@@jackbuendgen389he sure is! Funny how he gave Mathews a 4/5 on speed that shoot 15 FPS slow lol. Then “took into consideration they have 80% mods” and then gave them credit for an additional 4-5 fps. Hoyt has 80% Letoff on their cams. He never took that into consideration. Only for Mathews
@@connor_bohnts it’s a speed test! You can’t give 1 company a make belief additional 4 fps for Letoff and not do it for the other company in order to make 1 company look better. I own a VTM and a RX/8 and a V3X. I know all about the difference. Going from 80-85% on a Hoyt and you will not even notice it regarding DL. Mathews always measured 1/2 long but you never see him factor that in. The Mathews was very far off it’s IBO and should not get a 4/5. Not saying it’s a bad bow but he should be honest.
11 fps off while giving them the free 4fps even though the parts aren’t available should have been a 3 if you ask me. But it’s not my channel. I think it’s pretty clear that’s being extra generous when on any other bow you wouldn’t have finagled yourself into justifying the misrepresentation. Even with 4fps being given for a part that’s not available it was still outside of your 10 fps range but you gave them a free excuse by saying it’s still fast for the feel 😂 either be objective or don’t come up with a scoring system. That’s why people are mad. There is clearly some sort of difference between manufacturers or you would say the same things about Mathew’s that you critique on every other manufacturer
Love the payback troll job with the T shirts. Wore a Mathews shirt for the Hoyt release and not a Hoyt shirt for the Mathews release. This just screams MFJJ!!!!!!
@mountaineermaniac7005 Why is PSE close? They specifically list IBO on there bows? It's 5 grains per pound of draw weight UP TO 80#. Why do bows that are unavailable in 80# still show IBO speeds? Why does he crucify Prime for not coming close to their listed IBO speed? Why are they not gifted the same leeway as Mathews? ATA guidelines fall within IBO guidelines as well.
@@setharter IBO guidelines allow a maximum of 80lbs, so if other platforms don’t offer an 80lb option then they can’t test/publish those results at their maximum. You can still call it IBO, but your just not getting the most from what is allowed. Why they don’t publish their results as ATA instead? Probably because IBO is what everyone recognizes.
Mfjj I think alot of people agree. I really like how you rate bows and don't cater major bow companies you show and tell exactly how the bows no sugar coating going on. The bow is what is lol
LIFT 333 fps, Alpha X30 336 fps which is closer to their advertised speed of 344 and Mathews advertise as 348. You say everyone gets in here and hates on Mathews, they all make great bows just be equal with your numbers regardless of the design. Hoyt was off by 8 fps, Mathews was off by 15 fps. I do enjoy watching your reviews, but you do seem to be a little biased.
My God the amount of people saying "test it correctly at 80# 400 grain arrow" 🤦♂️🤦♂️. It's the same as 70# and 350 ffs. (Not including the draw length some mentioned)
Absolutely worse string angle I've ever seen on a bow. Riser is 29.75" tall and the cams roll in breaking the plane of the riser, limbs almost pointing at each other. Even someone shooting a 28" draw length is going to have a steep string angle. Have fun shooting a sling shot I guess.. 🤷♂️
Mathew’s grip is trash along with those zebra strings. I’m glad they finally listened and changed the strings, you’d think they would be smart and change the grip.
Thanks for doing these reviews. It would be super helpful if you had a list of all of your bow ratings on your website so everyone could go to one place to see all the bow ratings.
Now rates do nothing because most people that buy one is gonna leave a 5 star. If they don’t then they won’t review. Then additionally everyone is different in what feels good. Some people say the lift isn’t smooths I think it’s draw is smoother yet has a bit heavier feel than all others. To the point I ordered 80# mods because 70# mods was like butter coming back. I personally have never been a big fan everyone calling people fanboys though. Most people have never talked to people that’s a part of the company’s. Mathews is the only manufacturer that will make you feel like family while they brake it off inside you attempting to get you to buy a bow. Hoyt bowtech they don’t even use ky before they rape your wallet.
Mathews gets 2 thumbs down for the working man. They will loose sales on this 1400 dollar work of art. Times are tough and i doubt most hardworking archers are gonna think they have tonspend 2 to 300 dollars more this year more than ever considering. Inflation. I can afford this but will pass. Alot of other bows out there with a much better price tag for a string cams riser.
How so? Price only went up $30 over last year and my local shop doesn’t charge extra for the other colors. I do agree prices are ridiculous, but it’s all manufacturers these days. I blame carbon bow makers, they drove prices up and people bought them which tells manufacturers that they can creep aluminum prices up because they look to be a bargain.
You have a 4 out of 5 on speed because they advertised it faster and maybe I didn’t hear it but was that advertised speed with 80lb mods? So maybe they weren’t lying since you’re using 70lb mods?
You can't mark down for ATA and brace height if you didn't make sure the strings were to factory spec. Twist the String, Cables and yokes to stated factory spec, then check ATA and Brace height.
Another great review, thank you. I went back and watched your Phase 4 29 review. Phase 4 was 330 fps. Lift 29.5 is 333 fps. Not enough to move the needle for me, especially if the draw cycle is any stiffer than Phase 4. For me the upgrade decision will be about the weight savings versus my Phase 4. The lighter weight is very impressive.
This bow with tune-ability and features that Bowtech has would have been the craziest hunting bow to hit the market. The hype is cool and the lightness and speed sure but id almost sacrifice that to have the features and tune-ability to do myself without a whole press and draw board and shop. Only thing i hear is bowtechs servings and cables arent durable at all which is a little scary
The factory strings/cables on my Bowtech SS34 were garbage, the serving on the cables separated in just a few shots. I replaced them with Catfish Custom strings/cables and those have been perfect. Outside of the string/cable issue, my SS34 is easily the best bow I have shot in a very long time, and I have had all of the Hoyts, Mathews, etc. the past few years. The deadlock cam system on Bowtech is a feature that elevates Bowtech in a very big way.
@@huntsimple9527 see thats so annoying to hear seeing as it has all those amazing features yet you have to change strings and cables right away and cant even get away with the factory set for half a season or more. I just went with Catfish too for my older RX-1! Havent put them on yet because i got them little later than expected when the season already started here but i went with all flo orange Vec-99 set. Great guy and customer service. Helped me on the phone. Heard great things and i was between Catfish, A3, threadz, or twisted X and chose catfish due to the bloodline material he uses and better lead times
I’ll admit this may be the quietest bow on the market, which does make it a joy to shoot. The draw cycle is very linear, it feels like 70# all the way till it drops into the slot, whereas my pse tapers off towards the end. Not better just different. But With a 332.66 average fps I’ll keep my 4 yo evo nxt that’s rated at 329 and ACTUALLY shoots 329 at 30/70/350. At best I’d pick up 4-5 fps not worth the $1400 price tag imo.
Great job brother! I will agree that you do a great job on your reviews. I just got back from the shop and shot the Hoyts, Matthews, and the Bowtech. I hate to say that the Matthews felt the worse this year. Felt like they went backwards on draw cycle and vibration. Was disappointed, the other 2 were neck and neck. Looking forward to more reviews. Also thank you for being a fantastic retailer for my archery needs!
I think you really wanted to give this bow all the points you could. True average of those 3 shots was closer to 332, not 333. Even if you give it an imaginary 4fps, thats still well below your own benchmark of no less than 10fps slow. Have you ever given a bow extra speed in a review based on a hypothetical? Id be curious to see what it actually does at 80% letoff. Regardless, nice review and looks like a solid option!
Has nothing to do with that. IBO speed testing is not based on the criteria he is using. IBO speed tests are done with 80 lbs draw weight, 400 grain arrow, and there is no draw length max. So in my opinion it’s a fictional number for most of us. What he is testing against is ATA speeds. Mathews doesn’t publish the ATA speeds which is something that I don’t understand because everyone assumes that they are lying, they aren’t but what they are telling us is not a realistic setup for 99% of us.
Looks like Mathews addressed all of the things the keyboard warriors cry about when it comes to their bows, except for the grip for some reason. Def an impressive release. I bet shops aren't thrilled to need a whole other pile of mods to fit this bow vs previous models.
Ugggggg I like this guy and watch him all the time. I wish he would understand how mathews speed tests their bows!! They test IBO!!! Podium archer guy tests the bows at ACA specs!!!! Disagree with the tests mathews does but don’t call them liars and mark them down for not being close to your tests which are different than the way they tested…. I would think he would know!!!
I like the lift, went into the bow shop to see if the alpha x was different enough to justify retiring my vtm 31 and ended up walking out with a realtree lift. Those new cams and the weight did it for me.
Any chance of a rx8 vs a lift video maybe the alpha x. I just see this as the bows that are at the top and would be great to see what you think shooting them side by side.
I would love to see this as well. Seems like these are the two companies with most improvements/innovations this year and would love to see them head to head
Mathews does there Bows different on the speed test i was looking at the reveiw pj did up Lancaster and he was saying they test them at like 80 pounds with as long of draw as the Bow has, cant say i really like the way mathews does that there lol, but anyway seems like they have a winner here and that's saying alot coming from me since ive owed about every Bow out there but a Mathews.. lol... this Lift just might change that though..lol
My hoyt maxxis 31 only weighs 3.6- 3.7ish?? Very light. Its good to see mathews moving back towards this and still moving forward with speed , features, shootability. I’m going to have to shoot this bow( maybe the 33 too)
grip is ok, too thin for me still would give it a 4, its repeatable. the 33 balances doesn’t require any stabiliser for balance, issue when using a back bar find even with a 6inch with 1 ounce, the front 8 inch bar needs 3 ounces to balance the bow. its finky think i will drop the back bar and only frun a front. any suggestions on how to use an axcel landslyde through the bridge lock, i run out off right travel since the scope hits the travel screw. thanks
I really can’t decide if I like that riser. Part of me is saying it looks awesome. The other half of me can’t decide. For the first time in my life, I’m bi-curious. 😕
What test do you honestly recommend for this or the 33? I’m leaning towards the hamskea epsilon but I’m not sure if I want the extra cord running all the way down to the limb. Also would be epsilon work with the Mathews low pro quiver?
I think I may be the only person who did not like the lift. Although the price to own one may have soured me before I shot it. But to pay that much for a bow, then to get charged more on accessories to get the special "Mathews" brackets to be integrated.. Or now you need these bridge lock stabilizers instead that cost 3 times as much... its too much
See I want the 33, but the shop owner told me to go 29.5 and that even he will be taking it out west and his 33 will be for 3D. But then one of his employees was pushing the 33 because ultimately is 3.5in or 1.75 top and bottom really going to get in the way when in the tree and wouldn’t you rather have a more accurate and forgiving setup. I’m torn, may just save the money from going 29.5 and applying it towards the new QAD
@@MJswam4AU for the record, the 29.5 measured I believe at 29.75" for the riser length. My Mach 34 measures 29.5" for a riser length, and it's a 34" ATA bow, which holds and aims exceptionally well on target.
It’s fast but vibrants and jurks as the cam turns while the arrow is still on the string . Not smooth at all . This makes it hard to get a good grouping at .50 yards .
Adjustability is a 2 you have to buy other things to tune that bow or to change the draw length or to change the weight. But simply buying Mods to change the weight does a lot cheaper than buying limbs
You have to take it to a shop and buy additional parts. At that point it is not more adjustable than any other bow...you might as well buy multiple different bows to get that adjustability range. Still love it and it will probably be my new purchase, but I think that needs higher consideration.
Thank you for doing Honest reviews! This is a sweet looking rig! I have never owned a Mathews but have shot one a couple years ago and really liked it think this is the year I will make the change. I don’t know why so many people hate on Mathews haters gonna hate I guess
The reason people hate on Mathews isn't because they're bad bows, they're excellent. It's the "fandom ruins everything" mentality. Same reason a lot of people hate Glocks and Milwaukee tools. I like Mathews bows. I've shot a couple older models and liked them but I have two friends that have them and it doesn't matter what you shoot, if it's not a Mathews it's a POS and belongs in the trash. They've done enough innovation with this one to make me consider one for the first time, although the cost of the accessories still may have me leaning towards the Hoyt.
Dude i hear that. But you get what you want dont worry about the internet tribalism, that stuffs gay anyways. The accessory price really isnt that difference except the bridgelock stabilizer. Its about 100 bucks more, after you buy that youre done. I was going to buy an Alpha X but this Lift bow is ridiculous.
Hey Brother. Another awesome bow review for the best bow reviewer on the internet. I've always wanted a Mathews, but I can never afford one. And I won't be getting this one anytime soon. It is a badass bow for sure. Really appreciate you doing such in depth testing and holding the companies to their word. I'll see you on the 33" video.
Hello. Oh yeah. I totally agree. I'm looking at a couple of Mathews that are a couple years old. Where the person had 2 bows already, then upgraded. And are now selling their extra bow. I have 2 bows right now. A 2007 Diamond Triumph, that I bought in 2018, and I just bought a brand new 2022 Bear Legit at the beginning of this year. I'm now wishing I would have waited on the Bear purchase and saved for a better bow. It's a good bow, don't get me wrong, but it lacks alot of features that the flagship bows have. I'll get a flagship bow one day. I appreciate the advice. Thanks.
Sounds like another great bow from Mathews. Will be keeping my Phase 4. I shoot at 55 lbs nd 26 inch dl. Not going to get any significant speed increase with the Lift.
Exactly so spend your cash at the hair and nail salon. And that's an impressive draw weight for a woman. You must work out a ton. To bad there's not much of anything you can do being born so petite about your draw length. Nice to see woman so involved in the archery game. You go get emm girl !!
For years I've been in a situation, financially, to buy a new flagship bow, but never found anything significantly improved enough over my Heli-m to justify upgrading. Now that I changed jobs so I can go back to finish out a degree, and am broke as hell, Mathews drops this........... are you fuggin' serious Mathews.... 😐
My only comment back to Mathews engineers when they say “we can build an aluminum bow better than a carbon bow” is, “Wake up. The customer is asking for a carbon bow from Mathews. Carbon bows aren’t a fad. There are a LOT of customers who would LOVE to have a choice of a Mathews carbon bow. And you are telling them to go buy a Hoyt or Bow Tech or PSE or Elite.” I’m in sales, too. And one rule of thumb I always use is to ask myself “what would my competition think of this strategy?” So I ask you, what would Hoyt and the other carbon bow manufacturers think if Mathews came out with an incredible carbon bow? Would they be all happy, or would it give them heartburn and cold sweats? Yeah, I bet the latter, too. So come on! Let’s see your best carbon bow, Mathews! Carbon is just plain cool for a lot of us, and we know you can do it. Look at those carbon guitars you make. You’re basically telling the top of the market bow buyers, who couldn’t care less about a price difference, to pound sand. How is that a good business decision? Best of luck to you. Hope you offer me a carbon bow someday.
Few things 30” draw and 70 pounds is not ibo. Put in 80% left off and 80lb mods at max draw. There is your ibo setup. 30”-70# is ata speed test. It’s a mistaken assumption that thes bows ibo on 30-70 because that used to be the common top end. It’s no longer the truth. Ibo means max everywhere. I’ve personally had talks to companies directly about it. Aside from that it’s plenty fast. Grip gripe is from those that just simply can’t and I mean can’t shoot a rounded grip due to their own issue. It’s a easy and cheap fix all the way down to free. Just pull it off honestly or shoot side plates that mathews makes. I do not count points off for options available or if something is for sure offered through the manufacturer of a product. To each their own. I shot 3 bow techs today. 4 hoyts and the 29.5 mathews. I still know which on I bought and the bottomlands camo and granite limbs will be here in Marchish. But to end it ibo isn’t regulated, ata is so either everyone needs to advertise ata or everyone needs to learn that ibo is max effort from the bow. I’ll put money that at 80 lb and 80% max draw the bow hits 348 to 350
My Bowtech RPM 360 is the smoothest-drawing speed bow I have ever had the pleasure of owning. At 26.5" draw length (27" measured), 64#, it shoots my 385 grain arrows at 285 FPS. The draw cycle is smooth as all get-out, and the way I have it set up at 85% let-off, I can practically hold it forever.
Pretty wild to charge $1330 for an aluminum bow. Its cool though, they're stabilizers are $250 and so is the quiver. The differences year to year better start gerring bogger to justify those costs
I wish I could justify trading in my VXR 28 whitetail bow for this, but I just can't yet.. my draw length is at 29.5", the 28 ata is an aggressive af string angle but it works soooo damn well for slaying deer and it manuevers in the tree stand so well. I could trade in my target bow v3 31 @60#dw, but then I'd be giving up some ata and that doesn't make sense either! Someone give some input to change my mind here lol but my conclusion is that pretty much any mathews bow you're shooting is going to be hard to get ride of!!!
I'm getting rid of my vxr28. I bought that andN Obsession fx30 the same year. Keeping the fx30 gone is the vxr and the lift is filling its place. Last leaf ghost riser red cams red black twist strings 65lbs 28" 350grain arrow 324 fps from my fx30. Sick looking ,speeds and shootability I love my obsession fx30. That's what I hunted with this fall 2 doe and a small buck. I let my kid use the vxr28 last 2 years. But I think I'll be hunting with the lift next year !!
V3 was meh. Longer Ata gives you a smoother draw. Upgrade bro! Or find a mathews traverse out there if you like a little heavier bow. Traverse was one of the better ones in a long time without the switch mods it was a much smoother bow
Very sketchy to press these bows with that limb angle. I felt like this bow with the 80% mods had zero valley and a spongy back wall.....Anyone else have this experience or just me? Wish these videos had a creep test of some sort.
