Ballistically your totally correct on the .270. For me it’s cost per foot pound of energy. Abd in that race the .308 wins. I’m low income and a beginner in an ammo shortage. So I stick to the most popular calibers for financial reasons. Line to me the .300 win mag is probably the best foot pounds for dollars among magnum cartridges (I would define magnum rifle cartridges as exceeding 3,500 foot pounds). I think the only area the .308 wins is in economics which is a big factor.
I just believe that the .270 is a bit more versatile especially for reloaders...I just never understand why they don't compare apples to apples maybe he will.not there yet,compare a 130grn against a 130grn or 150grn etc.😮😊
The 270WIN absolutely shines with the Nosler 150gr Accubond LR. I am getting 2900fps at the muzzle in a 22” barrel. At 3500ft DA This load can deliver 2222fps/1645ftlb payload at 500m (550yd). The trajectory is flat so you get a long MPBR… and the sectional density is 0.279 which is higher than the SD of a 180gr 0.308” bullet. So penetration is absolutely respectable if you use bullets that retain weight. IMO with this bullet the 270WIN is Moose/Elk capable within most hunters personal ethical range limit. The old girl is still a very fine cartridge and posts impressive performance when topped off with these modern high BC bonded bullets… Modern performance whilst still retaining that old school nostalgia. ❤️❤️❤️ Cheers!
I have both the .308 and the .270. Had the .308 for over 30 years, and got my .270 about 5 years ago. I haven’t hunted with my .308 since I got the .270, so that should pretty much explain my preference of the two. (I bought my .270 for a moose hunt when I got drawn for the first time in my life here in eastern Canada, and it did the job well.) 🙂
Thats good to hear. I have been rackig my brain with researching calibers for a good "do it all" and i was between .270 , 7mm08 , .308 , 30-06 or 7mm rem lol i hate when they give us so many decisions lol
My first centerfire was a BSA 270 Winchester, just because that was what a friend sold me. I hunted with that rifle for a long time and still have it, and it never let me down. I will always have a soft spot for 270. Thanks for another great video 📹
Got my 308 at 10yrs old so 42yrs later it still holds a special place. Got a 270 in my early 20's load both, love both. 270 gets more use but now its 300wm and 45/70 for fun. Not that many things here in Australia need any of them
I’ve had 243s to 300 win mags. My 270 700 Remington is low recoil and lazar flat to 300 yards and still pretty cheap to buy . Dear rarely take a step from any angle. Each is own 👍🏻🇺🇸
For tree stand deer hunting, one is as good as the other. For longer ranges, though, yes the 270 smokes the 308 handily. And adding even more to this is the fact that velocities for the 270 can be improved more than the 308 through hand loading. You can really only add about 100 fps to the 308 over factory loads but you can get 200 fps, sometimes more, added velocity to the 270.
Great video I’m in northern Alberta had 270’s sold bought 7mm mags then wife and kids started hunting bought them 308’s I now have 2 308’s weall use 150 gr ttsx elk moose muley whitetails bear wolf they perform great up to 400 yards and thats as for as we shoot sneak in closer we bow hunt early season all fun great meat family bonding get your kids out hunting
Hey Adam! Hello from north of the 49th! I love the way you present your videos! They are so easy to understand rather than some of the guys that try too hard to be technical when they're not. Always a pleasure to see your videos! Keep it up!!! From the frozen chosen in Canada!
1 thing I truly enjoy about your comparison video's is your honest. The specs, then your honest opinion and if for what ever someone doesn't agree with your opinion you've given enough info that someone can go looking for themselves. Keep up the good work
I live and hunt on the central plains. Of course a 270 is a preferred round out here. Our state tree is a utility pole. The land is so flat you can see tomorrow coming. However, in the competition circles, 270s are scarce. 308s are fairly common, and have been for decades. The ranges I hunt at are well within the range of a 308. I own only 1 308, an M1A. I own no 270s. One 30-06, though, and a raft of 243s and smaller calibers. Fair to say, exchange any one of my rifles for a 270 and I'll still have everything covered. How about next comparing the 7mm Rem. Mag with the 270 Winchester. Both are very common and very versatile. Thanks for the video. Always enjoyable.
@@edwardabrams4972 same can be said with the 270 its not the same it preforms better even at range on target and game . But the main point here is that especially for the person who does not reload the best over the counter gun/Ammo in this pairing will remain the 270 .But if a guy likes a 308 thats ok it will get the job done as well .Its just a performance argument really .
We could argue caliber and cartridge six ways until Sunday (or whatever the expression should be) . I would argue 7mm-08 130 gr Speer HC is a closer competitor to, perhaps the true new (since 1980) 270 short action cartridge in that 130 gr bullet weight/SD class. Truth is, can the cartridge combination get the job you want done for you in your environment? That's all that matters. Can 308W get it done cheaper? Most likely. Does it matter? To whom?
Down to personal preference...I'm a 270 guy though and have never had a reason to change. Been shooting from springbuck to eland with it for many years. Also doing pretty good with it in NRL matches over here
Yo who tee who, good vid man! The .308 wins, trust me and ask any deer guide/ outfitter. I believe the 7mm-08 is the best deer cartridge even for elk. Shot placement is key.
Short action means a lighter rifle most of the time and for an alpine hunter like me that's what counts. Here in NZ we don't hide in trees waiting for a deer and neither do we feed out.
Great video and great info. Great BC on the CL Tip on the 270, it scored me an 8pt. For me the 270 is my go to. I appreciate the info… Great stuff Adam! Thanks!
I have shot a plain vanilla 6.5x55 since I built it in the 1990’s. It has killed many things. It is also loaded to modern capabilities, so behaves more like a 270 if somewhat flatter as range gets longer. BC is king. The new generation of cartridges are designed to attract buyers with often intangible benefits. If you miss or gut-shoot it really doesn’t matter what the numbers say. Get a good rifle, feed it decent ammo, and get good with it over varying distances. And if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Last one was at 700metres. Instant lights-out! But I have measured actual performance and drops and dial it in. This was also from a stable rest. I also knew the actual distances to features in the valley by measurement.
Both rounds have taken every game animal in the world; because as you said it’s about shot placement (and I’ll add bullet construction). In the civilian sector i used a .270 as a sniper for my State (though never that small of round as a Marine). Good video
It's interesting you mention recoil. I'm not a big guy by any stretch of the imagination at 5'7 and 138 lbs, but I regularly shoot my 300 Win Mag with no issues whatsoever. It comes down to the right set up, practice and becoming used to the rifle calibre in question. I can happily put 30-40 shots downrange with the 300 on a given day. I'll be a little sore in the shoulder the next day, but it's really nothing significant. And the recoil there makes the 270 and 308 look pretty tame.
I have a 270 model 700 and I love it. I put a Timany adjustable trigger in it set at 2.5 lbs,I’m the only person that shots it. This rifle it extremely accurate.
I love 308. Finally got one again after a few years of not having one. A couple units here only allow copper, so i just prefer to only bother with copper hunting loads. Regardless, I love your tests and data - always makes me happy.
Love the part where it only takes an overbore cartridge with magnum pressures, more than half an inch more case length and loads more powder to achieve all that. Truly a miracle of engineering :)
I think wind drift is a much better comparison than bullet drop... Gravity is a constant and bullet drop can always be calculated... Wind is not and much harder to read and figure out
Hi. I have both, love both but 270 win. lives in my heart since I started to hunt big game, it was my first caliber! Since that I've bought 308'and 06 also with excellent results. I have noticed and comparing to the others, the 270w is more "violent" to my ears, has more "sharp" noise out of the muzzle, normally I don't use ear protection during hunting. Great video,great comparison,and thank you for showing us. Greetings.
I think the .270 has a nicer recoil impulse than the short action .308. I really think the long action stuff, like 30-06 and .270 should come out with 24inch barrel. You already lose about an inch of barrel against the .308, just because the cartridge sticks so far into the barrel from the chamber, and then (specially if you shoot in low light) you can see half the propellant is burning a meter long flame outside the barrel.
I was all ready to go off in the comments, but you got it right. It's not even close as far as I'm concerned. The .270 is way better than the .308. The .270 has been my favorite cartridge, but the new 7mm PRC looks even better.
Depends if you want to have more energy basically from zero to 390 yards the 180 grain 308 wins hands down with more energy and bigger bore wound channel. The 270 is a great round but the 308 has a lot of diversity and availability in ammo too.
@@C.D.-tz6sk I can use Hornady .270 145gr ELD-X and I'm within 3" of zero all the way out to 300 yards, and is over 1,500 fpe at 700 yards. Compare this to a Federal .308 at 180 gr. I'm within 3" of zero only out 250 yards, and it drops below 1500 fpe at 300 yards. It is not even a close comparison. The .270 Win goes beyond my abilities to shoot it. The .308 does not.
Actually if you shoot game at those distances the 308 180grain has over 1500 fpe out to 400 yards not 300. I cant seem to find any 270 ballistics on google for fpe for the round you mentioned. If it has that energy of 1500fpe at 700 yards you mentioned that is very impressive to say the least and what kind of energy does it have at 100 -300/400 yards? I would venture to say it would vaporize a lot of meat. Also I would bet 99% of hunters would not shoot game past 300 or maybe 400 yards. So maybe for you the 270 is superior for you, but not for many or most.. It definately is for being a flat shooting cartridge which isn't what I was talking about. But for punching bigger wound channels with 1500+ fpe out to 400 yards without destroying a lot of meatI believe the 308 in the readily available 180 grain wins in that category. It does depend on each person and what and where they hunt really. @@daithi1966
@@C.D.-tz6sk My dude is correct. 270 has a better BC and greater case capacity. It delivers a little more energy in most comparable loads. In those loads that produce about the same energy, the 270 can do it flatter and further. I'd def agree with the fact that 308 is much more affordable and available, has a larger variety of factory loads to choose from too.
It is an awesome flat shooting cartridge and I may have to get one, but my point I was making is also correct. My point was not about the trajectory but that the 180grain load for the 308 has more energy from muzzle to about 400 yards. Couple that with the larger wound channel from the bigger diameter bullet. The 180grain 308 round is not hard to come by@@thereindeertherabbitthebat592
Given those two choices, .308 will get the job done, but I'll take .270 all day for the extra range it has. Also, .277 caliber bullets have a higher sectional density per grain size compared to .30 caliber. The higher the sectional density, the better the penetration. For instance, a 150 grain bullet in .270 has an SD of .279, yet you'd have to step up to a 180 grain in .308 to still come up slightly short with an SD of .271. Additionally, .270 has higher velocity at all distances (which can be loaded down as well). However, another thing that sometimes gets overlooked is downrange velocity for proper bullet expansion and terminal performance. With 2,000 fps being the lowest velocity threshold for many bullets. However, with many loads, .308 can oftentimes fall below 2,000 fps by 300-400 yds, whereas .270 maintains 2,000 fps to 400-500 yds and beyond. But yet another benefit is that .270 tends to have better wind drift numbers than .308. Bullet drop is a gravitational constant that can easily be adjusted for, whereas wind drift is affected by several variables, making it trickier to compensate for with longer shots in particular. I'll take better wind drift numbers over a flatter trajectory any day. However, .270 has the benefit of being both a much flatter shooting cartridge AND with less wind drift than .308. With all that said, if all you do is hunt within 300 yds, let alone within 150 yds, pick either one, because they'll both perform pretty much identically for the most part. However, given the choice of .270 or .308, I much prefer .270 for the added downrange performance, less wind drift, and higher sectional density (generally) that it offers. It's just a more capable round in that sense. Particularly for hunters who only shoot factory ammo.
Flip a coin. With 150gr bullets, the .270 will have 12% more recoil and apx 2.5" less drop at 300yrds. If you wish to hunt with a bullet heavier than 150gr's, choose the .308 win as most manufacturers dont offer this in a .270 Win. To be clear, most rifles chambered in .270 win over the last 100 years have a 1:10 barrel twist which will not stabilize the use of long heavier bullets with high ballistic coefficients and improved sectional densities. I've hunted with a .270win for years before switching to a .308win and found both to be well suited for my needs. For hunting deer, I prefer the .308 win not because of a performance benefit, but rather the rifles which its chambered in. To be clear, when hunting from a tree climber or a box stand, I prefer a rifle which is a bit more compact and easier to move around with in a compact location. Lastly, I must admit I've grown very fond of the 6.5 Creedmoor as it has less recoil than a .270 or .308, shoots very flat in comparison to the trajectories of the mentioned cartridges and I cannot tell a difference in its performance on deer sized game. At a height of over 6ft and a weight of 200+, I'm not a small man, but having a cartridge with such a light recoil makes extended shooting practices a pleasure which in turn builds confidence for making extended shots.
Some of the color coding on your energy chart is still outta wack. But that being said, your overall assessment is still on point. I love my compact short barrel 308 for hunting spots with shots 200 yards or less. I take the ole true70 in spots where I could have a shot over 200. Love them both.
Great comparison, and bigger seems to be better 😉 However your energy colors and some numbers are wrong, check the .308 Hornady line for 500 yds at 10:02, and the .308 180 color at 500. Also, in terms of probability to hit the target, once you factor for muzzle velocity and target distance, the wind deflection is the most important, so the higher the BC the better.
Good work Adam. Look at the 180 308 energy chart might be the wrong color 270 has always been a better cartrige for me. Good handloads and a 26" barrel 140s at 3000fps is a great flat shooting option. I've had light 308s that were awefull to shoot felt like your teeth were getting knocked out. As a military cartrige the 308 works well but for hunting I'd rather a 7mm08 or 270
Love the federal 136 trophy bonded grain and i love hornadys different grain weights speeds and g1 ballistics coefficients thats the two things im after if my gun can also group them well. Would love to see u test some of these other ones i mentioned in ur other calibers please i get it it they cost money but its more information content that some u tubers arent putting out thanks have a good day
Would love to see 300WM , 30-06 , .308 , 270 , 25-06 , vs whatever Creedmoor or PRC you can get , and if you want throw whichever RUM you have into the mix . It could just be a compilation from old videos , if you want . Thanks !
My first buck was shot with a 270 Superformance Hornady round in which the box said it had 3200 FPS muzzle velocity. At 126 yards it hit a bit high and became a lung shot. I found the deer a few feet from the shot position and part of its lung was hanging out of the entry wound. It did the job with no problem.
Probably the 2 best options for deer in my opinion. My kids have flat lined pretty good bucks at distance with an ole wore out 742 308 that was my grampa’s. But I have a soft spot for the 100 yr old 270! I own several other calibers that dominate the 270 in all of those scientific graphs but year in year out ole girl does her thing!!! With that being said thank you for comparing the two! Love watching your videos!!!
270 was my first high power rifle, still love it although I've since gotten into 45-70 and 300 Win Mag. 270 will always have a place in my heart. My Ruger M77 with 150gr power shock is a laser!
308 is equivalent of a 6.5 Creedmoor they say. I'll stick to my 300 Win mag and leave the guessing to the peanut gallery ! Another great video Who Tee. Round here in Kentucky most folks use a 270 or a 30-30.
I’ve got both. They both crumble deer for sure but the .270 drops them in there tracks even better than a 300 Win mag I had believe that or not. .270 is so hard to beat .
Me n my son argue these 2 calibers alway, he’s a 270 guy n I like my 308 cause it does what I need it to do n it does have less recoil n I’m hunting in the hills along the Ohio river in PA N IF YOU GET 100 yrd shot it’s not often !! Both got calibers , I always tell him if you make a bad shot with a 308 it’ll make a bigger hole which = more blood trail !!
years ago the 270 factory loads were way higher in fps, just look up data from 1960. now everyone wants a light short action, 20 inch barrel, cause we don"t hunt any more, we are snipers, twisting diles and taking that 600 yard plus pot shot.. many of the 270 win had 24 inch barrels, or longer and stoked 4350 powder and partition bullet could cleanly take and elk out to 400 yards and the 308 was used in m-14 rifles, but was mainly a machine gun round in the m-60 mg. , which it did well belt fed. the 3006 out shined the 308, and 300 win mag was military choice as snipper calbure., I will take the 270 win any day, but the 308 is a great deer catcher in a light deer stand rifle in eastern USA.
Liked what you said. 👍 I think the same thing happened with .45-70 ammo awhile back. I'm told that some people.insisted on using new factory loads in old trapdoor models which hurt us all, (except with that wonderful Buffalo Bore ammo)! JMO
Pour un chasseur, il est aussi important que le coup gaspille le moins de venaison possible. Alors les projectiles rapides, lorsqu'ils frappent précisément, font tomber plus rapidement le gibier mais ils gaspillent plus de venaison. Alors une 308W avec un projectile lourd, donc plus lent, aura une meilleure pénétration tout en gaspillant moins de venaison. On parles alors par exemple 0.308 RUAG 196gr SWISS P AP, ou tout autre projectile lourd en 180gr ou 200gr 308W. C'est mon point, mais je suis peut-être trop vieux comme on dit.
As others have said. I've got both and there is nothing wrong with either one, but if I had to choose just one it would probably be the .270. with that said, my .270 came later in life and most all of the deer I've taken have been with the .308 in my old Model 88 Winchester. None ever went very far at all, and I've never had to fire a second shot to kill one.
I live in Central Idaho. If u own both these u have most things covered. I would add a 300 for those special special hunts where u can expect distance. We all love to overthink it. I also don't hate on any cartridges.
Where I have always hunted, I've never even SEEN a place where a 200 yard shot was even a possibility, much less 500 yards! Personally, I've never even needed 100 yards. Most shots are under 50 yards and pretty common. But North Louisiana is different than the big Western states with plains and mountains.
At reasonable hunting ranges which I feel is 400 yards or less, there is very precious little difference in the two Chamberings on deer sized game and smaller using equal weight bullets. Where I think the .308 starts to differentiate itself a decent bit is in the huge range of rifles and ammunition availability and cost per a shot. You cant go wrong with either one for hunting.
The 308 is chambered in many different actions, M1A, M14, FN17S, HK G3, AR-10 many bolt guns, and lever guns including single shot, Ammo is less expensive so practice is cheaper especially with military surplus ammo, these rifles can serve as defense, and hunting, 270 win is pretty much limited to hunting Bolt action and limited bullet weights.
Well, being that most of the shots I take are under 200 yards, either one would work great for mid range game. What would tip the scale would be that .308 can be used in the ar-10 platform. Great video, thanks!
60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles having owned hundreds of guns over the years and hunting and reloading with them has showed me the 308 with the new bullets and powders can do everything the 270 can and easier to find reloading supplies for and choices of ammo! But either cartridge is a winner in my books!
First time I'm gonna have to slightly disagree with you brother, but hey as long as we do it respectfully that's all that matters. Having used both calibers doing depredation work on whitetails, inside of 300 yards I'll take a 308 all day long over a 270. As general rule the larger diameter heavier calibers just leave a little bit better blood trails. The larger frontal mass cuts a slightly bigger bleed hole and usually does a better job anchoring them if you make a not so perfect hit. If I need to stretch out past the 300 yard mark, I'd definitely choose the 270 over the 308 simply because of its flatter trajectory and it's energy toting performance downrange (my personal choice would be to bump on up to a hot loaded 30-06 or a 300 Win Mag, but I just prefer the larger frontal mass of the 30 calibers). Now....as far the 270 stomping the 6.5 creedmoors fanny under normal hunting ranges (and actually on out to 600+ yards) you are exactly correct. The 6.5 creedmoor will never be a 270 inside normal hunting ranges, it just offers a shorter action and somewhat less recoil👍
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