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In this episode we are going to recap Game 1 of the NBA finals, talk about where Jokic ranks all time, Suns and Pistons new coaching hires, Saints chances in the NFC, and debate who’s in a better situation between Jordan Love and Justin Fields.
Hosts: Joel Moran, River Brown, Andrew Velez, Joel Dehls
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Intro 00:00
2. Joel asks Riv a Jimmy Butler question about his all-time ranking 04:30
3. Boom fantasy game 2 picks 24:45
4. Riv looks at James Harden’s playoffs 32:00
5. Do the Nuggets have the finals locked up? 41:18
6. Where would Jokic rank all-time with a championship? 01:01:35
7. Shadyrays 01:30:19
8. Pistons hire Monty Williams 01:31:40
9. Suns hire Frank Vogel 01:58:17
10. Ja Morant situation 02:17:51
11. Jimmy Garoppolo 02:37:00
12. Joel addresses Riv’s Derek Carr disrespect 02:46:40
13. Should the Saints be heavy favorites to win a questionable NFC South? 02:56:40
14. Justin Fields or Jordan Love: Who’s in a better position to succeed in 2023? 03:08:17

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@pickaside Год назад

Intro 00:00 2. Joel asks Riv a Jimmy Butler question about his all-time ranking 04:30 3. Boom fantasy game 2 picks 24:45 4. Riv looks at James Harden’s playoffs 32:00 5. Do the Nuggets have the finals locked up? 41:18 6. Where would Jokic rank all-time with a championship? 01:01:35 7. Shadyrays 01:30:19 8. Pistons hire Monty Williams 01:31:40 9. Suns hire Frank Vogel 01:58:17 10. Ja Morant situation 02:17:51 11. Jimmy Garoppolo 02:37:00 12. Joel addresses Riv’s Derek Carr disrespect 02:46:40 13. Should the Saints be heavy favorites to win a questionable NFC South? 02:56:40 14. Justin Fields or Jordan Love: Who’s in a better position to succeed in 2023? 03:08:17

@truthfrancisco7991 Год назад

Jokic can never catch Hakeem wtf. Dream is the greatest defender of all time

@teledanhogan4237 Год назад

I saw Wilt &Bill play. I graduated in 1970 so I’ve seen almost all the greatest players. Skywalker,Iceman ,Dr J we’re my favorites for years .followed by Moses,Dave Cowens,Lew/Kareem Shaq all great in their own ways. To me Jokic is as transcendent as the greatest. His abilities to make players better is beyond anything ever seen in my time. I believe his flaw of rim protection would be covered by the ability to put teammates who rim protect around him. I’d start my team with him over anyone I’ve seen play since playing myself in 1967. Everyone had a flaw and the best defense is great offense. Jokic is the best offensive machine ever and I don’t think it’s close…

@chrismitchell457 Год назад

Can u say prisoner of the moment

@UserName-go7hm Год назад

@@chrismitchell457 he’s averaging a 30 point triple double throughout the playoffs. It’s literally unheard of lol

@sydguitar99 Год назад

@UserName-go7hm it helps that he has Jamal Murray who's a literal flamethrower

@UserName-go7hm Год назад

@@sydguitar99 other players have had “flamethrowers” on their teams and didn’t do this. You can’t downplay a 30 point triple double idc who his teammates are

@KC-824 Год назад

Damn.

@SillySelah Год назад

4 hr episode? Y'all are the best

@youngnebula187 Год назад

Yeah I most definitely appreciate the commitment too

@eazymb. Год назад

I appreciate this 4 hour episode. Y’all know it’s summertime for real. And lot of us ain’t got shit to do if we ain’t at work.

@naughtybandits Год назад

Love this pod. Don’t care if it’s NFL or NBA. Both awesome!

@adonay2800 Год назад

I love the russ respect in the beginning😂 makin me feel good as a russ fan

@miyagifatghost2684 Год назад

Played yoself

@StormCMC 5 месяцев назад

Idk how I keep getting here but every time I fall asleep watching youtube when I wake up it’s on this podcasts. I finally paid attention today. Don’t know who any of you guys are but I enjoyed your content, takes and discussions. Keep it coming💯💯💯

@pickaside 5 месяцев назад

💯💯

@djmbenga3517 Год назад

Feels like a throwback episode. Not live anymore and back to reading the patreon names. W

@LetsPlayerAshe Год назад

I’m so glad y’all a podcast because I follow y’all on TikTok and I really enjoy y’all content, y’all are amazing keep up the great work!

@emariscottmusic Год назад

Just here to say Dehls kills the Boom Fantasy segment every episode it gets better and better it’s become my favorite part of every pod 🫡

@darrengordon-hill Год назад

47:16 GREAT ANALYSIS!! Most coaches "scheme/gameplan" - First A then B then C. Then they adjust during games/series Jokic is very "read and react" - so is rarely trying to enforce "Plan A" - He's literally gonna "take what they give him" on any given possession... They "front" him first play... Jamal immediately turns it into a pick for an easy layup MIA go zone - Joker goes "iso" in his defender (as opposed to some guys that "seek out mismatches") They're sagging on AG? Cuts and lob passes and Euro step bully ball cos out of position Put Bam on him in the post? Go to work, draws fouls NOT "forcing ball into post cos desperate to get Bam in foul trouble" type stuff Doesn't waste shot clok time mindlessly dribbling at half court - that's 17-20secs of assessing the defence and player/ball movement, so they're less panicked with 3secs on the shot clock than many teams THAT'S hard to "adjust" to scheme wise

@jadenlloyd6758 Год назад

we need another episode w OG for the finals🙏🏽

@71SanClare Год назад

Jason Kidd over Westbrook and Paul based on playoff performance alone. Also Wilt won two championships.

@bdownes1234 Год назад

2:30:41 I don’t think they’re understanding Joel’s point on the Ja situation.. a full season suspension might be the only way for Ja to understand it’s not a joke since apparently he didn’t understand the first time. The suspension length will tell us if Adam Silver is a push over or not.

@darrengordon-hill Год назад

TIM DUNCAN IS THE GOAT Only TMac stopped him from being 6-0 (Basketball Gods WERE NOT gonna let him "ride the pine" to a ring)

@Picdd Год назад

joel bringing up james harden’s elimination games 9:24 around the jimmy butler question was so funny, he was ready for harden v. butler III 😂

@rgeezy5748 Год назад

Nah riv getting tight with drew had me crying real tears 😂😂😂 bro wanted to put mits on him

@6ides548 Год назад

I'm taking joker offensively over ANY CENTER in history there's nothing you can do with him

@samhebert7298 Год назад

Saints love on the Pod it’s a miracle

@riles3100 Год назад

reading the names of the patrons just gave me nostalgia

@GeneralEatsMotors Год назад

Riv rides hard for Justin Jefferson lol Calvin Johnson was the most athletic physical specimen I’ve ever seen at wide out.

@teej7777 Год назад

Haven’t even watched yet…Jordan Love clears

@davidanoka-ayembe4258 Год назад

Four hours??? THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT

@Geassed1st Год назад

Wilt was putting up those numbers on hooks and fades if he played like Shaq he’d foul out every game Before you disrespect a legend do your research Joel Wilt couldn’t even use his strength to dominate like Shaq and Bills teams were stacked he averaged 14 on poor shooting

@wuspoppinmayne4364 2 месяца назад

Sabonis just broke the King's franchise for consecutive double doubles (47) and leads the league in triple-doubles. Let's get some Kings talk back! 🤝👑

@drehaynie164 Год назад

This dudes don't realize Wilt played against (90games)Walt Bellamy,(16 games) Lanier, (47 games)Nate Thurmond, (22 games)Elvin Hayes,(19 games) Wes Unseld,(4 games) Macadoo, (55 games)Willis Reed,(17 games) Kareem, and (94 games)Russell. All these dudes are in the HOF.

@darrengordon-hill Год назад

1:02:28 Hakeem is two time FINALS MVP. Only reg season MVP was 94. David Robinson "robbed" him of back-to-back MVPs... then got cooked in the playoffs. And Hakeem doesn't have Jokic's passing numbers... so there's that (Hakeem is all time in blocks)

@kennethkinkel4868 Год назад

I had Jokic 5th all time in Centers just above Malone but kept Wilt in the top 2. I can see your argument on Wilt very thought out I never watched him play and only see stats hard to tell. Jokic is about to enter greatness status! Man what a ride as a 43 year Nuggets fan. Let’s finish this! So excited

@trewavvy6676 Год назад

Docs problem is offensive play calling if pick and roll don’t work then we can’t do anything

@thedigggers Год назад

love yall pod. there's a song called pick a side by Artist Icytwat. could see yall using this for something someday lol

@mrlemonsir5380 Год назад

I think we forget that Jimmy Butler himself said "Playoff Jimmy" isn't a thing and that he's just been hooping

@darrengordon-hill Год назад

That name is the BIGGEST insult I've heard!!!

@kingcastle2000 Год назад

I know Drew be wanting to rip his face off with these damn near 4 he videos, but the streets appreciate it for sure

@np134 Год назад

You guys need to get Legend of Winning for a episode because some of these rankings are wildly inaccurate, Iverson isn't even close to Harden even with the choking.

@jalemjones Год назад

Goatsssssss💙⭐️

@Shortballa11 Год назад

Jkidd 100% is top 5 all time. Lead his team to 2 finals. Supporting cast with 1 ring. All time stats complement him. Became a great 3 point shooter. Triple double machine. Defense on point.

@YoBoyJayden Год назад

Yessir!!! 🔥

@Shortballa11 Год назад

Jimmy career before Miami was stacked. Every year he was in the playoffs. All defense in Chicago. Brought the Wolves to the playoffs for the first time in like 2 decades. And was the go to guy with the Sixers when it came to the clutch. He was head to head with Kawhi and scored the bucket right before Kawhis game winner

@darrengordon-hill Год назад

"Turnovers" is a misleading stat. Cos sometimes you steal the ball and go staright into a fastbreak layup... but sometimes it's a shot clock violation or the ball goes out of bounds, which stops the clock/game while the other team inbounds, allowing the team that turned over to get back on defence Like INTs In NFL. Some are just "change of possession" ("Hail Mary" pass equivalent to a punt) but some result in a "short field" for your opponent to try to score from or worse, points directly. Like, guessing you get fewer pts off a "backcourt violation" turnover than by PG steals at the top of the key..

@jgunna98 Год назад

could someone please tell me what episode did they do the nic claxton who would you rather?

@pickaside Год назад

Episode 250

@darrengordon-hill Год назад

When they say "Jokic needs be better on D"... but have (D)irk ranked above him...

@NarutoManiac300 Год назад

Love the Harden apologist takes from Joel. Gotta balance out the slander.

@michaelwhite4004 Год назад

I think my saints got a good chance we got a lot of question marks but I think we are going to be really good this season and breakout this football season.🏈

@darrengordon-hill Год назад

D12 > Ewing possibly... although he'd likely be a PF in Ewing's era (so too AD and Damo Sabonis) Dwight got a ring but as a reserve 3x DPOY Unsure if either got scoring titles Dwight a journeyman while Ewing is a Knicks icon.. Good debate... But Admiral > both.

@sparkyfister 7 месяцев назад

How do you put Kidd over Kevin Johnson?

@luisfernandonova1488 Год назад

“Wilt or tua” 😭😭😭😭😭

@vcj2729 Год назад

I still cannot get over the Zach Wilson clears Daniel Jones take. I still need that apology.

@jackharrist8180 Год назад

The only adjustment Miami can make is for every player to grow 4 inches and put on 20 pounds of muscle.

@kendallbeltran24 Год назад

I could of sworn Joel said he didn’t like Frank Vogel

@Geassed1st Год назад

The Dwight disrespect needs to stop dude was a tank with a 40 inch vertical Jokic is also playing in an era where stopping centers like him isn’t a priority defensively

@darrengordon-hill Год назад

1:08:25 Used to HAVE to deal with/challenge the center... Now they move them out of the paint by stretching the floor... So we should adjust our views on "centers controlling the paint" Dikembe in the modern game would likely be a washout - "can't guard in space" Most 3s attempted per game IN HISTORY - How are centers supposed to "rack up blocks" on "step back 3s"?? See more "chase down" blocks and "corner 3s" blocked than attempted dunks... now, once you've breeched the perimeter, you've likely an open path to the rim...

@emariscottmusic Год назад

32:37 😭😭😭😭😭😭

@LetsPlayerAshe Год назад

Question though if Jimmy wins a ring this year, is he above Harden? Especially if he plays at a high level

@millert18 Год назад

Why does every podcast have a segment about James Harden lol

@samuelraji8343 Год назад

Hakeen was shooting over Shaq during the Finals and Shaq was bodying Hakeem and dunking. So it would be the same with Kareem but his scoring was way more efficient.

@jephtahcoe Год назад

Zeeeeke!!! Isiah Thomas over Stockton

@montana0091 Год назад

Time stamps pls 🙏🏾

@darrengordon-hill Год назад

51:55 26pts on 13-25 = "master class"??? From a center??? Jokic had 27 on HALF the attempts....

@trustnun_staylow Месяц назад

James over Iverson is crazy

@kadenbass6934 Год назад

Carr over Vick is crazy

@shannonk.6528 11 месяцев назад

Coach Williams wife had breast cancer and he didn't know what the prognosis was which is why he turned down the first offer. It appears she will be ok, so then he took the job. He said in the press conference yesterday the bag was a big factor; he admitted it.

@MrKillian1983 Год назад

No current player belongs on an all time great list. The defense is too soft and it's much easier to score now.

@ifailatblackops1 Месяц назад

Revisit the Westbrook vs kids debate, I genuinely think Russ is a top 5 pg all time and could have easily won his 4th assist title if harden didn’t come to the clippers

@jeremiahsmith7706 Год назад

If you convert Wilt's 50 ppg season and adjust for pace he still averages 40.5 ppg and 20 boards in the modern era. Thats absolutely insane. Joel context bending like crazy right now🤣💀

@pickaside Год назад

No he does not lol

@jeremiahsmith7706 Год назад

@@pickaside in that specific season, per 100, wilt averages 40 in 1962.

@pickaside Год назад

@@jeremiahsmith7706 Per 100 possessions Jokic in the last three seasons is at 38 PPG

@jeremiahsmith7706 Год назад

@@pickaside which is great but modern day basketball is almost right at 100 possessions already since 2022. I think 98? 99? And we see what Jokic is putting up.

@pickaside Год назад

@@jeremiahsmith7706 Yes but Jokic is not playing that many possessions. He's playing closer to 70-80 a night.

@klutchkgotthemic2900 Год назад

2: Big fan!! The reason why i would take Jimmy over harden is the willing to win. He probably won’t have the best #s but you need a stop Jimmy will be on the best player or looking to draw a foul or a clutch bucket. Harden in big games just like these playoffs are passive don’t want that pressure.

@calebwalker5135 Год назад

Wilt chamberlain was a track olympian with touch around the rim these dudes dont no ball

@TheMaxxJanis Год назад

Y’all only put Oscar top 5 for triple doubles n 1 ring, also in arguably a not as competitive era

@whatamidoing4 Год назад

Jokic over Timmy D I’m sorry Timmy was a product of his system jokic is his teams system

@betweendalinesnbapodcast3733 Год назад

if he wins jokic and garnett is still not a argument jesus joel 🤦🏽‍♂

@at8869 Год назад

Comparing the joker to Hakeem with accolades is a disservice too Hakeem Hakeem greatness and as a basketball is way more then just the accolades

@Blender_and_Chirp Год назад

Was Jimmy not all nba and a superstar on the Bulls? Feel like he’s been a superstar since the year after his breakout year around 2015-16 era.

@at8869 Год назад

Jimmy dropped 41 game 1 29 game 2 and then gets injured games 3,4,5 Jimmy played bad but was playing through injury then drops 47 game 6 and 35 game 7 HOW can there be pushback on who played better between Jimmy and JT last year it’s obviously jimmy

@Ant2tufffr Год назад

8:44 perfect lets exempt stockton having no rings and dame not getting one and whoever else got crushed by a dynasty

@klxvd9970 Год назад

Regarding the pistons, Cade would be better at the 2 rather than the three. And move ivey to the one, who’s proven to be a solid playmaker in the nba rn, and still draft a wing to fill in the 3. Cade is not 6’ 8, he’s 6’6

@NarutoManiac300 Год назад

Wilt was an athletic freak, if he played today he would be shaq like or more modern day- Giannis Like. you cant just condense down a completely different game and say that is adding all the context.

@communityevangelist4506 Год назад

That boy in his feelings 😂

@wolf0o01 Год назад

I understand why people would say Jimmy over Harden and it's because Harden to me is like an Allen Iverson in the sense that he looked like a small man giants but peel back the allure of Iverson and Harden you see a man that get's a lot of points on average or below average efficiency. Then when it comes to the playoffs. Jimmy get's Better sometimes slightly or has done the shit he's been doing this year... Destroying teams on paper that he shouldn't win against. And when you look at Harden for the first half of a series he's great the second half dips and sometimes gives you like Ben Simmons like production. Like what the fuck! It's not just in this series with the 76ers he also did that with the Rockets. And another thing Harden does that's similar to Ben Simmons He gives up... Just gives up.

@TEZEM0N Год назад

goat

@darrengordon-hill Год назад

2:30:00 YES RED (apologies, not yet learned all your names)!! "I wanna see Ja play/The NBA is better when Ja plays" IS STAR PLAYER BIAS!!! I've been the NBA since 1992... so if Ja Morant NEVER EVER PLAYED, it wouldn't affect me, as the NBA has an array of players/teams to enjoy... So if he's suspended +40games, THAT'S HIS FAULT!!! "25 games is sufficient because "I" want to see him play" is what got us here in the first place (aka "He's too big a draw to miss the playoffs) - well I'm sorry sirs, but NO MAN is "too valuable"!! If you ground a child for a week, KEEP YOUR WORD!! They'll grow to respect you for it... but if you rescind after 3 days cos there's a party, you're a wishy-washy parent they'll torment for life!! I suspend you for public foolish gun-toting... and you reenact it with a toy gun?? Go be a (internet) thug; NBA DOES NOT need THAT!!!

@datboirai7326 Год назад

Justin Fields is like dat!!!

@johnsocko2839 Год назад

Jason kidd or steve nash?

@kyriediculous3413 Год назад

bro what happened to the time stamps?

@pickaside Год назад

They are up my man

@kyriediculous3413 Год назад

@@pickaside I refrshed it like 3 times and it didn't show

@cowtowntx.6740 7 дней назад

I can't believe this Kidd take

@eric02156 3 месяца назад

Lol... These guys never saw Wilt Chamberlain and how great he was . The greatest center.. He still has many records that no one has achieved... lol.

@dylanhardensandhu Год назад

2:11:01 River baby raging 😭😭

@808bboarder Год назад

Ja is getting a full season suspension 😂

@Spaceage713 Год назад

Hakeem was top 10 in 5 different categories...including steals and blocks....the disrespect of the Dream.....I get it tho...Htown hate is definitely real

@joacoT23 Год назад

Im from argentina so i appreciate that Scola love but stop clowning facu 🤣🤣

@skoolynugenator1802 Год назад

Joel is the only sane one on the Morant talk. You got three Morant fans that don’t want him suspended for lengthy amount of time because they want to see him play?! 25 games?! Are you kidding me?! 8 was a joke and anything less than 40 would be to. Ja has fucked up over and over and over again. You can argue the severity of each incident, but it’s obvious he doesn’t have any fear of consequences. 50 game suspension and losing endorsements should teach him a lesson to act professional when you are making that kind of money and have millions of kids looking up to you.

@SneakerGod22 Год назад

This dude really sat here and said it’s easier to raise your level in the playoff as a posed to the regular season. Like the refs don’t call less fouls in playoff and teams key in to your tendencies and force you to more difficult shots to dismiss them and what Jimmy is doing. Bro is sad lol.

@alliefreeman2614 Год назад

We gotta remember, Hakeem should have 2 MVPs. He was robbed of the one they gave to David Robinson.

@ClutchCity71 Год назад

2018 Rockets one of the greatest teams to not win a ring

@barretta5582 Год назад

It’s 2023 let 2018 GO!!! Debating hypotheticals😂🤦🏾‍♂️

@leaderleming6748 Год назад

Shaq is not obtainable. Not remotely. Never thought i would see Shaq become underrated.

@gregorycastillo4799 Год назад

Spurs jersey Go Spurs go

@johnvang4443 Год назад

Christain watson , romeo doubs, and samori toure are going to have a big year 2 jump. i expect watson to get 1000+ yards, i expect doubs to get 700+ yards, i expect toure to get 500+ yards btw toure bhad only 82 yards so thats a big jump.

@bduptownsquirll72 Год назад

Wilt didn’t win the first finals mvp because there wasn’t a mvp yet

@losangelescardinals Год назад

The fact that Joel grabbed all these garbage analytical stats just to be wrong is championship levels of hating. A quick google search shows that Wilt has two rings not one. Not to mention there’s an obvious reason that Wilt had trouble against the Bill Russell-led Celtics and it wasn’t exclusive Russell

@darrengordon-hill Год назад

Blocks are a hell of a drug!!! Embiid gets a 3~4 blocks in a game cos weak perimeter defence and he's a "rim protector"... Blocks get the crows hyped... But I do recall Tatum SEEKING OUT this "defensive beast" and COOKING HIM repeatedly!!!! Accepted there are few centers IN HISTORY that can guard in "open space"... but Embiid's blocks sure do cover up a lot of bad defence... while Jokic plays defence without getting "stats" (nobody cares about "deflections", blocks/steals or GTFO) He plays smart - no point compounding gettung beaten on the play hy giving up and-1 too, as we saw in G1 Blocking the ball into the 4th row is intimidating and gets the crowd into it... but the offence retain possession... to me, "defence" is securinf possession - what's the benefit of a block if if bounces to their teammate for an open layup?? I block your 2pt attempt out of bounds... you inbound and hit a 3; what's the VALUE of my block in that scenario?

@dylanbach8578 Год назад

Always a great point to repeat: traditional box score defensive stats suck. Like you mentioned, blocks as a stat alone means nothing. Block = pass/dribble deflection whereas block+rebound = steal. Jokic shows up in higher defensive impact metrics because he’s a big man who gets tons of rebounds and steals which ensure that possession goes to Denver, whereas a block does not always mean that. That’s why Hassan Whiteside who blocks a shitton was never a better defender than Gobert whose blocks have gone down over his career as more and more players learn to straight up try and avoid him because of his presence + he tends to block shots and tip them to teammates.

@jaden223 Год назад

justin fields will be star. i think love will be solid though

@AlexDrewsumin 16 дней назад

Kidd is definitely above Westbrook if we're talking PG. And curry def isn't top 5 for me. But if you're putting Westbrook above Kidd I can see why curry is there. For me the Kidd thing is like saying was Iverson better than kidd. Yeah, but better PG. Nah Iverson is def better than harden. Played way better defense, and also did not have the supporting class harden ever had.