So you are talking down reflex on this bow but PJ Riley did a video on this bow and it won a 2024 comparison against longer axle to axle bows. There is supposed to be something on the bow that recenters you and/or doesn’t allow you to torque the bow. They were getting good groups at okay distance for a short bow. I’d love you to add in some distance shots to your reviews!!!!
Would love to see a 2024 Bow review special. Think of it like a NFL gameday highlight reel. Going over each of the bows specs one at a time. Show FPS and then give the data for each bow. Then Vibrations, etc.
Have you researched limb angle much? You are harsh on reflex but don’t take into account how much forward facing limb angles counter torque. I completely agree longer risers are more stable, but at the same time if it takes a flat beyond parallel limb to get there you loose every ounce of benefit. Hence the reason most target bows have forward facing limb pockets with risers relatively short compared to over all axle to axle.
Yes, reflex doesn’t matter. When it comes to resisting torque about the axis of the grip, it’s all about brace height, limb design and cam design. The horizontal distance at full draw from where the string contacts the cam to the axis of the grip is the moment arm that is resisting torque. Grip pressure and torque is a variable in even the best archers. We are humans with a heart beat.
Great review even though I would say that some of your scoring seems to defeat the purpose of "measuring" to see if the bows measurements are according to factory stated specs. If you score based off of your opinion of the specs then why even measure for the specs in the first place? Other than that i enjoyed watching the video. Maybe somethings you can add is how stable the bow feels at full draw, like does it feel like it torques easy or does it feel like it just wants to float, etc. Maybe see how easy it groups at 40yds or so incomparison to other bows. These are just some ideas because at the end of the day, the question we all want to know is, why this bow and is it the one for me according to your thoughts and opinions. We want a practical take away which you somewhat already do, but if you can be more clear and intentional with your conclusion in being consistent with all your conclusion that would be most appreciated by im sure most if not everyone watching.
If a bow hits the advertise weight and draw and brace height, and other specs, I don’t see why it wouldn’t get all fives. I don’t care about your opinion anymore than you care about mine, but you are starting to gain a large following I believe because of your truth telling. It would be nice to award bow companies for their truth, whether you like the specs or not. As soon as you start giving marks for opinions more than truth, on the advertised specs you become just another, RU-vid quiver sniffer with a camera. I believe you’re having success on here because of your honesty not just your opinion. So whether you like it or not truth is truth.
I just realized that after watching the video through again a second time. It seems to defeat the purpose of measuring to see if the bow matches the factory specs given if MFJJ is just going to give it 1 less point bc it's not ideal to making a bow more accurate. I'm still a fan of who he is and what he does though lol. Just a bit confused and disappointed with giving the score according to his opinion which is fine I'd say for other features but when it comes to specs, if a bow hits those specs according to what it states it is, it should be given full credit.
Guys he has to sell Mathew’s bows first. They have different dealer rules than other companies. They have to buy a certain amount upfront so they need to sell those to not lose money. Then it’s a large entrance fee ( around 30k) to become a dealer and if they don’t sell a certain amount of bows they lose their Mathew’s dealership. This is why his reviews, along with other guys reviews, have heavy bias towards mathews. So he will down play other companies bows with subjective stuff to make Mathew’s look better.
This bow destroys Mathew's nonsense of "specific modules provide better performance across all draw lenghts". Mathews uses mods because loves selling 180 spare parts to shops, and that's all...
Thank you for doing these reviews.. what I like about your reviews is they are honest you tell it like it is.. and I respect that cause that's a good trait but unfortunately one you don't see much anymore.. lol
Pj Riley says that about every bow he shoots. He has never gave anything a negative review. This guy is just giving his opinion, sorry he didn’t say your bow was the most amazing thing he’s ever seen.
I don’t understand all the haters of the reviews. He gives you the numbers so you can decide what’s important to you. The scores are just his opinion of what he likes to see in a bow. I like that I can find an apples to apples comparison of most of the major manufacturers in one place.
I think the issue is that he is kind of haphazard and inconsistent in how he scores different bows...sometimes it almost seems like he is trying to put his thumb on the scale...more likely he is just winging it and isn't trying to be an engineer about it and doesn't really care if he isn't totally consistent. Which is fine after you figure that out and it is still good information and entertaining.
It might get the Hog nod... Shorter axles stay out of the saw grass in the salt marsh. Bow hunters do more than just "Out West" / "tree stand" or saddle. I hunt hogs from the ground on foot. All you do is walk... or wade. The whole time you wish your bow was lighter and shorter. Like a kid on X mas with the Podium Archery reviews. Thanks!
Same here, 99% of my hunting is jogging through the woods in the dark and then having to take shots in horrible lighting conditions on targets that never stop moving.
The number on vibration right after shot was 6 twice and 8 and jumped when you moved. I’m not saying that because I love pse I shoot a prime but was just noticing that.
I find it humorous that the Mathews intentionally attempts to address vibration and with their rubber sandwich limbs, and fail to produce the best results in that category. Thanks for the honest reviews. Ever consider a way to measure riser flex?
I'm currently shooting a Phase 4 33. I'm looking to go more compact. You going with a Lift and switching over accessories or is the extra price of the Mach 30 worth it? Keep hearing how this bow 'floats' on target. Any comment on that?
Alexa turned on the bedroom light and woke me up at 5:20 AM. I checked and saw that this video was posted two hours ago. I wonder if Alexa knew this video was there and wanted me to see it. He's reviewing at a marathon pace. Wow!
So "currently" there is only the 34" and 30" MACH, how do you feel an in between size would fair in comparison to this 30"? I don't think I want to go up to a 34" for myself, and hope something in between comes out. Thoughts? (Enjoyed meeting you at the TAC in Colorado last year, "Florida Boys".)
Hey Josh! I trust your opinion and wanted to ask a question about your review. You made some comments about the extreme reflex on this bow for good reason. But the PSE marketing material makes a point of the “Full Draw Stability” system, and says something about the string angle at full draw on this bow being equal to the string angle of longer ATA bows. I’ve also heard your comments on the fireside chats with Tim about how the exit angle of a string from the cam at full draw contributes to positive or negative shooting characteristics. So two questions: first, is this marketing claim true? Does this bow indeed have a string exit angle, or whatever you call it, that is more desirable than you’d expect from a 30” ATA bow with 3” of reflex? And 2. If so, how are they achieving this? Appreciate your time, thanks! I’m considering this bow really seriously, because surprise surprise, my RX-7 isn’t tuning and I’m tired of the 1990’s , which is where my bow’s tuning system seems to be stuck.🤣
i shot bowtech for years now been shoot hoyt for years-looks to me that bow is the best hunting carbon bow ever made -its light, fast ,low vibe, so very quiet , usa made, hits all the specs and if you get the other fast cam its a 350fps beast it just needs true yokes cant stand that kind of yoke shit
What! how can you give them a 4 on brace height if it matched what the specs were? same with riser length ? are you giving points based on what you think or based on how factual what they advertised was? I know this is my personal opinion but i feel if a brace height and ATA match exactly as they advertise it that should be an instant 5 , you cant fault a bow for personal opinions. With that being said i do HIGHLY respect you and very much enjoy your content, thanks for what you do.
Agreed. It's like folks that go online to review an expensive leading brand product and they say " wow, this was great, it did everything better than the competition" and then they give it a score of 3 out of 5, because the product the elected to buy is perceived as being "expensive". I'm getting a little off topic but I think cost should NOT be factor into aggregate review scores. Offer an opinion of value as a complete separate score that is NOT aggregated with performance scores. Again, not saying Podium is doing that...but I see it too often including by another archery reviewer - who also seems like a great and very well meaning guy doing good work - just don't aggregate cost score with performance score. We aren't monkeys. I think. LOL.
So in 18 years bows have only gained close to 15fps? We were shooting 215-225 in the 90's @70lb and 5gpp. I thought more gains would happen in that amount of time.
Come on, giving a 4 for a 30" length that is 30 inches, giving a 4 for a 6 1/8 brace that is 6 1/8. I thought you were reviewing the bow not what you want!
Yeah his style of measurement is wrong, simply doesn't make sense to reference the frontal area of the pocket instead of the rocket area Just take what MFJJ 😀
@@liamboyle9199It doesn’t make sense to measure any reflex geometry from any point as it pertains to full draw resistance to hand torque about the axis of the grip. Draw the free body diagram and do a static analysis at full draw and you’ll see why riser reflex is a pointless measurement. An easy way to see this is to pull back a newer Mathews and compare it to any high reflex, long limb, non parallel limb bow of the past. I have a V3 that incurs much more angular deflection during hand torque at full draw than my older Martins and it has nothing to do with reflex measurement. It’s all about brace height and the rearward horizontal travel of the tangent point of the string to the cam. Or in the case of a Mathews hunting bow, the forward horizontal travel due to its cam and limb design.
Overseas carbon manufacturing is sketchy. Hopefully the bow industry learns from the bike industry and actually QCs their tolerances. Glad to heat that PSE is doing that here in the US.
The PSE got marked down on ATA because in his opinion he wanted to see that number higher. Gave the Mathews 29.5 a top score on ATA because their specs matched his measurements. 🤷♂️
Bow is 30 inches, measured at 30 inches and you you marked it down because you think it should have been made in a longer. Smh. Tell me you’re a PSE hater without telling me you’re a PSE hater.
We need a video where you shoot deflexed vs reflexed. I’d bet the bows geared toward hunting you can’t shoot the difference. Some I’d even bet past 60 you won’t even see a big enough difference to justify your incessant need to point out reflex.
$2k for a bow?? It’s all bullshit hype every year. Got a bowtech experience in 2013 all setup for $600 and it still shoots fast and accurate. Would not change it.
So a bow is advertised as a 30" ATA bow.. It measures at a 30" ATA... So you give it a 4.. because you dont like short bows. Thats retarded. It gets a 5 of 5 on ATA because it hits the advertised specs. Speed- this is closet to hitting its advertised speed than any other bow tested this year... and thats on MJFF's slow arse chrono... I dont like the reflex either. But are we scoring bows on what they like? Or whether or not they are hitting advertised specs? Josh jumps around like a leap frog- Why try to use specific measurable standards for scoring when you factor in your likes and dislikes into some categories that are supposed to be measurable and graded on accuracy? Why not just tell us your opinion and throw out standards.
And it had same numbers as the Mathew's on vibration, yet the Mathew's got a 5 and the PSE got a 4. For someone that doesn't favor Mathew's, sure tries pretty damn hard to make them shine
@@user-eo9uj7hd9v this guy can be biased sometimes thats why I dont take this review very seriously. Also I tested this bow speed and got 339 fps. Same with PJ from lancaster (338). He makes decent reviews i like him but he needs to stop being biased
Well what do you know another bow with a longer brace and a published speed that is under the MATHEWS LIFT but coming in faster. The MATHEWS fanboy lightest fastest bow ever made is complete BS
If a bow comes to you right on the specs then it should get top scores! You shouldn’t grade bows based on your subjective thoughts, i.e. stability or long range accuracy based on reflex!? That’s hogwash, shoot the bows at 40 or 60 yards and then decide! Bias is evident in your reviews, watch them back yourself and you’ll see. Just give us the honest numbers, most of us watch your videos and can pick up your bias and sometimes subjective off the wall grading criteria!?
