".30 Stronk" is exactly the kind of firearms commentary I've come to love this channel for, thank you so much Ian! For some reason I couldn't pull "commentary" from my morning brain
How the .30 super carry came to fruition. “Guys we have all this tooling for to make .32 caliber casings and projectiles, because the .327 federal magnum was a flop. Let’s do the same thing, but for an auto loader.” I can practically guarantee that’s how this got started. I can’t say I blame them for trying with the tooling having excess capacity.
Tooling, yes, excess capacity? We're still in the midst of an ammo shortage with scores of factory loads for millions of gun out-of-production for two years because they can't make enough 9, 45, 40, and 380. Out of one side of their mouth they say the 30 Super in no way affected production of other cartridges, but then tell us the reason they haven't made the other cartridges is because of critical component shortages and they are at max capacity. Where is the 30 Super being made, in the clouds? What are they using for primers, unicorn farts?
@@TXGRunner I don’t know for sure, but I’m speculating that they have lines dedicated to certain caliber sizes. IE .40/10mm, 9mm/.380/.38 special/357, .32acp/.327federal mag/.30 super carry. That would be where the capacity is coming from. It’s probably too difficult or costly to change those lines of production from one caliber size to another, but they have available capacity due to limited production of other calibers of the same size. The primers/powders is a different story however.
@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 No, he didn't. He said they were baffled by his comparison, because they were unaware of the 7.65mm French, not that they didn't care.
@@Stevie-J Ian is no threat to their business, that's laughably ignorant. They were probably gleeful that he was there, and gave a thumbs up to their product.
those people are probably just relatively unaware of and not interested in historical guns. you don't have to be trying to copy an old ammo type to nearly reproduce it, you can just start from some other cartridge and make this smaller and that bigger, and you're pretty likely to make something that happens to resemble a different ammo type that once existed. and really if you look at the rounds in the video, the 30 super carry looks exactly the same as the .32 ACP and less like the 7.65 french long.
I love that James let you use his SHOT Show footage and you gave him a shout out for his (honestly) solid review. Your industry feels like a big family
What is old is new. Larger cartridges being re-adopted for the Army, smaller and faster pistol rounds gaining steam, there will always be a Renaissance every quarter century or so it seems.
Let's see if the new cartridge goes anywhere now. The whole idea behind it was increased range AND armor penetration for defeating Russian body armor. Now that we KNOW that Russia doesn't even issue body armor, we don't need that new round as badly.
It’s crazy how things are so cyclical. It’s like our check out this new crazy thing and it was literally done 70 years ago. I mean 6.5 creedmoor look how amazing it is….. 6.5 Swede, 7mm-08, 25-06, 260 Remington ect.
Me, 10 years ago- "It's too bad they didn't come out with an auto-pistol version of .327 Federal Magnum. They could call it .327 Federal Auto Mag/Magnum." I'd like to see what velocities you'd get with .30 Super Carry loaded with 85gr bullets out of a 4.5" or 5" barreled full-sized pistol.
Respectfully, one of the benefits of carrying a second magazine (regardless of capacity of the primary magazine), is that if one experiences a magazine failure, one is able to swap over to a new mag. (I appreciate that magazine failures in most modern guns occurs rarely)
I've always wondered if that's one of the reasons why the Calico never took off as a military or police firearm. Even though this channel has demonstrated that the high-capacity magazines are reliable, you'd still have to carry a second one in case of a malfunction - at which point you're carrying 100 rounds of 9mm, which is OTT if you're a security guard.
Honestly, the number of malfunctions that a backup magazine introduces is about the same as you would deal with in a modern higher capacity, single magazine carry. We'd all like to think we're as smooth as butter under stress, but from the number of highly skilled competition shooters I've seen occasionally fumble a magazine change, it's not something you should take for granted. If you can eliminate a mag change, it is actually probably the better way to go.
@@Followme556 Those guys are also always teaching this clearance drill while wearing tucked shirts and tactical or competition gear. If you're trying that technique while wearing casual clothing from a concealed carry mag pouch, you might not get such great results. Pinky retention of the mag works better if you are not wearing a tactical belt with easy access to the spare mag.
@@Followme556 Those are unrelated arguments though. With a high capacity magazine you _avoid_ making a magazine change more, which is a good thing. A double feed malfunction forces you to strip the mag out anyways, but you can avoid fumbling under your shirt for a new mag by retaining the mag near the pistol. This isn't that complicated.
The sales goons probably can't get much past figuring out which end of the gun to hold. I would bet the ammo designers knew even more about .32 French Longue than Ian.
@@ostiariusalpha The problem is that if you are unaware of previous developments, then they could've easily ended up with a situation where their round actually WOULD chamber in a French longue, and they would've got sued when someone blew their hand off.
17 rounds in a subcompact? With a round that actually has some energy on target? I'm going to have to read up more on .30 Super Carry. This interests me greatly!
@@Bacteriophagebs Aye, but if you're getting half the velocity out of the round whose only real benefit is velocity, you're getting 22lr energy and a gigantic fireball. I'm a fan of all things 5.7 (I own one), but even the regular pistol is already compromising it's performance by ~200fps. Another 2 inches is going to take significantly more than that, and the gun would still necessitate being rather large.
Ian, as always, excellent video. I specifically applaud your under shooter shot at the end with the brass flying through the blue sky, Beautiful. Nicely done. I for one hope to see more shots shot like that from the community at large. Keep up the great work. And thanks for all the great content over the years.
I think the benefit of .30 SC is more in the larger firearms, as you alluded to. While it's nice getting two more rounds in a micro compact, I think diminishing returns start kicking in after 10 rounds. However, fitting 5 extra in a duty sidearm or 10+ extra in a carbine is quite substantial. Imagine 20+ rounds in something like a G17 or P320 with a flush magazine.
@@Valorius Not at all. Think of the most common uses for particular pistol types and where the increased capacity will have the greatest impact. This might be a long response. TLDR, extra rounds only matter if you can actually fire them. The type of situation where I will fire 17 rounds from a concealed pistol, legally, and still survive ( and where only 14 rounds would be insufficient ) is so astronomically unlikely it's not something I worry about. However, people that use full-size pistols and sub guns ( soldiers, LEOs, perhaps competitive shooters ) will see a bigger benefit when their standard loadout is increased by 20% ( ~10 extra rounds for pistol, 50 or more extra rounds for PCCs and sub guns ). In more detail, micro doublestacks, like the P365, are almost exclusively for civilian conceal carry. The vast majority of civilian defensive shootings, especially outside the home, are 3-4 rounds fired. Very few go over six rounds, and most cases involving more than six rounds fired are legally dubious ( the 7th, 8th, 9th rounds were fired after fleeing individuals, etc ). So where do you start hitting diminishing returns where the ammo capacity is largely superfluous? Or worse, do the tradeoffs for that extra ammo capacity in a concealed pistol become burdensome? In the event you'd need to use a CCW in a defensive situation, the normal 6+1 capacity of the G43 would more than likely be more than sufficient. Really, even if you missed a few shots ( and I don't want to go down the marksmanship rabbit hole as I'm a firm believer in the "you can't miss fast enough" philosophy ), seven rounds should still be just enough for almost any situation you'd use a concealed pistol for. Understandably, people usually want "more." The original Shield had 7+1, or 8+1 with extended mags. The trade-off for the extra rounds was miniscule extra length in the grip. Practically, you were getting extra rounds for nothing. Enter the P365. Now you're talking 10+1 rounds in practically the exact same size of pistol, so again, no real trade-off for the increased capacity. These days, yes, you can get 12+1, 13+1, and 15+1, but it's no longer a "free" upgrade. The P365X, G43X, and various extended magazines add not insignificant length to the grip. The longer grip improves shootability and recoil control, but also increases risk of printing when carrying, so pick your poison. Opting for .30 SC in these pistols means extra ammo capacity at the literal cost of significantly more expensive ammo ( the difference in terminal performance is insignificant to me ). As a wise man says, "Is there a difference, and if so, is the difference enough to actually make a difference?" At the core is the question, "What situations/scenarios could I solve and survive with 17 ( or 14 ) rounds, but not with only 14 ( or 11 ) rounds?" Someone might dream up an incredibly unlikely event they get waylaid by 10+ assailants. With so many attackers, would you even survive to get to those extra rounds? You might get three of them before any respond, four if you're really fast, but if any of the remainder have firearms you'll be taking fire almost immediately and your survival rate goes to near zero. If none of them had firearms to begin with ( or only the ones you shot first did ), odds are the other goons will turn and run after seeing you shoot a couple of their buddies. If you're talking multiple invaders in your house, then weapon concealment doesn't matter. When it's on your bedside table, use an extended mag. In short, it's already ( thankfully ) unlikely I'll need to pull my weapon on someone else. In that unlikely event, it's even more unlikely I'll go past seven rounds. Going past 12 rounds is a fraction of a fraction of a percentage, and not one I care to worry about. IMNSHO, diminishing returns start around the 10-round mark ( at least with current technology ). Going above that for an extended grip that lets you shoot better is a perfectly sound choice. Choosing to pay 50% more for ammo so you can prepare for that 0.0001% situation is not a wise compromise in my eyes.
I have been a collector since the 1980's and I am well aware of the 7.65 French Long and thought the same when I heard about .30 super carry. Thanks Ian!
Ian, exciting to see a "Forgotten" round become the new hotness. Any chance on a series on other forgotten firearms ideas/weapons that may actually be a innovative answer to a current need?
6mm is currently making a bit of a comeback with the idea of a universal cartridge. The Italians and others used 6.5 back in ww1 and ww2 for just that purpose. Not Ian, but thought it would be worth sharing.
Personally, I'd like to see new firearms chambered in .30 Carbine. It hits a sweet spot between pistol rounds and rifle rounds. There really aren't any other calibers I know of that fit in that niche. It's an intermediate intermediate round. I would love a PCC form factor carbine in .30 Carbine, with modern magazines. Magazine reliability was really the main drawback of the M1 Carbine, which I am a big fan of.
When this round was announced, I said to a friend, Ian just got his wish. I recalled you saying you wanted a 365 in .32 French on Handgun Radio. The big question, will Glock and Sig chamber this round?
I wish I could convert my CSX to .30sc but I also don’t like the ammo cost for .30… it’s a wonderful idea but until other ammo makers get on board, it’s going to be very pricy
@@calebnation6155 Hornaday is now on board. I wouldn't expect a miraculous drop in cost anytime soon, but .30SC is definitely showing some staying power.
Ian I'm so glad you picked up on the correlation between the two cartridges, I recently had my hands on a well worn French semi automatic in the French cartridge. I have always wanted one but it was not in good shape and restoring it would cost more than it was worth. I have seen the Night Hawk 1911 custom they make in 30 super carry. They are nice guns but not at$4000.00 a piece.
There are many .40 to 9mm conversion barrels (Storm Lake, Lone Wolf, etc). A 9mm to .30SC conversion barrel and matching .30SC mag would give new life to the millions of single stacks (e.g. Gen 1 & 2 Shields) for under $200 (based on cost of current conversion barrels with mag).
@@509Gman .40 to 9 (.356) is .044……9 (.356) to 30SC (.317) is .039. There may be issues with this idea but the potential market (literally millions of Gen 1 & 2 Shields alone) is worth manufacturers looking into it.
Thanks for covering this new cartridge Ian. In addition to all the reasons you listed, the ability to have an extremely thin pistol (something like a Kahr) for concealment and a good level of power is very useful for people who need to be extremely well concealed.
My girlfriend will be 21 soon and this looks like a great cartridge for her. She likes my p365xl but she’ll probably get the regular 365 or maybe a S&W shield. We’ll be borrowing a few more different ones from friends and hitting the range soon so she can find what she likes best but this cartridge seems great for someone with less size to carry.
Honestly you should check out the P365 in .380. Same magazine size with a lot less snap, and it can use the 9mm mags at the range for plinking. Also if you want to scale up to nine, just buy a 9mm upper and 9mm magazines and your golden.
@@billdauterive1180 yeah I’ve thought of that but after she shot my nine she showed no problem with it. I’ll definitely borrow our friends 380 for her to try next time we go though. She’s just a skinny little thing so concealing anything is more of a challenge then her being confident with shooting it. Thanks man!
Good for you. That is the best way to do it. Try out many different types so she can get a feel for what is comfortable for her and not you. To many people came into the store I worked at and wanted brand x gun because some friend told them they would like it. They usually left with something else because we had them go through the motions with a bunch of different types.
I would also like to see a P365x/xl in .30SC. If they can already fit 12 rounds of 9mm, they should be able to get maybe 15 rounds of .30 in a flush fit mag.
@@GhostFoxvonBohmen Man an XL in that caliber could have some SERIOUS potential, and since the OAL of the cartridge is similar to 9mm you could use mag guts +2 springs and get even more capacity.
1. I agree. I can't tell the difference in recoil between 30 SC and 9 mm. 2. Ammunition/magazine load out: A. I've NEVER heard anyone complain of having Ammunition left over after a gun fight. B. The most likely failure point of an autoloader is the magazine, thus number of rounds is not the only factor.
Kinda amazing how this is the first time i've heard about .30 Super Carry having an advantage with magazine capacity. I EDC a subcompact 380 auto with a spare mag. If i can get 12 rounds in one pistol near the same size i would use a .30 Super Carry pistol.
I feel pretty good knowing I came to the exact same conclusion myself regarding the cartridge naming. I happen to be a fan of .32 ACP and have 5 pistols in that chambering, but recognize it is a very often maligned cartridge. Too many people think of old top break or pocket revolvers is 32 S&W or other similar blackpowder loadings.
When it comes to adding a stock to a pistol and turning it into effectively a pocketable SMG, I think 5.7x28 is more compelling. Velocity, penetration, and even *greater* capacity, with lower recoil.
@@Centermass762 It means you are ice-picking someone to death vs. large holes that drop blood pressure. People can get stabbed a horrifying number of times before going down. Someone tanking more than five 9mm/.45acp is largely unheard of outside of people on drugs. I haven't seen much data for 5.7x28, but I would like to see if a semi-automatic chambered in that cartridge actually stopped someone, or if the person getting shot simply surrendered at some point in the engagement.
@@RavemastaJ you seem to be completely unfamiliar with the term "hydrostatic shock." You also seem to be completely unfamiliar with the Fort Hood shooting. 😉
Thanks for a great presentation. For me, I’d like to see the smallest most concealable version even if it is a single stack. I.E., I carry a Seecamp .32 which surely falls into the category of “underpowered” by tacticool standards. This is a tiny pistol, and only has a 2” barrel, and requires modification for more than a 1 finger grip. I carry this because I carry always- including at work with a hands-on job in construction. I disagree with the underpowered definition of .32 for the same reason the FBI switched back to 9mm. I tested my Seecamp with Underwood Lehigh extreme cavitor, and extreme penetrator in +P and std. In both cases, the ammunition exceeded factory claims producing 1050 fps std, and 1150 fps +p- with a 55 gr projectile. For self defense, this is acceptable when aimed at the proper targets. A 30SC single stack small enough to be a pocket cannon would be right up my alley. Hopefully Lehigh will produce some 30SC specific bullets- like their maximum expansion design. The sub-compact self defense segment is certainly getting interesting!!!
I agree. 30 super carry is the perfect round for micro compact pistols. With full size guns, you already have an exceptional ammo capacity, but the ability to increase ammo capacity in micro compacts is always good
There is one really cool PDW chambered in an anemic cartridge currently that would greatly benefit from this for the civilian market, without sacrificing mag capacity. It would be a game-changer for catching on, but the maker of that PDW would frown on it.
Good lord it is only a matter of time before this 32 craze comes full circle with the Coonan in .327 Federal Magnum and the S&W N frame 630 in .30 Super Carry with full moon clips.
I would love to see where this cartridge goes in a law enforcement context i think law enforcement will be slow to move on this cartridge but I think the appeal of having potentially the same amount of ammunition in their backup gun as their duty will bring some into carrying this cartridge as a backup but I’d love to see a duty size 30 super carry I mean we are talking about 20-21 rounds flush fit into a glock 17 size platform like the fn 5.7 except this looks like it would have better ballistics when it comes to unarmored opponents then the 5.7
Penetration depends entirely on bullet design and construction. 30 Super penetration can be mitigated by using hollowpoints and frangible bullet materials.
30 super carry is a substantially less powerful round than 7.62x25. The numbers floating around the internet are around 350 ft/lbs for 30 and the 7.62 has loads over 600 ft/lbs
Out of all the jello tests I've seen floating around the web, only FMJ or cheap JHP will penetrate more than what's typical for defensive loads in 7.62x25mm. Seems to come down to bullet construction, as with many other calibers.
Since it is a high pressure cartridge, it will be interesting to see how much advantage it gains from longer barrels like PCCs. The .357 and .44 magnums pick up a lot of extra velocity from a carbine, more so than the 9mm tends to.
In the early days of practical pistol shooting competition a caliber qualified if it delivered enough power that landed on the target at competition ranges. At first even the .38 supers were not considered until they measured the power at the target. Even a .22 Jet (.357>.22) that Smith and Wesson made and made a revolver series - made the grade in some of the Bianchi bowling pin shoots. It worked just fine. Although possibly the loudest gun I have shot in quite a while!
I believe the 32 H&R mag was killed by the fact that that most guns were short barrel defensive pistols. I reloaded the 32 Smith & Wesson and the 32 h&R mag and they're great for small game hunting. I emailed h&R a long time ago and asked them why they didn't make a handy rifle in this caliber. Could you imagine what that thing would go for today.
There’s a Marlin lever action at a shop near me that was rebarreled for .32SW long/32 H&R, and I’m very tempted to pick it up. I think 32s are really overlooked for small game hunting and pest control.
Well I am impressed I trust Ian to know what he’s talking about here. We always wonder what the next big step is going to be in firearms development. I think we all can agree that there hasn’t been one in a very very long time now not in my life time anyway. So is this the next thing ? Making smaller and smaller width to the cartridge so that more can be carried per magazine ? Can we get to DOUBLING capacity ? Is that even a goal here ? Or are we looking to reduce the size of weapons themselves in an extreme manner ie like the PDW’s but with very short barrels?
hand-held trebuchets with red-dot optics of course edit: too make it a bit less shitposty: the next big step already happened: optics a modern handgun is way easier to accurately shoot since a red-dot can be bolted on with no issues and is a serious improvement over any iron sight, even at the shorter distances pistols operate at, just acquiring a target takes significantly less time than what was possible 60 years ago.
I recently saw some 30 super carry in my local rural king and I had to pop open a box and take a look at it because I'd never heard of it. For some reason the first thing I thought of when I saw it was 30 carbine but it's obviously not the same.
Honestly, I see a lot of potential here in countries where 9x19 is illegal for civilians to own, like in a lot of places is South America and France, and the fact that the only thing they're doing is trying to replace 9mm is baffling to me.
Interesting thought about .30 Super Carry making it into competitions where usually 9x19 is regarded as the minimum... I don't know. There may be a mixture of love for the 9x19 as well as not wanting to compete against a cartridge that SEEMS to be virtually every bit as effective or energy-dense as 9mm yet able to carry 20% more round. So rather than excluding Super Carry from competitions due to thinking it's insufficient or something, it would be more done to keep the rules as they are so that 9x19 shooters (which is, I presume, most shooters) aren't basically left at the disadvantage of having 1/5th less capacity than those using .30 Super Carry. I'll also add that those who can afford it (and if the cartridge becomes successful it will over time become more affordable) could end up flocking to .30 Super Carry for the boost in ammo capacity with minimal-if-any difference in performance on paper or steel. 9mm, .40, and .45 ACP abandoned in droves as .30 Super Carry dominates. At this early stage, OBVIOUSLY these are wild concepts from quite an active 'what-if' imagination, but those ideas seem reasonable and logical to me. At least from the little that I know of competition shooting, which is SERIOUSLY very little beyond what I've seen with Forgotten Weapons, my blabbering of the hypothetical doesn't have anything on the face of it that seems outrageous. Well, maybe competition shooters find it to be a petty thought that the organization would exclude .30 Super Carry due to defensiveness over 9x19 being something of the top-dog when it comes to capacity and impact. Seems reasonable to exclude a 5.7x28 pistol like that Kel-Tec one that uses 50-round FN P90 mags. Firstly, the ammo could potentially damage steel targets, no? If not with plain ball ammo, if it's the armor-piercing stuff then wouldn't that cause damage? And also I imagine it doesn't impart all that much energy to steel targets. A lot of plinking with not a whole lot happening. Anyhow I'm being HIGHLY speculative and may be saying things that make little-to-no sense for people who know more than me so I'll stop now lol Also, VERY cool that 7.65 French can allegedly function in the .30 Super Carry Hi Point Carbine!
If you read some of the accounts of Shanghai, policemen of the early 20th century. They have good results of 32acp stopping threats. This is an interesting thing to come out. I have always thought that 32acp is under appreciated in the US.
No. 18.6mm case length on 8mm Roth, 116gr FMJ at only 1,088fps at 302 ft-lbs at .321-inch diameter. 30 Super Carry has 21mm case length and 1,250 fps for 347 ft-lbs with a 100gr HST hollowpoint. 7.65 Parabellum is closer than either 8mm Roth or 7.65 Longue in energy, but not dimensionally close at all being a bottlenecked cartridge. 93gr FMJ at 1,200fps for 412 ft-lbs with a .309-inch 7.65mm bullet.
@@angry_ike7628 7.65mm Parabellum produces 412 Joule of energy, not ft-lbs. Those are 304 ft-lbs. Not really different than the 8mm Roth-Steyr (that would easily surpass it with a bullet of comparable weight). Overall lenght: .30 Super Carry, 29.7mm, 8mm Roth-Steyr, 29,0mm 7.65X20 Longue, 30.24mm Bullet diameter: .30 Super Carry, 8mm, 8mm Roth-Steyr, 8.16mm 7.65X20 Longue, 7.85mm Base diameter: .30 Super Carry, 8.8mm, 8mm Roth-Steyr, 8.85mm 7.65X20 Longue, 8.53mm Bullet mass: .30 Super Carry, 100gr, 8mm Roth-Steyr, 113-116gr 7.65X20 Longue, 77gr Energy: .30 Super Carry, 470J 8mm Roth-Steyr, 390-410J 7.65X20 Longue, 297J. So I confirm, the .30 Super Carry is more similar to the 8mm Roth-Steyr, both for dimensions and energy than to the 7.65X20 Longue, that shoots a much lighter bullet with much less energy. The 7.65 Parabellum has very similar performances to that of the 8mm Roth-Steyr, especially considered that the 8mm Roth Steyr would develop more energy with a 100gr ball (a la .30 Super Carry) and even more with a 93gr ball (a la 7.65mm Parabellum).
@@eloiseharbeson2483 More than they taught Physics and basic grammar in your evidently. For the second, I said "MORE similar", and there's no doubt than the 8mm Roth-Steyr is MORE similar to the performances of the .30 super Carry than the 7.65X20 Longe. You can check the meaning of "MORE". For the first, muzzle energy is 1/2massXsquare of the speed. .30 super Carry 100gr, 380m/s, 470Joule of energy. 8mm Roth Steyr, 116gr, 332m/s, 409 Joule of energy. It's not that much of a difference, especially considered that the speed of the bullet, for a given pressure tend to increase linearly with the reduction of the mass, while the energy increases with the square of the speed, so, with a 100gr bullet, the 8mm Steyr Roth would develop more energy. Also 45.000 psi is not "three x" of 21.500. So your elementary school was not that good for math as well it seems.
If it’s dimensionally similar to 7.65 besides length you can cut those cases down and use for your French revolver and have something reliable to shoot.
QUESTION FOR RELOADERS!!! Could Ian use .30 Super Carry to trim the brass by 1mm, and size the case mouth to create reliable 7.65 French Longue for his Mas-38?
@@ryanthorne5432 Ahh.. That makes sense. Although, just like everything else regarding reloading components, all of the Starline brass is out of stock everywhere. But, obviously, it wouldn't make sense to use .30 Super Carry due to cost anyways. I just thought that Ian was still having trouble finding cartridges/brass.
As Long as the case wall thickness is the same and it shares the same case holder. It should in theory work. Case wall thickness is what I would eye out. More than likely if there is any difference that isn't visual you can form it by fire forming it in a sense.
The Mauser C96 was chambered in 7,63, Mauser the ancestor of 9mm with a bottle neck case. That cartridge was the most powerful pistol cartridge before the introduction of the .357 Magnum ! Unfortunately, the 7.63 Mauser was not appreciated in America because, at that time, a bullet should be as big as possible, that's why the .45 ACP was so popular. As CZ manager said 50 years ago : 2 small bullets in the target are better than 1 big, powerful one beside the target ! Always the same dilemma: capacity versus power.
I got out of the comments to get to the like button 4 different times. Each time, I found it was already pressed. Damn good video, Ian. What a cool round. I'm already a fan of the .312 family of cartridges. My wife EDC's a .32 H&R mag which also fires .32 S&W long, and .32 S&W. Some also cite the .32 acp, however, Her revolver gives light strikes with the Browning cartridge, so we don't use acp's.
If you want a perfect 30 caliber submachine gun you have just described a 300 blackout PDW with subsonics in it. It's just a remarkably smooth shooting cartridge due to having enough gas to work a locking bolt.
Ian WE think alike! I always admired the .32 French Longue! When this round came out I thought the same things You did. I strongly disagree that the .30 super carry is useless!
What's old is new again, just like electric cars :) I've been intrigued by this new round, since they started advertising it in Concealed Carry magazine. Seems like a cool idea, and I hope more manufacturers will start chambering their guns for it!
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