What's up guys, hope you enjoyed our latest video! Here is a link to another arm throw video that demonstrates how to use a dummy to train your throws. Enjoy! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2Gd75LxVG-g.html
I hear what your saying but just to give some clarity to John's point I think John was more concerned with someone countering with instant hooks and turning your 2 on one into a seat belt.
Yes I understand his point and it is taken but every move has drawbacks when done improperly. What I didn’t say is the ankle pick has drawbacks as well that he didn’t discuss. It may make for a good future video with all due respect. 🤙
@@neongamer721 It means you can take this sort of treatment for hours. I used to be the go to Uke for my instructors to throw around and demo anything. So yes you can get used to this. I agree everyone will eventually tire or hit fatigue - but it would be much longer than what we saw in this video for a fit experienced Uke.
@nomadic potato This video is overrated because they don't have any defence from punching in this video, it's all well and good being able to throw someone, but there's plenty of moments where he'd be eating fists to the face.
@nomadic potato I prefer to learn for the purpose of self defence, tournament sports, while fun, are rarely useful in real world scenarios. They find a practical use for this in their sport, that's great, but they need to clarify that these techniques have a high probability of failure in a real fight. You assume just because I play video games, after you stalked my channel, that means I have no real world experience. You're sorely mistaken. Also, it's Battlefield, not battleground, I don't play that battle royale fad shit. Side note, I think you don't have a clear grasp of the terms overrated and underrated.
@nomadic potato I haven't missed the point, I know what you're saying, which you are just repeating again and again. But what I am saying is, these tournaments are pointless, when they have no real world application. What good is it, being able to throw someone who's getting into position for you to throw them, when you could be learning to throw someone, who's trying to prevent you from throwing them using every ability they have. It's like Larping. Humanity loves to make rules and regulations, suffocating individuals with society. "Trying to sell a game of rules and pretend, in a world where you can only own what you can defend." - Greydon Square Nature could easily come along and bite these tournament winners in the arse one day, say a black belt tournament judo champion, gets cornered in an alleyway by a group of men with knives and clubs. I bet you, when the group of men are done, and the champion is bleeding out in the alley, he looks back and wishes he'd learned how to defend himself properly, instead of playing make believe. It's a harsh reality, and one many would balk from, but I'd personally only want to train for reality, over training to get some crappy trophies that are useless weight.
John Danaher's point (remember he was marketing his instructional) was not that throws in which you turn your back to your opponent don't work in Jiu Jitsu, rather that they take more expertise and training to do well and safely. His stated goal was to teach techniques that he could have beginners hitting reliably in a few months. I would agree with him in that, whether coaching Wrestling or Jiu Jitsu, Arm Throws are not among the first things I teach beginners. For one with the mobility and body mechanics, however, they can be very efficient throws and are among my personal favorites. Well worth learning to do well.
Point taken. My last thought is that moves aren’t equal for everybody. Some people “adapt” to moves easier than others. For some an arm throw is their easiest and most effective technique, for others it’s an ankle pick. If everyone works on their ankle picks because John said to, it just makes ankle picks harder to pull off and arm throws easier. I would promote all effective techniques.
I think part of John’s point also had to do with the risk of a failed attempt putting you in a very bad position. Especially for beginners. (Like me 😉) failed ankle pick? No big deal. Failed throw? I’m getting choked out.
Another thing to consider is that You don’t need to get the joke right away. While holding the arm and wrist helps prevent the choke from being put on, it won’t always prevent someone from getting hooks and seatbelt position where they can later work for the choke. Still one of my Favorite throws, I just try to make sure it’s explosive enough that none of the other variables become a problem. Harder to do with trained guys. I love the variations though.
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I feel like that Bulgarian seems extremely useful to me idk why. In the cage when you go for that wrist control people seem to panick a little and that split second of them being uncomfortable is just the edge you need. Love the vid 💪
In the 1970'S I taught a friend the one arm throw. I taught him to try to touch his nose to his knee when he threw me. He actually threw me 7 feet away and off the Matt. I said, " That will work." And we both had a good laugh. 😁
Great information. I started using the last throw my season year in high school. I used it in the Finals of Doc Buchanan. That was the 5th time I had wrestled this finalist. I showed him something he had never seen from me before. I for the rest of the match he did not want to engage. Good to have as part of your offense.
Just to clarify; The Judo version of a one arm shoulder throw (Ippon Seio Nage) does not involve bringing the opponent's arm (uki's) up around your neck. Ideally it stays on the shoulder and in the crook of the arm ... thus Shoulder Throw (not a neck throw). This should reduce the risk of giving the opponent a choke - but stuff happens. The old Katas do have it come up around the neck but modern completion style keeps it on the shoulder. Even if you score with the throw, Ippon (1 point for the win) isn't guaranteed so the attacker (tori) has to be prepared to continue the match on the ground.
This video is the perfect bridge for people taking gi takedown classes at their BJJ academy and also taking no gi classes with sparring that starts standing. Thank you so much guys. Very clear explanation and demonstration. Really appreciate the basics in detail.
Wow. This in my opinion, is the best grappling channel on you tube. And I follow quite a few of them. Love how you guys integrate the best techniques, from many disciplines . Instead of taking a narrow minded , one discipline approach.
Those were great throws. The setups were well done, so very informative. I watch your channel all the time because you do different arts combining what works.
That "Bulgarian" tie up, is actually very effecting, especially agaisnt armed opponents or people who have some grappling experience. Not many people train that and going for the toss isolates that wrist. Powerful
I love this. I found this video because I noticed that BJJ guys give these up all the time almost like a gimme. I was a wrestler in high school (20 years ago) and know the arms spin, so I gave it a go and started hitting it on everyone. Black belts even. They tie up and defend the shot by moving their legs away and leave the space open for a throw. For months I saw the opening and pondered if the throw series would work for BJJ. Yep it does but you have to get it tight and maintain control. I began looking for videos on how to tighten up the technique and found this. Pure gold! The first one you show here, the shoulder throw from the collar tie works great too. After watching this I went to class and hit that throw on one of our blue belts. As I was in side control he said I shouldn’t do that throw because it gives up my back. So we stood up and we did it again. Again he did collar tie and again I executed the shoulder throw. He still, even knowing it was coming couldn’t take the back. By holding onto me the best he could do is slow it down but still ended up getting thrown. If the throw is tight there isn’t enough space and he’s going for a ride. Awesome content. Love the channel.
This is great! I'm used to that sort of high grip, but I'm going to switch to the wrist grip. Even without it, transitioning from wrestling to BJJ, I never worried about chokes when executing arm throws. It just never happened, even with higher belts. Maybe it's the speed of the move or just the element of surprise. I don't know. I've always believed that once I get a man off of his feet, he's more worried about his landing, and I'm already 2 moves ahead of him. It'd be great to hear your take, Coach Brian!
I also agree that it’s speed. The throw occurs in less than a second. Wayyy to little time to realize what’s going on and then execute a choke. Seems possible when you view things in slow-mo or you are going step by step but not in a real fight no way.
As coach pointed out, this one is not trained that much in grappling community, so if you have a wrestling background it's pretty easy to surprise your opponent with an Arm throw. Just gotta adjust it for submissions. Devil is in the details.
Great stuff! I love how you and your coaches walk us through the positions and why they work. As a newbie to grappling, this is super helpful and also makes me geek out lol
Love these three different approaches to a shoulder/arm throw! I have a Judo background and I think they are a fantastic alternative that can easily be worked into your fight game. Well done Anton and Brian!
If you're throwing him by his right arm, the key is that when you land your right shoulder nails his pec/delt junction to the mat. This completely shuts down a back take. Then you swi your right arm over his chest and under his neck to finish in head-n-arm top position. Also Anton is often popping up momentarily when he steps under before he throws. Someone good will take advantage of that The refinements I mentioned here came from Billy A. Robinson, Catch Commonwealth Heavyweight World Champion, to me in private coaching. Its a great underutilized throw. Nice video.
"It's there because it works, you just have to learn how to use it".. wish someone has shared this universally applicable treasure of a line with people like icy mike before he had trashed on striking. Just because he can't use his kicks doesn't mean kicks are useless, just means he sucks at throwing them.
I love it how they’ve pointed out it won’t always work the technique does have it flaws in a street situation or another martial art which a good coach will always do
I’ve got bad knees so drop seio nages are hard for me, however I’ve had success doing basically the last throw but from the collar tie instead of the overhook setup. Lock the tie then basically do a side break fall into the tie. The only thing is yeah, you have to start swimming the second you hit the ground or it turns neutral fast.
Very nice 👍🏼 - we have several throws in Hapkido that are similar - on the third one, with your upper back on his chest it is much like a back escape in Jiu Jitsu when you turn over for top control & there’s a potential brabo choke available.
The key is your feet position... and how you move to the back step... hip position and leveraging your body so it takes the throw and affects the position... it’s like a punch with hips.. it also allows you to escape if you lose the arm
