30 Super Carry Ballistics Test! This is a serious hotrod! 

" retired government thug" There I fixed it

superb new round. Better than the 9mm IMO. But blasty indeed...

Military Arms Channel has done a lot to capture that percussion in audio.

In Colorado, I have to put an ear plug in the bottom of the 16 round magazines to cut capacity to 15 rounds to meet our state's high-capacity requirements. Carrying with one in the pipe brings it back to 16 rounds legally. This apparently makes sense to some.

A sig MACRO in 30SC with flush fit 20rd mags would be sweet.

A super small carry gun and a full size with ridiculous capacity would make this cartridge take off

30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

@@patrickbolding9729 30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

I've been thinking about the 30 super. Seems to basically be just another 9mm but slightly smaller. What I've been thinking is what if you down load the powder charge for the 30 super to make the recoil much less, then it could be basically the new and improved 32 acp without a rim to make feeding much easier and shooting far more pleasant.

Why are you screaming!!!!!?????

You're not weird... you just like cool stuff

30 super is better than 9mm？？sure？

Glock 17 probably 20 rounds, G19, maybe 17-18.

What Glock needs to do is ditch the metal liner and develop a full metal magazine that would greatly increase the number of rounds inside those magazines. S15 magazines are a great example of that. 50% more rounds same size magazine on a Glock 43X.

@@agoogleuser2369 No it would not.G17 and other double stack pistols are already double stack. G43X/48 are 1 to 1,5 stack, that is why S15 do the magic.

Hi Pointe has it in their carbine line their carbines are really good

30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

My local shop has plenty of 30 SC in stock and the price is only about 1.50 more than 9mm for the same round count so I do not see it as a huge deterrent in getting into the Caliber. I would like to see this in a 4" barrel and compare the ballistics and recoil impulse. The other thing I would like to see being that it is a Federal round to begin with is some lipstick rounds for practice ammo. I bet that out of a 4" barrel that little bugger is trucking right along.

@@ramonandrajo6348 then don't buy it, I think it's great for those in countries where they can't have military calibers or where one wants a few extra rounds in a subcompact

@@imthatguy1878 Whatever, dude. ;)

@@ramonandrajo6348 gee troll every vid you comment on you get the same responses from people, you'd think you'd figure out why or you just love being a cuck

I agree. Ppk is one of my favorite guns but I never liked 380. A 30 super ppk would be awesome.

probably too much chamber pressure for simple blowback.

Do you think the straight blowback design could handle it?

Walther CCP

As awesome as that sounds, I don’t know how the recoil impulse is gonna feel with the 30 Super Carry. But man, I want that so bad too.

I'll stick to the .40. 135 grn underwoods hitting 1400fps+ from a g23. Not only destroys 9mm but 357mag in carry length barrels.

@@CL-ty6wp lol..

357 sig

@@FoulPet it lacks the capacity though.

@@themorningstar4512 What you're telling me is 15+1 rounds of near 357 mag power on tap with an extra 15 if you choose to carry one spare, isn't enough for you to get the job done? It's my opinion that a couple extra rounds won't help you.

I got the same message as u to a comment I posted, what's that about and how do u reply to it, it's looks like it came from MAC but it could be someone trying to scam us to,

If you look up the number online it comes from CA. It’s a scam. I wouldn’t call

I'd like to see the Jericho 941. Israeli CZ 75.

@@stevenkennedy4130 Israeli? Pass.

@@bigmal1690 anytime there's a number it's scam. They're all over youtube

Of coarse it did. Just ignore that though. Remember always ignore data that doesn’t reinforce your preconceived opinion.

@@MrCococda by all means you won't have to worry about me buying up all the 30 super carry lol. It's all yours!

@@theone031 I guess nobody’s buying it then. I’d buy a revolver in .327 fed first.

7,62х25 показал бы лучший результат по сравнению 9х19 и 30 Super! 7,62x25 would show a better result compared to 9x19 and 30 Super

Not to mention it had less penetration. Call me crazy but I want the round that is going to have a less chance of over penetrating and hurting someone else. Everyone uses that FBI test as a standard. However what people leave out is that test is for law enforcement not civilians. Law enforcement can get away with collateral damage that their rounds cause. Citizens generally can't.

Correct. It is DOA.

@@litsci4690 Not so fast...the SW shield plus 30 super carry is selling like hot cakes. I had to try 4 different stores to find one -- all saying that they can't keep them in stock. SW is setting the pace once again. The ability to carry 17 of a plenty deadly round in a micro is a great idea and it's taking off. I've had no problems finding ammo.

@@__documents2580 Smurfs, Garbage Pail Kids, Care Bears, Furby. Hang on to that gun. It'll be quite a conversation starter some day.

As much as you may try -- you can't argue against the increased capacity in a micro concealable firearm with the 30 SC. When you're fumbling around trying to load your 12 round sidecar mag during a firefight I will still be aiming and firing lead at the perp with a 16 +1 setup. Maybe you would be lucky enough to have sufficient cover to let you find the time to re-mag but I wouldn't count on it. The way you rattled off all those old toys -- you must have quite a few of them laying around your bedroom.

@@__documents2580 My 10mm has DOUBLE the energy--and makes a huge wound cavity. Can't say I'm worried about capacity. (Anyway, mine is a "New York" reload.)

I'm planning a few of my own builds around the 1911 platform in this caliber once barrels become available

According to the guys on glock talk, strength has little to do with it, and recoil control is all about "Technique."

30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

@@ramonandrajo6348 Not really, it's just a new cartridge, that's thinner, so you can have more bullets in a magazine. It has good performance if you use the right carry ammo. Otherwise, FMJ's wizz right through 36" of jell just like any other FMJ.

@@ericbergfield6451 And it has the same recoil as the 9mm, plus the fact that it's expensive, obviously not worth it.

@@ericbergfield6451 I mean 357 sig kind of fits that role for 10mm, but no one buys 357 sig.

I really want a csx

Just about everyone makes a "micro-nine" now. A very small pistol chambered in 9 mm and capable of 12-15 rounds carry capacity. Sig 365 series, Springfield Hellcat, S&W Shield+, Ruger LCP Max, Glock 43, and it's variants. 30 Super carry would be great, but it needs to be more commonly available in compact handguns, as well as the ammo being more available and cheaper. It's nearly twice the price of 9mm right now.

If 30SC wasn't so expensive, I think you'd see wider adoption. The pricing reminds me of emerging tech - always more expensive in the beginning; cheaper later on. Is it an intruiging option, I'll give it that.

@@jerrynkathy It's about the same price as .380. If you don't lose your brass you can reload it for about the same cost as 9mm too.

For anyone who don't want to watch, his testing pointed out Super Carry is a pointless round.

@@TheHandHistoryVault Well, he left it more up to the viewer because when it comes to personal defense you use what you want as long as it is effective and works for you.

Yeah and he got it right

Paul certainly has superior content.

gotta love the meat target

I’d buy a .30 SC P365XL.

@@ponraul1221 check this out. 30sc 365xl upper on 365 frame. 21st century chief special

So that you only use 3 rounds for self defense 😂

@@Redeemedpooper wtf are you even alluding to?

@@ozthegreater9320 Not sure of the actual study. Would like a source as well. A Lot of people quote 3 rounds as the AVERAGE number fired in a self-defense situation. Just quoting each other as internet lore? Another source lists 6 rounds at 7-10 yards as FBI data. I didn't independently verify that. Videos out there available of police officers getting hits and needing MUCH more for the stop. I posted one such above if you are interested

Interesting ride down memory lane. Given the lack of manufacturers not named S&W, I may be interested in this caliber if and when more manufacturers compete in this caliber and also when there are more ammo manufacturers getting into the game. It seems that Federal is dropping the price on the 30 Super Carry as an enticement, and have also seen the Shield 30 Super Carry being offered online in the $250 range. Despite how attractive that may seem, I have a number of 9's and 380's along with plenty of ammo and just don't want to start up all over with a new gun in new caliber which might not make it long term. If I don't feel a 380 is adequate, then I'll just carry one of my 9's and call it a day.

@@wilycoyote9091 I feel the same way. …I’m still waiting for my beloved .38Super to both come down in price and for ammo makers to crank more of it out. But we all know that will NEVER happen. I feel the .30SC is traveling down that same route of “forget about it.”

@@colt10mmsecurity68 Federal is also playing games here in order to try and position their new 30 Super Carry as being the better choice for being an in between round regarding a 380 and 9mm by purposely reducing the power of their 99gr 380 HST round. The 99gr HST had always been rated at 1030 fps and 233 ft. lbs. until they came out with the 30 Super Carry, and then they reduced its velocity down to 935 fps which translates to 192 ft. lbs. of energy -- a substantial drop in performance just so they can position their 30 Super Carry in a better light. Another example of bullshit engineering and marketing.

Not just that but bone is a consideration as well

Why?

Want meant for duty use targeted market was civilians and very rarely do we encounter barriers like that

@@jorgesolis9468 got two words for you: bone barrier.

@@MrCococda yes might make the penetration decrease 4 inches maybe 6 putting it at 12 inches remmember that 9mm round in Miami dade a wimpy 115 gr I think at 1200 fps and it was able to go through 6 layers of clothing an arm/no bone,muscle/bone, and lung and with a bullet that probably had terrible weight retention where as the hst has great weight retention not saying that you'll get 16 inches but just saying you could probably expect this round to perform good enough for concealed use definately not duty use though waiting on paul harrel to do a meat target video now

That's the drawback of all the tests where they hand two guns to somebody (one with 9mm, one with 30SC) and the shooter can't tell the difference.

From what I've seen on YT, shooters can't tell the difference between 9mm & 30SC... So it comes down to bonus capacity, personally I'm very interested; I'm just waiting for the right firearm.

Same felt recoil as 9x19. Sharper snap though.

Extra capacity .... The magazine is longer.

@@davidgaines8607 The bullets are smaller in diameter than 9mm, so more can fit in the same sized magazine.

And that decreased penetration is because of the expansion. If the 9mm had only expanded slightly larger than the SC then the penetration would have met or exceeded the SC

I agree. In a self defense situation the 30SC has way too much penetration. 9mm does significantly more damage overall by belling larger in diameter, and is less likely to over-penetrate.

30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

Smaller bullet than a 9mm with way too much penetration. Much less damage overall. 30SC definitely isn’t better than 9mm for self defense.

@@keepmahaney7412 32 acp or 380 acp for carry pistols is the best option.

I wonder how well it would perform in a PWD design with a barrel around 7-10"

30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

More than .380 less than 9mm what’s the point ....

I've been thinking about the 30 super. Seems to basically be just another 9mm but slightly smaller. What I've been thinking is what if you down load the powder charge for the 30 super to make the recoil much less, then it could be basically the new and improved 32 acp without a rim to make feeding much easier and shooting way more pleasant?

@@smokingcrab2290 I agree with that, maybe/hopefully a company will produce that, like s&w did with the creation of the .40!

Except when the new ammo becomes expensive and short supply.

Lol I got your sarcasm. This will end up like the 357 sig in the long run.

Was good test

I've been so close to getting the EZ in 30 SC, but I reeeeaaally wish it had a double stack magazine /_\

@@Bobbylegs37 Shield Plus is your answer. It's better than the EZ in every way.

​@@zanegardner6488 My EDC usually has a 5" barrel, just something that's not hard for me to carry. 3" barrels sacrifice so much velocity I hate it.

@@copper178 My EDC usually has a 5" barrel, just something that's not hard for me to carry. 3" barrels sacrifice so much velocity I hate it.

I don’t know why some people and some manufacturers like to dump on the round , I love it . and if my csx was 30 super carry it would be my favorite carry gun.

30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

If you really think about it though, despite the efficiency, using metal projectiles propelled by detonation of extremely flammable chemicals under pressure is notably archaic.

Everyone seems to think caseless or polymer cases are the next thing. I’d like to see a liquid propellant firearm.

@@erroneous6947 magnets man. Like mini rail guns.

The big advances will be kept out of our hands. Caseless etc. Once big advances are made, that is where we will have to be SUPER vigilant about a disparity of force between the people and the gov.

@@joemo1033 I’d argue that’s RIGHT NOW. They already have a vast superiority of weaponry. It’s gone on and soon it’ll have gone too far.

Hell yeah, I’d love to see it in an MPX

I don't see that much advantage over 9mm in a SMG honestly, maybe slightly less recoil for better control on full auto but it's very slight

Ruger needs to make an LCP in this immediately.

@@braydenkenney3313 I don't know if they can. 30 SC has over twice the chamber pressure of 380. I don't think it would work in a gun that small.

Never quite certain if comments like this are paid comments, or uneducated shooter.

Cant wait

Amen!!

Actually, the 30 super carry is what’s in stock, not 9 mm, that’s why I’m looking at it as an option

I love my OG Shield but 8 round single stack was lacking in capacity. I love the Plus now. To think 30SC could top both is awesome!

So .22LR should be close to king based only on ability to shoot easily and potential capacity. I get what your saying. Just putting it out there to invoke thought.

@@bradsmalt3852 This is of course considering that the round has capable ballistics for your needs.

I'd love to see S&W remove the bullshit trigger safety out of the CSX. It already has a firing pin lock manual safety. No reason the gun shouldn't have a light weight single action trigger with a reset I can ride.

@@12gaFreedom I agree thats why i was hoping for a Wilson combat "optimized" csx in 30 super. I can only imagine the $2500 price im sure it will carry will be worth it lol

Now that sounds interesting.

Why not a 380 in 380 sized guns?

I've amended my thoughts, sig should make a 365 in 30 with 15/16 shots in a flush mag.

He’s not advocating for 30sc over 9mm for penetration, you don’t need a special +p 9mm to beat 30sc. A standard 9mm 115,124,147 xtp, or gold dot will beat 30sc. Results will vary but it will always do more damage in one way or another.

@@MrCococda That's not what he said. Listen to him again. If what you are saying is true about 9mm vs 30SC (I agree), then why didn't he point that out? His 2 main points was: Penetration and Holds more rounds. Side note: His 3rd point was Performance.

@@TheHandHistoryVault I never claimed he said anything so I don’t know what you’re referring to. And to your point “if that’s true, then why didn’t he say it?” Uh… because he’s not the arbitrator of truth. It’s true and he didn’t say it, that’s his mistake. Not my oversight.

And you only shoot it once or twice a year because you can't afford the ammo or you can't find it....right?

@@napalmstickylikeglue That’s what makes my platform all the more sweeter. A simple barrel swap. Yes removing the 357 barrel and inserting a 9 mm barrel keeping the firearm identical and every other fashion including magazine and sights the same and I’m shooting I am practicing with the cheaper ammo. Just as simple to throw in a 40 smith and Wesson barrel. Sometimes you can find some really good bargains on that ammo as well even cheaper than 9 mm. So you can use the same platform for three calibers and practice with whatever is the most cost efficient and then go back to your carry 357 to finish up training. Truly is sweet. Get all the practice you want in and carry the best in the unlikely event. If you like check out all these bullet points I put together.

Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on. Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter. It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 225-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage. It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots. Underwood has a 357 Sig 65g Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear. One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion. I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round. Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round. 9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times. I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down. In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I actually have little to no recoil on one of my setups. It’s compensated. You’ll find that comps actually provide greater compensation with 357 Sig compared to 9mm because of the higher pressures. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one. Naturally shot placement, especially with pistol calibers is key… but under pressure understandably, your shot placement could be lacking. With that in mind the welcomed advantages of 357 Sig could easily make the difference between life and death, shot placement aside. There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. In time I expect 357 Sig to make the comeback that 10mm has made in recent years… For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you?

@@TransformersHoarder and that's where you are wrong. You can't effectively train with your weapon unless you are using the platform and caliber that you will be using for defense or duty purposes. Recoil, round count, noise, are just three things that differ between calibers. Your idea is like a football player running pass routes without any sort of pads or helmet..... And then strapping on the pads and helmet to play in an actual game. The individual will not perform the same because the conditions in which he trained are different.

@@napalmstickylikeglue with respect that is where you are wrong. Training is training. Hell you don’t need ammo even. Training with a laser target setup is exactly training even. The minute difference in sound and recoil is irrelevant. It’s perfectly adequate to train with 9,40 and 357 Sig, especially if all the training is taking place with the same exact platform. I guess we will have to agree on disagreeing.

Those are only two I'll carry is the HST or the extreme defender and I'm thinking about making the permanent switch to the extreme defender because of what I've seen it do you don't have to worry about cavity filling and I've yet to meet a human that wasn't made up of some kind of liquid that the extreme defender can use those flutes to turn that liquid into Jets that cut through tissue

@@9mmthroatpunch211 I just switched to them as well. I like the velocity being able to get through body armor.

@@johnp9402 I didn't know they would go through body armor I haven't seen that yet I know they go about 1400 ft per second now I do have some 9mm civil liberty defense that go about 2,000 ft per second I know those can go through body armor but they don't stay together so that's why a lot of people don't like them but at 2000 feet per second it kind of don't matter because at that speed it's beyond the point of elasticity of flesh so it still causes one hell of a wound but I don't carry those I just carry the HST or the Lehigh extreme defender and like I said I'm probably about to switch to the Lehigh I have plenty of them might as well

@@9mmthroatpunch211 check MAC barrier blindness ammo test video. The plus p plus 90grain penetrate 2A armor. There's another video with plus p 68 grain penetrating level 3. The Liberty doesn't have the penetration I want.

@@johnp9402 was that the extreme penetrator or extreme defender I've seen the extreme penetrator go through body armor

Facts

yeah that capacity would be really good in really compact PDW type guns. Imagine an OG CZ Scorpion in .30 super carry

Why would you want a weaker round? Rather see more 10mm sub guns.

@@FoulPet Hell, I'd even take 357 Sig over 30 Super in an MP5.

@S Aurelius lose a few rounds but better power and reliability.

@@chrisfishback7363 yeah with the X-Macro getting 17+1 and 9mm being offered all the way down to like 50gr loads, there's really no reason to try to make a more expensive option.

@@mikeb.2925 I carry 12+1 and an extra mag of 12 with my P365XL. 25rds in a compact, easy to carry package. I see no reason to carry 30SC.