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2mm white D/E VVSI/LC Micro Pavé Diamonds All around in 14 kt Yellow Gold eternity band 

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In this video jeweller and diamond setter Niels van Dooren setting 2 mm (0.03 ct) white loupe clean diamonds in a yellow gold wedding band. The diamonds are all exactly measuring 2 mm to create this smooth pattern. The use of Micro Pavé Technique creates a unique ring.
The diamonds each weigh approximate 0.03 ct and are hold with shared prongs. By creating seats with a carbide round bur you can see the distance from another. Afterwards a bright cut is created with a 60 degree carbide graver which was high gloss polished. These are polished with ceradent polishing wheels. Furthermore tiny prongs are created by removing excess metal with a flat graver into the seat. Then, gently the diamonds are put in place into the ,relatively soft, yellow gold. With a tiny prong pusher the golden prongs are bent over the diamonds thereby holding tightly two diamonds at the same time.
The ring was later polished with high gloss diamond polish.
All in all this was a beautiful ring to work on.
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@TMSomeone
@TMSomeone 4 года назад
Perfection at finest, well done, thank you for sharing
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thanks for your comment! ;-)
@TimezUp23
@TimezUp23 Год назад
Your graver work is very nice. I struggle to get that line so perfect, but maybe over time I will achieve the level of excellence you have.
@heinikendude
@heinikendude Год назад
Practice makes perfect. !
@sejaaguia8020
@sejaaguia8020 2 года назад
Great job! Thank you for sharing!
@marzealeconstaza5244
@marzealeconstaza5244 3 года назад
ES INCREIBLE QUE LAS PIEDRAS SE SOSTENGAN CON SÓLO UN PEDACITO DE METAL, ES UN EXCELENTE VÍDEO. LES DEJE SEGUIR TODA LA PUBLICIDAD, SE LO MERECEN.
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Muchas gracias Marzea!
@D-me-dream-smp
@D-me-dream-smp 2 года назад
Incredible to watch such skill. I really appreciate seeing it in this much detail and so clearly. What level of magnification are we looking at approximately? Im fascinated by men setting - the level of precision required is incredible.
@sukmeeballz8327
@sukmeeballz8327 3 года назад
This guy has superhuman gift ! Superb ! Please be my mentor 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@krazykozey2259
@krazykozey2259 2 года назад
I really want to be someone's apprentice. I build homes, build 1000hp Muscle Cars and this right here gets me xard as a diamond. I listen to blues while I remodel homes. I listen to 80s and heavy rock music while restoring cars. And I need to be able to design and give my girls (Wife and Daughter) jewelry just so I can listen to Tchaikovsky, Bach and Beethoven...... If you're ADD and you know it 👏🏼 your.....
@almeidakleber
@almeidakleber 4 года назад
PARABÉNS INCRÍVEL SEU TRABALHO!!!
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thanks Kleber!
@Tbk_Gemstone
@Tbk_Gemstone 3 года назад
Alamnya mantul liat juga keindahan budaya saya ya.done full
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
English? ;-)
@user-wc1bf5ht8m
@user-wc1bf5ht8m 3 года назад
Awesome coordination...
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Much appreciated!
@carmelitadasgracasoliveira2307
@carmelitadasgracasoliveira2307 4 года назад
Parabéns, é apaixonante seu trabalho
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Gracias ! ;-)
@mouradouzine8442
@mouradouzine8442 4 года назад
Thank you for the video
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
You're welcome Mourad Ouzine
@phengengly1033
@phengengly1033 4 года назад
Your fingers are amazing
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thank you very much Pheng!
@HuongNguyen-zo9fw
@HuongNguyen-zo9fw 4 года назад
Excellent 👌
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thanks Again ;-)
@milanjewellery4276
@milanjewellery4276 4 года назад
Nicely done 👌👌
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thanks Milan !
@jairomerchan1710
@jairomerchan1710 3 года назад
Impresionante 👍🎨 dé muchos kilates y buena manifestación
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Gracias Jairo!
@3000saly
@3000saly 4 года назад
Ik vond diamant zetter met twee potjes altijd mooier , i love it.
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Hala Istifan 👍
@javigasgas8685
@javigasgas8685 4 года назад
Precioso trabajo
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Gracias Javigas!
@user-eq8ou5gi4h
@user-eq8ou5gi4h 4 года назад
As always, a great job! Thank you for the video.
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thanks for your time and comment! ;-)
@jbl1969
@jbl1969 4 года назад
Love it. I wish i could do it😁
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thanks for your nice words J J. Takes a lot of training ;-)
@berndthiel613
@berndthiel613 4 года назад
, ....... it looks so easy , ... but it needs Time to be good . Perfect Niels !
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Takes years ! ;-) Thanks for your comment
@berndthiel613
@berndthiel613 4 года назад
@@heinikendude , ................. !
@ardi585
@ardi585 11 месяцев назад
You are my superhero ❤
@Krishna-53256
@Krishna-53256 4 года назад
Nice work bro 👌👌👌
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thank you for your kind words! ;-)
@ThuyTran-bq8we
@ThuyTran-bq8we 4 года назад
Thankyou 👍👍👍👍👍
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
You're very welcome ;-)
@laidamine8493
@laidamine8493 4 года назад
Good job thank u
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thanks got your comment Laid! ;-)
@priyanthagatamanna7312
@priyanthagatamanna7312 7 месяцев назад
Super
@millionmilesman
@millionmilesman 2 года назад
Es Vd un maestro de exquisita precisión.
@davewatkins2139
@davewatkins2139 4 года назад
Nice work! What make of Vernier Callipers are you using to mark out the stones? They look fantastic for the job!
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Hi Dave, thanks for your nice words. I use a divider made by Jura Tools. Check them out and mention my name ;-)
@TJ-wv8fs
@TJ-wv8fs Год назад
Very cool
@heinikendude
@heinikendude Год назад
Thank you TJ
@pauluspaulus7339
@pauluspaulus7339 3 года назад
what suitable microscope tool for this gem stone setting ? thanks
@jorgericardosucno2754
@jorgericardosucno2754 Год назад
hermoso trabajo
@heinikendude
@heinikendude Год назад
Gracias Jorge!
@andrecsr-cuksilverrings5264
@andrecsr-cuksilverrings5264 4 года назад
Wow..
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thanks Andre! ;-) We do our best
@lorenacarmona6562
@lorenacarmona6562 2 года назад
Soberbio superb
@jermainelindo9938
@jermainelindo9938 4 года назад
labor n craftsmanship
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thanks Jermaine for your nice words ;-)
@laurentmalet3603
@laurentmalet3603 3 года назад
magnificent ! Thank you for sharing. how much is the ring in width and thickness? there is approximately how much distance between the stones? thank you and bravo
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Hi Laurent, This ring is about 2.6 - 2.7 mm wide. Thickness I believe also at least 2.2 mm. The distance between the stones is almost none ;-)
@TheSamanpriyanga
@TheSamanpriyanga 3 года назад
Hi,good job, You mentioned that the marked on the rings same as stone sizes ,but geometrically stones go down little bit deeper stones can be touching each other and can be broken ,usually i keep 0.15mm space between the stones
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Hi, that is correct. But as the actual mark itself is also almost 0.1mm this is enough for me. ;-)
@rhondapaulik8834
@rhondapaulik8834 3 года назад
I am looking for a 18kacrosson both sides of ring was gold band thank you so much for helping me
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Hi Rhonda, please email me for more information! ;-)
@TheArtisanTouch
@TheArtisanTouch Год назад
That fkn music is a killer
@gxalobosjewelerss9751
@gxalobosjewelerss9751 2 года назад
What do you use for.the stones to nat fall off!!?..what's the best to do?
@herbhoover
@herbhoover 4 месяца назад
I've watched this a half dozen times. Amazing! Why do you go two forward and one back with the ball bur? Does it help keep the holes evenly spaced?
@shanghunter7697
@shanghunter7697 Год назад
STELLAR work and t.y. for sharing your craftsmanship ! Could you PLEASE tell me the name of the tool that you use to pick the diamonds up with to set the diamonds into the settings ? T.y. so much for your time if you see this and can help.
@ingot_buddy
@ingot_buddy 5 месяцев назад
He uses a beading tool, the only reason the diamond sticks on is because some setters will lick the tip of the beading tool to pick up the diamond. You can also use a beeswax dop stick, it's just a little messy, but you can clean it up after
@svberend
@svberend 3 года назад
In your initial markup, how much clearance do you allow stone-to-stone? do you build in actual clearance or just fudge it by smidge? like a couple thousandths?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Actually all stones are hand calibrated by myself so in these layouts i don't create any clearance. Sometimes I might add 0.1 mm for stones 2mm if these are older cuts or from a client ;-)
@TerryThayer
@TerryThayer 3 года назад
Good watch, I've never thought of undercutting the prongs with that straight burr tool. I guess that's so the prongs move easier?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Hi Metalion! Yes that's correct! ;-)
@yossipariente4165
@yossipariente4165 3 года назад
Hi, where was that?
@TerryThayer
@TerryThayer 3 года назад
@@yossipariente4165 he's doing it around the 13:00 + time
@1998foxpad
@1998foxpad 2 года назад
Is this hand pave or are you using a gravermax type tool? Very inspiring and informative work
@retlaws7222
@retlaws7222 2 года назад
Are you only using a ball burr to cut the seat for the diamond? I normally use a ball burr to get the hole close to the size then use a heart burr to cut the seat. I see a lot of videos where it looks like just a ball burr is used. It seams like you have more control over the height of the stone with this method. If you are what size burr compared to the stone? TIA
@amillia222
@amillia222 3 года назад
Your work is amazing!!! Would you please tell us what music you used! Classic music =classic work! Thank you!
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Hi Amilia, thank you very much for your kind words ;-)
@andershancock486
@andershancock486 2 года назад
Hi @Amillia222 - just saw your question - to answer, i do not no the first piece of music, but the second is definately one of my favorites - its Tchaikowskij and the 1812 Overtüre :)
@mahyasayari9606
@mahyasayari9606 4 года назад
That's great If your stone is 2 mm What's the distance between to stone? What was the number of digital caliper when did you sign ?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
2.00 mm exactly ;-)
@calebwillard6226
@calebwillard6226 2 года назад
What is that tool that’s being used after the ball burr. The one that’s scraping away metal ? I’ve been trying to figure out what that is
@alexanderkane8475
@alexanderkane8475 2 года назад
what dividers are you using?
@Sergey-Master-LOMaster
@Sergey-Master-LOMaster 4 года назад
Super...masrer
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thanks for your nice words !
@stevevanniekerk6951
@stevevanniekerk6951 4 года назад
Hi Very nice work!! What do you use to pick up the stones?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Hi Steve, I use a nail with a hollowed out tip. Dip it in a wet sponge and with the forces of adhesion I can pick up the diamonds ;-)
@stevevanniekerk6951
@stevevanniekerk6951 4 года назад
@@heinikendude do you use water in die sponge
@allenl9214
@allenl9214 4 года назад
Hi, please can you do a 4 or 6 prong setting solitaire video?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Hi Allen, I mostly recored the work that I do behind my microscope, so don't normally record solitair videos. I'll try to make one in the near future ;-)
@apeople
@apeople 4 года назад
I notice that in this video you drill to a shallow depth where most videos I see drill all the way through the metal while paving, what are the pros and cons and when should one drill or not drill all the way through the material?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Hi A people, that is correct, I do not drill completely through the metal. Main reason is because a good cut and high quality diamond shines and reflects light in itself. So there is absolutely no need for a hole. Also I believe that these tiny hole cut through are just a place for dirt to form and pile up. And on a side note these solid rings are obviously a bit stronger and will last longer ;-)
@GUYANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@GUYANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 4 года назад
How secure is pave setting compare to prong setting?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Hi Rico, pavé setting is definitely more delicate compared to prong setting. As the tiny prongs are relatively small compared to the traditional prong setting. However for some types of jewellery it can be very beautiful and also safe. So it depends a lot on the design ;-)
@officialdugger4993
@officialdugger4993 3 года назад
When setting these 2mm Diamonds, how far apart are the center of the diamonds to each other, do you have that 1mm(or another measurement) space in between or go exactly 2mm apart making the diamonds touch one another. Please let me know thank you for these videos as well.
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
I try get these as close as possible (no room in between) so i can use one prong to secure two stones at the same time
@vhong68
@vhong68 3 года назад
Center of the Diamonds Diameter
@vhong68
@vhong68 3 года назад
Center of the Diamonds Diameter
@noahhill6434
@noahhill6434 2 года назад
@@vhong68 he said 2.2mm in another comment
@vhong68
@vhong68 2 года назад
@@noahhill6434 the CULET is the Centralize part of the Diamonds. Maybe, appx 2.2 mm
@user-zf9mp9zd5e
@user-zf9mp9zd5e 4 года назад
Regarding the 18k series golden making, I thought the handing processed should be changed to 3-dimensional process by stereo laser level gauge ruler for decorating the chips diamond
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Hi, I don'f fully understand your question / comment. These are all fully brilliant cut diamonds with each 57 facets. So these are nog just diamond chips ;-)
@Valentincatabay-d5t
@Valentincatabay-d5t 6 месяцев назад
Excuse me sir can you show about price some of gold plainner tools
@egill-
@egill- 3 года назад
How long does the setting take you? When I, a hobbyist do a full eternity ring, it usually takes me about 6 hours (and it's not nearly as neat, I need 4 prongs). How slow am I compared to this master?
@Ninyaho
@Ninyaho 2 года назад
Hi
@kamizama2
@kamizama2 3 года назад
hello, excellent work, see how do you calculate the amount of stones in the ring? I really appreciate the videos, they are inspiring :)
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Hi Kamizama2, I make small marks with a divider. Then I continue all around the ring. When the last one doesn't match the first I slowly creep up to the next mark. You should definitely try it yourself a couple of times
@kamizama2
@kamizama2 3 года назад
@@heinikendude Thank you! I'm going to do it these days.
@kjenkins8648
@kjenkins8648 3 года назад
Just how do you know exactly how many diamonds will fit perfectly around the ring?
@victoriacastillo5085
@victoriacastillo5085 3 года назад
Math 😂
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Hi K Jenkins, We do some math ;-)
@gautamdewrivlogs4005
@gautamdewrivlogs4005 3 года назад
good
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Many thanks!
@topzcamendozan9501
@topzcamendozan9501 4 года назад
this yellow gold 14k was able to pawn?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Hi, what do you mean with pawn? We create custom pieces for clients ;-)
@vuxuanhoa821
@vuxuanhoa821 4 года назад
You like...!!!
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thanks!
@sinancinar8676
@sinancinar8676 3 года назад
👏👏👏
@AYLETEDRI
@AYLETEDRI 4 года назад
If i may ask Whats the measurement you take between each mark before you set 2mm stone here? Also what is the size of the prongs before 'curling' it ? Im trying to figure how tiny it is;)
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Hi Cornball, the marks are 2mm. So the same size as the actual diamonds. As for the prongs I estimate that these are 0.3 to 0.4 mm each
@malachisamora9481
@malachisamora9481 2 года назад
I noticed you didn’t use bur life ?
@user-gi7fz7od8n
@user-gi7fz7od8n Год назад
Ахреннено вы это делаете ,как профи потдверждаю.
@heinikendude
@heinikendude Год назад
thank you!
@user-gi7fz7od8n
@user-gi7fz7od8n Год назад
🙌👍бома
@heinikendude
@heinikendude Год назад
Thanks!
@jorgeoro6537
@jorgeoro6537 2 года назад
😍😍😍😍
@muhammadfaizal908
@muhammadfaizal908 4 года назад
Very neat setting... Amazing job... What degree of graver you use for this job...? Is that 70 degree graver...
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Hi Muhammad, thanks! This is a 60 degree graver. ;-)
@muhammadfaizal908
@muhammadfaizal908 4 года назад
Thanks for the reply....really appreciate that.. 😊😊
@kvri-beats
@kvri-beats 3 месяца назад
Hello please can you tell me about the brand of your drilling machine sir?
@user-ro2gr6rb9s
@user-ro2gr6rb9s 3 года назад
สุดยอด
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Thanks for your nice words!
@kajfaszmlot6937
@kajfaszmlot6937 4 года назад
Hello my frend i from russian and i have questions. An example i have two milimetr diamond and hole two milimeter?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Hi Kajfasz, You're correct! The hole should be no bigger than the diamond itself. If you do flush setting start with 1.9 mm burr and be very careful.
@kajfaszmlot6937
@kajfaszmlot6937 4 года назад
@@heinikendude thank you very much. I start learn this profession and my komwlwdge is very small.
@dungtranhungdung2775
@dungtranhungdung2775 4 года назад
Nhẫn đẹp đấy
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
English please? ;-)
@hemantakumar1307
@hemantakumar1307 Год назад
Sir i want learn this setting can you help me
@oliverbalazs7468
@oliverbalazs7468 3 года назад
How you make the diamonds stay here?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Hi Oliver we create tiny prongs and bend these over the diamonds.
@Mr2Badboybrown
@Mr2Badboybrown 3 года назад
What does LC mean
@andijvie3119
@andijvie3119 Год назад
Hi, srry domme vraag maar gebruik je exact dezelfde diamater bolfrees voor de diamantjes of neem je 0.1mm kleiner want als ik b.v 2mm bolfrees gebruik voor een 2mm steen zie ik dat er geen weerstand heeft om die steen een beetje strak erin te plaatsen.
@akashsoni5249
@akashsoni5249 3 года назад
Plz tell me how u polish ur graver
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Hi Aakash, I do this by hand with a edentate wheel.
@kailashsoni676
@kailashsoni676 8 месяцев назад
Would you please provide actual names of all tools or purchase link
@jenwhitedesigns
@jenwhitedesigns 3 года назад
This is one of my favorite jewelry porn channels. Thanks so much for sharing! Do you take requests? If so, I’d love to watch some pointed facet settings. 🙂
@leonaschoniger9714
@leonaschoniger9714 3 года назад
😍
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Thank you Leona!
@ownroad5095
@ownroad5095 3 года назад
What were you doing with the drill in 11:41 ?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Hi Ownroad, this is cleaning up the metal from the downcuts.
@jkltakeschi8582
@jkltakeschi8582 3 года назад
What is the name of the metall that pushes the gold ?
@jkltakeschi8582
@jkltakeschi8582 3 года назад
From miute 9 to 10?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Hi JKL this is a 60 degree sharpens carbide graver ;-) Check out JuraTools for this
@user-hq4wk6gr6q
@user-hq4wk6gr6q 4 года назад
3D в помощь)))
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
English my friend?
@user-zf9mp9zd5e
@user-zf9mp9zd5e 4 года назад
Because the decorative diamond or the others precious gemstone is must for jewelry of marketing by computerized machine
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
I strongly believe that computerised machines are not capable of creating this exact diamond setting style ;-)
@user-vi6wd6nh7m
@user-vi6wd6nh7m 4 года назад
ماشاء الله سبحان الله سبحان الله الوهاب
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thans |I guess ;-)
@linhtet9689
@linhtet9689 2 года назад
Hello Your amazing you do I like I want to your tools please.May i known your learning your my teacher
@yousuf6268
@yousuf6268 4 года назад
the music note at the end of the video .. the name please ?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Hi Yousuf, don't recall the exact song. But it's from the RU-vid Music library. You can also shazam it ! ;-)
@infidel49
@infidel49 4 года назад
@@heinikendude the muic is one of the bachianas Brrazilian comoposer Heitor villa lobos
@infidel49
@infidel49 4 года назад
Te music is one one of the Bachianas by The Brazilian Composer Heitor Villa Lobos.
@adamrourke1586
@adamrourke1586 3 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pgXrrFt-Uzs.html
@bimandas1437
@bimandas1437 3 года назад
There are no vacancies for work?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Hi Biman Das, No we are a family business. Unfortunately no vacancies
@user-vi6wd6nh7m
@user-vi6wd6nh7m 4 года назад
👍👍👍🏆🎁💍
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thanks!
@arabiclearner711
@arabiclearner711 Год назад
Where did you learn ?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude Год назад
I was taught by Jura! The BEST
@arabiclearner711
@arabiclearner711 Год назад
@@heinikendude thanks for the reply , I hope to go there one day
@nelsonreyes-rm2xn
@nelsonreyes-rm2xn Год назад
Ten fe
@user-tt3py8xb9y
@user-tt3py8xb9y 4 года назад
Song name please and thank?
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Hi, It's some classical song from the RU-vid audio library ;-)
@adamrourke1586
@adamrourke1586 3 года назад
1812 Overture: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pgXrrFt-Uzs.html
@amitdeblog
@amitdeblog Год назад
I am diamond setter of diamond jewelry all setting work
@bhaskarbejjarapu3029
@bhaskarbejjarapu3029 4 года назад
Can I know about that machine
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
What machine do you mean?
@bhaskarbejjarapu3029
@bhaskarbejjarapu3029 4 года назад
@@heinikendude about your drilling machine sir
@leosansone6297
@leosansone6297 3 года назад
Absolutely nosense a D color for a ring.
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Hi Leo, We believe in using only the best quality for our products. ;-)
@leosansone6297
@leosansone6297 3 года назад
vandoorenniels sure,but if you build the same tennis in E color vvs1 the results is the same😂
@user-vi6wd6nh7m
@user-vi6wd6nh7m 4 года назад
رائع جدا بس اعمل مسابقه وافوز انا بيها
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 4 года назад
Thanks !
@ramprashaddhar4908
@ramprashaddhar4908 3 года назад
👉👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👍👍👍Hihi
@heinikendude
@heinikendude 3 года назад
Thanks Ramprashad!
@krazykozey2259
@krazykozey2259 2 года назад
So I must ask.... Is the reason you skip over your hole in the beginning to get the set going? Then pressure takes the rest of the way?
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