2024 NFL Draft Discussion with the Athletic's Dane Brugler | PFF NFL Show 

PFF is having their own Top 30 visits this week 🔥

Top Golf discussion is the best content you've made in a while

How I’d love to be a fly on the wall during the Wentz Goff alpha-off

First Simms, who is the man, then Sullivan, now Brugler. You guys are killing it with the collabs!

"We are not going to discuss quarter backs" 😂😂😂😂 40mins top golf alpha qb test. Loved it tho

Sam's 100% right that Vince Young wins the Top Golf experiment by a landslide

Loved the Alpha talk, but Its definitely Matt Leinart

re: Brock Bowers. "As a GM, you better trust your play caller to use a guy like this", yet many including Brugler himself are mocking him to the Jets

top golf experiement doesn't work in 2017 when everyone loves Trubisky and Watson and makes fun of Mahomes for sounding like kermit

this discussion was super interesting

Having all 30 visits the like last week all together sounds like an absolute nightmare.

The problem with the Top Golf test is this: Do you need the guy who they gravitate to when they've just met and haven't spent a lot of time together, or the guy who they'll follow for years? First impressions are big, but they're not everything.

Is that E from Entourage 😂

In my head canon, ben johnson heard this top golf plan and immediately took his name out of consideration

The vast majority of assistant coaches ARE better soldiers than generals. That's a demonstrable fact. Which only suggests that Bill was more important to the success of the team than head coaches who have assistants who succeed as head coaches.

30 visits don’t count for prospects that are considered“local” by the NFL through either college or high school. For the Chicago Bears a “local” college is Notre Dame

When I heard about Washington's evil plan, I 100% wanted to hear you guys take on it. You did not disappoint!

Michael Penix Jr. would definitely win the Top Golf experiment.

Dane is the best… glad yall had him on

I have been saying that McCarthy might go ahead of Maye or Daniels and now we have the 100% accurate Alpha Top Golf test confirming it.

Do the Elway, Marino draft.

the Top Golf Alpha Test (TGAT) works very well and always has been the go-to mindset of the non-quantitative community. It's also why executives of a certain age never could see leaders of a certain shade of melanin, since they hadn't seen such representation to base an alpha profiling off of. They ign'ant! LOL But now we have a better sense of what plays and what doesn't in locker rooms and see leaders across race pretty easily, having been given decades of representation to base opinion off of. Caleb, Daniels, Penix, JJ, Drake, Nix, Milton, Spencer, Pratt is the TGAT rankings I have for '24.

The test needs to be called Top Alpha Golf

Austin Gayle over Renner in the Alpha test ? Are you out of your mind? Renner runs away with that thing, unless Cris counts.

TBF to Drake re Sam Howell, the dude was like a freshman to his senior at UNC. THAT'S why. They have a big bro - lil bro relationship that would not work as a backup dynamic.

i tend to side with steve in the controversial arguments… sam won the majority of the top golf debates

Caught the Seinfeld reference Steve

Bro Vince Young wins the all decade Top Golf game..

I used to love Brugler’s draft guide. I haven’t been able to get it since a subscription to the Athletic became mandatory in order to get one. Such an unfair policy.

2018 topgolf experiment would have had Baker as consensus number 1 by a MILE

It's well known in the corporate world that the worst way to hire people is by personal interview. It's not opinion - it's bee studied. Picking by how guys appear to act would be no better than random.

Top Golf Alpha Test tells you what percentage of their talent they'll use, basically. Like Tebow would outperform expectations, predicted by high TGAT. VY, too. Jason Campbell too. It might not make them the best, but means unlike a Leinart or Leaf, you'll see their talents able to be applied to an NFL offense. It's a factor, not a formula.

I just wanna know who Steve was calling a back stabber😂

I've been saying all draft season that this class is crazy close to the 2021 class in makeup and that we might be able to looked to the 2021 draft order vs the Consensus board to potentially predict this draft a bit. Also as a Washington fan, I'm REALLY hoping Sam is right about JJ winning the Alpha comp. To me, JJ is the perfect Goldilocks QB in this draft. His sample size is the only thing keeping him from being my QB1. He does the important things coaches want, like playing within structure, executing a Pro-Style offense at a winning level, and avoiding sacks BETTER than the Top 3 "High Potential" playmakers. While also, as the youngest QB, still being a BETTER off-schedule playmaker, with higher-end flashes, than the polished guys. Who used the Van Wilder method of sticking around 5/6 years until their experience carried them against college comp. Even though I'm not a "Wins" as a QB stat guy, I think how good that Michigan team, as a whole is, is vastly overrated, After JJ we likely don't see another Michigan offensive player go until the 3rd and might only see 4 off that championship offense go in the whole draft, along with about the same off the defense. Compare that to Georgia where everybody BUT the QBs were 1st/2nd round caliber players and I think that paints a picture of what JJ did for that team. He wasn't putting up numbers, but was money on 3rd downs & played Sunday-type football every game. I feel way better about JJ from a gut, comp level too. Caleb is a lot like Kyler, but with a scary amount of that Johnny Maziel Arsonist Firefighter thing going on, where a lot of the good is just him fixing the problems he caused . Drake is like Daniel Jones with SOME of Josh Allen's upside, but ALL of his flaws, possibly slightly magnified. Jayden is like Baylor RG3, if it took him a 5th year to break out, Penix is like Tua meets Geno and Nix is like Kenny Pickett imitating Alex Smith. Because of Michigan's offense, I think it's way easier to see JJ's potential. He can execute the offense, hit all the slants, curls, outs, and digs in time, rhythm, and on schedule like Kirk Cousins, and I know it's a bold statement, but on top of that, when stuff breaks down or the team needs a play he has that athleticism and balls to crank it up from Cousins to Rodgers. Like a more athletic, higher ceiling, younger Brock Purdy, with plenty of room for development. If Harbaugh didn't have such a well-oiled machine,, and JJ wasn't so efficient at running it, he could have possibly raised his stock by putting out the fires he started like Caleb, Drake & Jayden, but he did his job and won games and I want that guy as my QB. So again, I hope he out Alpha'd everyone at Top Golf, I hope Adam Peters sees the same, if we could get NE to swap up for Drake or Jayden in exchange for 35 even better.

I'd love to see the Bears trade back a bit and get either Murphy or Newton, and then trade up a bit to get Kneeland.

Good QBs that wouldn't have won the top golf challenge: Justin Herbert, Jared Goff, Brock Perdy, CJ Stroud? Kirk Cousins, Jordan Love.

This guy looks exactly like JB long on the thumbnail

Big Goofy would win the alpha test at PFF

Alpha test winners of the last 20 years 2024: J.J. McCarthy 2023: C.J. Stroud 2022: Sam Howell 2021: Trevor Lawrence 2020: Joe Burrow 2019: Kyler Murray 2018: Lamar Jackson 2017: Deshaun Watson 2016: Jared Goff 2015: Jameis Winston 2014: Jimmy Garoppolo 2013: Geno Smith 2012: Andrew Luck 2011: Cam Newton 2010: Colt McCoy 2009: Matthew Stafford 2008: Matt Ryan 2007: Kevin Kolb 2006: Jay Cutler 2005: Alex Smith

Dane---great work BUT requiring a password that does not work is TERRIBLE when someone has already paid The Athletic. Why do you need a password. Haven't you been paid by The Beast?

So washington is taking 30 visit strategies from the bachelorette.

Professor Big Goofy teaches PFF 101

Two complete opposite ends of the quality spectrum with guests, going from the bottomless depth that is Simms to the peak of the mountain with Dane.

Btw the alpha test would be dominated by Caleb. 2nd I think is drake Maye. Nobody else IMO is even the best player on their own team

Okay the Top 30 Golf thing is so stupid. You guys are looking at this with the benefit of seeing the personalities of the guys who won the most in the NFL! Who says Easton Stick or Hackenburg or whoever wouldn't have been the most charismatic guys in the room? We never got see their personalities because they never had the kind of success where we got to see them in interviews!

Commanders brought in 20 players yesterday not 30 bro

Way to get a pick of him from when he was 19 😅

Jajaja pumas jersey. Que grande

Didn't Dwayne Haskins out-alpha Burrow?

Rivers was better than Eli? Maybe in the regular season, what did rivers do in the postseason? Eli outplayed the goat QB+coach combo who had a perfect undefeated record until they met Eli and the NYG in the playoffs. Preposterous Steve, I’m disappointed in your QB assessment

I always chuckle when evaluators equate “freaky athleticism” with the ability to move from an edge role to a MIKE role, as Brugler did with Turner. Playing off-ball has more to do with instincts, block shedding, and recognition in coverage and against the run than athletic profile. See TJ Edwards lol.

Sounds like Billy B dodged a bullet if all this shit came out. Dirty birds always stayin dirty 😂😂

Came for analysis and got bs

Matty ice 🧊

I'd prefer Fautanu to Alt, considering the Bears QB is going to be 6'1", and Fautanu's versatility being able to play all 5 positions on the OL. Fautanu almost guarantees the Bears can put their best 5 on the OL, even in the event of an injury.

I think the safe choice for my Chicago Bears are to either take Nabers or Alt (if they fall), or trade down. That said, you might have heard of another safe choice, Fabric by Gerber Life is good insurance for your family. 😁

2minutes in: “We’re not going to spend a ton of time talking about Quarterbacks” … 😭

Sam’s Alpha test is maybe the silliest thing i have ever listened to when i have seen people try to evaluate talent

Dane says he wants his work to be available to everybody yet has zero regard for those who are "hard of reading."

PFF NFL Podcast, 100% plagiarizing a Bill Simmons idea/column, his imaginary idea to determine the most alpha quarterback was who would you throw the car keys to, and this alpa-ness represented at least 50%of what was required to be a quarterback. Those that know, know. Mind you this article probably came out at least 15 years ago and probably can't be found, but this is definitely plagiarism. Thanks for the great content even if it is "stolen" from someone else.

Rome Odunze to the Jets between 10 and 15

It is not digestible with a password that does not work. I assume you do not know the problem because I hate to think you are a liar.

Steve is a little out of touch with the culture. Nobody is Vince young’s class was touching him with the age group of his potential teammates

Blah, blah, blah. The Draft clearly takes too long to come around. It should be earlier to cut out all of the waffle lol. If it were, the media could really get into the actual selections, rather than the dragged out speculation.

If I’m going to that Commanders Top Golf shit show I’m acting like a Beta so they don’t draft me.

I hate this talk of this top golf alpha talk. Tons of these guys could be alphas that the meetings but sucked on the football field. Its all hindsight. U also get that alpha mentality by being good.

“Draft fatigue” has officially set In on this channel. Finding the “Alfa male” at a top golf is a hilarious premise. 30 kids sorry.. young adults at a fuckin top golf. I can’t blame you guys for that but bald guy I don’t know your name sorry I’m sorry.. your analysis of this was what? Idk bc your co host bailed you out when your “point” became oblivious. A Lord of the fly’s reference dropped like what you were saying was so profound lol.This wasn’t food for thought nor did it distinguish its self from everyone else that will post their opinion. I’m running out of room but I love the channel But this one was a miss bc of open ended points that are just out of touch with reality

It’s surprising how much pseudoscience is used by these billion dollar companies use to assess multi-million dollar athletes. Reminds me of the “ugly girlfriend” comment in Money Ball.

There’s a slight hint of racism in these alpha assumptions