I do not use the English voice-over but hearing Eide's lines here... wow. people were complimenting this performance and yes. it is impressive. And makes him sound a smidge unhinged throughout the quest.
Really surprised to hear people like the performance. I found it abysmal... Lol but seriously, am I the only one who found it over-acted? Could have dialled it back and still got the effect. Abyss founder came across as a dribbling fool.. just my opinion.
It’s very likely that the abyss sibling helped the aranara in order to gain the bhima fruit, which is the actual medicine that can help keep a person sane and clear of mind (since it clears up erosion/varana), for dainsleif. He was probably suffering from the worst of his curse then and the traveler had no choice but to try their luck alone in order to help him.
Nahida also mentioned how Abyss Sibling suddenly had records exactly 500 years ago. It makes me think they had done something to, idk, fuse themselves to Teyvat? Perhaps they had let someone form Khaenri'ah borrow their likeness/use their body as their vessel while retaining memories with the Traveler? I'm just spitballing here haha Caribert Quest just opened up more questions
it has something to do with twins, maybe that ley line specifically only the other twin can see it. It has something to do with sustainer of the Heavenly principles, why the twin was cubed separately, one was cubed like a piece and the other is liked erased
Exactly what I was thinking! I thought that Caribert becoming "the Loom of Fate" means he succeeded taking over the sibling's body and mind, while keeping their memories. Thus, he'd recognize the traveler, continue to run the Abyss Order and still being recorded by the Irminsul as the sibling. If that's the case, then we may have to fight our sibling in the end to make them free of Caribert's control and the abyssal powers, so that they can regain their consciousness. But this part is just my speculation.
hmm maybe that it implicates that the unknown god sent both of the siblings different time periods such as the sibling 500 years before and the traveler 500 years after the war? that's how the sibling had records in the irminsul?
@@mahroashs The first Dainsleif quest hinted that the Abyss Twin had traveled Teyvat before the Cataclysm while Traveler was asleep. They had woken up Traveler to escape Teyvat when Khaenri'ah disaster happened but, was stopped by SoHP. Abyss twin was forced to stay behind during Khaenri'ah disaster while Traveler was most likely subjected to a 500-year slumber. I think that's when Abyss Twin somehow got tied with something from Teyvat, such as maybe a Khaenri'ahn pure-blood had connected with them? The timeline is a bit confusing haha
@@farhanrejwan I like this! It's most likely Caribert was born during the Cataclysm, so it ties in with how Abyss Sibling suddenly had records from Teyvat 500 years ago (bcs they and Caribert have become intertwined now). An illegitimate heir to the Khaenri'ahn throne fusing with a Descender; hence why the Abyss calls them Prince/Princess. This is an interesting take!
I really like how Chlothar was voiced in this quest. I already felt unsettled after a few lines. The pauses, the giggles... I was like, 'this b is crazy huh' and then realized that he was, in fact, crazy af lol
I thought it's because he was experiencing the curse of immortality without having any mitigators, hanging on by the force of will alone, like those knights we encounter in the Chasm. It appears to me that masks and ley line branches (carried by Hilichurls and Abyss Mages) help them resist the curse somehow. Note that Daisleif and Fatui are also all wearing masks, and Kaeya is wearing an eyepatch.
@@kotarouinugami1745 Kaeya is wearing an eyepatch because of a scar he got from Diluc. It was confirmed in 2.8 during the All's Well That Ends Well event quest, when we found the letters they sent each other during/after Diluc's departure from Mondstadt (post-webtoon, pre-Traveller's arrival in Mondo): Kaeya's letter - A Letter in Beautiful Handwriting (IV): Whatever the case, it took quite a lot of effort to see those blurred words with only one eye, you know? Diluc's letter - Letter Addressed to "K" (I): Also, I suggest that you stop mentioning eyes in your letters. Don't think that I don't know that your right eye wasn't blinded. Kaeya's letter - A Letter in Beautiful Handwriting (V): I mean, not everyone who wears an eyepatch must be blind, right? Don't people also wear an eyepatch if they have a scar over their right eye?
@@jadeandblood Ironic how Mondstadt is the first nation we arrive to and is said to be the most carefree one but is hiding so many big secrets that we're gonna learn later on.
6:57 Remember that in the past, he ultimately chose to come clean to Diluc about him being a Khaenriah agent because he was conflicted about which side to choose after Crepus' death, and he clearly cared more about Crepus than his birth father So by Kaeya's own will, he is virtually a Mondstadter now But yeah, it's possible that circumstances might cause the name "Alberich" and its legacy to haunt Kaeya in the future... and given its story potential, it's just a matter of time
He certainly is conflicted, but I'm not sure he truly has cut ties with his past. In fact, with the new informations from this quest, I am rather convinced he fears he will ultimately have to follow the abyss because of whatever Clothar did or more probably obtained from the "Sinner". Oh, and, speaking about this: every single bit of the conversation between Kaeya and Dainsleif has to be considered a blatant lie. Kaeya has at least some vague knowledge about a plan his father had, it's mentioned in his Vision story. Plus, seeing the sort of writing exercise we found during the Hidden Strife, he was literally brought up to carry on whatever the Alberichs were planning. Also, he's the one who first informs us about the "prince/princess" of the Abyss Order and..."The legacy of Khaenri'ah is long gone, the sinners are all that's left, and they aren't worth mentioning". This the only one of Kaeya's voicelines directly referring to Khaenri'ah...and the only other time we've heard the word "sinner" in the game so far...it can't just be coincidental. Kaeya kmows far more than he was willing to say in front of Dainsleif. As for us, there was a hidden dialogue before going into the forest where he told us he wanted to talk about "what happened at the last Windblume" so, I have the feeling he might trust us enough to drop the mask, at least partially. All of that doesn't mean he wants to be a part of the Abyss Order or to follow his ancestors' path, he's given very consistent signs of the contrary and I believe the bit about his father leaving him in Mondstadt to give him a better life has a chance to be some kind of self-delusion he tells himself to feel better...but we saw just how powerful the thing in the Abyss is and I believe Kaeya somehow knows too. That would also explain his reaction when he discovered Crepus used a Delusion...
@@tavanijorge2175 I am not sure of course, but think about this: the abyss thing freed Clothar from the curse...was it really out of..."compassion"? What did he want in return? We can be fairly sure whatever the Sinner wants, Clothar could not achieve in his lifetime. And, seeing as Kaeya has been labelled : "the last hope", I feel there might be some kind of time limit for the Alberich...All of this is really specultative still, but I think one day Kaeya will have to confront the abyss thing, because, being an Alberich, he's technically indebted to it...
Not the same one, a new one, nowhere does it say theres only 1 bija. It takes a lot of preparation to make one but there is more than one. It's possible the jester or gold also have one they they acquired/copied from somewhere.
@@aibhe The Black Knights we fought in the Chasm were all pure-blooded. They lost their minds. That makes Dainsleif the only pure-blood Khaenrianh we met (in modern times), that's sane.
This Archon quest was a mind-full. Since the sibling isn't considered a descender, that means they were summoned by the Royal Court of Khaenri'ah into Teyvat and King Irmin (Irmin, Irminsul... coincidence? I think not) removed this occurrence from Irminsul to avoid suspicion from Celestia. However, their usage of forbidden knowledge had them caught in the end, causing the Cataclysm. I strongly believe now that the first scene of Genshin Impact where the twins are separated was during or right before the Cataclysm. They tried to escape and were cast back into Teyvat as a punishment, hence why the sibling who woke up first decided to follow the Abyss; not because of linear ideals, but to somehow correct a great wrong. As for Chlothar, the Alberich clan, and the "sinner", there are many loose ends still. I am so excited to see the story approaching rising action, and thanks as always for the excellent breakdowns Cat.
wait that actually makes sense..they could have been summoned by real heaven not from celestia since we don't know from where exactly these sibling belong..once they came they could have done as stated in your comment..but they were responsible for cataclysm afterwards and celestia could have seemed the as threat as they would know that celestia is technically fake and its replica of maybe real heaven? to save their skin and to punish them they..threw them back to tevyat...but what did khaneriah do? it was suspected that khaneriah unleashed abyss creatures or used abyss but IF WE GO BY THIS QUEST THEN THE ABYSS CAME INTO THEIR LIFE AFTERWARDS...or maybe big influential ppl would have known abt abyss and used it..whatever they did was so wrong THAT EVEN GODS HAVE TO DESCEND TO DESTROY THEM.. WHATEVER MIGHT BE THE CASE BUT WE KNOW NOW THAT NEITHER CELESTIA NOR KHANERIAH ARE GOOD OR BAD AS THEY SEEMED they could be...NEUTRAL in nature nor good nor bad
I like the idea of one of the twins being summoned first and therefore not being considered a descender. The other twin would only arrive much later in search of the whereabouts of the first, which would be more or less close to the cataclysm. This would explain why the Traveler did not know the language of Teyvat (Paimon who teaches) and why it is always referred to the existence of only one of the .twins in Khaenri'ah and not both. Note: Sorry if the English turned out to be weird, not my first language
IIRC the Abyss Sibling woke up first and saw the Cataclysm happening. They then woke the Traveler and they tried to escape the Teyvat, when they were stopped by the Sustainer of the Heavenly Principles. It isn't known what the Abyss Sibling was doing when they weren't asleep. Some people suggest that the scenes shown in the "We will be reunited" teaser are from that time.
"if you runt into a tree it may sway but it will remain as a tree" I think she is preparing us to understand why our siblings plan is doomed to fail. The real gods finally notice us as the salvation
as far as i know, the reason the twins were in teyvat in the first place is because their home world was destroyed, and they were likely trying to find a new world. it seems to only be a coincidence that they landed in teyvat while the cataclysm was occurring, or beginning to start. everything involving the sibling is honestly just very confusing at this point
I have rewatched the scene with Kaeya and Dain many times, and the more I rewatch, the more intricate it becomes- every word out of Kaeya's mouth is intentional. That cunning, cunning man. Luring Dain out, Dain ordering Kaeya's favorite drink, Kaeya not being surprised at all about the meaning of his surname, asking Dain if he is a pureblood, meaning Kaeya has known all along, and dipping as soon as his involvement in Abyss Order is questioned.
It was mostly implied Khaenri'ah is close to Sumeru since 3.1 in the side quest "Afratu's Dilemma". In the quest, Afratu says "[The Ruin Golem] is said to be a relic of the legendary Dahri people... Hmm, perhaps you're more familiar with the name Khaenri'ah? Dahri is an archaic name that's commonly used in the Vahumana Darshan", thus all references to Dahri mean Khaenri'ah. This quest takes place in the Valley of Dahri (released in 3.1), and northeast of this location is the Ruins of Dahri (released in 3.0).
I mean there are a lot of "Dahri" places in Sumeru. It's a bit too much since other nations do not have that💀 (P.S. in leaks for 3.6 there is a "Dahrian Breach" with a lot of cliffs (like the Chasm's) located in Goddess's of Flowers land...)
@@huasaihun When I read that name, it made me remember how the same portal in Pacific Rim is called a breach.. its kinda fitting considering Khaenri'ah is a nation founded underground. It must have been a gateway to the nation or a suddenly built way up to fend off the monsters of the abyss during the cataclysm.
And then there is a certain *ruin* that the door couldn't be opened so far (I could be wrong) and has Dante's Inferno reference... I think that's the entrance to Khaenriah.
I'm personally under the impression that the voice is Irmin. Let's rewind to Kaeya's surname, Alberich. We know that this royal line created the Abyss Order. We don't know too much about what Irmin did or whatnot, but we know his name is Irmin. He's a king of K-Town, and we also know he only has one eye. Irmin is actually another name for "Odin," which coincidentally, has a very specific story. In order to gain the power to control fate, Odin hung himself from the world tree and lost an eye. If we fast forward and take a look at the quest item we got from the Sumeru archon quest, the branch reads: "Trees also symbolize widsom. In one of the legends, a sage hanging upside down on a tree had acquired the knowledge of how to inscribe runes and control sacred words, and thus followedt he kingdom established along the tree's roots, eventually gaining a glimpse into the secret of the cosmos." You see how the description matches the story of Odin? From this, we can hypothesize that the sage was King Irmin who gained cosmic knowledge from the irminsul and taught it to K-Town. Revisiting "Irmin = Odin" (who has one eye, and was the king of K-Town), we also know that there were royal knights serving him. If we go into the chasm, coincidentally, we find that the royal knights of K-Town are an enemy type, and drop a very particular item that was featured in the video, the Statuettes, which are literally Irmin's face, the king with one eye. The description of these items are also very interesting. Let's focus on the rarest drop: "A one-eyed carving that emanates an ominous energy, with no indication of what it's made of. As you gaze upon this idol, you can almost hear a strange, conforting whisper... 'See my child. All that lies under the throne of heaven shall be destroyed by upheavel. The eternal peace of the pitch-dark void shall embrace us all.'" *A STRANGE AND COMFORTING WHISPER* Where have we heard this before? From the Sinner. The Sinner, IMO, is King Irmin. King of Khaenri'ah who gained immense knowledge from irminsul. All Khaenri'ah citizens bow and feel comfortable when his presence is around. *Even Dainsleif is affected.* And why? Because he's a pure-blood Khaenri'an. Hence, that's why I believe the voice from the crystal, is Irmin. Irmin, the Sinner.
If you hear the CN voice, it is indeed King Irmin because of the way he talk. The EN voice make it sound so evil but the CN voice is someone feeling guilty and not deserve the bow of the khaenriah people.
Goddammit I love when people put so much effort into theories, this sounds really solid. Sadly we will have to wait months or probably a whole year to hear back from Dainsleif...
Like Mona had revelated. Kaeya may think that he has broken away from his past. But sooner or later, fate will catch up with him. And when it does, he will have to make choice that will alter his life forever.
Gonna go out on a limb and say I don't think Chlothar's truly dead. Given his rather disturbing fascination with the Cryo Abyss Herald, I think that after founding the Abyss Order, he went on to perform experiments with Abyssal energy, eventually finding a way to rid himself of the curse by shedding his human form and becoming an Abyssal monster. And he later taught his followers to do the same. And I think he's still alive and leading the Order from the shadows in service of the entity, or "Sinner" as it's called while the Sibling leads the front lines as the face of the Order.
Or, Kaeya's father knew Gold who was a member of Hexenzirkel, since Gold created the abyssal monsters like the Rifthounds and Durin. And if someone from Diluc's clan was a member of Hexenzirkel, it'd make sense for Gold to suggest the Dawn Winery to be the place to send Kaeya to, who knows.
@@farhanrejwan I don't think that is the case because if we consider Kaeya's father to be a descendant of Chlothar it would suggest he came at a later time than Gold when she was in Khaenriah which means he'd have to meet her during her time in the Hexenzirkel but it doesn't seems likely Gold would interact with any Khaenriahn after her being partly blamed for the cataclysm.
This is what i assume/ think of too...possible his father does not wamt kaeya to be crumpled with the abyss and tried to find the nation firthest from sumeru. (Inazuma might be inaccessible due to the vision hunt decree) and the furthest he could by foot is mondstadt.
@@yuki97kira makes sense why mondstadt was the first choice, but the vision hunt decree was a thing for only just one year in total until traveler stopped it, meaning it started long after kaeya was already grown up.
8:37 Remember how our Traveler makes 2 possible explanations for this on their mind: either something's wrong with their own memories, or something/one had done something on their sibling to change their nature and make them "belong" to this world And perhaps what that mystery voice (Nicole) said is relevant too: to believe only what they see with their own eyes So right now, I won't take "our sibling belonged to this world" as a raw fact, only as a "mystery" for now
I thought that Caribert becoming "the Loom of Fate" means he succeeded taking over the sibling's body and mind, while keeping their memories. Thus, he'd recognize the traveler, continue to run the Abyss Order and still being recorded by the Irminsul as the sibling. If that's the case, then we may have to fight our sibling in the end to make them free of Caribert's control and the abyssal powers, so that they can regain their consciousness. But this part is just my speculation.
@@farhanrejwan It's unlikely that a child who just woke up from a curse seeing his body transformed into a monster and being so hasty to take his life because he saw his reflection is understanding enough to not only take over the sibling's body but execute the abyss order missions and play the sibling part of the traveler this perfectly. His dialogue from what i've experienced shows him to be innocent and sensitive which is clearly the opposite behavior compared to the sibling.
Yeah, with the evidence we have so far, it doesn't seem like there's wrong with the Traveler's memories (I mean, at most they might be a bit fuzzy after so much time; but they try to remember more all the time so...), so I think that something happened to the Abyss Sibling.
I liked the theory that the sibling was killed during the cataclysm and reborn using the power of Alchemy by Gold. This would explain why that crystal thing would call the sibling as 'like a flower, born in sin, but pure, spotless'. You know, like, the thing about Albedo's alchemy is somewhat related to flowers and such, even his power is. You may argue that why did Gold say in the Windbloom quest that 'Of all the children she had, only one remains? But we know that both Albedo and the fake Albedo still exist, so her claim is not as reliable. Or perhaps, she didn’t view the cloned Sibling as her child but simply as a creation. Dain did mention that the source of Albedo's power (alchemy) is tied to the destruction of Khaenri'ah. So, it could be related the clone sibling or not, but Dain doesn’t remember well now because of erosion.
I really like the idea that Khaenri'ah was destroyed and cursed because the Abyss sibling tried to harness the power of the Abyss for Khaenri'ah's attempt to wrest control of Teyvat from Celestia/the Seven. The Seven were summoned to Khaenri'ah and were forced to destroy the nation, as Celestia's dogs. Celestia then cursed the survivors, and since the Seven were there it made it seem as though they were behind the curse. I also love the idea that the Abyss sibling is part of the Abyss Order because of their guilt and their kind heart, similar to the Traveler's. They feel responsible for failing Khaenri'ah so they want to make things right. Notice that they do not directly challenge or oppose the Seven, and rather focus their attention on strengthening the Abyss Order and waging war against Celestia itself. Perhaps the Twin knows that the Seven are not responsible for the Cataclysm, so focusing their attention on petty revenge is just a waste of time. Also - perhaps the "thing" that turned the Abyss sibling into a "being of Teyvat" rather than a Descender, was their usage of the Abyss' power. As we know, the Travelers both used Light elemental powers during their eternal journey through the stars. As we know from the opening cutscene, both siblings still used this element as their primary means of power when they fought The Unknown God. It can be assumed that the Abyss sibling switched over to using the Abyss as their main source of power after this event, which then marked them as "being of Teyvat" and eliminating their origin as a Descender.
> sibling tried to harness the power of the Abyss for Khaenri'ah's attempt to wrest control of Teyvat from Celestia/the Seven. Why they used power of Abyss initially, instead of their own Light elemental powers? To me it seems strange that Khaenri'ah summoned otherworldly beings to Teyvat to wrest with Celestia, who IS extremely sus, and make them use Abyss power. If this Abyss power is something others can use, why they need Siblings? Also it seems strange that Siblings, being otherworldly beings don't know that happens to Teyvat , since they could seen it from "outside". To me it seems like Celestia blocked off part of "something" bigger and imposed her own total control over it, creating Teyvat. And Abyss magic is just something "normal" from outside, but since Celestia like "override" laws of nature that worked "outside" Teyvat, it "melts" her own pet reality. And "outside" isn't a "bad" place since our Siblings most likely won't help Khaenri'ah to break free if outside was a horrible place. Also the punishment Khaenri'ah suffered and how she forced Archons to do horrible things, imply that Celestia isn't a benevolent being at all.
Could Khaenri'ah's single "original" bloodline be that of a Descender? Hence why they're considered "greater sinners"... maybe that immortality curse was Celestia's way of marking them as foreign and forbidden from entering Teyvat's cycle of life and death (the leylines).
It is still remarkable what Scaramouche revealed as information provided by the Jester, Royal Mage of Khaenri'ah: namely that the sibling came to Khaenri'ah from the heavens in response to a summoning, and lived there for a while. Note: he said THE SIBLING, not THE TWINS
IIRC Siblings came to the world together, but the Traveler was asleep for some reason while the Abyss Sibling was doing some stuff and saw the Cataclysm. Then The Abyss Sibling woke the Traveler up and they tried to escape Teyvat together, when the Sustainer stopped them.
Adding a few points regarding to the quest here: - There was one moment when Paimon asks the Traveller about his journey pre-Teyvat and his answer was very suspicious and untrustworthy narratively. His memories could be altered. But then again, he is a Descender and immune to memory wipe so there are a lot of loose ends here. - As from the information from the Fatui, Descenders information have a critical relation with the fact that "the sky of Teyvat is fake," so if we know more on this, we can understand why they Fatui consider Traveller as a Descender but not the Abyss Sibling. - There is more foreshadowing Paimon will leave someday. - In the domain, the are statues that seem to imply Primordial One and its Shades, but one of them was broken - In Battle Pass cutscene (Gnostic Chorus), it really seems like the Princess is the Abyss Sibling, the Kingdom is Khaenriah, the Snake is the "Sinner," the Pearl is some kind of knowledge or whatever Khaenriah's goal, and the second heir is the Traveller. - In the Pale Princess book, we have the Night Mother as the "source of all sins" and from both information from Rhinedottir and Kaeya's voiceline on Fishcl, they are the "great sinner" and "sinner." "Sin" is probably about using the Abyss power. - In the first Windblume event, Kaeya knew hilichurl's language and wrote a poem. Venti probably also knows something about Kaeya but doesn't share it to us.
I think Kaeya is a Descendant of Caribert instead, the Loom of fate is passed to him. I still think Kaeya's hidden eye has normal pupil while his exposed eye is Khaenriahn signifying a half blood connection.
13:59 I once read a theory, I believe it was by ChillWithAster iirc (one comment says Ashikai, which is probably correct, I do not remember which one it is from so both are listed here), that suggested that the reason the Fatui covered their eyes/at least one eye, was to be able to use the power of a delusion without eroding their mind. Whenever Diluc and Childe use their delusions, they're always wearing a mask that either covers, or surrounds, their eyes. Crepus didn't wear one when he died, nor did Teppei or the other Inazuma soldiers, and it either eroded them or killed them near instantly. I believe that Khaenri'ah's curse functions sort of similarly. Dainsleif covers the skin round one of his eyes, and Kaeya completely covers one. Now Kaeya's could genuinely be an eye injury, but it could also be there to protect his mental state/soul from erosion due to the curse, which is why I believe Dainsleif wears that partial mask. Chlothar did not wear a mask, and as such, started losing his mind. Pierro also wears a mask covering half of his face, and if you notice, Kaeya, Dain, and Pierro all cover the same eye. Not sure what the link is here, but I'm certain it is relating to protection - whether from the powers of a delusion or from Khaenri'ah's curse.
we do know that kaeya's eye was injured during his fight with diluc and is hinted to have a scar. but he also mentions that it is not blinded and that he thinks he tricked diluc into thinking that he blinded his eye. it was in the hahwnfhsinwhrjfnsbruf (forgot the name) event with all the letters and shit, and we read a letter from kaeya
@@yulinn. Hidden Strife. Also, you're misremembering what the thing with Diluc is. Diluc sent Kaeya a letter basically saying "why did you start wearing an eyepatch? I know you can still see perfectly." Kaeya doesn't respond.
I still suspect that the sibling isn't actually the "original", but rather an imitation that was created by writing specific information into Irminsul, basically coding him/her into the world, which explains the inexplicable appearance in history. However, I suspect that either Celestia or the Heavenly Principles were behind this, while keeping the original safe. The fake sibling was supposed to infiltrate Khaenri'ah to find out about their plans, and when it turned out that they were attempting to gain forbidden knowledge from The Abyss and The Sinner, the sibling was planted as a saboteur, triggering the chain of events that would then lead to the cataclysm. This, in turn, would be a suitable excuse to assemble the gods to strike against the only nation that wasn't under Celestia's rule yet - the nation with no god, somehow capable of standing opposed to Celestia. But for unknown reasons, the fake sibling broke free of Celestia's shackles, albeit too late. Maybe The Sinner freed him/her with his powers, just like he seems capable of undoing the curses afflicting Khaenri'an's, by averting the preordained fate. And now, the fake sibling, unaware of his/her nature as a fake, travels the world to repent for the Cataclysm, by assisting the Abyss Order in overthrowing Order itself. To prevent such a thing from happening again, You, the Traveler is sent to Teyvat to stop the sibling. But by still being the actual Traveler, you aren't bound by the laws of fate, so The Sinner might not be able to change your fate and manipulate you since you're not a part of Teyvat, but a Descender. This might be a risky gambit, as you can potentially oppose Celestia of your own volition - so the "original" of your sibling remains in Celestia's hands as leverage, should you ever step out of line. The only ones who could guide you on your path, are the other Descenders, but that entirely hinges on their identities and own intentions.
According to what you say about "the only ones who could guide the traveler are the other descenders", Paimon should be one as well, it explains why she is one of a kind, nobody has ever seen something like her in the world and she never talks about her origins. This would make sense even if she never heard of the Descenders before, as she said to Nahida during the end of her archon quest, since this term is classified information in the Fatuis record and someone from another world wouldn't even know that they are marked as such by some organization. About her memories maybe Paimon lost hers just like the Traveler did when she woke up that day in Mondstadt, or maybe she's being lying after all.
@@shaezy19 If she really was a Descender, Nahida would've most likely known - the issue simply is that nobody took the opportunity to investigate, so we have no specifics on whether Paimon belongs to Teyvat of not. And Paimon knows nothing about her own origins, either. It's possible that she's exactly what she claims: a guide. Possibly a guide created by Celestia to keep an eye on the Traveler, but without memories or knowledge inferring such a connection to prevent us from growing suspicious. Alternatively, Paimon was created by a Descender to support us. Either side likely would've programmed Paimon to not question her origins to prevent distracting us. However, if we took the things Paimon does as actual abilities and not just quirky mascot stuff, Paimon would have the ability to transcend time, and observe alternate realities: she always turns towards the camera as if looking at us during the Pause Menu, and even speaks to us through the Volume Settings, including getting annoyed when moving the slider back and forth too much. This might suggest Paimon was created by a VERY powerful being. And that's a whole new can of worms...
The Second Who Came idea actually makes a lot of sense. If it were the case, it would provide a plausible solution for a lot of plot holes (not saying that it is the case). The three moon sisters (presumably shades) once lived together in harmony, but due to the forbidden cursed love between a seelie, who is cursed to not love, and an "outlander" (second who came), the three moon sisters perished (three shades died). Naturally this would be seen as a disaster by the primordial one, and this could easily spark conflict, where the primordial one wins and chains the Second. Prior to the Second Who Came, Mankind lived as a utopian single civilization (for the most part). Main point was that there was very little conflict. Second who Came descends and starts a massive war that sends Enkanomiya into the Dark Sea and destroys many existing civilizations in what is theorized to be the Archon War. It is never said that the Second Who Came hated mankind, nor that he intentionally instigated the war, but if he were the cause of the war and the destruction of so much life, he would call himself a Sinner. However, after the Archon War was when the game first mentions erosion, corruption, decay, etc (the workings of the abyss). The abyss could be the result of the curse unleashed by the forbidden union between outlander and seelie. All civilizations that ever dared to learn about the abyss were destroyed. However the Second Who Came (if we assume that he unintentionally caused the war, and didn't purposefully try to destroy everything) would have been furious if he knew the Primordial One was just killing civilizations for finding out about the abyss, after all the existence of the abyss isn't the fault of humans, so they shouldn't pay with their life for a crime that isn't theirs, so the Second gives the fallen a chance to go against the Primordial One using the Power of the Abyss, by letting those who devolve into Hilichurls live on with his power, and when the Khaenri'ans come around he lends them the power to fight back. Ofc this is still speculation, and a major hole that exists is the origin of the abyss itself: whether the voice was locked inside a pre-existing abyss, or if my speculation is right and the abyss was the result of a forbidden love.
Taking into account Genshin's parent story Honkai part 1 finale, the stories are meant to be mirrors of one another. The idea of fates/fixed routes written by the stars seems to be similar to how every being in Honkai world ended up having a fixed route due to Finality every 50 thousand years cycles. It was until Elysia descending onto Earth, with the authority of Origin, gives a partial chance to break the loop.
Based on my interpretation of the lore, it seems that while the Primordial One was fighting off The Second Who Came with the use of the divine nails, one of the nails caused the moon goddesses' lunar carriage to crash into the hall of stars. The moon sisters then fought each other to the death for some unknown reason despite their equal love for each other. The Goddess of Flowers said this in the description of Amethyst Crown: "And though the invaders brought war to my former kin, they also brought about illusions that could break through shackles to the land." "But the master of the heavens, consumed by fear for the rising tide of delusion and breakthroughs, sent down the divine nails to mend the land, laying waste to the mortal realm..." The description of Nilotpala Lotus states, "But the arrows that tore the skies apart would shatter the gems that adorned the most ethereal of vehicles, and the people would behold the visage of the sovereign of the moonlit nights no longer." Most of the story is written in "Moonlit Bamboo Forest," which suggests that all three sisters died. However, the story in the description of Moonpiercer suggests that only two died and the other locked herself up in her palace. Some parts of the entire story of the moon goddesses do need to be taken with a grain of salt. According to Enjou and Tsumi (from the Three Realms Gateway Offering event), the people of Byakuyakoku (Enkanomiya) believed that there were three realms: the Light Realm (Vishap Realm), Human Realm, and the abyssal Void Realm. The Human Realm only existed when the Primordial One came into the picture. Personally, I believe the other two realms coexisted like how light and darkness can be perceived as two sides of the same coin. Although it could be possible that when The Second Who Came invaded, it brought the Abyss with it. Maybe that's the "illusions" that the Goddess of Flowers was referencing?
May as well say the outlander come and make forbidden love with one of the shades and so the second one is actually order by outlander's powerful family clan to punish such love to punish primordial one on not stopping such love affair.
Interesting theory, but there were 4 Shades and they are part of the Primordial One, one of which we know is Istaroth (The Shade of Time). So the three moon sisters who lived in harmony being Shades doesn't add up. Unless one of the Shades perished long before them which is impossible as Raiden Makoto used Istaroth's power during the cataclysm 500 years ago.
21:06 That's a really interesting note, I've never seen anyone mention this. I assumed the "Sinner" was talking to our Traveler since Dainsleif mentions at the end of the quest that the Sinner is not bound by time. But if that was actually said to our sibling and they bowed down, this makes this a lot more interesting and kind of creepy
It's Interesting the Eide in EN version is most likely on a verge of Madness,or Psychopath While the JP version portrayed him more in a Fatherly yet Emotionally unstable. the actor of EN really did a good job for this quest.
I use JP because I don't understand the language But I understand english and play my game in french, and it's stress me out that the dialogue don't match perfectly lol@@manoharalisa5829
At the time, Lumine used to cry in her sleep when having dreams about her brother, but when they finally meet after who knows how long apart, there is almost no emotion on her face. In that trailer where we see the Abyss Mage tell Lumine that they were stopped by Aether, she ran to see him but instead of going to meet him, she just watches from afar, turns around and goes back to focusing on her mission. I just find it weird that, if she cared about her brother so much and considering their connection, why wouldn't she ask him to join her and help her achieve her goal?
I just finished this quest today, and it REALLY got me. In the cave, I just ran from the hilichurls cause I didn't want to kill them, and I even switched my main's glider from the mondstat to the original black because it just felt WRONG to be showing off a symbol of one of the archons in there.
Thanks for mentioning that translation from the CN original. It seems to confirm a feeling I've had about Khaenri'ah for a while now. I'm thinking that these curses (immortality/wilderness) aren't curses at all. I think the rulers of Khaenri'ah at some point decided to take on Celestia to take over the world (or for whatever reason really), and they purposefully tried to tap into the power of the abyss. The immortality could even have been the point (feels a bit like a deal with the devil, to then be turned into a demon). That the non-purebloods didn't become immortal could be because they had protection from the Seven still on them that changed the effect of the abyssal energy. I can imagine celestial power and abyssal power interacting to have some weird effects. The ordinary people of Khaenri'ah wouldn't necessarily know what the ones in power were up to when they basically opened the floodgates of hell, so to them it would ofcourse seem like a curse, especially after Celestia intervened to stop the spread of abyssal monsters pouring out of Khaenri'ah after it all went horribly wrong.
Seriously. after this quest this is something i've been thinking too. The traveler and his sibling, arrived in teyvat, but not a smooth arrival. They actually crashed, and were severely wounded both of them. However the traveler wounds were heavy but none mortal and he would heal with time but he went into a state of coma, the sibling however was no so lucky. The sibling was also heavely wounded, but would die soon or later. Khaenri'ha people found them and took them in, to heal one and save the other. However saving the sibling was beyond possible now so they decided to put the "primordial human project" to the test. Probably in the past, the "primordial human project" had issues, like, it was possible to created and human body in perfect conditions, flesh and body would be perfect, but not the mind. They maybe were not able to perfectly synthesise a mind, and thanks the the sibling, this was the very moment, they made the breakthrough. Using Khemia, they made a new vessel of the sibling, a teyvat made vessel, and also using khemia, perharps, they somehow scanned the siblings mind and soul, and transfered it into the new body, thus then making the Irmensul see the sibling and a being born in teyvat, and orinal from teyvat. Or else, knowing how the writers at hoyoverse are terrifying to us sometimes, it also might have gone the bad way, meaning that they actually scanned the sibling mind and soul, made a copy of it, and paste the copied mind and soul into the vessel, allowing them to study and perfect the "primordial human project" while the original sibling died, the vessel is still there, perfect copy, a clone, made in teyvat, with both memories and powers from the original, which in return made the irmensul see it as a being born in teyvat. Basically the original dies, but the clone being a perfect clone with the very same powers and memories, nobody can notice it, only the irmensul and those who were part of the project and just like Albedo, this could mean that if our sibling is a Khemia made clone or transfigured mind and soul version, this means that somewhere in her body, there must be a small "star" shaped mark just like Albedo has it on his neck. This is for now just specullations but this explains very well why the irmensul registered the other sibling a teyvat originary and so did Pierre only note the traveler as a descender. Sorry for the long post... But now seriously, Will Ying'er move to Mondstadt to live with Timeaus ? This is the big question :D
This possibility would make the first Albedo quest way back in Dragonspine release super interesting, as Albedo tests traveler and even makes a potion from them to study his outworldly properties.
This would be heartbreaking for the Traveler, but makes sense and unsurprising. This theory could be a way of saying that throughout the Traveler's journey in Teyvat, they have already found a new family but don't fully realize it because they are still chasing their 'original' sibling.
it doesn't fully make sense because it doesn't seem like the sibling was recorded in irminsul until after the twins tried to flee from teyvat after crashing there the first time when the cataclysm started, since there's no information about them trying to flee teyvat. also, if they had cloned the sibling after they landed in teyvat initially, there's no real reason for them to have tried to escape with us, khaenri'ah would've just kept the sibling with them.
i know how its ends but for timaeus he fell in love with asian girl so...i think he can left the monstadt alchemy table to sucrose and albedo then go abroad to use alchemy table in liyue instead so he can live with ying'er together in her shop over there by working together 😂👌 they can make more mora that way
Sumeru being near Khaenri'ah may also be the reason why they sent heelp during the first outbreak of the Abyss during the time of King Deshret.... If we look back at what happened that time, when the abyss first poured out monsters ran rampant across the desert and was spreading. Rukkhadevata erected the wall of Samiel to stop the spreading of the abyss to the forest and contained the abyss outbreak in the desert... she then proceeded to help Deshret in getting rid of the abyss and the monsters... however, there was a third party that helped Deshret.. that was the nation of Khaenri'ah.. all the golems found in the desert were actually remnants of their army that they sent to help deshret fight the abyssal monsters.. it would make sense that they would send help if their nation was indeed near Sumeru then their nation would also be at risk of an invasion.
I believe Anemo Archon's statue has a different inscription when it was first erected but after the Lawrence Clan plunged Monstadt into Aristocrat oppression, the statue was taken down and all related things to the Anemo Archon is banned to be read or learned about. After Lady Vanessa successfully taken down the power of the Lawrence Clan over Mondstadt, the statue was rebuilt anew. Nobody knows what was the original inscription is, thanks to the damage done by the oppression, then the people just wrote "Gateway to Celestia" there. Perhaps, it was meant to dedicate it to Lady Vanessa herself who was able to ascend to Celestia? All thanks to the Anemo Archon's help. Or it could be because of how religious to the gods and oblivious to the truth Mondstadters are.
9:55 i think the sibling was sent actually BEFORE the cataclysm, since his or her goal is to recover the homeland, plus makes sense she or he is the princess or prince of khanreah by living there before cataclysm
Time is a very fickle thing, I don’t think we as viewers get to speculate on it just yet, especially bcuz right now we have nothing to hint at the sibling specifically being sent to the past. Also “recovering the homeland” would make more sense *after* said homeland is destroyed or brought to ruin or something. So yeah right now no time travel
I hope our Twin was resurrected after dying from the Abyss instead of Being a Clone of the Traveller because that would imply that all our memories of them as we travelled together are fake. 😭
No it wouldn’t. Those memories would still be perfectly real, the only thing that isn’t would be the person that the traveler shared those memories with (bcuz their dead, obviously)
I feel like the purple triangle is actually caribert himself. That IS the loom of fate. As we see in the quest, it has the power to manipulate fate itself and changes the fate of Alberich, Caribert and possibly the traveler themselves, that is something that the "loom of fate" can do. As the loom of fate or "him" as addressed by dainsleif, transcendes time and space, this loom of fate could be another caribert, who changes the fate of this caribert and this basically goes on in a cycle. As Clothar said: "the power of the loom of fate and the one inside caribert is the one and the same". This does indeed suggest that caribert is looping and becoming the loom of fate, then changing his own fate in the past which again, becomes a new loom of fate.
26:06 - Further info about that said curse can be found entering the Giant Golem at the Valley of Dahri, near the entrace to the main hall, there will be a Ruin guard to your right, and to your left,a pile of sand wich has a piece of note written by someone describing said curse in it. You can spot it as it emits a blinking light just like any collectible.
Interesting thing to note is that in the archive it says hilichurls were recorded in the continent of Tevyat for over a thousand years. It was just after the Cataclysm that they were found in multitudes all across the land. So hilichurls already existed before the Gods or rather Celestia cursed the people of Khaenriah. It also suggests that they were not present during the archon war (maybe or maybe not cause the archive says 1000+ years). So the question where did these og hilichurls come from and who created them?
Maybe it’s the curse from the second throne. I think the Primordial One is the good guy here and the second usurper/fake sky/retainer are the bad guys who destroyed the first civilization, tampered with history using the Irminsul, and turned everyone into hilichurls so the secret/forbidden knowledge will be kept hidden. Maybe Khaenriah suffered the same fate because they know the real story and true history has been revisioned.
We can't really confirm if what all nahida said is true because she is just speculating. I remember that she mentioned that heavenly principle is the first who came but in reality it was phanes, the primordial one. And wanderer/scara couldn't find anything about the sibling in the irminsul despite (not sure if this is right) having parts of irminsul which made him able to read it like nahida. For some reason nahida found some info about our brother. Who's to say that maybe living a certain amount of time can cause irminsul to record someone or maybe it was a record from someone's pov. I'm just coping here cause I don't want the sibling to be a clone that doesn't feel right at all 😭
What if Abyssal Mages attacks look like Kaeya’s burst because it’s Alberich clan magic? Since they founded the order, it’s likely that its first members would be from the clan, and then they taught it to their recruits? We already knew he spent a substantial amount of time with his birth family before getting adopted by Diluc’s. And since Diluc’s dad and Diluc had prior ties with the Fatui, maybe the reason why the Alberich had Kaeya stayed with the Ragnvindr had something to do with that? I also agree with the old conspiracies about the Fatui having somerhing to do about the matters with the Heavenly Principles and his bit about his grandfather retrieving the Traveller’s weapon might actually not be just some tales. He probably did or did not lie about that and was told that story because it became a family heirloom that haven’t yet made an appearance? I wish I paid as much attention during calculus.
I think the “Loom of Fate” is something tied to the Abyss order twin(obviously), someone is weaving their fate to change how the story is supposed to be, when you google about the loom off fate it is best to have *THREE* mages/magic-users, implying that there might be three people weaving the life of one mortal, the other twin in the story, and they cannot change their fate, the only way to stop them from controlling them is to directly destroy the loom of fate. This is just a speculation and just based off my thought process and researching, it’s also just a theory so sorry if this ends up being confusing. 😅
This is such a good quest bcuz it leaves a lot to build off from for the next quest dealing with the abyss and khaenriah and all that jazz. I don’t wanna say anything to definitively so I’m not gonna, but only one thing. I feel like this quest provided further insight that albedo was most likely created with the abyss sibling in mind, or as like a muse. Basically how khaenriah viewed the abyss twin as a perfect being, rhinedottire wanted to see if she can replicate them.
It kinda sucked that they showed the founder of the order to be a normal looking npc fella. I get that he can't be a playable character but he could have had his own design atleast.
In my perspective, the Abyss, presumably the Second who came is not inherently evil. It is described being a form of "truth" that can alter fate. Despite Tevyat living in peace under the rule of Celestia, again presumably the First, it seems Teyvat's "fate" or ending is something sealed and Celestia wants to keep it that way - Hence the conflict between Celestia and Abyss starts. It could be the civilization of Khaenriah wants to break Tevyat's sealed fate that's why they used Abyss' power and knowledge. From Celestia's view it's a rebellion, from Khaenriah, it's revolution. The Fatui/Tsaritsa wants to do the same as Khaenriah, to defeat Celestia without the help of Abyss. It's all gray really.
0:54 Eleazar and Withering are connected to the forbidden knowledge corrupting Irminsul through Rukkhadevata's remains inside the tree I thought this was made explicit already
Yes, but where did the forbidden knowledge come from? It most likely came from the abyss or the decenders, and specifically was used in sumeru/came from somewhere close to sumeru. It is a good question to as which why only sumeru was (previously) affected by the withering and Eleazer.
@Ayda What we know is that the forbidden knowledge appeared during the cataclysm and corrupted Rukkhadevata and Irminsul, and that it's the "truth from the bottom of the Abyss" Yeah, since Khaenriah was close to Sumeru and it's where the Cataclysm happened, the forbidden knowledge might've come from there and then came to Sumeru
yeah and the forbidden knowledge came during the cateclysm again and the cateclysm happened in khanreah so maybe the forbidden knowledge came from khanreah as khanreah is nation of technology
Y’know, in the part where we first encounter the Sinner, the Sinner says, “You are like a flower born in sin yet pure, spotless…” If we take this as dialogue meant for the sibling, then this is my theory: Considering that Rhinedottir was considered a sinner for creating a bunch of creatures that would end up trashing Teyvat during the Cataclysm (pretty irresponsible in my opinion. To be frank, I think Rhinedottir really deserved the title of sinner), the “born in sin” part could mean that the sibling really was created by/reborn through the Art of Khemia through Rhinedottir. But if the dialogue was meant for the Traveler, then what if it’s the other way around?
well from recent event we know gold is part of hexenzrekel ( i don't know if the spelling is right or wrong lmao) so its higly possible she could have made an artificial human to take place of sibling and store its memort...then for me in this scenario only 2 things are possible first, sibling died as suggested in the video second they are alive and are kept in prison
I'm quite skeptical on the Gold abyss sibling recreational theory because if she created someone like the traveler's sibling that would be such a huge achievement for her but in her part of the Hexenzirkel cutscene her greatest achievement is mentioned to be Albedo which i don't even think comes even close to replicating a pseudo-descender.
Although GOLD created these things it doesnt mean she was in control of them, given that the abyss order was controlling dvalin; taking control of copies/contructs is probably nothing for them and certainly nothing for the entity in the dark crystal (be it second who came or something else) Its' more than possible the abyss twin is under the influence of "him" in the crystal under dark suggestive powers probably at the exact moment chlothar was empowered. I also think the curse(s) were enacted by him and not the gods.
Also, while watching the part you have about Albedo, I remembered those experiments he did on the Traveler and that very suspicious purple stuff in the bottom of the flask.
13:55 Or, you know, Dain is a pureblooded Khaenriahn and thus kept his body and mind intact rather than becoming a monster like Caribert is? Wonder why you gotta make a speculation with an obvious answer like this one
At my first run through the quest, for some reason, I immediately thought that the book in which the recipe of the medicine was contained was somehow connected with the "forbidden knowledge" that poisoned Irminusul. And that is why it was banned.
Tbh, Kaeya freely speaking to us about Khaenrian's origins is a HUGE improvement compared to what he was before. He usually wouldnt utter even a word about this, What I think was that he most probably wanyed to tell something to the Traveller buit chose not to because of Dainsleif being tgere.
I hc after meeting Dain, Kaeya went straight up to Diluc & share that information with him. "Ayo, remember when I told you I'm from khaenriah? Turns out the lore goes way deeper. IM A DESCENDANT OF THE ABYSS ORDER FOUNDER LMAOO ...My life is a lie & I need therapy."
21:42 "A flower born in sin yet pure, spotless." Yep, that sounds like a homunculus made from Khemia alright. Remember how Rhinedottir has the epithet "a flower that is not of this world"?
My theory is that the Tsaritsa had long since died and that Pierro was the one taking over everything. Venti mentioned that she had cut ties with the rest of the Archons after the cataclysm which might explain why we never see, hear, or know much about her apart from the Harbingers. She wasn't even hinted or seen when they bid their goodbyes to La Signora. My guess is Pierro hid the fact that the Tsaritsa died, took hold of her Gnosis and realized how much power it can give to someone. Given the Khaenri'ahns immortality, it can be assumed that he can sustain whatever damage or corruption the Gnosis has, the same as how Hulk's arm has been corrupted by the infinity gauntlet. The Cryo Archon is known as the God of Love, so it wouldn't make sense for her to do what Snezhnaya is doing, unless someone else took over.
She *used* to be the god of love. If we’re taking childes voicelines into account, she probably realized she needed to take a certain course of action against Celestia and recognized that to do that she can’t have the sympathy she once cherished and has to discard it. A god as powerful as her doesn’t need to be physically present anywhere, bcuz we even see Ei is able to do that although on a smaller scale (when she basically teleported out of nowhere to sneak attack the traveler)
Me and my bestie were WAITING for this!!!!! Loved it, I also came to the same conclusion that Kaeya is not a pure-blood but a descendent of the alberich clan.
So I have a theory. The Sinner mentions that he is not a god, but that he will give them power. What if he put his essence in Caribert, and Caribert became the power that fuels the abyss? And the Loom of Fate project is to turn Caribert into a full fledged god with his power? Caribert is used as a vessel for the power of the abyss, and will end up becoming the god that they’ll use to try and reverse the curse and fight the archons.
since the twin was the prince/princess of khaenriah they might have been cursed along with the rest of the khaenrians. however due to their nature of being a descender their curse could be slightly different from the curse of immortality and the curse of the wilderness(hilichurl curse). maybe the curse they received was that they can never leave this world, to be forever stuck in teyvat? hence when the siblings try to leave the sustainer stops them (let’s say the twin doesn’t know of their curse) and that’s why the irminsul also has records of the twin..
25:35, I assume this is a video that's been in the making for a while? As I think it's also worth mentioning we've now heard Rhinedottir in the Windblume cutscene and yeah, they are absolutely not the same person.
Also, nothing states Dain uses the Abyss's powers to keep himself sane, so I doubt that last point. Hell, nothing even says he has Abyssal powers. Iirc, he only said he *understands* it, and is able to undo one of their seals, but that doesn't really mean much on that front. In all honesty, considering how Genshin often takes the most predictable route to certain mysteries... I'd say he probably uses Leylines to keep sane instead.
Some extras. When the traveler wakes up Dein tells them they had a dream of their "sibling" and not "brother/sister", not giving away that it's a memory of the abyss counterpart. Talking to Chlothar we are given the choice of "some gods are my friends" or "some gods are my rivals". Since the game gives stupid choices at times i didn't think too much of it, but it stroke me as weird since only the Sustainer is a foe and not at the point of "rival", but actually enemy. It was thought cause the abyss sibling at the time was in no friendly terms with any "gods" unlike the traveler. The medicine requires power from the "god of wisdom" does not necessarily refer to Rukkhadevata. Sumeru AND Inazuma's quests have show another possibility. And the most important of all. Caribert removed his mask and saw himself while in the hut. No big explosions or anything dramatic. Just a broken mirror. Then outside he removes his mask and kaboom. What does this imply? That hilichurls hate washing themselves ^__^
I think I said this before, but, I think the voice of Kaeya's father that we heard in the Mondstadt event sounds very similar to Pierro's voice. In fact, I compared it to when Pierro talks to Signora at the end of the Fatui teaser, and both voices sound oddly similar.
I honestly think that the sibling is a puppet, similar to the shogun. That's why they suddenly appeared in teyvat or even why they hadn't obtained the power of elements.
@@manoharalisa5829 I know. Like I said, the sibling wasn't recorded on Irminsul until they suddenly appeared in Khaenri'ah. My assumption is that the only reason the sibling was on Irminsul's records is that after they arrived on Khaenri'ah, they had a puppet created for them and had their consciousness transferred to it. After the puppet went to the abyss, they once again disappeared from Irminsul, as Teyvat seems to reject anything or anyone associated with the abyss. But this doesn't really explain why the MC can feel or access the sibling's memories wherever they go. I suppose if the people of Khaenri'ah could create puppets that could store godly power in them (Scara, Raiden), there's nothing stopping them from getting creative.
Regarding the loom of fate, the turning someone into a mechanized god. It's interesting that it already happened and was accomplished in the Sumeru AQ in the form of Shouko no Kami. I think it's a forwarding. That there already exist a proof of concept and that proof of concept was working. So the abyss could likely try to do the same.
Out of topic but not gonna lie, Eide's VA did a great job. If only Hoyoverse shows another animations that really goes with his emotions, not just standing with closed mouth and basic conversation animations etc. It's kinda hard to explain lol.
Whoa, Dainsleif said "weave your destiny anew" in that old story teaser trailer a couple years ago. Just like Clothar said of Caribert. He was talking about the traveler. Will we become the loom of fate?
I belive that the two siblings lived in a different time line but connected with many things in the same time like Dein, he was a common character between the two time line but some how he began to remember things that was happened in the other time, the same goes to the Aranara. also I thing thatthis event happened in the exact same time but in different time line, and the corps are the evidence of the change that happened to the fate
I think the Sibling came by summoned and still got the power, while the traveller isn't. Nahida mentioned that the sibling had travelled the 7 nations. This could mean the sibling once met Piero and also the Tsaritsa's forces and acknowledged the fake sky and the truth that even the God of Wisdom couldn't understand. Which is because she is also under the nature of Teyvat, under the control of Celestia. Judging by the name of Sustainer of Heavenly principles, she must do something to balance peace if she helps Khaenri'ah by bringing the sibling, that mean they must do something against the fake sky. While Khaenri'ah grow stronger by building up more population, the Heavenly started to curse them who have blood with Teyvat people, cuz they're thier children. While Curse can not put directly to those pure blood of Khaenri'ah, so they bless them by the gift of immotality, or like the Knight in the Chasm like Hafdan's being. Rukkhadevata said that while she discovered the core of forbidden knowledge, it came from the bottom of the Abyss, which means King Deshret and King Irmin might have faced the same power. The Forbidden Knowledge can erode Rukkhadevata's soul, this power seems to be the Abyss we called in the present time. Both of the nations are all good with Tech and Mechanism. And these are just my theories...
My guess is Kayea is related to Anfortas the Knight Marshall of Khaenriah. In the event, Kaeya’s father writes that Kaeya should never forget that the Albrechts were the ones to step in when Irmin the one eyed king became indisposed. And the one who stepped in was Anfortas. Meaning it’s quite likely Kaeya is a descendant of Anfortas and not of Clothar.
Kaeya definetely was left in Mondstadt to infiltrate for Khaenri'ah Also, I'm not sure, but I think I remember Chlotar (sorry for the spelling?) calling the abyss sybling "Abyss Prince" not Khaerian, at least in the Spanish translation but I might be wrong So during the cataclysm Celestia called all archons to fight in Sumeru? About why the abyss sybling is not a descender, I think it's because at some point the abyss sybling achieved I think the Aranaras do remember someone helping them not just the Abyss Sybling ... But hey, I think the Abyss Sybling helped them to solve the consecuences of the Cataclism, so after the encounter with the Sustainer of the Heavenly Principles, the Abyss Sybling was casted to Sumeru? And there it helped the Aranaras Definitely the curse is Celestia's fault and the Archons do not agree anymore with Celestia, it's just surprising that Celestia just doesn't care about what's happening, the Archons cutting their ties with them or the Fatui gathering the gnosis... Or perhaps they don't know? But how come? Dainsleif isn't affected by those weird effects of mind because well, he is a pure blooded Khaerian, he is just cursed with immortality, not the lose of one's mind which is the curse that the Hilichurls have... (?) Also wow, in English Chlotar sounds 10 times creepier and crazier than in Japanese Wait, real queston, where is said that Khaerian existed for that long? Pretty sure Caribert's mother died after becoming a Hilichurl since Chlotar said he watched them both become monsters What's in that place where we saw the Great Sinner nowadys? I need to check that place to see if the entrance is looked or something Could it be that the Abyss Sybling actually bow down? Or was it talking to the Hilichurls? That would explained the "Born in sin, yet pure, spotless" since Hilichurls (Not pure-blood Khaerians) do not have any fault of the Great Sin that Khaeriah was judged for About the Great Sinner I've seen theories that afirmed that voice is the last king of Khaerian... And about the Sinner seeing the traveler I don't think it necessary means the voice has some "time powers" but it was the Sinner who made the Traveler see those memories, after all if the Abyss Sybling decided to join the Abyss after learning the Truth of this World, why wouldn't be the same for the Traveler? Maybe it showed the memories in order to bring the Traveler to the Abyss' side as well About The Primordial One vs The Second who Came... How do we know who won? And that's it, I'm sorry for the long text and thannks if anyone reads this, just some random thoughts and questions that I have while watching this, great video btw
I find the idea of "the Sinner" being Gold highly unlikely, since Alice knows/knew her which means she couldn't have been imprisoned in a crystal five centuries ago. I like IslandXD and Ashikai's theory that it's King Deshret.
That'd be interesting but I find it weird that they'd just use an existing character instead of a new one. I'm coping that it's the Abyss as an entity itself, since it was sometimes referred to as a person.
idk but i still believe that somewhere in the hoyo timeline otto apocalypse is the one who made the siblings, he also infuse durandall dna to them for superhuman power then sent them out to explore the universe 😂 maybe khaenriah did some modification to the other siblings 500yrs ago so they can control the abyss,while doin so makes the irminsul can acknowledge one of the twins, while the one that player chose to play with is the one that still have the original dna from otto wich explained why we can scan every element in the game by touching the statue and utilize them just like how otto can copy all 12 god weapon with his power in honkai✌️
In the chasm Dainself mentions that the ruins there are not of Khaeni'ah, but then contradicts himself saying there was a similarity but said ruins but they predated Khaeni'ah. Its quite possible there was a Old Khaeni'ah that was destroyed around the time Enkonomiya and such were separated from the world, back when Phanes found the second. In which case, its possible that the people of Khaeni'ah remained loyal to the forgotten Phanes, while the second who came replaced them, and rather than trying to take over the world, they are trying to free theirself. Also, seeing as how the sibling was sealed in Khaeni'ah until the catacylsm, their release can very much be connected with what Khaeni'ah did. As for the Abyssal area, the walls were similar to Enkonomiya's.
Apparently Barbatos sympathizes with the Hilichurles, cuz he wants to write songs for them, he wants to be friends with them...That seems, He's a trully peacemaker
Something tells me that " the thing " that Celestia feared was " The Abyss " Itself that was manifested when King deshret corrupted his people by accident and since the city of deshret was allies with khaenri'ah, they sent the giant ruin guards that were more vehicles of war than sentient robots like the current ones. After dealing with the threat, in the journals found inside the first giant there is notion of an infection that afflicted some of the khaenri'ahn soldiers and soon it passed to the ones beneath: this infection could have been The Abyss that we know now that transformed the minds and bodies of some of them before they were cursed by Celestia to perish.
about the existence of heralds and lectors, I think rhinedottir is responsible for that spoiler alert... if you know the herald klingsor, he was formerly a human, but he was turned into an abyss herald under a spell I think rhinedottir is responsible for their transformations into those monsters
Something you didn’t mention, but seemed significant to me, was the fact that Paimon wasn’t with us. Granted, this is probably because the Traveler was experiencing the past via a dream affected by memories from the ley lines. Since everything happened inside the Traveler’s own mind, it would make sense that Paimon wasn’t there. On the other hand, Mihoyo rarely separates us from our little travel guide, and almost never without a reason. It makes me wonder if something different would have happened if Paimon had been with us… such as our encounter with the “Sinner.” It’s been widely speculated that Paimon has SOME sort of connection to Celestia, and it seems very likely that the “Sinner” has a history with Celestia as well, so who knows what might’ve happened if that had come face to face.
20:13 "these monsters are originally from the Abyss" But why would they bear the 8 pointed star "eclipse/blacksun" symbol that Khaenriahns had? Perhaps... because Khaenriah's Blacksun Dynasty has always worshipped/followed/idolized the Abyss from the beginning and adopted said Abyssal symbol as their own?
I think the Sinner might also can be the Primordial One. Because Mihoyo never actually confirmed who won in the battle between 1st and 2nd. This but a crack theory of mine: - The seelie race in their prime (powerful fairy deities) is an ally of Phanes (1ts), Phanes create first human race, and the seelie guided them, teach them, skills, techniques to live, survive ( use fire, craft tools, hunting, plating etc....) . After the war between Phanes and the 2nd broke out , although we don't know who won, yet, but the result is the seelies got banished and cursed, strip of all powers and reduced to the form of little ghosts we see today, if Phanes won, why on earth he kill and curse all of them, his allies... After this, the sole survivor (as we know) was Nabu Malikata, some how she survived the purge, maintained her form and mind but also lost big parts of her powers. Later Nabu Malikata is the one who taught Amun about Forbidden Knowledge. The reason she knows about it is because she once served the one who wield it - Phanes. - The architecture of the first human age (Phanes's era) use the unique grey/gold architecture, very easy to distinct from any nation's architecture of Teyvat today. This structure can be spotted in the inverted city under the Chasm, underground ruins in Fontaine, Enkanomiya and of course the unknown sanctuary where we find the Sinner. - Talk about Enkanomiya, they are the peoples of the first age. Plunged deep down in the fight of their god Phanes and the 2nd. After an ammount of time, Ishtaroth (shade of time) one of four shades of Phanes came down to Enka and helped them build Dainichi Mikoshi. It helped them to live their and told them dont ever try to comeback to the surface before leaving them forever and never return. The people ASSUMED that since Ishtaroth still alive, Phanes must have win. My guess here is, Phanes lost to the 2nd, and Ishtaroth is the last surviving shade - since it's the only shade to answer their cries, all of Phanes human civilization were destroyed by the 2nd - now is Celestia and created anew. Ishtaroth tried to help the last surviving Phanes peoples to live under Enkanomiya and tell them to not return to surface to protect them from the new reign of Celestia, because if they comeback they will all be killed. It then go up and distract the 2nd-Celestia from the zone where Enkanomiya dwell and got killed, thats why it never return to Enka again.Thousands years later Orobashi discovered people of Enka, bring them back on Teyvat, it ask them to change their name to Teyvat's name (specifically Inazuma names) and stood up to take the death sentence for them (and because the knowledge of it about the Phanes's era a.k.a Be4 Sun&Moon) - in the form of waging war against Ei - Shogun. Edit: This all is heavily contrasted with what Apep told us, i know. Because Nibelung sought the Forbiden Knowled - Abyss to fight against Phanes then theres noway Phanes can be the Sinner. But its a crack theory, and who knows, perhaps after thousands and thousands of years, Apep might become a little deranged...?
