Technically there is no "exoskeleton" here. The outer panels may be hard and heavy but they are just bonded to the actual structure of the vehicle and do not supply support. You could remove all of the stainless panels and drive the truck. If they comprised an exoskeleton removing them would render the entire structure unsound and unable of supporting itself. I know Elon said it was gonna have an exoskeleton but it never did.
I guess that so-called exoskeleton isn’t friendly to occupants in both vehicles in a event of crash, he did mentioned he wanted it to be a personal armored vehicle at very beginning, but modern regulations won’t allow public to drive a APC that would reach 60mph within a second. Like you said, basically he chose the way how Delorean did in the past.
@@markthomasson5077if the exterior panels offered substantial structural support to the vehicle, you'd hear it. The door seals and panel attachment points would constantly creak and you definitely wouldn't be hearing about a body shop being able to measure an A pillar with the doors and quarter panel off. I'm also not convinced that the strength of the door panels allows for the deletion of the standard side impact beams.
Something has to give. Tesla moved it to skin support structure between the skin and and the castings and stamped sides of the passenger compartment. A good outcome might be adding shims to bring the panel into alignment but guessing that will be rare. If the panel moves in a moderate impact get out the wrenches and replace it. It may have changed but the one time I priced a F150 and a CyberTruck door they were about the same and the CyberTruck does not need to be repainted making for a significant buffer. Waiting to see if I am right.
Paint labor, blends, added r&i's, materials, days of added time. All not needed with a skin replacement on this. Remove skin, prep, for new panel, install new panel.. done.
Or don’t. The only reason someone isn’t just knocking this straight is cosmetic. It’s a truck and most of them have dents and rust after a few years. The Cybertruck will just be missing the rust but if people actually want to use it as a truck they’ll have to get used to dents and scratches. Most modern American Trucks are ugly as sin and very dangerous to pedestrians, the Cybertruck fits in perfectly.
@@Gersberms Yes way ha. Have a buddy that shot his and the replacement door was like $860 or something. Transplanted glass and the interior paneling but the outer steel.... $860. No paint. No body shop. It's easy.
Likely from the datum points provided by the manufacturer for collision repair. All vehicles have these collision repair datum points, provided by the manufacturer, for repair purposes.
The issue with 48v is not just arcing, it is also to do, with safety to personnel and following proper safety procedures(electrical safety is a must unlike most 12v systems). The arcing is definitely an issue, since in a shorted(under full load) condition, there will be a current surge as much as 4x more than a 12v system. It is the amount of current in the arcing(and the total power-proportional to i^2) that eventually decides the burn potential of the contact points.❤👍
Not necessarily 4x that totally depends on the power of the battery. If the power of the battery is the same, but the voltage is 4x then there will be .25x the amount of current going through a short.
I think he's thinking fully laden gross weight at 9,169 lbs (not curb weight) .... not sure how big a difference there is between the RWD and 4WD models...
Stainless Steel is very difficult to work with in this situation, its not a alloy that was really developed for this type of application. I know i worked with SS In sheet metal for many years, studied it during Mechanical Engineering. Really its a case of removal of damaged panels disposal and replacement with new panels. That will definitely increase the insurance costs of these CyberTrucks. I wouldn’t even contemplate buying one just for the problems associated with SS repairs same as the DeLorean, ALTHOUGH having seen a DeLorean up close here in Australia they definitely knew what to do with SS over Tesla.
Additionally, welding in new sections isn’t totally trivial. Cutting out a section will definitely burn out the Chromium, so you’d be left trying to chemically convert the steel back, or just painting the entire panel. Assuming you are going to do any traditional body panel repairs that are available for other cars
To have a meaningful comparison to other vehicles, you would need to have to analyze the damage under the same conditions, similar to crash testing. Maybe with a traditional car the visible damage would be significantly higher but also internal damage would happen. I once had an accident at low speed, someone rear ending me, the visible outer damage was not extreme, but the car was totaled the whole bottom of the trunk was warped and the main frame was distorted.
Was looking for this comment. If that were a traditional door, contacting a bollard with that amount of force, a visual inspection would likely immediately be assessed as Replace.
@@supercadet111 True. I would hate to fight with insurance over that. They'd look at the cybertruck and say , "oh it's fine, here's the least amount of $$ we can give you for the repair since on the outside it doesn't look that bad" But then again I would never have that problem since I don't have that much disaposable income.
@@2011dtish21 But that wont happen if its open circuit, ie no potential. Arcing will also occur in say a switch if its closed and current is flowing and its open, especially DC circuits
The issue of arcing on 12v is the same as on 48v. Both can arc and in both cases can damage your main electrical system if not properly fused. Most likely though the line will be fused in which case i’t not that big a deal to just snip the line. 48v is not high voltage, it’s just more than 12v. 48v will not shock you unless you stick the wires in your mouth.
Use to fix this kind of thing by opening the door and climbing on it, a few bounces and all is aligned. Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.
I'm really curious to see behind the rear seats at the wall separating the interior from the vault. I've been wondering about maybe modifying it to at least have the glass come down to allow climate control for that bed space too. Would be dope to have the whole seat and wall fold down for full access to the vault from the inside.
Could the door still open? Do a mirror replacement could be done easily and economically without damaging the 48V system and maintain water tightness? If the answers to those questions were YES, I would leave the door as it is, clean the markings, and forget about the gap, after all, that gap is not as bad a the one I got on my 2019 Silverado....... Well anyway, I dropped my CT reservation.
So basically because the outer panels are so strong, all the damage during the collision is transferred to the vehicle shell underneath which is borderline unrepairable. You have yourself a disposable $100K truck.
3:35 “Bullet Proof Panel” I think you should say “Sub Sonic Bullet Resistant Panel” as there are plenty of bullets that will go through that door panel. .223 and a 50 go right through for instance.
New insurance paradigm: ship old door to Tesla, they provide back a drop in replacement and they do all the complicated work in house. Total cost would be close to shipping+labour.
Same appraisal process as a conventional vehicle. Tear down, inspect. No different than traditional doors other than the harder material and lack of a intrusion beam.
The stainless on the Cybertruck is 300 series, which isn’t super exotic. The problem is that the steel is subject to work hardening. Too much cold work could lead to cracking. If you hot work the metal, you may precipitate the dissolved carbon and trace elements. You might turn the steel blue or cause the steel to lose its desired properties. I have a feeling a lot of shops are going to replace panels to reduce the chance of unsatisfactory repairs. I can imagine there will be pushback from insurers. It is fortunate the Cybertruck is a low volume vehicle - at least for now. I’ve seen several videos of neophyte drivers trying to back up Cybertrucks and making a real mess of it. The problem seems ripe for a software update to add a selectable mode or maybe just disable 4-wheel steering altogether for backing out of parking spaces.
It is possible to disable the rear wheel steering but the problem is(like most modern cars) it's buried in the infotainment screen meaning you'd have to sit there and jump through menus to get to the one thing you're looking for.
Even if people are not used to the steer-by-wire system Cybertruck is using, they should be able to back up without hitting stuff simply using the awesome backup camera the Cybertruck has. I think some people are just forgetting about the backup camera and trying to use the side mirrors and backing up the way they would in a conventional pickup truck and backing too fast. That is a recipe for disaster IMHO.
@@mosconi0359 If aI’m not mistaken, there’s no washer jet for the rear camera. The blunt back edge creates a low pressure zone and the camera gets pretty easily covered in dust according to owners. From experience with the rear camera on other vehicles, a washer jet is also handy for blasting off rain drops which are distorting the image. I tend to rely more on the backup camera on my car and only use the outside mirrors for the final few feet to verify clearance as I back into my garage. If Tesla gets feedback about backing into spots being difficult, they will probably make a software change to help make it more intuitive. Tesla is good at making running changes to improve the driving experience.
@@pbinnj3250 We’ll have to see the cost of compressive insurance premiums for Cybertrucks are once insurers have experience with the magnitude of claims. Probably most buyers are going to have to get loans and they may get sticker shock when they see the insurance premium. I try to pay cash when I can for cars and opt for liability only insurance, banking the difference it would have cost for comprehensive coverage. So far over the course of several decades, it has worked in my favor. By now I have enough saved to buy a new vehicle if one of my cars is totaled in a wreck. It takes financial discipline though, and it isn’t easy to resist spending out the reserve.
The catalogue is online but you need a vin number to look at some parts. Driver side doors for the CT and F150 were close, thinking $400 or $500. No paint repair on the CT.
@@AudiTTQuattro2003 Structural adhesives have been used by OEM's and have been part of factory authorized repair methods for over 20 years. In the collision repair industry, they're commonly referred to as panel adhesives, and when used correctly can be used for a repair that rivals welding. I don't see what this poster is referring to when stating to fill a gap, it's not really used as a filler. Shims are also a commonly used method of adjustment. Don't let insurance companies fool you, they couldn't care less about the quality of a repair or your safety. They will skimp on repairs to save a nickel any chance they get. When arguing with insurance companies to make them pay to properly repair something, it's the factory approved methods that are referred to.
That is going to cost an arm and a leg. Replacing that glass is going to be a bitch. That whole door may need to be replaced, which might be the cheapest way to go.
And a new door would be needed on a regular truck as well...plus it would need painted and then blend the other door and front fender. Cycbertruck won't need paint saving money.
1. The panels are not bullet proof. 2. The only solution for collision damage is to ban those extremely dangerous and poorly designed and built bait and switch vehicles from all roads. 3. Explain to Elon fan boys who say things like “Elon is working on it”, that Elon isn’t working on anything, isn’t an engineer, but as an unfettered CEO can say and promise anything. Stop thinking you’re buying a vehicle from Elon. It’s a corporation. Elon will not be talking to you with the next over the air update to deliver things to the truck you paid for, but were cheated out of.
It’s bulletproof to a 9mm Glock, 45 Caliber Tommy Gun and an 00 Buck shotgun. So yea unless you’re talking a 50 cal: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VLV-4HMrAz0.htmlsi=5mdilWfNxDkLfoX9 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-teRRk-0KHus.htmlsi=ZblAEJDgE-S2pVfM
It’s bulletproof to a 9mm Glock, 45 Caliber Tommy Gun and an 00 Buck shotgun. So yea unless you’re talking a 50 cal: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VLV-4HMrAz0.htmlsi=5mdilWfNxDkLfoX9 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-teRRk-0KHus.htmlsi=ZblAEJDgE-S2pVfM
So a .45 ACP would just destroy the thing. Or a 10mm. Essentially any common handgun outside of 9mm, of which there are plenty of. AR rounds…. Any rifle round rated for hunting…
@@2011dtish21 The primary protection is against the dings that vehicles collect. Not so much hand guns. Thing is this level of protection was added w/o adding significant if any weight. Unless you compare it to an aluminum Ford.
THANK YOU ELON MUSK FOR THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND RAISING OUR INSURANCE RATES! HE SAYS LOOKS LIKE SIMPLE COSMETIC DAMAGE, BUT NO AUTO REPAIR SHOP WILL GIVE YOU A QUOTE FOR THE REPAIR WORK UNTIL THEY TAKE THE DAMN THING APART! NO THEY CAN UP-CHARGE YOU FOR THE REPAIR WORK!
3:35 “Bullet Proof Panel” I think you should say “Sub Sonic Bullet Resistant Panel” as there are plenty of bullets that will go through that door panel. .223 and a 50 go right through for instance. 7:32 What kind of evidence do you have for the damage a CyberTruck might incur from unplugging a mirror ? A history of damage ? A Service Bulletin?
Get used to it. Casting is the future. Almost every auto manufacturer is looking at it or have already started designing vehicles that will use this process.
Nope, it's only because they're novelty, so almost each crash is reported in one way or another. Who would worry about accidents of known cars with predictable repair technology?
