The ballistics gel test of these same two rounds from these same two guns is uploaded now- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kRrSO7a274U.html
Just looking at the holes the 22 Mag made, brother that round is no joke. The 22 LR may not have shot through the second door, but it did penetrate the metal on the first door pretty well. To be honest, I wouldn't want to get shot with either of them. You may think this was a backwoods test, but you're showing real world results of what these rounds can do. Excellent video, sir!
I have too agree with you! When I was 19, I was hit by a 22lr at close range. I was hit on the left-front side of my leg, and it tore a hole right through. It then exited my leg, and entered again in my groin area. The bullet stopped at the lining of my stomach. The weird part about it was I only felt a hot burning sensation for a second, and then there was nothing. I didn't even know it hit me until somebody pointed out the blood on my pants. I thought it just grazed me! The worst part was getting a catheter while I was awake. Now that hurt!
Buffalo, there was one documented self defense shooting (that I know about) where a woman used a .22 WMR revolver on an attacker that had broken into her house. She fired six rounds into him at close range. All six penetrated the chest fully leaving exit holes out his back. The attacker did no survive to do ever try that again!! Enough said.
Don't underrate yourself. Your content is at the top of "accurate ( truthful ), logical, understandable & entertaining for me. At 70 years old, I have collected firearms my entire life from age 7, & .22lr &.22mag are the caliber of firearms that I own the most of. A cheap & enjoyable round to spend time with!!!
I have been watching all varieties of gun channels on RU-vid for over 10 years and, I must say, I find yours to be the most entertaining, the most laid-back, the easiest to digest and the most enjoyable. Your delivery is unassuming, straightforward and factually accurate. Please keep it up and don't change.
I hoped that it would go that way but I had no idea until I tried it. I think it gives a good visual of the difference in numbers the chronograph showed us. Thanks Jeff!
I have always believed this, I always carry my single six with the .22Mag cylinder because it's roughly equivalent to .22LR out of a rifle. Good test brother.
I owned a 22 magnum since I was 12; I had one kind or another for over fifty years. One thing I found to be true is hollow point 22 long rifle bullets are less important than accuracy. Heavy bullets penetrate deeper than lighter ones most often. This leads to the conclusion that the 40 grain 22 long rifle bullet works best in pistols and rifles. Higher velocity bullets in pistols work better than most others in pistols too. The CCI ones you use Work Great; that’s why I have a thousand of them. The 22 mag is more powerful plain and simple. I have 22 mag ammo with 30 gr jacketed bullets and 50 gr lead bullets. You can buy 22 long rifle ammo with 50 and 60 gr bullets too. Anyone saying a 22 is a poor choice for self-protection; likely never got shot with one. I beg to differ on that idea a little. I use a 22 long rifle for squirrels because it is not as loud as a 22 magnum and that matters. I use a 22 magnum for hunting groundhogs with 30 gr jacketed bullets; the added velocity works better at ranges to 125 yards. I use lead bullets for turkey, fox, and coyote at closer ranges. The lead bullets pass thru and do less damage to the eating parts. The groundhogs eat good too; but I don’t eat the head. One of those little 30 gr bullets turn their head into a beanbag with ears. I believe what I see more than what someone tells me to be true. Fact is; I saw my Pappy turn enough big hogs into bacon with a 22-short. I know a 22 gets the job done if you know how to use one.
Great info. I agree have many 22 rifles & pistols, feel safe carrying my 351pd S&W. Just one question been wondering how groundhogs eat, tasty-tender, best cooking method ? Do they really taste like chicken ? Thanks
That is a great demonstration. A very good comparison. I especially liked the double grill door test. Puts the difference in real world performance between the two rounds in perspective.
"Heck, I just like to shoot anyways." That about sums it up for me. Anything, anytime. Nice looking range by the way. Wish I had one like it. Nice setup.
That's pretty impressive penetration for the .22 WMR. That would not be an awful concealed carry gun at all, especially for someone who is recoil or blast sensitive, like my sister-in-law who has physical limitations due to an injury. Heck, I would not feel under armed myself. Nice job. Thanks.
I like the way this man speaks. He appears to think about what he's saying and gives himself a moment to think about what comes out of his mouth. In other words he don't run his mouth off. Some of it might be the accent but he speaks well and clearly with good intent. Talks sense too.
Buffalo, just wanted to tell you how much I love your stuff. Thanks for all you do! You rank up there with Plink, Mixup and Hickock in my book. Love you man
I have an NAA ranger 2 Breaktop that is chambered in .22lr and .22 magnum, using interchangeable cylinders. It's a 2 1/2 inch barrel, close to your 3 inch barrels there. WOW. I've been carrying it in .22lr but the .22 winmag is amazing by comparison in these (slightly longer) short barrel lengths. Much more power. I should carry it in that instead. This was helpful, thank you.
I got to see about 22 LR rifle damage out of a 22 Magnum handgun in ballistic gel, but my numbers were quite a bit lower with my 2.5 inch gun. But I was really surprised about how little damage the 22 LR did against the door. I wouldn't feel so confident about punching through light cover with one if I had to. But that Magnum punches through like a rifle would. Great video! It needed to be made.
Lol. I used to tell my customers basically the same thing when they asked about carrying a handgun. A 22 in your pocket is better then a 45 on your nightstand. 👍
@@SkateAndReview Good for you. The simple fact is that not everyone can edc a .45. I have a friend that's 6 foot 9. He carrys a full size 1911 edc and you cant even notice it, whereas its bulky on a smaller frame. One of the most important aspects of edc is having a weapont that conceals well, but is accessible, fits the owners hand well and is comfortable to handle and shoot. That's why theres so many different platforms and calibers
I would say this “hillbilly” demonstration is the best comparison I have seen between the .22lr and .22 mag. I get tired of people always saying that you are just wasting money getting a .22 mag revolver when a .22lr will perform just the same. The .22 mag beats the .22lr in every way. Great video.
Winchester developed the 22 mg in 1959. The intent was to give rifle velocities with a 4 inch pistol. So your conclusion is spot on. It never really caught on because it was intended for varmints. BUT because most varmints are small and several yards distant, most farmer types (and the like) had trouble shooting handguns at small targets. The good ol' 22 rifle is found on nearly every farm in America for good reason. Even grandma can use it.
Your content is top notch. Brief and to the point. I'm a big fan of the 22 WMR and am old enough to remember well the whoopla when it came out. I would have no problem carrying one for self defense. Big big advantage over 22LR.
I loved it. And yes sir you proved that the 22 mag is a lot better in a revolver. So much so that Margarets hand strength is so bad she carries her MP 22 compact. But she likes the LCRX revolvers. I will show her this and see if she wants one now in 22 mag. She can't handle anything bigger so she can shoot 5 and then get her knife. Thanks buddy we old hillbillies love these test👍
Good job. I understand that you don’t feel that you’re an instructor or teacher per se, but you do an excellent job of explaining what you’re doing and why you’re doing it. Thank you for a great video.
Great Vid! Enjoyed every second of it, 22's are full of interesting performance variations. Thanks for taking your time to demonstrate the differences between these two Ruger revolvers.
Best demo I've seen for velocity and penetration. I have done the chronograph with a Ruger LCR for the 22 magnum and Ruger GP100 LR. I got pretty much the same results.
Thanks for the demo and going through the numbers. While the 22 WMR has superior performance, I don’t want to be shot in the face with a punny little 22 LR. It would make for a very bad day.
That's my sense too. The LR wouldn't stop a crazed or drugged-out attacker (unless the shot were perfectly placed, which would be tough in a wild situation) but for an attacker who valued his life and body, I expect that would hurt, and get him running away. Which of course would be very good.
Right at the end you say “Hillbilly - I know…” as if that’s a bad thing. Brother that’s why we watch you. We love you! You are us! If anybody calls you hillbilly in a derogatory way, i would delete them. I am from the great plains. We do not have hills, but we are, like you, hillbillies - masters of the rural realms, vanguard of the unpopulated lands, and we prefer it that way. We like how you think, how you handle your content, your production schedule, & especially that you think & act like a man should think and act - God is first, family and country second, i am third. God bless you brother!! Keep up the good work.
We all need a .22 caliber gun/guns as a fun gun to shoot and for our shtf package. In my house the .22WMR is the 22 caliber round that we "horde" for shtf situations. It's a great small game round, but it can be of some benefit as a defensive round also.
Carry the 22. Mag...I have a four inch taurus tracker...both cylinders...I like the 22 long rifle out of a rifle and pistol...the 22.mag is still heavier and a little faster..better for home defense or personal protection...even if it's a little better..and faith in God through Christ in these times. Nice clean video. Love it.
One thing I noticed with .22 WMR/LR conversion revolvers, is that barrel length matters. Before I had a chronograph I noticed that in the 1" NAA Mini there wasn't much difference, but in my 4.6" Ruger Single Six there was a huge difference. All my conclusions were based on just shooting stuff. I had guessed in the 4.6" barrel I was getting 100 ft lbs vs 150 ft lbs so I was close in my guess. My fence post tests with the 4.6" barrel said it all lol. It would stop all .22 LR rounds but the Magnum would pass through. An extra 50 ft lbs is nothing if we are talking .45 auto, but in a .22 cal bullet 50 ft lbs is HUGE, like doubling it's potential essentially. People don't understand scaling, but .22 Mag is way better than .22 LR.
Absolutely awesome comparison video! I did a informal (not on video and no chronograph) comparison with my old Heritage SA revolver. It came with both a LR and a Mag cylinder. And with it's 5.5" barrel the difference in the very unscientific yet greatly amusing penetration tests I done was a real eye opener to say the least! Prior to that test I had thought "yeah the mag would be better, but not all that much and not worth it" Boy was I wrong! 😆 Great vid dude! I like your style!
👍 good information and I was a little surprised at the LR on the doors . There’s still plenty of space on the doors to try the Stinger and Velocitor if you have them to see if one of them can get through one door. Thank you and stay safe 👍
My EDC has a 1 1/8" barrel, and the 22lr actually out penetrates the 22wmr. I still carry with the the 22wmr rounds, because the increase in noise and fireball has great deterrent value as well.
Really enjoy your channel Buff. Love your vids and find your accent relaxing for some reason. Guns and that southern drawl….great combo! All in all I really enjoy you content and always watch it all the way through. Can’t say that about all my subscriptions. Keep up the good fight brother.
Ahhhh Buffalo you're not all that "Hillbilly" otherwise you'd have shot into the car door of one of the cars on blocks in your front yard. Good vid. and I enjoy the vids of you shooting long range hand gun you're a good shot. Maybe as good as Hickock45.
I will take your "hillbilly" demonstrations any day of the week! That shows the performance differences that just 10-15% can make. The only other consideration I would think about when it came to the revolver would be that the 22LR has more rounds to fire before a reload is needed. However, the 22Mag is just more effective. Have a great day!
I ran this test with my NAA .22 Mag (1" bbl) vs. my S&W .22 mag 648 (6" bbl). Shooting both initially showed me a big difference with the NOISE! Then I saw the difference in the water-filled, 1 gallon plastic milk jugs. Wow! The .22 LR put a cute little hole in a jug, the .22 mag split the jug in half. That's about as scientific as I can get, but of course there is a big difference between the two weapons. Great video Buffalo, thanks for your time!
I've done a variety of tests on this myself. The conclusion was that, although .22 Magnum always beats .22 LR, the difference between them grows less and less as barrels become shorter. .22 Magnum seems to really suffer in a revolver too. Cylinder/barrel gap and forcing cone dimensions appear to have a substantial effect on it. I've gone so far as to completely rebuild revolvers with very tight forcing cones and gaps set as small as .0015". There were significant velocity gains with .22 Magnum in my tests in very short barrels. Of course this is hardly conclusive, and could be different with different ammunition. That's only what I saw. For some reason, the forcing cones in .22 revolvers generally seem to have far larger dimensions relative to bullet diameter than in other calibers, and that appears to cost .22 Magnum some speed. But it will always outperform the .22 LR to some degree in the same barrel length no matter what. Though sometimes the difference is very little. This is most observable in the mini revolvers with 1" barrels. Not a lot of difference, but some.
would be more interesting comparing the CCI 22LR Velocitor HP that is also a 40gr rated for 1435 fps vs the 22 magnum though than the cci minimag. but yea the 22 magnum is a more powerful round
Yes that was my first reaction too, How would the Hyper velocity 40 grain 22lr compare. The door test was extremely effective in demonstrating the dramatic difference between the two rounds. Maybe more so than ballistic gell as it is more relatable.
I had seen several of your other videos and enjoyed them. Note that I start to remember your channel fondly, you earned a subscriber. I’m thinking of an LCRx in 22 WMR for my wife, and this makes a good case.
I have the same wish. I love Ruger's LCR line and 6 shots of 22WMR is good but 8 would be better. Taurus makes that 8 shot 22WMR right now and it has my attention.
Nice video as always. And that 22lr going through one door is still serious damage out of a small revolver. Humans are far softer than even one of those metal doors, so that 22lr round is definitely deadly
I don't think he's an official hillbilly; he actually spoke like he has more than a 3rd grade education, and I saw no broken-down vehicles in the area. :)
Good test and illustration of how the difference is more extreme than initially indicated. BTW I like punching holes in paper but shooting stuff is always more fun.
Great visual demonstration for immediate consumption and understanding for these layman's eyes comparing the capabilities of these two calibers from like pistols. Thanks!!!!
The chronograph's Standard of Deviation for the WMR (think of it as velocity 'grouping') was 60% of what it was for the LR. That makes for more consistent shooting.
Great video! The 22mags even sound louder on camera. I wonder what a 22lr 40gr Velocitor would run from the 3in bbl... 🤔 The jackets on the mags def help their performance Thanks again Buffalo 👍
I agree with everything you said. I don’t have a .22 magnum handgun anymore since I sold my old Ruger Single Six. I remember testing both cylinders after I got it and finding out that the magnum was much more powerful out of the same exact revolver. I remember how the Winchester magnum ammo was so good at penetrating and hanging together. It got me to using Winchester Super -X ammo for everything. It was good ammo, but I haven’t seen any for sale in years. I suppose it is still made, but just hard to find.
Thanks for a great video, Buffalo! How would you describe the difference in felt recoil between 22 LR, 22 WMR and 32 SWL or 32 H&R. (You helped turn me on to the 327 Federal Magnum chambered revolvers, which I love.) Also, your bluegrass theme music is the best!
Actually kind of liked this one, I see so many people on youtube that seem to be out to just waste my time, but this was a good, quick, and informative little piece, and I enjoyed it. I was kinda surprised by the chrony readings, and then when I went back and pulled up the ballistics by the inch chart I remembered...pretty sure they included the chamber in the barrel length. People have a lot of dumb sayings when it comes to guns and most of the time just repeating what someone else told them. I still go 22lr for my normal carry pistols around the property. Extra 100-200fps doesn't mean that much to me and I'm really accurate with my HP22a, plus usually it's just critters that get shot at around here, but even in town I still have the 22lr. I believe it'd be slightly more effective than a pen knife, which is all I carried for most of my life.
Kinda, but the recoil of the 357 out of a 2 inch is not for the faint of heart, or weak of hand. Paul Harrell suggested people fire 38 wadcutters for self defense because they are 'pre-expanded' (not his term), instead of the hard recoil of the 357.
@@markh.6687 true to a point. I own a 640, 2.5 inch 66 and a 2.5 inch 66. I find .357 out of a j frame...of putting. From a K frame recoil requires concentration. .357 from the L frame is a pussy cat
@@ftdefiance1 Exactly; especially with the 'shoot once a year' gun owners; better to be able to hit with small-frame 38's multiple times to make the holes. I owned a 66 years ago, 4" barrel. Fired some 357, and decided that 38+P was a better fit for the gun and myself, and more accurate. I did shoot a little 357 out of a 686, and that was a much better combo of gun, ammo, and accuracy.
9mm from a 2 inch snubnose get sligtly higher velocitys than a .357. 357 from a 2 inch snubnose is totally stupid. You get much more recoil, blast and noise for nothing!
Nice job! The 22 rim fires are certainly under estimated! The 22 mag is a formidable game round if shot placement is considered. Only negative is the rim fire part. Centerfire cartridges are more reliable.
