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3 Steps To Winning At Poker - The Making Of A Professional 

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This video teaches you how to win at poker and where the money comes from. My goal is to show you what really drives profit in poker and help mold your thought processes into that of a winning player.
Video correction: at 4:38, the math should be (500+500) - (500+500) = 0, not 500+500 - 500+500 = 0. Sorry for the typo.
If you learn to think the correct way and truly understand the underlying cause and effect of how money is made, specific poker strategy will not only come more naturally to you, but developing a plan for every hand you play will become infinitely easier. So, if you are tired of getting lost during a poker hand, wondering what went wrong, and how you are either losing money or not winning as much as you think you should, then this video is for you.
Before you learn how to actually play poker, there are a three key concepts that you must to understand. In fact, you can study strategy until you are blue in the face, but if you fail to understand any of the 3 concepts in this video, your potential will be severely limited. The first one, and the most important, is something very few poker players will ever really grasp. In fact, it boggles my mind how big of an enigma it seems to be for the vast majority of anyone who wants to learn how to play poker. And that is where the money actually comes from. After all the hands are played, and all is said and done, once the long term is reached.. how the heck does anyone show a profit? Well, truth is, very few actually do. Due to rake and a number of other factors, very few people actually win money at poker over a significant sample size of hands. Estimate range from as low as 3%, but in reality the number is likely is the 8% to 10% range. So yes, at least 90% of people who ever play poker for real money, will be losers. But you don't have to become a statistic. There are things you can learn, that most people are not talking about, that will give you an edge over everyone who refuses to acknowledge or learn the information. That is what this video is all about. First of all, let me get something out of the way. You do not profit in poker from making big hands and then getting paid off. Everyone wins money in these spots. I am not saying that maximizing your profit when you make a big hand is not important. It is. We need to maximize profit is all areas of our game. What I am saying is that winning money and making money are two different things.Just because you got AA all-in preflop versus KK in a specific hand does not mean you won anything. In fact, since everyone would gladly get KK all-in pre-flop, you actually made $0. Every player will pick up the same amount of AA, KK, QQ, hit the same number of sets or two pairs.. these hands are easy to play. In fact, it's really hard to misplay these hands. Therefore, there is very little room for actual profit when you have a strong hand. Put another way, if every player plays exactly 1 million hands in their career and makes $500 with their big pairs, and $500 with their flopped nut hands, then nobody makes anything, since in order to make $500, each person has to take $500 from the player pool!
So where does the money come from in poker? It comes from winning more battles, both big and small, than your opponents win. Over the long term, the players who maximize the best in the most overall battles, will be the ones who profit.
Here are the three specific things you can do today to take action and become a better
player.
1. Focus on the fundamentals and putting yourself in good situations. Actively work on improving your play in the so-called marginal spots that everyone else thinks is boring. Seek out profit where no one else is looking.
2. Avoid playing in games where there isn't at least 1 really bad player in the two seats to your right, or at least two bad players on the table. The more bad players the better.
3. Don't change your play based on recent results. Try to think of every hand as just being one in a billion spots just like this that you will play over the long term. Keep perspective and you have a great chance of conquering, or at least, avoiding tilt.
Be sure to comment and subscribe. I would also love to hear from you if you have any suggestions for future videos. You can reach me at jim@automaticpoker.com.
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@Shawk95
@Shawk95 6 лет назад
You are absolutely correct that most Poker profits come from mistakes of the opponents. A 'mistake' is primarily a misreading or misjudging of your hand by the loser.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
AKA Leaks :)
@wilde33
@wilde33 7 лет назад
So many people will sit and watch videos based on certain spots or hands. For example, "what should i do when the bb 3-bets me, what should i do when i get donked into on the flop in a 3bet pot etc" truth is, while it is good to try and master specific spots, it doesn't really hold ground with what is Really important to winning poker. This video empathised that brilliantly. The concepts explained really are the last edges in poker. Alot of people stuggle to understand these concepts or simply do not care. Great video.
@tamilathiest8209
@tamilathiest8209 6 лет назад
Simply do not care is correct for most people I meet in online cash games. Play money people are the worst. Their definition of fun is "throw them" "dump em". I am not winner in real life but I can now see my own mistakes in other people. 80% of people really do not care about anything. That is why we have poverty, high unemployment , and poor political maturity , no wonder religion can take advantage of such people (I am not judging here but just trying to make a point) Life should have been very easy for me, but I do not know why. I hope poker teaches me HOW NOT TO LIVE LIFE
@wilde33
@wilde33 6 лет назад
Tamil Athiest Well said. I agree with the points you make. Poker is no different, but the people that "dont't care" especially at the micros, are the people we take advantage of as, There mistakes = our profits. This is especially true for cash games.
@zak2189
@zak2189 6 лет назад
you mean EMPHASIZE. Empathize means to understand someone's feelings. Empathy vs Emphasis.
@ygatesatellite4964
@ygatesatellite4964 6 лет назад
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@DrunkenGuitarGuy
@DrunkenGuitarGuy 5 лет назад
TrickTappic* anyone that tries to use "donked" in a sentence is an idiot
@pleasant.sound7
@pleasant.sound7 Год назад
Best one i ever ran into by now i must say. Keep on man ☆
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker Год назад
Wow, thanks!
@stewmeat30
@stewmeat30 6 лет назад
Thanks, I am always looking to improve and everyone should open their mind to new things. I use some of these basics but hearing it just helps me be more consistent with them.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Thanks for commenting and good luck at the tables!
@gerhardmoeller774
@gerhardmoeller774 6 лет назад
Thanks dude! Very Enlightening. I need to get into the Zen of poker! I will check out your blog for sure. Thanks again.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Cool, thanks for watchin :)
@nolanforcier1796
@nolanforcier1796 7 лет назад
Genius. Love everything you are saying. Just got urself a subscriber forever. Keep it up!!!
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 7 лет назад
Thanks man, really appreciate it. :)
@etiennepace9340
@etiennepace9340 7 лет назад
watched it like 10times while during my poker session! class mate!
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 7 лет назад
Cool, glad you enjoyed it!
@getfitwithanas3062
@getfitwithanas3062 3 года назад
This is top, One of the best
@johnbarry5036
@johnbarry5036 5 лет назад
8:50 ridiculous. The fact is playing tight-aggresive IS right, at least at the Bicycle Club and Commerce Casino where I've played the last 15 years and still go weekly. There are plenty of 300-500 NL players who love to chase and overvalue their top pair. I keep a detailed notebook on my pc of every single visit and total profit and loss and am doing quite well. Your logic seems to make sense, but the assumption that everyone is getting better and there are less fish MAY be true to a small portion, but at the brick and mortar places where I go (perhaps not the same as online), there are still plenty of fish in the ocean. A large percentage of players will never go to the trouble of reading Super System or watching RU-vid videos by Negreanu or Polk. They go to have fun, and it ain't no fun for them to sit and wait for premium hands. You make them pay. My nice, new car that Im driving was paid for with cash by these people. No kidding.
@joshuamanley6721
@joshuamanley6721 4 года назад
cool
@etiennepace9340
@etiennepace9340 7 лет назад
hehe loved it mate!
@chriswilson1968
@chriswilson1968 7 лет назад
Stealing the blinds and stealing the small unraised pots. Also folding a lot saves you a lot of money most people play way too many hands.
@BAlvn-yr6ej
@BAlvn-yr6ej 7 лет назад
yup, classic supersystem...but lately, i find that is getting a lot harder...i've been seeing more and more check-raises over time. folding is the most important way to win long term...and checking in position on most rivers. hero calls and "thin value bets" are the way to lose your shirt, i find. i'll leave those to the truly top pros.
@brucelston
@brucelston 5 лет назад
You still play this way a year later?
@tylerdurden4392
@tylerdurden4392 4 года назад
Nitty :P
@christiantonello8905
@christiantonello8905 6 лет назад
Very well done! A bit too long, these points can be made clearer with less words and charts but you got the point! Liked&Subscribed ;}
@masticloxpoker1006
@masticloxpoker1006 7 лет назад
Very nice my friend, Subscribed to you channel keep up the good work
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 7 лет назад
Thanks!
@joycelawrence1434
@joycelawrence1434 6 лет назад
I took a minute to read the reciprocality article..hmm took a bit longer than that, but it was very interesting. ty.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Joyce Lawrence you're welcome! Thanks for stopping by :)
@Hexspa
@Hexspa 6 лет назад
Nice vid. Looking into making graphic videos like this myself.
@chadhouston5836
@chadhouston5836 5 лет назад
They should of called this video "the holy grail to poker"
@Charlie_Ses
@Charlie_Ses 5 лет назад
Good vid. The only comments I have are about playing "loose, aggressive": 1) This is the hardest way of playing to get right, it's very easy to get in a lot of trouble playing like this, and I would only try playing this way when you have a very sound understanding of playing tight aggressive. 2) Imo you should only play loose aggressive in rare circumstances. Rarely when there are other loose aggressive players at the table, and only when you have built a rep for not playing that way, or when you're hot maybe?
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 5 лет назад
I agree that you should mix up your play and know when to switch gears. The best time to be LAG is when the table is tight passive.
@hannahtariq7158
@hannahtariq7158 5 лет назад
Thankyou so much for this. There's something about your voice that makes me listen and absorb, haha. Xx
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 5 лет назад
Lol. Thx.
@calvinscott9110
@calvinscott9110 7 лет назад
Genious dude, awesome stuff!
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 7 лет назад
Thanks!
@johnspence8141
@johnspence8141 6 лет назад
It's a good concept. We're human not robots. I used to apply this theory: Everyone plays well until they run out of patience...lets see who runs out of patience first. So when you finally get the guy to call off drawing, or commit with ace rag, etc...thats where the profit comes from. But it is NOT true that everyone plays equally well.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video. Run good!
@Beanmachine91
@Beanmachine91 6 лет назад
the fish these days have evolved, TV poker has inspired a lot of people like me, someday i will no longer be a neophyte with a low win rate
@gatorcash1710
@gatorcash1710 7 лет назад
i can tell your passionate keep it up
@AnthonyVickersSoulJahTYah
@AnthonyVickersSoulJahTYah 6 лет назад
Cool vid subscribed - just wanted to know if your a winning poker player - whats ur name and where do u play etc
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Hi and thanks! Yes, I play mostly at Ignition now. Here is a link to my profile on my website that will give more info about me. I also did a video series called "the spare change challenge", where I recorded my journey grinding up $25 into $4,000 in just a few months. You can find more about it in the description of my RU-vid channel. automaticpoker.com/about-the-author/
@AnthonyVickersSoulJahTYah
@AnthonyVickersSoulJahTYah 6 лет назад
Nice one u in USA? or ? - i was just reading your 15 poker tells - well thought out il keep track and watch some more vids - im a tournament player -7/8 yrs micro at Stars - im UK based - i know i should of been playing cash games long ago - but i only invest 10- 20 bukz a month - ive won 13k over yrs not sure if its profitble tho as i take out half or more if i win - as i been a tournee grinder no work for a few yrs - thyroid issue - ok now - so im seeking to go cash games too ..but on benefits still till i develop my biz project - so i kept busy in poker info and follow a few vloggers - u should do a vlog maybe - best wishes at the tables .. victoryv111 poker name
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Cool, good luck with your foray into cash games, I hope I can help you become a winner! I have experimented with vlogging but unfortunately, my life is pretty boring lol If I ever do any more live play in Vegas or wherever, I may vlog the trip. Thanks for the tip.
@AnthonyVickersSoulJahTYah
@AnthonyVickersSoulJahTYah 6 лет назад
Coool il keep u updated :)
@TopSpinWilly
@TopSpinWilly 6 лет назад
I won a $3.30 pokerstars heads up 837 entry zoom tournament last night. I never played headsup before except if i was lucky in a toyrnament. I did exactly what Tommy suggested loose aggressive small ball. Really loise aggro. 97 off suit became a good hand from the button. Very few open folds. Won a paltry $330 since it paid 1sy and 2nd $30/12. The $ was made on bounties...bounty builder. I was very happy as it added greatly to the bankroll. Now i have to try to adapt this to regular turbos like bigs $11/$22/ $33 i think.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Congratz!
@renierdejito9787
@renierdejito9787 5 лет назад
nice.
@ryanlally9628
@ryanlally9628 7 лет назад
because the math never equals out, its avg set of outcomes, but it could never be more then an estimation.
@kengeohegan2834
@kengeohegan2834 5 лет назад
The concept of reciprocality is deeply flawed for poker. It may be just fine for a game in which everyone is playing a game theory optimal game with the same starting stacks for each hand. In reality, stack sizes, bet sizes vary and few hands are against a single game theory optimal opponent. As an illustration, consider more than just aces vs. kings. How about aces vs. tens? Aces vs. KQ? How about J-10 off vs. 78 suited? Where do you draw the line between the hands that reciprocity applies to and ones where it doesn't? Without a boundary between hands where the concept applies and hands where it doesn't, it should apply to all hands. If it applies to all players and all hands, how do the 3% (or 8%) of players make money? A good test of this concept would be to ask professionals with many thousands of hours of play if they make money over the long run with aces. My guess it that most of them will refute the validity of the reciprocity concept.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 5 лет назад
It's just an abstract concept that gets people thinking about what drives profit in poker, it's not something to apply practically to your sessions.
@Beanmachine91
@Beanmachine91 6 лет назад
tilt is sub-optimal play made on the basis of being pissed off, or whatever poor ass decision making you a donk
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Beanmachine91 hard tilt, yes.. that's "goodbye bankroll" monkey tilt lol. Soft tilt is sub optimal play that happens for reasons you may not even be aware of, like being tired.. or distracted. A game turns into b game. Thanks for commenting and good luck at the tables!
@ryanlally9628
@ryanlally9628 7 лет назад
not sure you are right when u say the aa vs kk and kk vs aa has to balance out, i agree math says yea over a huge sample it will balance out, but its actually not true. the odds of winning the lottery arent very good either, but you could play for all eternity and never win, or you could win 6 times in a row. nothing states that the math has to hold up, anomalies happen all the time.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 7 лет назад
There is no guarantee of anything in reality, it's all theory.
@1chance4life76
@1chance4life76 6 лет назад
ryan lally and thats where variance kicks in and messes the math all up lol nothing is for sure but you can only base your desicions on your resources, the math, your experience, and your opponent
@Wide2point1x3bets
@Wide2point1x3bets 6 лет назад
I feel like this concept applies to cash games more than sng’s and mtt’s
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Gaaangster well yes and no. The prize pool affects strategy but the basic concepts still work. Good observation btw.
@visiondouble1031
@visiondouble1031 5 лет назад
Majority of pros income is coming from Cash games though
@1chance4life76
@1chance4life76 6 лет назад
i disagree with the AA vs KKs i understand your point but im more likely to fold kks pre than aa so more times than not i get away from being the one behind
@honglee6100
@honglee6100 6 лет назад
the lie in poker overall is that you have a chance of being a winning life time player or even breaking even . its not due to skills or luck at the table . a majority of players lose money to the house cocaine the bad beat jackpot is one of the things that makes people feel good about giving away there money . my advice play for fun dont expect to win and if u do savor the moment enjoy the agony of losing with AA to 6-8 and krushing kings with AA for 200 big blinds.
@DrunkenGuitarGuy
@DrunkenGuitarGuy 5 лет назад
i love reading the comments in these videos to see all the know-it-alls weigh in on poker, youtube comments r FULL of know-it-alls in general, i'm sure all the people in the comments r big winners right?? RIGHT?? LOLOLOLOL
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 5 лет назад
LOL good observation.. you're right. At least I admit I am a fish that has a long way to go :)
@Sneekser
@Sneekser 6 лет назад
I'm sorry. I disagree with almost everything you said. First off...I'll get aces vs Kings in anytime...I only need to win 5/10 to be profitable if we are talking about a single buy in going in. Big pots are exactly where you make your money. An 8 hour session could be even til you flop that boat and someone bluff shoves so you walk away up. People are absolutely not just trading money back and forth...if I win three sessions in a row and only lose one buy in before I won another session I haven't traded with anyone. Having a win rate of 20$ per hour is actually not that hard over a long term. If only 10% of people made money at poker then nobody would play. A player who isn't playing for a living could triple up and then lose his next three bullets before he's down at all. Sorry...I just flat out disagree with you. Although I think you are spot on about the tilting.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
jeff kugel hey man, thanks for the comment. I completely agree with you about how big hands work. The entire point of the video was to just make people aware not to forget to maximize marginal hands or seek out profit where others aren't looking. Tommy Angelo' s reciprocality was the inspiration for that part of the video. I was speaking about theoretical profit, not trying to discount the importance of playing big pots well. It's mostly about long term perspective I guess.
@joemanna491
@joemanna491 5 лет назад
@ Jeff: I don't get it!! Aces vs. kings and you only need to be 5/10 to be profitable?? Can you please explain?
@Kingkia33
@Kingkia33 5 лет назад
This is more relevant for online poker
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 5 лет назад
I am an online player yes, but the principles ring true for any poker game. The guy that came up with reciprocality if mostly a live player from what I understand.. Tommy Angelo.
@Kingkia33
@Kingkia33 5 лет назад
@@AutomaticPoker I understand. It's just easier said than done in practice. It's tough not to make the exploitative move when you aren't seeing those spots come up as often as you need for the long run to play out in real life.
@billphilips8522
@billphilips8522 6 лет назад
it would be nice if it said something specific, you know what i mean?
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Indeed. This is a video on theory though. :) I am working on a lot more specific stuff currently, check out automaticpoker.com for updates. There are 40 or so articles on there atm and I wrote a book as well. Also, you can get free strategy charts.
@billphilips8522
@billphilips8522 6 лет назад
what theory? the theory of not really saying anything?
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
bill philips exactly... That's actually a great title for a video. I may steal that one from you.
@LordDragon1965
@LordDragon1965 6 лет назад
So in point 3 you're talking about the difference between Daniel Negreanu and Phil Hellmuth.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
LOL seems so :)
@Shawk95
@Shawk95 6 лет назад
Not all players get the same cards in a repertoire manner. Hence, I beg to differ that nobody wins except the house. Its not a zero-sum game. Players have good days and bad days. Long-term winning depends on (1) Strict risk management, and (2) Taking advantage when 'running good' and being patient when 'running bad'.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
What I meant is that if everyone plays exactly the same, rake will eat everyone alive.
@Kevin-he3ew
@Kevin-he3ew 5 лет назад
I beg to differ on some parts, knowing when to let hands go is crucial to making bad mistakes. People run out of patience is what it is
@phillypanch1907
@phillypanch1907 5 лет назад
Bankroll is important. Some guys at the 1/2 tables dont care about gambling to see the flop. I've seen awesome hands destroyed by bigger bank rolled players who could afford to take a loss. Just to see the cards and to see if the other player is full of shit.
@antemartinis6730
@antemartinis6730 5 лет назад
500+500-500+500=1000 in my opinion, and yeah not everybody plays premium hands equal, some of them are limpers so over the long run will not make the money as pros will.
@justinbrailsford4561
@justinbrailsford4561 5 лет назад
SHIT HAPPENS!!! HAHAHAHA CLASSIC
@CounterStrikeLover10
@CounterStrikeLover10 5 лет назад
Im playing more with the chips rather than the cards tbh
@davidsin263
@davidsin263 6 лет назад
You base your entire first point on gamblers fallacy. The fact is, the long run is not single player dependent. It has to do with the total of all hands dealt anywhere. Therefore not every player gets the same amount of good/bad hands. It’s totally random and every hand is brand new. Theoretically one player could be dealt aces every hand and another could never be dealt them at all. Now that’s obviously a ridiculous and unrealistic example. But it’s absolutely possible and the sad state is some people just DO run better or worse than what the odds say over an extended period of time.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
The gambler's fallacy just means that someone places bets based on what has happened in the past thinking that things will even out.. which of course, is not guaranteed. Just because the roulette wheel came up black 10 straight times does not mean it will come up red 50 of the next 90 times. I get what you mean.. it just has nothing to do with this video. I think you are taking me literally when I say that everyone will pick up the same hands over a lifetime.. what I mean is that you have to treat it as if everyone will.. cause they theoretically will right? And since we aren't playing against one person but the field, it really doesn't matter anyway. My first point just says that you should always take the most profitable course of action based on the odds of what might happen... the most +EV play in ALL situations, not just the big hands. Seeking out profit is the key and it has nothing to do with what has already occured.. that's just tilt talk. I do agree that not everyone runs equally well, but that's not the point. I have painfully faced some of the worst negative variance imaginable. The point is profit comes from how well our opponents play each and every machination of all situations based on how well we also play those same similar spots. It's a really complicated concept to grasp, I know.. but that's the gist of it. The good news is, we don't have to completely grasp the concept of reciprocality to benefit from it. All we need to do is just try to find the best way possible to play every situation we face.. that comes from building in a really solid default game and having equally solid default lines that we can adjust with based on the tendencies of our opponents that we gather via observation and HUD stats (if applicable). In short, we try to win theoretical money, not base decisions on luck.
@deejay9371
@deejay9371 6 лет назад
This is for on line poker players
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
It's really for any poker player. I do happen to be an online player so it might seem that way.
@trevinom69
@trevinom69 6 лет назад
Dude, you might know poker, but your math is a little bit lacking. 500+500-500+500 does not equal 0...it equals +1000!!! I'm assuming, what you meant was (500+500) - (500+500) = 0
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
yup it's (500+500) - (500+500) = 0, but wasn't meant as a math equation anyway.. just an illustration of reciprocality. And yes, I am terrible at math :) RU-vid doesn't allow annotations anymore for a correction, but I did add a card at the top that will popup at this point in the video.
@DaVIdTCH772
@DaVIdTCH772 7 лет назад
But how to know there is bad player in the table?
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 7 лет назад
If you have a HUD online, typically players with VPIP greater than 40% should be considered bad. 60% and you should be thanking the poker Gods for allowing you the opportunity to sit with such a player. If you are playing live, you will need to look for some tell tale factors. 1. Are they limping often? 2. Do they check and call a lot post-flop and almost never raise or bet themselves? 3. Do they check their cards immediately upon receiving them? If any of these are true, you can probably categorize the player as bad or a fish. By the way, the last one isn't a sure bet.. there are some very good players who check immediately, but it is much rarer to see a good player do it versus a bad one.
@christiantonello8905
@christiantonello8905 6 лет назад
Pominlo Chun bad players tend to call too much, limp or call especially out of position (OOP). They also tend to call or check-call postflop. In one word: They play passively and play aggressively only their big hands (top-two pair or better. How to actually get to know it quickly at the table? There's software's like HEM or Poker Tracker that keep note of all players actions and put the stats right on every player on the table you are playing at. A bit of study and some video's will help you through the process of understanding stats and how to make them useful. You start with 3 stats and as you learn you add more at your preference. Gl@your games! ;)
@Snow_Pulse
@Snow_Pulse 4 года назад
I’m more of a mule type person
@welovelibraries4556
@welovelibraries4556 6 лет назад
3% is closer. 10% long term winners is way way off.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
No one knows for sure, but you could be right. It's really hard to win at poker.
@welovelibraries4556
@welovelibraries4556 6 лет назад
AutomaticPoker also I’ve played primarily in Los Angeles for the last 2 decades as a profitable player live only
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Max Morgan cool, wish I had casinos close by. How are the games nowadays at the various stakes?
@welovelibraries4556
@welovelibraries4556 6 лет назад
AutomaticPoker way down less & less rec players
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
I guess that is the trend. The last time I played pub poker the games had changed drastically from 5 years ago. It's probably just part of the natural evolution of the game. I am confident that there is just enough of a gambling aspect that it will never be considered "solved" and you will still have enough recs to make it worthwhile.
@welovelibraries4556
@welovelibraries4556 6 лет назад
Your first concept is actually a great example of how people use math & stats way incorrectly. Your assumptions are wrong. Not even close does “everyone play their big hands correctly”
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Max Morgan that's true, but the point is that everyone makes money with their big hands. The difference in total profit over a career between two players playing big hands is likely narrower than more marginal spots where expert players excel.
@welovelibraries4556
@welovelibraries4556 6 лет назад
AutomaticPoker you misunderstand- the point IS NOT everyone plays their big hands profitability nor are big hands necessarily as profitable as players assume. For example. Pocket Aces will lose 25% of the time & even higher at lower stakes where more players will call to see the flop.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
My overarching point is that people pay too much attention to the strong hands and not enough to the other end of the spectrum. All situations must be maximized, just allowing for this possibility creates situations that may not be on someone's radar. For more perspective, here is an article that may help shed light on my meaning. www.tommyangelo.com/reciprocality/
@tonypovilitus2408
@tonypovilitus2408 6 лет назад
Ok well 1/3 of poker is finding a good game bad players or rich don't care players come on brah
@rylwin8585
@rylwin8585 6 лет назад
I've been studying top poker tips and found an awesome website at Card Crusher Fixer (google it if you're interested)
@shakethese317
@shakethese317 6 лет назад
unless u play bovads where a straight comes every other hand it pays to play like shit
@vitunjumalauta
@vitunjumalauta 6 лет назад
$500+$500-$500+$500=$1000
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
The player on the left makes 1000, the player on the right makes 1000.. no one makes anything over the long term. It wasn't mean to be a math equation. (was waiting for a math person to point that out lol)
@vitunjumalauta
@vitunjumalauta 6 лет назад
Yeah I'm just joking here Nice video btw...
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Thanks, man. BTW, I admit I'm terrible at math, maybe this is a bad hobby for me? lol
@Charlie_Ses
@Charlie_Ses 5 лет назад
@@AutomaticPoker Just need some brackets around the left half of equation and the right one! Otherwise technically it reads wrong!!
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 5 лет назад
Yup, mistake I didn't realize because I wasn't intending it to be a math exercise. I would love to just make the correction but it's impossible to fix without reuploading the video... would lose all the comments and views, etc. Hopefully, anyone watching should understand the intent and realize it wasn't supposed to be a math equation in the first place. It just means the left side is this, the right side is that, they cancel each other out.
@tonypovilitus2408
@tonypovilitus2408 6 лет назад
90% wrong like all sponsored players make profit so it can't be that high prob 75%
@tragedy_723
@tragedy_723 7 лет назад
8 to 10% are you fucking kidding me, man :(? Why so low, what happened? Why is the dream not real? Also when you say everyone would gladly get KK all in pre, not true at all for full ring micros, I've folded kings pre full ring and I know I've done the right thing over and over again against the correct player types. If you're getting all in pre KK in micros 100% or over 90%* of the time an opportunity of that sort comes up, you're the fish, it's that simple. If in 10 KK folds all in pre I was right 7 times and wrong 3, which could be a very good ballpark, it's a victory and wins me (assuming the sample of 550 KK dealt to get to 10x KK pre folds) It would raise my win rate by a full 0.146bb/100, which is a substantial edge if we consider all-time win rates like, do I wanna be 8.9bb/100 or a real 9.06 of a man who really crushes the game
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 7 лет назад
No one knows exactly how many people are not winners long term, but it has a lot to do with rake. Also, a huge amount of people still see it as gambling and don't take the time to learn. Serious players with potential may not be winners because of tilt or bad game selection. The good news is, these are all skills we can work on. Anyone can be part of that 8-10%, with the right knowledge. Thanks for the great comment!
@tragedy_723
@tragedy_723 7 лет назад
thx! It has to do with the rake indeed, in my sample, I'm losing 5bb/100 to rake. 5 biggs, that is substantial and it's just the micros which have reduced rake. and it's also the skill gap, a completely new poker player doesn't understand the frequency of hand distribution or hand distribution in spots and how people call his bluff down properly (hint: because, if regs, they both play nitty to have good starting hands and have HUD reads on the new player) If you're talking poker in general, including live cash and softer online sites, your 8 to 10% could be very correct. But if we take, say $5nl cash ZOOM on Stars and take people actually playing, the real amount of losing players are only like 70% maybe 75% and most of the losers are $2nl players losing their shot or really bad regs, the real fish is scarce. What do you think about folding KK pre, 9 max. Do you think I'm right or do you think I'm too mortal of a poker player to correctly guess right fold spots, say, even 6 out of 10 times if not full 7?
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 7 лет назад
I was talking about lifetime, not a particular game over a sample. I'm sure there is a time and a place to fold KK, but so rare it's not worth discussing.
@BAlvn-yr6ej
@BAlvn-yr6ej 7 лет назад
That's probably about right...in large part because of all the recreational players that go to Vegas once a year and get drunk and usually lose. And of course the rake both online and live...that sucks the life out of the game, and causes many marginal players (who actually are winning a little against the other players) to end up losing. How many really serious players are there out there? I think almost anyone that is very serious about it, reads the best books, and gets in 2000+ hours of play (maybe less live) could become a winner...but how many people have the time, money, and/or ambition to do all that? Ask around...most players haven't read a single book...of course they are going to lose...especially beginners who get lucky a few times and get bad play (chasing with terrible pot odds, particularly) reinforced early in their career.
@BAlvn-yr6ej
@BAlvn-yr6ej 7 лет назад
i have to agree...folding KK pre is something that is EV- i don't care what anyone says...you are about 70-30 vs. AK, 50-50 vs. KK (duh) and 80-20 against QQ- ...and what about all the bluffers out there? there simply are not that many combos of AA and still have a 20% chance to win still... i might fold KK if 3 or 4 players out of 9 are all-in but then you are getting such good pot odds for hitting another king you still cant fold. Yes, hard to imagine.
@aeris2001
@aeris2001 6 лет назад
Wtf, you've got the order wrong. A donkey comes after a fish, fish are the worst players
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Indeed
@Jakeverhart
@Jakeverhart 4 года назад
Tl;dr Play with bad player and you’ll win
@chrisdall
@chrisdall 6 лет назад
first step dont play?
@tomonetruth
@tomonetruth 4 года назад
I found it a bit irritating to be repeatedly told that "X is the single most important concept...", with X changing every time. Some good stuff here, maybe, but way too much superlative and exaggeration.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 4 года назад
Unfortunately in poker, the thing someone isn't doing well is the most important thing for them. If someone plays without enough money, bankroll management is the most important thing for them. If they are only focused on short term results, then a misunderstanding of the long term is most important. So yeah, I agree that "most important" is floated around too much. Which is why I usually say "one of the most important".. of course, I may slip up and give the wrong idea, if I did in this old video.. sorry about that.
@tomonetruth
@tomonetruth 4 года назад
@@AutomaticPoker hmmm, what a courteous response. I feel like a total bastard now.
@davidsson4927
@davidsson4927 3 года назад
You just got AA and won a big hand, but you really didn’t win anything. And that 80” tv on the wall you paid for with your winnings isn’t really there. The next time to get around this dilemma is the next time you get AA and the BB shoves just FOLD! This will cause a rift in the universe and all normal odds will not apply. Back door flushes will now be good enough to shove with. People will say “dam, you are so lucky” when in fact it is not luck, it’s because your universe is just stuck on tilt.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 3 года назад
I folded AA when I timed out the other day. No rift for me. :(
@bkmayor
@bkmayor 5 лет назад
Play outside the box to be profitable!
@geoffreysnyder7602
@geoffreysnyder7602 5 лет назад
Lol this is scripted like the original 90s videos they put in school for e-learning before dial up
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 5 лет назад
I is a professional for. The 90s lol
@AVERYhornyMrDinosaur
@AVERYhornyMrDinosaur 6 лет назад
i just wanted to say something about how you mention the same thing over and over.. i mean you really beat a dead horse.. you never stop repeating yourself. you just keep going on, and on repeating the same thing. you say things, but then that thing you said was what you already said previously.. im not sure if you understand what im saying, but its as if you already said something, and then said it again! you have a tendency to say things that hold the same meaning, twice or more times. this is what it could look like represented mathematically 1+1*x=(amount of times you say something) here is a link to what you are doing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flogging_a_dead_horse reply to me if you need any further help understanding how much you repeat yourself.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Yeah, it's very important to understand this stuff. I worked from a script tho, to not repeat too much. It helps to take things from different angles tho, some people have trouble getting this stuff. Better to be safe than sorry on getting a point across. Sorry it bugged ya.
@Kingkia33
@Kingkia33 5 лет назад
You're obviously not a professional poker player... If you were you'd realize it takes a very big sample size, sometimes decades, for what you are saying to be true in live poker...
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 5 лет назад
I'm not a professional poker player, just a normal guy that plays poker as a hobby and pass along what I learn. I covered this topic in my most recent article by the way, check it out at automaticpoker.com/lifestyle/what-percentage-of-poker-players-win/. And 1 tabling in live poker allows someone to play their A++ game more often than a multi-tabling online player. This makes establishing a winning trajectory easier over the short to mid term. So the long term for an online player might be 500k hands but only 100k hands for a live player.. which takes 3ish years to achieve playing a part-time schedule.
@Shawk95
@Shawk95 6 лет назад
Actually, players get rich by winning a couple of big hands in daily sessions comprising of several hours of grinding. This is how the 'regs' make a living. The trick is not to risk the entire bankroll after getting lucky and lose it back.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
What about the big hands that they lose during losing sessions? Don't they balance out the big hands won over the long term? My premise is that the real earnings come from grinding out every poker spot. Sure, the big hands are what dictates a winning session for the most part. But when you strip away each situation and look at them individually, it's the one who is making more than his average opponent in the most spots that really shows a long-term profit over their career. Let me give you an over-simplified and extreme example of how profit works in poker. Imagine that you are playing a lifetime of poker sessions in one big 10 million hand marathon session. Except that you get the same exact situation, or a similar one, 10,000 straight times. Then another situation 10,000 straight times. But here's the kicker. During each of those "mini" sessions, your opponents will each exactly have the same situation as you. I know that's not possible, but pretend that it is. You keep doing this until you have faced basically every possible situation that you could ever face at the poker table. What's your profit or loss the first 10k? The 2nd 10k? Add up all of the 10 sessions and then you see if you won money over your career or not. Also, I guarantee that you will be surprised at which situations make the most profit. Here's a hint, it almost certainly won't be the "big" hands. It'll be something like open-raising 32o on the button with weak-tight players behind you... assuming you make the adjustment!
@ayyo1579
@ayyo1579 5 лет назад
AutomaticPoker The thing is no human is going to play enough live poker to ever realize a large enough sample size to have that many situations to grind out. On average you get 30 hands an hour. Even a full time pro playing 40 hrs a week will only see about 60K hands per year. Over a long 30-40 year career we are talking about 2-2.5 million hands tops and thats for full time pros. For semi-pros/hobbyists the # is going to be half of that or even less. This is why online poker during the hayday before black friday was so vital because by 12, 16, or even 20 tabling you could conceivably play 1 million hands in a year and actually be on track to get to the # of hands needed to where that grinding out spots strategy works to maximize profits. In live poker (ESPECIALLY at stakes $5/10 and below) the profit predominantly comes from playing tight, aggressive, and value heavy. Managing the odds and pot geometry to ensure that you get involved in big pots when you have higher equities so you take down a larger percentage than you lose.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 5 лет назад
Well said. That is true that profitable live poker is heavily dependent on exploitative play. Even so, the source of profit does come from countering those errors.. which is what reciprocality is all about. They do something a lot worse than us.. we profit.
@andrasolivier7185
@andrasolivier7185 6 лет назад
500+500-500+500 = 1000 not fkin 0
@TheGamingGuide
@TheGamingGuide 6 лет назад
I often only lose at poker because I'm unlucky.
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Luck sucks over the short term, but long term luck becomes much less of a factor or even a complete non factor. It's my number one tip to beginners and intermediate players that luck does not exist. Here is an article I wrote recently that explains. automaticpoker.com/poker-basics/beginner-poker-tips/
@TheGamingGuide
@TheGamingGuide 6 лет назад
Yeah, the thing is I always get unlucky in the absolute key spots. Those spots where if I could just fucking win with 70,80 or 90% in all ins maybe even 3 or 4 way pots. I'd actually go deeper and get a nice payout to pay for many torunament buy ins in a row. So yeah short term for sure, but for me the short term is always when it fucking matters and when I've the opportunity to win alot of money back.
@willguggn2
@willguggn2 6 лет назад
Sounds like bankroll management issues.
@TheGamingGuide
@TheGamingGuide 6 лет назад
+willguggn2 Obviously it leads to bankroll issues when I lose every time in keyspots.
@ryanlally9628
@ryanlally9628 7 лет назад
there is a such thing as lifetime run good, and there is such thing as lifetime run bad, the only way to win is to gain higher levels of information then your opponents, rendering lifetime run good and lifetime run bad not relevant.
@ghostblack2261
@ghostblack2261 6 лет назад
500+500-500+500=1000 :"}
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
Ghost Black yeah if you view it as a math equation. I explained this in a prior comment if ya scroll down a bit. It just means 1000 -1000 is 0. Reciprocality. Just put parenthesis around each side if ya want to make it a math equation.
@luc-405
@luc-405 5 лет назад
wow this video is so basic... taught me nothing
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 5 лет назад
It's a beginner video.
@ElliePetrova24
@ElliePetrova24 6 лет назад
There are women here too, let’s not be sexist
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 6 лет назад
The more women the better, since they make better poker players imo.. more mentally stable lol :)
@stevo6572
@stevo6572 4 года назад
You talk a lot but say very little !!
@AutomaticPoker
@AutomaticPoker 4 года назад
Yes, I know. My wife says the same thing. :p
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