[2b] Derailment of Local CSX Train in Carlton GA, CSX Abbeville Sub, 05/05/2016 ©mbmars01 

+norman mckenzie Thank you very much!

+Darrell Twitty Thank you very much. Being a true railfan, I do not like to see accidents like this, but to watch the cleanup with heavy equipment is indeed very interesting.

I agree

Mic only

Thank you for watching. It was definitely an interesting operation. Given the very limited available space, I also don't think it could have been done better. The goal was to get the car out of the way from the inside of the curve and this they achieved after some trying.

Check out the link below. In fifteen minutes this crew had the car moved, set aside, and were looking at cleanup. In the video above, it took them an hour to haphazardly handle the same situation. Its worth mentioning, its the same company handling the mess, RJ Corman, using the same type of equipment. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-H6DkK3CcPK4.html

Judging by RJGorman representative's Gung-Ho approach earlier on using these inadequate Catterpillar 're-railing runabouts' (which had no stabilisers or outriggers to give support) in a railway cutting, I fore-saw what would assuredly happen at 24:14 to that expensive grain car. Aren't they fortunate to be still alive? AND not being required to pay for their incompetence. I agree with all Geoffrey Kail says.

I concur. There was the truck, all ready to receive the car, but no, topple it over.

I thought I was the only one that thought they were doing this wrong. Long time to flip one car over

I work for RJ Corman, Billings Montana division and I can assure you this wasn't our guys decision. We are simply contractors and do what the railroad EIC tells us to do.

It seems they were trying to move the car across the track without destroying the track. That way once it clears they can let traffic through that has been waiting. All in all, could have just dragged it right across, replaced one section of track, quicker.

Great you like it!

Thank you! Glad you like it!

Thanks!

Cool, thanks!

+Brendan Flaherty Nice, thank you!

That was indeed unbelievable. Very strange incident, but it really happened lol

It's csx what do you expect 😆. They are just a derailment waiting to happen. I get nervous when I'm railfanning and see anything marked csx.

Cool, thanks a lot.

New set of wheels.a little Bondo and some paint it'll be good as new.

Car was totalled before they even uprighted it.

Yea, I also think they do a great job.

+irishmanO1 Thank you!

Very cool, thanks very much! Stay safe, too!

+iusetano That's what it is. Thanks!

+Daniel Kennedy Yeah, that was certainly a somewhat special event.

Absolutely. I agree.

Thanks!

It was empty.

Cool story. Thanks for sharing!

Good you like the video!

+csxcw44ac Yeah, it seems they had quite some troubles last week. I also still wonder how this could happen here.

Not as rare as you would think. RJ Corman stays very busy doing this day-in-day-out. Pretty cool video tho

@@cam545 Of course they do. They turned a 2 hour job into at least 4.

Csx a derailment garentee.

One of them was a 583 and the Other was a 572 (RJ Cormans 572’s have 1-2 Extra Counterweights). While having a Pair of 583’s is better than 572’s, it really depends on the situation. You can do a Fair Amount of Work with a Pair of 572’s with the Right Conditions, in fact Many of the Derailment Contractors used 572’s for 60+ Years. Hulcher went to 583’s Only, while RJ Corman still has A LOT of CAT 572’s still around (some of them have been replaced with New Deere 850J/K’s with Midwestern 572’s), they are Nice for for Yard Jobs, ReRails and Rail Car Jobs ETC. They should have had a Cat 977 and Excavator on this Job as well. I’m going to guess that they thought it was a Simple 1 Car Job and a 977 Trackloader and Excavator wasn’t needed. Also with the Limited Working Area, that is where the New Deere 470 Excavator’s with Rotator Booms that RJ Corman has at one of its Divisions would have worked 100x’s Better and would have made Short Work of this Job, putting one at Each End of the Car. This would have been a Better Job for Utilco Railroad Services with their Excavator Booms.

I forgot to mention the locos were on their sides...

Well, it's not only the time it took locally. The time it takes to bring in adequate equipment must be added and I think it would have taken considerably longer if they had brought in large cranes (I don't know which would have been the nearest shop that stores such equipment). Plus, there is not much room for large cranes to operate.

There are not a lot of companies in North America capable of doing this type of work. The nearest "adequate" equipment could have been too far out to bring in. Sometimes you have to do with what you got.

Thanks for using all caps, as I am hard of hearing.

I agree. It's not a toy car...

Yes, and they had to do it without damaging the line. Armchairs don't see that.

Yes...they had lots of train-ing. Heh...heh... (Sorry for existing)

Assuming that those commenting don’t know anything... When they took the chokers over the top to “pull up” from the other side all they did was add down pressure to car while tying to pull it “up” from that position. They needed to attach to the top of the near side of the car, not the bottom of the far side. Same results per say, just a better hook point and less added force. And yes worrying about the rail underneath. The way they hooked it would be trying to “render” the car as it sits instead of “ leaning” the car upright.

Thanks! Yea, the entire procedure looked more complicated than one would think it should be...

Well, they have their own people to investigate this incident. For them, it was just a small thing that can happen at any time, I guess.

Thanks! I'm not familiar with this equipment and can't answer your question.

@@mbmars01 That is pipe laying equipment converted to that application. Stupidly strong winches on those machines. Tonnage is remarkable. They use one inch diameter cable.

Its called a Sidewinder or Sideboom. It's a Dozer with a hinged boom on one side and a hinged counter weight on the opposite, and winch spool in the back.( no blade up front) Johnny Holland is correct. It was originally designed for laying pipe. Only reason I know what it is, is because I'm a Heavy equipment operator. Lol The Dozer might not of been completely out of fuel, but maybe just low, and with the steep angle of the ballast/ track/ road bed that the Dozer Operator had to climb over to get to the other side probably made the fuel pump suck air on which ever low side of the tank the pump was getting the fuel from? Maybe not, but I've seen it happen before.

@@@brianbenson1973, Thank you Brian. That was the name alright! Good on ya mate.

@@WJack97224 You bet buddy!👍😎

I remember I thought the same when I watched it live.

+Donald Conklin It's already done. Took less than two days and the line was never closed.

+mbmars01 I see. Nice job by the crew!

Yes, it did! lol

Not initially. They just wanted to get it out of the way to re-open the line. The car was put back on tracks the following day.

Well, it's possible to go around, but extra ways can be a few miles longer. I think the car was empty, someone who lives there said it was half-loaded, whatever this means. Absolutely right! That wouldn't be a job for me lol

I don't understand.

Thanks!

Haha, that's right. Even before this happened, I always thought this covered hopper design may have a flaw lol

Lol, I remember I thought the same when I watched it.

Yeah, it's awe-inspiring.

How so?

The aftermath can be watched in the video that came out after this one, I guess that would be [2c].

@@mbmars01 cool thanks.😁

I couldn't believe it either when I saw that.

LKNANML rumour has it they’re still trying to work out who didn’t put enough fuel in

Csx "we move tomorrow" "because we didn't move today" 😝

+Maryland Area Railfan Thanks!

+mbmars01 No problem!

Quite so.

There's some truth in it...

WTF are you talking about. Railroads in North America are all profitable.

+C David check again

I work for a class 1. None are anything less than making money hand over fist. I've spent years working with corman. They are the best in the business.

No need to check again. Outside of some short line operations here or there (and most of those are healthy) the Class I railroads in North America all make a profit. They are far from going broke.

Ahhhh you made me go back to look.... Egads lol !

+Jack Prange II Lol, I agree. But he seemed to be a very skilled driver and operator of his Cat.

haha, yeah, he's probably used to it though.

....used to sliding, that is, not messing his pants.... lol

The purpose of this action was to get the car out of the way and re-open the line. They did put the car back on track the next day.

+zippa .way They haven't yet cleaned up. I wish I could see it, but I may also well miss it. It's not very close to where I live.

+mbmars01 was there anything in those cars ?

christopher coleman No, it was empty. The train came from the feed mill nearby.

mbmars01 oh ok thanks

+Adderall vs Haha, that's not true! Q194 slowed down early because he didn't even have an approach signal to the Howie Siding. Believe me, I don't stress the speed limits. There are cops out there everywhere.

+mbmars01 yea I feel ya they sit and wait 24/7

No, they didn't mind.

LOL :)

+Regan Rickson No doubt you're right, but it would have cost too much time to bring in such equipment I guess. I don't know where they store such stuff in this region, but they considered it obviously more efficient to bring in the Cats on flatbed trucks. Yeah, now that I know what can happen, I always think about it when I'm railfanning.

In the long run these 'new methods' are far more efficient. You might indeed point to a derailment here or there that could be better handled in the 'old method'. However, railroads long ago determined it is better to let these contractors pick up wrecks than to use their own forces and equipment.

Lol, that's at least something and more than many others do right now...

Typical bullshit railfan comment

I have never worked with the RR, but I have worked in heavy industrial maintenance and construction for forty years. I have moved and set big equipment and know that when you are uprighting a piece of equipment that you need to have an attachment on it so when it is at it's apex and starts back down you have control to stop it from rolling completely over. They were short one piece of equipment plus some dunnage for blocking. Just my opinion, not a scientific study.

@@thomasproctor3047 Obviously I wasn't there but I suspect that, under the circumstances, they were sent out there to "clear the tracks" as soon as possible. As this happened in a basically rural area I doubt that the heavy "train cranes" were close by.

+mow4ncry Yeah... Difficult to understand.

😂😂😂

I also thought they put this thing back on the rails immediately (they did it much later and the car got towed to Athens - see the follow-up video "[2c] The Day After the Derailment...")

Yeah, that had to resume their traffic. So indeed the first goal was to get the car out of the way while it was dark. On the next day, they put it on tracks and moved it to a nearby yard, for repair or scrapping I don't know.

mbmars01 nice vid btw

J IJzer Nice, I'm glad you likes it!

Tom Cander I didn’t understand why didn’t they bring in a boom crane and move it to the side just asking ?

@@briankeith5437 they will re-rail if possible but first and foremost is getting the rail back in service. Yes, I would have just got it off to the side and moved on.