It’s like Nissan has been plodding around tuner car forums like some teenager with no sense of how car valuations work. They slap a few spicy stickers on it, bump the power a little… and then think it’s suddenly worth an extra $15,000.
If Nissan doesn't hard lock the ECU like Toyota/BMW did with the Supra, Nissa is good. I bought my VA STi with that tuning road block in mind. I liked a lot of what the Supra offered, I was not a fan of having to mail order my car's ECU to a forgin (at the time) country just to tune my car. The tuning crowd isn't just teenagers. I grew up with imports in the late 90s to early 2000s. BTW throwing a supercharger on a V8 needs tuning. Every car that's ever been made fast has needed tuning to make real gains from the mods. Guess you've never seen a dyno after modding a car before. Enjoy yelling at the sky buddy.
Renault group are living in the Covid heydays still. Like they said, nobody is buying this for $70K when there are much, much better cars at or around that price.
@@Michigan_Spyglasses Yeah, that's all BMW - BMW tuners have been dealing with that s**t for nearly 20 years now - not that Toyota aren't guilty too - but BMW engine, BMW ECU, and BMW ethos.
@@danmayberry1185have you ever driven one? I’ve driven this nismo and got back in my m sport x3 with the suspension msport dampers and drove the mountains in Napa and thought… this suv shouldn’t feel so close to that z… that’s my real life take with real life experience with both vehicles.
That’s ridiculously expensive wow. Some god cop bad cop in this one. James really trying to be invited to the next Nissan reveal and Thomas calling a spade a spade. Love it.
@@SrKinko because nobody is genuinely stupid enough to buy one at the prices they’re asking… Dustin Williams sold his FBO Proto Z for $41,000!! He said nobody wanted to buy it, not even dealers, he had to sell it at a carmax.
I had planned to buy a 2024 Z. I have purchased 3 different Nissan Models in the past, so I would call myself loyal….until now. The Z prices are too high, the financing to buy is also high but to lease is stupidly high. My credit is 800+ and Nissan tried to get me to lease at MSRP with an equivalent Money Factor at 12% APR. So I went Mustang GT 5.0 Premium with Recaros, Brembos, & Performance Package. I guess Nissan doesn’t want to sell cars or retain loyal customers. I watched this review, seeing if I had made a mistake going with the Mustang over the Z. I got my answer, which is I made the right decision by going Mustang.
@@Xi-op7gg Still under 100k US which when your above 70-75k USD your in the 70-100k price range that 10-15k isnt really ever a difference maker for people buying a 70k sports car 15k more on the loan is jackshit
@@h3ck774 Might be different in the US. The GTR is a much rarer car in Canada because we just don’t have as many people. A slightly used Z is half the price of a EBA GTR. New GTR prices have skyrocketed the last couple of years, so anything 2017+ is holding value very well.
To be fair, who buys a Z and leaves it stock? That's like buying a muscle car and leaving it stock. The issue to me with this car is that it's way too expensive. The issues with this car can easily be fixed with the aftermarket, but at this price of a car, you would want it to start out cheaper so you have money left over for the aftermarket.
@@raneer_6567if I'm spending almost 70k on a car i shouldnt feel the NEED to upgrade stuff on it for at least a few years considering its already an upgraded version of another car
11:23 the humor, the technical expertise, the test track and lap times, topped off with fantastic cinematography and sound 🔥 better car coverage does not exist! Thank you team TH, don’t ever stop.
Wrong! Jason Cammisa’s videos are better, but only in aesthetic and music value, which is subjective. This is still amazingly high quality for a married couple team, and the fact that they seem to actually get along is great. I’m glad Canada allows same-sex marriage, otherwise we wouldn’t have these two guys.
@@vpanday1977jason can get a little corny at times with his german impersonation and his goofy acting on screen sometimes but i would say as far as youtube automotive content it’s really only Hagerty and TH by a mile
I still have yet to see a Z, and I really thought the base one would be enough of a deal to do well, but I’ve seen way more Toyota supras which if I’m not mistaken is more expensive.
I'm a certified Nissan "dude". Had everything from original z cars to Maximas...my avatar is my turbocharged Sentra SE-R making almost 500hp. I was ALL about the Nismo Z and waited for it to hit the streets. When I walked into the dealership, sitting there was "my" car. White with black/red accents Nismo. I was in love. The salesman walked up and I said "I'll take it, what's sticker?" He said $72,XXX.00 + dealer markup, doc fees etc. The blood went out of my face and I said something like "I've owned and raced Nissans for 35 years. If you think for one second I'm that stupid or willing to spend what used to be R35 money for a Z you're as crazy as the people who priced this thing. Good luck selling it. Call me when it's a leftover and you're trying to dump it to clear inventory...." I walked out shaking my head wondering what planet I landed on. It's on the old (Granted updated.) 370z chassis, borrowed the engine that's already developed and produced for the Infiniti Q50/60...Where's the expense unique to this car pushing the price that high? WTF Nissan!
you are the exact kind of customer a car company should strive to never lose, yet they did so quickly. i am baffled that 72k wasnt even the out the door sticker; that there was yet more fees on top of that. insane.
Nissan dealerships are among the worst there is. Theyre very slimy and love to play games. I actually had a sales manager tried locking me on his office after test driving a 370z when those first came out. I told him I wasn't interested and he pretty much said I had to buy it because they let me test drive it. I finally told him I was going to call the cops for kidnapping if he didn't let me leave, and he backed off real quick after that. I was overjoyed when that dealership went bankrupt in 2009.
What Nissan should do: A $30k FR, with 250hp called Silvia. A $40k Z with as much NA hp as they can squeeze out of that V6. A $50k stripped out, track focused NA version called Nismo. And a $60k, 500 plus HP twin turbo. All of them with a manual option. What they actually do….
it's 2024, there simply will not be any truly cheap sports cars anymore. Even the gt86 cost 25,600 at release back in 2012 which, adjusted for inflation, is roughly 35k today. Modern cars also have a ton more legislation and safety systems that they have to take into account - all of which bumps the price up. You are delusional if you think there is a genuine opportunity for car manufacturers to make a profit doing the R&D, designing and building a $30k two seater sports car today. Cars aren't an extension of the average person's personality anymore. Most people want an appliance that gets them from point A to point B and the less they have to interact with it, the better.
@@slothpatronus2704 I said $30k not $40k so don't put words in my mouth to try and make your point. Even now, $40k is definitely not "truly cheap" and the lack of demand is bringing prices down on lot of things back down. Just saying "adjusted for inflation" and paying whatever is totally unreasonable and a terrible financial decision to boot. I bought my 2017 BRZ Performance new for $25k , which was way below MSRP, because like now, demand was very low in 2017. I was test driving Camaro SS 1LE's for $34K at the time, which was $12k below msrp. Nothing has changed with regards to technology, safety, legislation, performance, or anything else since then other than price inflation. You are acting as if I was comparing this turd of an overpriced Nissan to a 69 Camaro lol
Although I don't agree that the Nismo Z looks better than the Supra, because I'm stubborn and an MkV enthusiast, the updated look on the Nismo does look incredible. That rear end looks amazing, and I already thought the rear on the non Nismo looked great.
Aesthetics are subjective but i personally think the new supra looks like what a 13 year old thinkd a sports car should look like. Looks aside I think the supra is a better car though
Yep. I cant imagine spending Dark Horse money to get beat by a previous gen Mustang GT 😬😬😬 and then theres the base z getting smoked by the gr86 with half the hp lol
Nissan is so, so good at making sports cars...that are amazing deals later. The VQ/VR engines are so good for modification, and the older platforms have SO much aftermarket support; you guys nailed it with the "three owners" of the original video. Brand new, there's just way too much competition. Few years (or more) down the line, and it becomes a LOT more compelling as a platform to add power, stiffness, grip, etc.
VR30 is old already. and the Q60 looks way better than this and has AWD. they could have made a new NA platform for this Z in the 350hp range. or a single turbo.
It's hard to make that argument when no one is buying them new. I mean, what sort of used stock can you expect in 5-10 years if no one is buying these things now? At that point, every example that comes up for sale will have been garage-kept, original tires, less than 10k km/mi, etc, etc.
@@redlion145 oh yeah you are right. usually with the infinitis luxury people with bad credit buy them new but those ppl can get benz/bmw now bc they approve anyone these days. and the prior Zs sold super well too. these nissan zs will not be everywhere in 10 years like the VQs are
This is the car that finally got people looking at Nissan again with an interested eye! And they completely blew it by charging 20k more than the previous generation..
I drove the new Z when it came out and I really wanted it to be good. I owned a 76 280z and a 79 280zx and love the looks of this new Z. Unfortunately that’s where the love stops for me. It drives more like a GT car than a sports car. I will stick with the old Z’s.
If I had unlimited money, I'd buy one, RB swap it with a 6speed manual, then drift it round Nissans HQ with a sign on top saying, "this is so what you should have done"
Had an Infiniti G37x. Man I really miss it. Should have kept it. Everything worked. For those who don't know, it's nearly the same engine as the Nissan 370Z. But stretched out with 4 doors, so you can roll with friends. It's the more adult and super luxury Z. All leather everywhere. The entire dash would move automatically for easy ingress and egress!! Most cars still don't have that. That alone really spoiled me for all future "regular" cars. Mine was a rarity. The x at the end means something very kewl. Rear biased, ALL WHEEL DRIVE. Crazy good grip for a SEDAN. No snow tires required. If I found a clean one again, I'd get another. That was the last great Nissan/Infiniti engine! Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
When did you sell that? Been daily driving a '13 G37xS sedan since Oct 2016. Factory forged Enkei 18's for the Winter, flow formed Enkei 19's (Raijin) for the rest of the year up here in Eastern ON, Canada. 203K km on the clock, aFe drop-in filters, Q300 exhaust, never use the paddles, rusted out subframes but no squeaks or rattles whatsoever, Krown treatment every year, frame rails still baked in Krown oil. Engine & trans still as they were in 2016.
@@jacquesc3166 Mine was a 2010. Sold in 2016 with only 75k on the odometer. It was red. I had an aftermarket Nismo spoiler. Had it specially fabricated to fit the G37x. It looked like it came factory stock with that spoiler! The fab guy did a great job. But it was a magnet for cops & tickets. Just stood out too much. Car guys would always come up and talk to me everywhere!
2013 Infiniti g37x was and is still one of the best infinitis ever made, it was the last one with a German suspension and was competing with the bmw 3 series at the time. Had one and it got totaled about a year ago, the new infinitis aren’t the same as it. That was a perfect sports sedan that handled great.
You’d think that by recycling an old platform they’d be able to keep these nismos at $48k. It’d be an amazing car at $48k with a manual option. …but $60k+… As a previous Z owner, this doesn’t properly scratch the itch I’ve had. Supra isn’t doing it either. Maybe the next MR2? Can Mitsubishi or Mazda enter the chat again?
I dont know man, I love Z’s and love this thing, even if it’s not the best. I hope Nissan proves everyone wrong and updates this with performance thats undeniable. So much heritage in the Z name.
Can confirm they are discounting these, at least in Alberta. Some have been sitting since winter and with the lower profits that Nissan dealers are making the discounts will only increase.
Historical the Z has never been the logical performance bargain.... It's exactly what it always has been and if you buy one and love it. Kudos. Let's hope Nissan doesn't track your driving habits and deny your warranty if you blow up for exceeding the speed limit
They tried to deny people on the 2003 lemon synchros. They did that for over a year before they were forced to fix them. Let’s not pretend this is a new issue.
I can remember shopping for a 240 Z back in the early 70s. They weren’t 66, they weren’t 36, they were 3.6. And quite a bit nicer looking too I would say.
absolutely. the base is just terrible. not worth 50k. at least the mustang has a v8 and a few options for 50k. Q60 S awd is literally a better AWD version of this Z.
the performance is 48k where i am. and its so barebones it kinda sucks. would take an m240i or mustang or a pay a lil more for a Supra. the q60 awd is also alot better than this Z
@@ISLAMICSTORIES13I've seen them (Performance) already listed for 39 to 41k used with under 1k miles on the odometer lol. Nissan USA has the Performance listed at 52k for starting price. Is that a dealer level discount or used in your area for 48K?
They nailed the back end, with the stop lights and the shape of the trunk and so on! The front though, no so much, the headlights look like my 3 year old nephew drew those on
Funny thing is, I’m a sales person at a Nissan dealer. Any random person commenting/complimenting the car who then asks the price, when they find out they’re always like “wow that’s a great price” yet they sit in show rooms collecting dust😂
Comedy gold for me was when my local Nissan dealer got one last year and had a $20K dealer markup on it so the window sticker said $89,900 😂😂😂 Still sitting there of course even without the markup.
I am still looking to see my first Nissan Z on the road here in Southern California. Since its introduction, I have yet to see one. Is it fake news? Is it a rumor given life via VR? I bought a bottle of wine to celebrate my first sighting. It is turning into vinegar waiting to be opened. Great review on vaporware. So, now there is a Nissan Z and a more expensive Nismo upgrade, neither one seen on the road. Endangered species are seen more often than the new Z. What gives? There are 44 new Z's within a 50 mile radius of my home for sale at dealers, many marked down and the majority are in just two colors, grey or black. There is a $13-$15,000 difference or so between the Nismo and base Z's, some more so. A chunk of change for an extra 20 horsepower and a few suspension goodies, interior goodies and pin striping. I may go to my grave never having seen a Z on the road in the metal. Maybe I will drop by a Nissan dealership to see one, but the Nissan dealership down the street from me, closed up shop more than a year ago and is now being turned into a Toyota dealership. Maybe a day trip? Oh, I forgot about taxes, license and misc. charges. Getting close to $80,000 for a fully specked out model. I feel a "nope" coming on. Even with a $5,000 discount and presently the cost of financing with great credit, this is one expensive vehicle for the great majority of people out there. Too bad, but at these prices, even used Z's in the future, will be like hen's teeth.
Honestly man I was looking for a new car but these prices are wild. Ended up just getting a 2017 RS7 performance for about 40k, Apple car play upgrade and I couldn’t be happier.
The issue is the price. How did they get to this price? If it’s based on a previous platform it should’ve been a lot more affordable. Not 30K, but heck 40-55K. At that price I’m going with a Integra Type S.
Nissan keeps making this mistake... Nobody wants to pay a premium on a dated platform regardless of how fun it is. The GTR prices nearer to the end of its production were also insane for what it was.
@@marioaguirre3571 It was barely faster than the civic type r which is a better car in every way except power, which doesnt even seem to make much of a difference
1:26 “no one’s buying it” YEAH. BC ITS SUPPOSED TO BE AN “”AFFORDABLE”” SPORTS CAR. BUT EVEN THE REGULAR ONE IS $40k-$50k!!! SPORTS CARS ARENT SELLING BC THEYRE TOO GODDAMN EXPENSIVE
@@rubberwoody You did good. That kind of money for a Z is ridiculous, and you'll get more use out of the caddy. I've heard great things about CT4s and CT5s. I'd have to stretch my budget to get there, so I haven't bothered to test drive either, but every reviewer loves the BW models.
@@redlion145 I would recommend a used "base model" CT4V BW then. The only thing you miss out on with the base model is maybe cooled seats, a HUD, and a sunroof (and 2022s dont have a blackwing badge). Still more equipment than a nismo Z, and theyre selling lightly used for about 55k
Just for reference, a 1996 base model 300zx started at roughly $30,000 at MSRP (adjusting for inflation, about $75,000 today), with the 300zx turbo starting at about $44,000 ($88,000 adjusted for today).
@@kraenk12 it doesn't because it is wrong. a 1995 300zx twin turbo was 35,399. Adjusted for inflation that is $70,842 today. About 3000 more than this thing is going for without dealer markups. However, the Z32 was competing with Porsches and ferraris back then. This thing can barely compete with a $33,000 Elantra N
I’m glad it exists. Nissan missed out with no manual, pricing the Nismo much higher than the Supra GR and they gotta fix those few interior quality bits, work out the suspension and it’s a good sports car. It’s like, it came out half baked.
This car is so much better in yellow and in the sport trim. 400 horsepower for $45K(ish) is a way better price point, especially when equipped with a manual. We really enjoy ours, but the prices get crazy as you increase trims. The stock tires could use more grip, and the paint is really thin, but it is a blast to drive and gets tons of attention. We are very happy with our ownership experience so far.
I'm sure it will be the typical excuse. People don't want to buy sports cars! No, people don't want to buy what you've decided to offer as a sports car.
First 2 minutes and I’ve sat in one of those and I can’t fit and I’m 5’11 so I’m a bit over average height I would have to change the seats because I can’t fit at all
The Nissan z is the epitome of what every enthusiast asked for and is going to adore once it's not in production. 400 HP rwd manual v6tt very tuneable and starts at 43k right now. Performance with the LSD will be able to be had under MSRP if not already in high 40s and at that price point it is very competitive.
the performance model is competitive under MSRP at like 44k but not at 50k where it it right now. only 2023 used models are at low 40s. and the base model is just unbuyable
In Australia a base Nissan z retails for $85k. They are depreciating like no other car I have ever seen. Easy to find a year old car with less than 5000km for $20k less than new price.
I think what happened with this class of car was that you used to get at most like 7/10 from the factory, and the price kinda reflected that. 7/10 meaning that there was ample room j the aftermarket to really make it your own, and the price points kinda reflected that (mustang, camaro, etc). But now you get like 7.5/10 to 9/10 but for 10/10 prices, and no individuality really
Load it up with tech we don't need, load it up with weight we don't need then charge us a fortune for the privilege of getting ripped off. I'm sorry but sports car prices are getting crazy.
On the straight, that noise is so nostalgic. You hear the engine tone, then the soft shift. Reminds me greatly of my dad's 1978 Chevy Citation. I am disappoint. I just looked. A GR86 (Subaru BRZ non ts) is nearly a second faster than the regular Z. What? Here, the GR86 is $15k cheaper than the regular Z.
Can people start addressing the issues with the engine? This shares the engine in the newer infiniti q60-q50 which have been having turbo and engine block issues since 2017. Would love for that to get talked about more so the issues can be addressed
What I get from you guys is that there is no soul in this car. I picked up a Abarth 124 spider partly because of you. A car no one wanted new but man it has so much soul and character. Its not much money now and is roudy fun.
Just basic oil changes so far, but the 1.4 liter motor with fresh oil has proven to last.The same motor is in many cars. The rest of the car is Mazda, so there you go.😊
67k?!?!?!! WTF! Wow, they have lost their minds! GR8 video fellas! Always enjoy what y’all do! Video recommendation: Updates GMC 1509 AT4 (3.0 diesel or gas). Thanks again!
A former co worker got a mustang GT, Matt black the paint, match Matt the wheels, put a supercharger kit on it has 800 rear horsepower with a muffler delete super loud, paid 65 grand total
