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2024 Mazda MX-5 Miata vs Toyota GR86 Comparison / Modern Icons Clash! 

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If you're looking for a pure four-wheeled experience (roof optional), and you don't have trust fund money, your options are quite limited. Today, I'll drive the two cars that fit that description, but which one is the best? Other competitors to consider include the Toyota GR Corolla, Honda Civic SI & Type R, Subaru BR-Z, VW GTI, Hyundai Elantra N and a long list of other, more versatile vehicles.
Thank you, Royal South Toyota, for letting me test drive the GR86 used in today's review!
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Thank you, Midwest Automotive Media Association, for letting me drive another GR86 and MX-5 on track/autocross!
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@sunnyvalentino
@sunnyvalentino 14 дней назад
I have driven both these cars. You cant go wrong with either, but here are a few similarities and differences from my perspective. 1. They are the two best drivers cars on the market. Period. They are the top two cars for backroads. 2. They are among the top 10 drivers cars (backroads, not track monsters) ever made. 3. The 86 is heavier but you get a lot more practicality and it can be a one car solution for a single person or couple. 4. The 86 is much more track ready off the shelf esp with the Performance Pack. The MX5 will need coilovers so add another $1500 plus (and install) on a car thats already more expensive 5. The 86 has more torque and easier to slide around 6. The MX5 has much better driver inputs - steering feel, shifter, clutch, brakes, throttle responsiveness and mapping 7. The MX5 is likely more reliable long term 8. The fuel consumption of MX5 is much better 9. The MX5 does feel a fair bit more agile, BUT, the 86 is second only to that car 10. The MX5 feels like its made with higher quality parts and interior (more premium)
@sshah2545
@sshah2545 14 дней назад
Goddamn, WELL said! This is the comment that could supersede every comparison on RU-vid. The BR86Z is really just the 2nd to none, except for the Miata, car. And in exchange for that small additional bit it weight, which costs you agility and dynamics, the twins are far more usable as a single solution. That is the cars secret weapon. Miata is ALWAYS the answer, unless you simply don’t have an option and don’t have access to a 2nd vehicle.
@Realistick
@Realistick 14 дней назад
I agree with everything HOWEVER, from what I’ve found, the MX-5 goes for less money than the GR and I don’t think a suspension upgrade is necessary unless you’re going to track the car (then 100%)!
@sunnyvalentino
@sunnyvalentino 14 дней назад
@sshah2545 haha. Appreciate it. I'm a car nut and driver feel fetishist lol.
@sunnyvalentino
@sunnyvalentino 14 дней назад
@Realistick agreed. However, spec for spec MX5 is pricey, esp with the ND3 price bump. GR86 PP is about 34k, MX5 Club with Brembo package about 38K. I call it the convertible premium but the MX5 does feel more premium. Eitherway I voted with my wallet and a club ND3 with BBR is on order for me and should be arriving in July. Its going to better than the 2006 S2000 CR that I almost bought new haha. Esp once I put some MCS coilovers and race exhaust.
@JacesOwnWorld
@JacesOwnWorld 14 дней назад
🤣🤣
@chasepoorman1887
@chasepoorman1887 14 дней назад
Just bought a Trueno edition GR86, spectacular fun factor so far, my cousin got an mx5 at the same time. Fair eval of the pros and cons, there is no wrong answer with either car imo
@mondragonmsaul308
@mondragonmsaul308 4 дня назад
I have a 2.0 gr Supra and I get hyped seeing any gr car the trueno edition is dope af imo I didn’t really like the 1st gen but the second gen is awesome imo
@tyrantrex734
@tyrantrex734 3 дня назад
I'm sorry you wasted money on a 2.0 Supra. Could have saved over $10k and gotten a base GR86 w/ "performance package" that has Brembo brakes, SACHS dampers, and 18in wheels.
@mondragonmsaul308
@mondragonmsaul308 2 дня назад
@@tyrantrex734 naw not a waste it’s my daily I don’t need all that I don’t go to the track also everyone else loves the car too if i was worried about saving 10k I would have went with something more practical like the new Prius and if I didn’t care how much I spent I would have went with the 3.0
@EchoSigma6
@EchoSigma6 11 дней назад
I own a 16 year old Mazda Miata with 190k miles on the odometer with no issues. Both cars are excellent, we should all be grateful that these are available in this day of crossovers and automatics, won’t mention electrification. Enjoy the road!
@PC-240
@PC-240 14 дней назад
Best car channel when it comes to describing the minute subjective and objective details of the characteristics and feel of these cool cars. And thank u for not saying every aspect of these popular cars are perfect or amazing. After watching your reviews, I feel like I just got done test driving and now I’m ready to make a purchase hahaha
@Realistick
@Realistick 14 дней назад
Thank you, that’s my first goal with each review/comparison!
@riknasty9470
@riknasty9470 14 дней назад
I own a miata, and it also has more of a wow factor. Since i bought it in December, I've had multiple people calling out compliments just while driving down the road. You feel like you're in an exotic car even tho i got a fully loaded 2021 with 25000 miles for $25k
@Realistick
@Realistick 14 дней назад
I had a similar experience too! Of the cars I have tested, only the Lexus LC500 convertible got more compliments than the MX-5.
@JacesOwnWorld
@JacesOwnWorld 14 дней назад
Take your Miata fanboy’ism out of it, and then explain to me how a Miata has more “WOW” factor over a GR86/BRZ lol.
@adrianesteves3260
@adrianesteves3260 14 дней назад
@@JacesOwnWorldthis is very easy, just drop the top. Can’t say that from a gr86 or brz
@ledf2012
@ledf2012 14 дней назад
@@JacesOwnWorld for most people who's not super into cars, the miata would probably have more wow factor
@ilpuntodigf
@ilpuntodigf 14 дней назад
Do you have a soft yop or an RF?
@youmongrel
@youmongrel 13 дней назад
Being able to put the top down on a beautiful day or warm night more than makes up for any shortcomings in this comparison. It simply flips a switch in your brain, performance stops even mattering, and might as well be like having two different cars in one.
@mattd7902
@mattd7902 14 дней назад
Really great comparo! Enjoy the detail you provide to really get at the subtle differences
@Realistick
@Realistick 14 дней назад
I appreciate that, thanks for watching!
@artblackwood7936
@artblackwood7936 14 дней назад
Personally I like the looks of the Mazda a little more. I own a BRZ and love it. 2 origami kayaks and gear fit in there and my daughter and I have a blast. My wife and daughter, both on the small side, can be passengers. A fourth would be impossible. There is also plenty of aftermarket stuff available for the GR86/BRZ. Both are great.
@dodgingcones
@dodgingcones 12 дней назад
I own both. If fun was the only consideration and I could only have one, it would be the miata.
@genzigzag
@genzigzag 14 дней назад
Great comparison! Opinions on styling is subjective, the GR looks sporty and the MX-5 looks that way also, but adds a uniqueness that makes it standout.
@slottedpig2253
@slottedpig2253 13 дней назад
I hope we get a future update on which of these cars you choose to purchase if you do so. Great content!
@Realistick
@Realistick 13 дней назад
Thank you! I’ll have a whole series on this topic🤠
@vlj1133
@vlj1133 14 дней назад
Holy crap, that was a great comparison review. In terms of sheer thoroughness that manages to touch on nearly everything a potential buyer would want to know, I think I can now say with confidence that you're the best reviewer out there, bar none. Some people cover the hard data, specs, and flashy tech very comprehensively. Others tend to eschew all that, figuring their viewers can read a brochure on their own, and they focus primarily on the intangibles, the overall impressions, how a car feels. You combine those two approaches better than anyone. savagegeese come close, but even they aren't as thorough overall as you are, and they're definitely not as consistently thorough. Sometimes they tend to mail it in, relatively speaking. You never fail to give full effort in every review. It's like Michael Jordan once explained late in his career, when asked why he still gives such maniacal effort every time he steps on the court... "Every night, I know there will be someone in that arena who is seeing me play for the first time. I won't give them anythng less than my best."
@Realistick
@Realistick 13 дней назад
Thank you, I’m glad the effort doesn’t go unnoticed!
@vlj1133
@vlj1133 14 дней назад
Compared to the MX-5 the Toyobaru twins not only return far inferior fuel mileage, they're also saddled by Subaru and Toyota with a recommendation for 93-octane Premium, whereas Mazda only recommends 91 for the MX-5. For a lot of people that's not a problem, but California and many other states don't offer 93-octane fuel. According to Subaru and Toyota, yes, the motor will run safely on lower octanes, but at the cost of reduced power, lower fuel mileage, and occasional knocking and pinging. That's largely why I ended up getting another MX-5 instead of the GR86 I was allocated, and it's also why I ended up getting the 91-octane Type R over the 93-octane Type S. There were other reasons as well, obviously, but in the case of the GR86 that was the primary one, since I'm in California. Otherwise, yep, except for the crappy fuel mileage the GR86 is the slightly faster, flatter cornering car that makes for a better daily driver, while the Miata-assuming one can fit in it-is the better built, more engaging and fun niche vehicle with a much nicer interior. Betwen the two, the Miata feels far more "special." There is quite a bit more sense of occasion with the MX-5, and that feeling never wears off. Plus, it's a true convertible, which renders moot any comparisons between the MX-5 and anything with a fixed roof. The open-air aspect of the extremely lightweight and tossable MX-5 absolutely changes the equation, making for an entirely more satisfying and immersive experience. Get a Miata out on a perfect coastal road, or ripping around up in the forest, or cruising through a starlit desert at night...there is simply no comparison. You savor the difference, and fully appreciate where your hard-earned money went.
@markir9
@markir9 12 дней назад
If you want a convertible, the MX5 is clearly the one to go for. However I now own a BRZ, I used to have an MX5 convertible - would not buy one again as got the top knifed twice by people trying to steal it. I would consider the MX5 RF as it solves that problem to a large extent, but no good for me as I cannot fit in it (whereas I can get into the BRZ ok). Re driving, the BRZ feels like a go kart, which is awesome, pretty harsh ride quality (2012 BRZ with HKS suspension note), but lots of fun factor.
@rickprime83
@rickprime83 7 дней назад
Me and my lil bro are both into JDM's since childhood. He always liked the Miata and now has an MX-5 and I like the AE86 and got myself the GR86. I'm 41 and he's 36, we both have no families so we had the option get them as our daily drivers. WE love your cars.
@saviordream
@saviordream 10 дней назад
I owned a 2018 BRZ and a 2020 MX-5. I've also driven the new generation GR86. But when it came time for me to buy a new weekend fun car this year I ended up going back to a 2024 MX-5. Ordered a Club soft top with the BBR package at the end of January and picked it up about a month ago. Both are great choices, and I don't think you could go wrong with either. For me it came down to the fact that I didn't need the extra practicality of the GR86, as this is just a weekend toy for me, and I was looking for fun more than anything. The MX-5 is enjoyable at any speeds, whether just cruising around or attacking a backroad, and the open top nature of the car just adds to the experience.
@Unchainedmaple888
@Unchainedmaple888 14 дней назад
Being a GR86 owner with extensive experience behind the wheel of my friend's ND2 Miata RF, I will fully admit that the Miata is more fun. However, I needed the practicality of the GR86 as it's my only car and the GR86 came in that gorgeous Neptune Blue while the Miata is stuck with boring colors. If I had something like a CX-30 as a daily driver, I definitely would've gone with the Miata though. My main complaint about the Miata was that the speedometer is pretty much unreadable because everything is so scrunched together, you're never gonna go 160 mph in a Miata. The Miata has a digital screen in the instrument cluster but for some reason Mazda never put a digital speedometer there.
@bobreno4042
@bobreno4042 14 дней назад
Mazda’s Soul Red may be the best automotive red ever. MHO
@Unchainedmaple888
@Unchainedmaple888 13 дней назад
@@bobreno4042 Yeah but I'm more of a bright blue person. I can appreciate soul red but red just isn't my thing and it's also the color that triggers cops the most lol
@Indifference2000
@Indifference2000 13 дней назад
Interesting take on the colors. I feel Toyota should have made more colors available for gr86. Even the Camry comes with nicer color options
@richboy900
@richboy900 13 дней назад
The eternal blue is very nice colour, esp with cream interior 👌
@markir9
@markir9 12 дней назад
I've got a similar complaint about the 86/BRZ (I've got a 2012 BRZ) - analogue speedo going to 260 Km/h is...optimistic (even with a HKS supercharger kit fitted) and hard to read. Fortunately it has a digital speed readout in the rev counter so I only need to look at that.
@normaninsandiego7061
@normaninsandiego7061 14 дней назад
Both cars look fun to drive.
@aaronkim3856
@aaronkim3856 14 дней назад
cool video :)
@stephenbacks3100
@stephenbacks3100 10 дней назад
I’ve been daily driving a 2018 Miata GT for 4 years, and I still love it. Manual transmission is a must. I’m surprised how many people don’t know what it is. I live in the land of exotic cars (South Florida), yet the Miata feels like it’s not class dependent. I’ve even seen the valet park it right next to the Ferraris and Rolls Royces at the local mall (yes, they shop there too).
@infinati
@infinati 8 дней назад
Test drove both a month ago. The GR86 had me grinning. The Miata not as much. Was offered the GR86 below dealer invoice. The Miata was several thousands of dollar more than the Toyota . Got the GR86. Was a no brainer.
@Jake-im2lv
@Jake-im2lv 9 дней назад
The RF is incredibly handsome, gets ridiculously good fuel economy even when driven in town and revved out, economy is unreal on smooth highway driving, and every trip is fun. Plus the small fuel tank is cheap to fill up.
@nintense1
@nintense1 14 дней назад
Great two options for most fun per $. For CA weather the Miata is a clear winner, as most of the year it’s not too hot or too cold or too humid for open-air. If you live in less ideal weather, I’d pick the 86 if I forced to own only one car.
@MrThewetsheep
@MrThewetsheep 13 дней назад
The 86 back seats aren’t as useless as everyone makes them out to be. I’ve taken adults on ~20 minute trips across town just need to scoot your seat up a bit. You’re not going on a road trip and you’re not getting someone that’s 6’5” back there but for most normal sized people it works in a pinch
@Realistick
@Realistick 13 дней назад
I couldn’t think of putting anyone behind me, if I was like 6 inches shorter, maybe… in a pinch if i pushed myself to the dashboard! It’s more convenient than not having them. But I get why folks would call them useless.
@markir9
@markir9 12 дней назад
Agreed, not too bad for children but in particular great space for dogs!
@SebasH008
@SebasH008 12 дней назад
Back seat are 100% useless for anyone more than 10 yo
@mengx94
@mengx94 10 дней назад
86 is the superior car for Uber purposes
@lazarushernandez5827
@lazarushernandez5827 4 дня назад
The rule for the back seat with cars like this is 3 people max, and the person in the back seat sits sideways.
@jerrysedars8097
@jerrysedars8097 7 дней назад
I own a Miata RF 6-speed manual. It’s fabulous! In my opinion it’s the best sports car for the money.
@JustMe-pc2ii
@JustMe-pc2ii 12 дней назад
Here in the Northeast both cars are seasonal therefore as a weekend driver twenty weeks/year Miata gets my vote.
@dannyphamous
@dannyphamous 13 дней назад
Great review! In 2024, the miata is 530 to 465lbs lighter. 2024 GR86 is 2,811 to 2,868lbs 2024 MX-5 is 2,341 to 2,403lbs In Japan, the lightest miata is the 990S Special Edition: 2,182lbs (1.5L engine). Bought my miata in 2020 when they only had the 1st gen 86. The 2nd gen would have been tempting with the improved linear engine. I'm still happy with my miata's weight, fun, and mpgs (35mpg work commute).
@dannyhimmel4273
@dannyhimmel4273 12 дней назад
In Canada, the MX5 costs about 15% more than the BRZ (the Subaru badged GR86). I needed a daily and it was a no brainer to get the BRZ over the Miata in a climate that has snow. I would love to own an MX5, but I can’t afford a car that I can’t drive in the winter.
@bennyang8049
@bennyang8049 13 дней назад
I have a 2005 mini cooper s convertible. I wanted to get the mx-5 soft top. However i was greatly surprised how much more significant road and wind noise there is in the mx-5. I think because even with my 18 year old roadster, the convertible top in my mini is multi-layer or have some sort of insulation material. As for road noise, I couldn’t pin point where the amount of noise is coming from. I even swapped the wheels and tires (same 4x100 bolt pattern) and did not matter. Makes me think if my mini has more insulation. I think i will go to the gr86 instead
@stevemartegani
@stevemartegani 14 дней назад
Glad you mentioned the Dual vs Direct injection thing, hadn't thought about that with the Miata.
@vipermoon_
@vipermoon_ 14 дней назад
Mazda designed the skyactiv engine to have quite hot intake valve temps for this reason. Drive it hard every once in a while, it doesn't get too bad
@mihan5660
@mihan5660 3 дня назад
I get 29 mpg combined in my manual brz (according to the gauge). The epa tests have always underrated the manuals i've had
@dlg5485
@dlg5485 13 дней назад
I've driven both of these cars many times and here's what I think... As an only car, the the 86 wins simply because it's more practical. However, as a 2nd car, which is the case for me, the Miata wins hands down because you get similar performance and feedback as the 86, but you also get a more sophisticated design, better overall build quality, and the open top experience, which takes it to another level. I strongly prefer the Miata overall, which is why I just purchased a ND3 Miata GT MT soft top. I've had it for 3 days and I've already done 300 miles. I look for any excuse I can dream up to go for a drive. This car is pure bliss on 4 wheels. I'm not a kid anymore so I really like its grown up styling and excellent long term reliability. Looking forward to owning this car for decades to come. That said, if I could only own one vehicle, I would have purchased a BRZ, not a GR86, because I prefer its more understated design and I hate how greedy Toyota has become and their dealership experience is rage inducing.
@AcoAegis
@AcoAegis 12 дней назад
I second that. I've been shopping around, and the Toyota dealership wanted me to BUY a GR 86 without test driving it. Subaru just scheduled a test drive, no brainer. I'm pretty sold on a club soft top Miata though. Never thought I'd be into a convertible.
@Eelgnotsa
@Eelgnotsa 12 дней назад
I have ordered a black club with the BBS Brembo package. I am a month into my four month wait… I have wanted one since 2016. I sprung for it this year because they may go hybrid next year and I want nothing to do with batteries as of yet. I currently have a 93 twin Turbo RX seven. I’ve had five Mazda in between including two Mazda speed prodigy CX 30 CX three and now MX five I’ve had great service with Mazda.. I will get mine delivered around my birthday and it’s probably be one of the best presents. I’ve gotten myself in years.
@dlg5485
@dlg5485 11 дней назад
@@Eelgnotsa The 5th gen Miata will be a mild hybrid. It's already been confirmed by Mazda. I think it'll still be an amazing car, with a lot more power than the current model, but that's just not what I want personally. The Miata has never been about power. It's just about pure driving engagement, which doesn't require a ton of power. I love having a car that I can almost fully utilize on public roads without being reckless.
@mengx94
@mengx94 10 дней назад
This just in: miata owner prefers miata 😂
@dlg5485
@dlg5485 10 дней назад
@@mengx94 Stupid comment
@A861967
@A861967 11 дней назад
Yep 86 is the best all rounder ❤ performance is better too for every day use and weekend buzz 😎
@libonation
@libonation 13 дней назад
A soft top variant of GR86 / roadster might’ve prevented me from buying my Miata. But wanted something different than the current wrx and the smiles per gallon could not be so different!
@AcoAegis
@AcoAegis 13 дней назад
I think this video covered it really well, and I can see why people would like the GR-86 now. For me, it always felt very fake, but the reason for that is that I'm looking for constant engagement and fun, no matter the situation. But that's what I'M looking for, and other people aren't. Most people just want to get to work as easily and low effort as possible, and have fun when they want to have fun, not be forced to. A GR-86 looks like it can do that flawlessly. That's just not what I'm looking for, and it's that ability for it to just be a normal car that made it feel half baked to me. I do want to add something to the ND mx-5 experience, which for me is a downside: a lot of non-car people assume it's an exotic sports car. I'm not looking for attention, so it's been annoying on occasion. The gr-86 or brz, it's just a car to most people, and that's kind of a plus in my opinion. Only car people will really notice it.
@Bmontepeque11
@Bmontepeque11 12 дней назад
These two are the very best sports cars on sale full stop. Both, the GR 86 and MX-5 are incredibly fun and which one do you prefer? It depends on your taste :) But either option you have one of the best cars ever made. To me, the sports car market that actually excite me so much as to say I love them resumes to these two, 911 GT3 and 911 S/T, that's it. Edit: Oh, and my choice between these two is the GR 86, but I love them both! Your video came just in time since just Yesterday I was thinking about how awesome these two are :) You described them very well while going straight to the point: Interior, Driving Experience, Reliability. I loved that!
@jasondixon9095
@jasondixon9095 14 дней назад
MX5 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@josecontreras-d6x
@josecontreras-d6x Час назад
Just sold my ND Miata GT today for a whopping 9k and I already miss it
@dystopia-usa
@dystopia-usa 14 дней назад
I like the Mazda MX-5 (RF version) over the GR86/BRZ, & it is the more mature/elegant of the two. Most of the color choices for the MX-5 though are pretty sad & drab IMO. Unbelievable that we can't buy a new one in Polymetal Gray Metallic (blue-gray color), as that is one of Mazda's best colors.
@markcoopers1930
@markcoopers1930 9 дней назад
My Mazda3 is that. And while I like it, I'd rather they do a green, or a brighter blue. Yellow would be wild, or even a brighter take on Acura's Phantom Violet Pearl would im sure be excellent
@VARider1
@VARider1 13 дней назад
Hardtop sports cars can be found in all price ranges. Wouldn't consider a low-powered hardtop like the GR86 with the Supra being a better sport car for additional money. The only convertible for the price and fun is hands down the MX-5! Miata is always the answer 🙂.
@Realistick
@Realistick 13 дней назад
Not below $40k! The Supra is out of most folks’ price range. But agreed on the MX-5!
@Mat-S86
@Mat-S86 3 дня назад
I got GR86 , it was a very difficult decision for me between GR86 and Miata, I chose GR 86 for a few reasons. 1- Its engine is more powerful than Miatas, Miata is like a fast city car not sports car IMO, whereas GR86 is a proper entry level sports car. 2- GR86 has stronger character, it looks unique, its dashboard is unique, even some of its advantages and disadvantages are unique,whereas Miata looks like a standard Japanese car, when you look at it you feel like it's just another cool Japanese car whereas GR86 is GR86. 3- GR86 looks sharper and resembles other more expensive Sports cars(Lotus,Alpine,Aston Martin...etc) whereas Mazda looks more like a fun/cool city car. 4- Last but not least I love Toyota, my last two cars were Toyota Aygo and Toyota Aygo X, I have good relationship with Toyota dealers and Toyota finance so finding a brand new GR86 and getting the part Exchange with my Aygo X and new finance deal sorted was fairly easy, even though GR86 has very limited availibility in the UK and it's dificult to find a new GR86 (Unlike Miata which has unlimited availability in the UK).
@mikemayers8672
@mikemayers8672 7 дней назад
If 86 came in a convertible it would win in every category. As of now it wins as a drivers sports car
@nathanmaxtro1
@nathanmaxtro1 10 дней назад
As a single guy with only one car, my GR86 works perfect for me. I would have been stuck several times if I had a Miata for a daily. Having a back seat is very important if only just for cargo. The driving is of course fantastic. The changes I made were to turn off the fake engine noise and put in a 10" sub in the trunk. The poor MPG is the only thing I don't like about the car.
@redtiger7268
@redtiger7268 9 дней назад
I drove a Pontiac GXP Solstice for years as my only driver. Loved that car, very hard when I had to sell it.
@Bodangers
@Bodangers 3 дня назад
I get 28mpg in my brz
@wackit6756
@wackit6756 14 дней назад
Purchased an MX5 as a second car 6 months ago and couldn’t be happier. I looked at the GR86 and couldn’t understand why a lightweight car like that only gets 20 MPG city with most people getting 18-20 in the city. (So I’m talking about City MPG’s). I usually get 30-34 mpg in the Miata. I know gas mileage isn’t the primary reason for buying these cars, but still….The other thing that bothered me was the stick shift was so unnecessarily high which I found cumbersome and odd. Do you have any input as to why, for both of these traits? 💁‍♂️
@Realistick
@Realistick 14 дней назад
I think the gear lever being high is to make it closer to the steering wheel (which is a bit high in the GR86), I don’t really know how Subaru made the 2.4l so inefficient though. Flat 4s aren’t known for sipping fuel but they’re usually frugal in Subarus. Congrats on the MX-5!
@boldcitycc
@boldcitycc 14 дней назад
You must have to redline it in every gear to get 17 . I drive 20 miles to work every day. 5 is surface streets 15 is interstate. I average 30
@StackBundle
@StackBundle 13 дней назад
The mpg figures given by Toyota must be estimates or something. From what I read it seems like most people average around 28-32.
@markcoopers1930
@markcoopers1930 13 дней назад
My lifetime average on my manual Miata is currently 33.2, and that's me actively trying to rev it out and even taking it in-town for chores. My friends see that and don't believe I'm driving... enthusiastically.... enough. Getting 38-42 on the highway is just all too common
@janmichaellao1091
@janmichaellao1091 10 дней назад
Because 86 is more faster and more powerful
@MindIsLikeFullMoonInFall
@MindIsLikeFullMoonInFall 5 дней назад
It feels like GR86 is more like for racing, if I want just a car some chill fun rides, will the Miata be better?
@Realistick
@Realistick 5 дней назад
Pretty much!
@frederickbrown8154
@frederickbrown8154 14 дней назад
The Mazda mx-5 all day long! Looks so much better than the GR86.
@TacSprint
@TacSprint 14 дней назад
Lmao it looks like a toy. The GR86 looks way better.
@tyrantrex734
@tyrantrex734 3 дня назад
I can fit 2 people, 2 golf bags, and enough luggage for a week long trip in my 2024 GR86. That is what I wanted in a sports car and I GOT IT. The Miata is fun, but otherwise useless.
@giggiity
@giggiity 10 дней назад
I wish dealers on the east coasts weren't so greedy. The lowest I found was $2,500 over MSRP for base with $2,000 of dealer addons. heartbreaking for a young car enthusiast
@markcoopers1930
@markcoopers1930 9 дней назад
If you're talking about the Miata many Northeast dealers will sell at MSRP. 86 I saw 3-5k markups but that was back in 2022 and I would have thought they would have calmed down.
@giggiity
@giggiity 9 дней назад
@@markcoopers1930 I’m talking about the GR86, I’m in the market for one but can’t find a dealer willing to sell a base for MSRP. I’m not a fan of the Subaru front end and the Miata is way too small for a daily. I’m going from a truck to a 2dr so the GR86 space is a must.
@lazarushernandez5827
@lazarushernandez5827 4 дня назад
@@giggiity Consider buying from a dealer that has the price you like, and make the road trip back home.
@KidNato
@KidNato 13 дней назад
Only thing you get with the Toyobaru over MX5 is more storage. If storage is that important to you then you probably should not be looking at sportscars
@Navoii.
@Navoii. 11 дней назад
I really wish the GR86 had a convertible variant
@glyw
@glyw 14 дней назад
I got a nd3 miata rf, love the car. Zero practicality
@markcoopers1930
@markcoopers1930 13 дней назад
I've gone grocery shopping and doing day to day chores in it every weekend that it's not raining, and I went this morning in the rain anyway. Also for a small cooler, 2 folding chairs, and a travel bag for a two-day weekend trip for two in the trunk (backpack by the passengers' feet. The only time I had to switch recently was to deliver a corner shelf along with grocery shopping and returnables and dropping off some clothes at goodwill. And tbh I think if I rolled the windows down to protect it, and strapped it in with the seatbelt and another tie down, and managed to find a tad bit of self control, I could have used it then too. Although I think the soft top has ever so slightly larger of a trunk
@boost331
@boost331 9 дней назад
Wild card..... The BRZ is better on road than the GR86. The suspension is tuned more for comfort and handling rather than stiffness and tail swinging like the toyota. About 20k HARD miles on my BRZ. Lots of mods and track time. The RTV\oil fear is irrational and over played.
@Realistick
@Realistick 9 дней назад
Good to hear from someone who tracks one! I definitely think the RTV fear is irrational but i get why the oil starvation from sloshing is scary. Even if it’s not a guarantee that you’ll cook the engine, it is a design flaw that I hope subie addresses!
@boost331
@boost331 9 дней назад
​@@RealistickIts a flat engine thing. This is nothing new. The same condition has then present in every Subaru engine ever. Porsche knows all about it also That's why they use a dry sump oil system.
@Realistick
@Realistick 9 дней назад
@@boost331Agreed, the boxer is definitely more susceptible to it, but the new BRZ/86 is worse than the previous gen when it comes to oil starvation. People have put oil sensors in their engines to prove it when trying to find a fix. The new WRX actually doesn’t have the same oiling system and doesn’t struggle with it as much either from what I’ve read.
@boost331
@boost331 9 дней назад
@@Realistick With my decades of subaru ownership, the info that I have gathered is that it is not an oil pumping issue, it is related to oil getting trapped in the heads and not returning to the pan fast enough. My theory as to why it seems more prevalent in the new BRZ is because it is the model that gets tracked the most. There aren't really that many WRX owners out on road courses. When there is, they dont pull the same kind of Gs that the BRZs do and the engines dont rev nearly as high. The biggest contributor to the problem is the recommended oil weight IMO. 0W20 simply isnt enough protection with such low oil pressure and high RPM. Toss in 5w30 or 0w40 and the issue basically disappears.
@janmichaellao1091
@janmichaellao1091 10 дней назад
Gr86/brz looks more elegant and sportier than mx5 plus more power
@stms4411
@stms4411 14 дней назад
I own both. If fun were the only consideration and I could only have one, it would be the gr86
@oemj7147
@oemj7147 14 дней назад
You like rev hang, clunky drivetrain and more weight? I traded my ND2 for a GR86 just to get to experience both and while I still like the GR, there is no comparison especially in terms of fun. The Miata is way, way more fun to drive.
@TacSprint
@TacSprint 14 дней назад
​@@oemj7147the Miata looks stupid.
@ak740_
@ak740_ 14 дней назад
@@oemj7147 You like excessive body roll, a terrible exhaust note and the looks of a teenage girls car? The gr86 is faster, looks nicer and handles better. Easy choice. The Miata has a nicer interior and that’s the only benefit
@oemj7147
@oemj7147 14 дней назад
@@ak740_ The body roll is a feature on the Miata, not a downside. It's all about making the car feel fun in regular everyday driving, not only on the track. Put a set of ohlins on it and would absolutely destroy any GR86 on the track. Sure, the GR86 has a little stiffer suspension from the factory which gives it a little advantage on the track stock vs stock but it's also a very sterile experience as a day to day driver. If feels a lot like a regular commuter car when not pushed at the limit. I think you might be joking about the exhaust note since the Miata definitely sounds better than the GR86. In fact I cannot get over of how bad the powertrain on the Gr86 is. At low RPM it sounds like a tractor with the clunky transmission and the pronounced ticking noise from the engine. I don't think I've ever seen a teenage girl in a Miata but I've seen plenty of them in the 86/BRZ twins. I know I've received a lot more compliments on the looks on my ND2 vs the GR86 I own now.
@josephpalack1440
@josephpalack1440 14 дней назад
@@oemj7147the 86 is very soft actually. It sits low because of the boxer engine, not because of a stiff, low suspension. The rear end is also very playful without being punishing. You can feel it kick out just slightly when you take a turn at low speed, but it always remains under control. Anyone who says it feels like a commuter car just hasn’t really driven it. It always feels special driving it and I’d argue it’s the best driving Japanese coupe since the DC2 Integra type R.
@antoniolopez2322
@antoniolopez2322 14 дней назад
I would happily own both, but if I had to pay for a GR86 and a MX5 I´d just buy an Alpine. Lighter than a MX5 and quite faster than a GR86. And much more fun to drive. A review please?
@vipermoon_
@vipermoon_ 14 дней назад
Can't get an Alpine in North America
@antoniolopez2322
@antoniolopez2322 13 дней назад
@@vipermoon_ Ah, ok didn´t know. I´d take the MX5 then 😅
@MiataND3
@MiataND3 14 дней назад
Miata is more FUN! I traded my GR86 for ND3 and I don't miss the subaru...😅
@citrusjuicebox
@citrusjuicebox 13 дней назад
One more similarity: the automatic transmission in both cars are the same
@LoveLikeaHurricane
@LoveLikeaHurricane 11 дней назад
The GR86 might blow up from just autocross.... so there is that. The car really needs a new engine.
@drewhinners8793
@drewhinners8793 13 дней назад
6 second 0-60 on the miata with an awful launch. Sheesh, there was more wheel spin in that launch than necessary.
@Realistick
@Realistick 13 дней назад
I tried a gentle launch on my first run, much worse result. If it bogs down at all, you’re cooked when you have a low torque motor! At high DA, I’m happy, online Stigs can have their own opinion🤠
@weroliera
@weroliera 13 дней назад
Mazda and Subaru. Annoying gr86 get so much praise as a Toyota and then the Supra gets hate as bmw. Car community sucks for this. lol
@mikemayers8672
@mikemayers8672 7 дней назад
Toyota owns Subaru
@876yuugt
@876yuugt 13 дней назад
MX5 coupe is the answer we never got.
@bobjohnson6131
@bobjohnson6131 5 дней назад
Eh I find the Miata ugly…man I miss when cars were sexy like rx7, the old Miata, s2k.
@bobby3914
@bobby3914 14 дней назад
Mx-5 for me gr86 looks like a poor man's z.
@TacSprint
@TacSprint 14 дней назад
Terrible take lmao the Miata looks like a toy
@bobby3914
@bobby3914 14 дней назад
Is a beautiful looking toy timeless design 10years old, gr86 will look like 💩 in 5 years.
@l4ndz3r
@l4ndz3r 13 дней назад
yeah and cheap design and feel to inside too its like outdated poormans sportscar too many plastic inside 😂😂😂
@19hundoc47
@19hundoc47 13 дней назад
Miata looks like a child’s power wheels
@l4ndz3r
@l4ndz3r 13 дней назад
@@19hundoc47 very cheap taste huh🤣
@z32luvr
@z32luvr 13 дней назад
S2000 enters the chat.
@markcoopers1930
@markcoopers1930 13 дней назад
S2000 left the chat in 2009
@z32luvr
@z32luvr 13 дней назад
@@markcoopers1930 true but it still is better than both of these.
@ak740_
@ak740_ 12 дней назад
@@z32luvr in terms of what. The gr86 is faster and has faster lap times. Not to mention the gr86 can actually be bought new and not with 100K miles
@z32luvr
@z32luvr 12 дней назад
@@ak740_ better in every way except practicality. More raw, visceral, better suspension, better engine, better transmission, better interior, better design and more reliable. You can find them with low miles all day for around the same price.
@youdidntbuildthat47
@youdidntbuildthat47 14 дней назад
I love your sarcasm and would love to see your comparison between Trump and Biden.
@l4ndz3r
@l4ndz3r 13 дней назад
lol toyota sponsored video... ill pick miata anyday... bias sponsored blogging 😅
@hiduck228
@hiduck228 12 дней назад
He literally concluded in favour of the miata, what are you smoking bro
@Jmoneyy365
@Jmoneyy365 13 дней назад
The Miata sounds terrible
@ak740_
@ak740_ 14 дней назад
Nobody will tell you how amazing a Miata is more than Miata fanatics lol. The superior sports car is the 86. No comparison. I have a 718 GTS 4.0 and wouldn’t go near a Miata with a 10 foot pole.
@mikemayers8672
@mikemayers8672 7 дней назад
Miata is fun for an average driver. 86 is a sports car
@Mx5pro
@Mx5pro 14 дней назад
Just buy both fucking cars or buy 1 and lease one
@19hundoc47
@19hundoc47 13 дней назад
Miata looks like a child’s power wheels and it has the most wussy name of all time.
@brucesuitt993
@brucesuitt993 13 дней назад
Stick to your muscle cars then bro
@hillbillysportsman5818
@hillbillysportsman5818 13 дней назад
Miata is German … it means Reward
@mumwifeteacher
@mumwifeteacher 13 дней назад
It should be illegal to buy ether of these cars unless your physically handicapped.
@sadladd
@sadladd 13 дней назад
mad you popped a baby out too soon with someone you don’t truly love and you’re stuck driving a minivan eh?
@ordonezelvin
@ordonezelvin 7 дней назад
@@sadladd😂
@abumdzafarsadeque9167
@abumdzafarsadeque9167 14 дней назад
Mazda Miata doesn't look good. it looks like a kid's toy and not a serious sports car. GR86 looks so good. I would buy it over Miata everyday.
@Electronica27
@Electronica27 14 дней назад
I agree.... but that rtv riddled head gasket eating boxer is what's stopping me. If those problems weren't a thing I would own one now. But otherwise I'll be considering a miata nd.
@l4ndz3r
@l4ndz3r 13 дней назад
it looks cheap though inside and out🤮🤮🤮
@19hundoc47
@19hundoc47 13 дней назад
@@l4ndz3rso does your mom
@calebwany8422
@calebwany8422 13 дней назад
and it does all that unapologetically, that's why it's so successful and the better of the 2
@blink182izawsm
@blink182izawsm 13 дней назад
Toyota is ugly inside and out
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