At 1000 yards I prefer my pickup so I can close the distance to a more reasonable range. I think the pickup might even carry more energy at any distance.
I have both. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. But for overall terminal performance my nod goes to the 338. The 300 is better suited for long range work but a 220-230 grain high BC bullet in the 338 will do wonders out to 500. I’d happily carry either.
Shot deer with 338 all run at least 40 yards didn't like how it killed at all modle 77 ruger with a muzzle brake did not kick at all 325wsm was sudden death on every thing shot bad to the bone
Right before moving to the Yukon, I purchased a .338 in Winchester's Winlite mod. 70. At 6.25 lbs, it is a handfull....but managable. I didn't need that much power for game I was primarily after. Dall, Stone and Fannin (nearly white Stone) rams as well as Caribou were on my wish list. However I usually hunt solo and a sleeping bag inside a tent was as good as it got. With many nights spent sleeping rough, my .338 mag gives me comfort. I used that rifle almost exclusively for the next 25 yrs and have taken game from whitetail to moose, throw in a few coyotes just for giggles. To say that a .338 win is one of my favorite cartridges would be an understatement as you would have to pry mine from my cold dead hands. Full disclosure, I was originally wanting a light weight .300 win but stumbled across a barely used .338, less than six rounds, that checked off every other requirement I had. No regrets!
I own multiple rifles in both. For larger game, including brown bear, the 338 has ample power to take such large game, but can also take smaller game just as easily as the 300WM. Nice to have the extra horsepower and not NEED it!
I've had both the .300 win mag and I've still got a .338 win mag. I've taken Black bear, Deer and Moose with both. I prefer the .338 over the .300 but that's just me.
I am colorblind to the brown red green. I have been told a lot of guys are. That’s why when I turned 18 my first gun was a 338. I never tracked a deer. Now I have 4 338 guns and a few 300’s. Love both of them. Can’t have to many guns.
@@BornAgain2019 The 338-06 is also in the same class, but shoots a little faster than the Whelen and the bullets have a higher BC and a higher SD. I plan on having a 338-06 built on an FN Mauser action I have, but a 35 Whelen is awfully tempting also.
Down in the southern part of Australia, (Victoria) the 338WM has a strong following with Sambar hunter's. Sambar can be well above 200kgs and can take a bullet very well. Personally, i use a 210 grain Barnes TTSX driven hard at above 2900fps.
I have both, reload for both, and have hunted with both. I was introduced to them while I was in the Army. They are both accurate, carry a lot of energy down range, and can reach out and touch. I prefer the .338 for elk, moose, or dangerous bears. I like the .300 for long range.
I own a couple .338’s and a couple .300’s. My preference is the .338. I may be a bit biased as a .338 Win in a Sako was my first rifle at 15 yrs old. (Drew a grizzly permit that year, so was the determining factor). Generally prefer a 225- 250 grain bullet, but my current elk rifle really likes 210 Barnes TTSX at 3010 FPS and is devastating on elk. In a .30 caliber, I prefer cartridges in the .30-06 class. If I’m stepping up in recoil, I’m also jumping up bullet diameter. Having said that, the .300 PRC would be a contender and might be the exception to my .30 cal preference
No contest. At normal hunting ranges, the 338 clobbers big animals harder than any 30. It's the bigger 338 frontal area, which makes the difference. Charts and data are fun, but my real-world hunting experience, the 338 rules. It numbs bigger critters! I love the 300 Win, but were I hunting in big bear country, I'd carry a 338. That tells all.
Both great cartridges. I have shot a 26" A-bolt Browning for years along with my 340WBY, which is a 338WM + 200fps. As far as comparable, yes they are both very good. The 340 seems to do less meat damage on deer as the 300 does. I shoot both with Barnes X bullets, 180 and 225gr respectively, even out to 300 yds. I have taken one bull elk at 700 yds with the 340, went clean through it. So as far as power, I guess that one wins.
I shoot a .338 WM, and my ammo is 250 gr. Nosler Part. over IMR 4831. I have taken Elk, Moose, Grizzly, Black Bear, Whitetail and Mulies with my 338 at ranges between 10 yds.(Elk) and 410 yds.(Moose). The reason I shoot 250 gr. bullets instead of 225 gr. bullets is the extra fpe the 250 has from muzzle to 100 yds. The one Grizzly I shot charged from 30 yds., and my first shot stopped her forward momentum, she was only 12 yds. away and never got closer, but took two more rounds.
One of the best factory loadings is missing from the 338 Win Mag list. Nosler 225 Trophy Grade AccuBond. This one has a BC of .550 and box velocity is 2750 out of a 24“. At 500 yards that’s 2000 ft/s and 2000 ft-lb
I use 225 grain Sierra Game King bullets from my .35 Whelen. I load 56.5 grains of powder to reach an average muzzle velocity of 2816 fps. To reach the same velocity with my .338 requires 69 grains of powder. The bc of the smaller caliber bullet is higher but at any ethical range the bc doesn't matter, not to me anyway.
@@russellkeeling4387 the 35 Whelen is a great cartridge, very similar to one of my other favorites the 9.3x62. Doesn’t get much better 300 yards and in
When I lived in Alaska in the 80s, the 375 H&H was as popular. Depended on what you were hunting. If you were going for just Big Bear, 375 usually was the better choice.😅
@@urwingcon7795 All true. The .375 H&H has absolutely earned its reputation as one of the greatest big game rifles. For the Big Bears... there isn't much that's better.
A 110 in 300wm certainly seems like a novelty loading. I suppose it makes some sense if you can only own one rifle for some reason and still need to hunt really big critters.
You should have compared the 300 win mag in the 200 grain Partiton to the 338 win mag🤔😳 you will find that’s the sweet spot for the 300 win mag. I might know since I have been reloading 60+ years and being a gun collector over 60 years!
The 225 grain bullet fired in 338 win mag about duplicates the trajectory of the 180 grain bullet fired from a 30-06, which has proven to kill about everything. The 30-06 is the benchmark in hunting cartridges in America, by which all cartridges are judged. A 225 grain .338 diameter bullet traveling at the same 2700 fps as a 180 grain .308 diamter bullet has to be a wonderful killer of game. I perfer the 338 win mag as more of a step up in killing power over an 06 even though the 300 win mag beats both an 06 and 338 win ballisticly . Killing power is something else altogether different than paper ballisticts. If more power is needed than a 338 win mag , my next step up would be a 416 Remington mag and call it quits at that point. Im not hunting T-Rex.
Back in my younger days I used a .270 win. on white tails. Always got good shots but would wind up having to track deer 70+ yards after a shot. Switched to 7mm mag and .300 win mag and haven’t had to track one (or not be able to find one) since. They usually drop in their tracks or only go a few feet. Great video!
Those factory 300wm velocities really neuter that cartridge, I load my 190ABLR to 3000fps and could go more but I get MOA with that. Rem 700 SPS Stainless 26"
The whelen really is for a North American continent rifle a great setup, most guys are 300 yards and in which even a 250g bullet at 2450-2500 FPS is no slouch. 225’s at 2600 or more same deal. Even at 100 or so FPS slower than listed above a good bullet doesn’t have a problem dropping a large bear or moose at distance. In a handy package to boot!
@@thegreeninvasion5511 I only seen 338 Lapua and 300 WinMag in action. And those are probably some of the most powerful guns owned by civilian in my country.
338 Win Mag is better for big game…period. Can a 300 do a good job, sure but it’s not as deadly, deep penetrating, and DRT compared to the 338. I’ve dropped things from whitetail and hogs to elk, Kudu, Wildebeast and the 338 is hard to beat.
.338 Win Mag (buy your ammo on line, I got Hornady CX 225 gr. for about $50.00/20 rounds before shipping charge & tax), in a Benelli R1. LOVE IT! 4 rounds, semi-auto, gas system + flex stock = All their shotgun recoil mitigation tech makes it feel like a 30-06. For real! Big Texas boar hog medicine.
Myself I have set a limit of 400 yards not because I don't think I could make the shot but because I think at anything past that I can sneak and close the distance to at least 400 my favorite cartridge above 25 cal is 338 and I have a 338 -06 that I built and love but it also have a 257 rob that is under 6 and a half pounds with a one in 8 and a half inch twist that shoots like a Lazer gun but I wouldn't carry it for elk or brown bear if I had a choice my 338 would be my all around every day cary if I was in Alaska
I should add the 300WM is at it's best when hand loaded. You will probably never find factory loaded cartridges that really take advantage of what can be done with the 300WM. You will also be able to do a lot more when you combine a custom champer with hand loading in the 300WM. In a LA like the HOWA it has enough extra space in the magazine box and the action for Weatherby Magnums and with a little work 338 Lapua Magnums which means you can hot-rod the 300WM like the NAVY and US Army did and load to a COAL exceeding SAAMI specifications and still feed from the magazine.
I loaded for 338 win mag with 200gr bullets at 3000 fps win factory was loaded to 2960 fps . I also loaded 275 gr speer bullets at 2575 fps and I have some of the first win loads in 300gr sp at 2450 fps the 300 wm can't do that. Both great loadings. Some of the 225 gr loads are down loaded for some reason by the factory and the Norma is very slow , I was very surprised at how slow they are loaded. Good vid keep it up.
I hunt with a 300 WM and my older brother hunts with a 338WM. We’ve both taken Elk. His elk were taken from about 60 yards to 125 yards. My elk kills have ranged from 85 yards out to 485. All Elk are stories now. Shot placement is everything. Who tee who is correct, I’d rather have too much power than not enough.
I inherited my fathers Model 70 338 Win Mag, I grew up in Montana, 338 useful, I have been in South Louisiana for 30 years, it's a weeee bit overkill here. But I thankfully have dies, and can down load it for the tiny deer here.
I want a 338 win mag. Why? Just because,... im a guy, and i like guns. Lol . I have had many, many different calibers ofrifles, butnever had the 338 win mag. Maybe someday soon.🤞😀
I have carried both for many years, and love both cartridges. I have to give the nod to the .338 simply because of the various firearms I have used this cartridge in. Currently, I am carrying a Thompson Center Encore Pistol (16" barrel) chambered in the .338. For a short barrel and a bit of stiff recoil, this gun is deadly accurate (in itself, I cannot claim that for the shooter). Thank you for the great content, awesome comparison for two great cartridges.
Both are great cartridges and honestly, if reloading, one can work some magic to really make any caliber hit its full potential. That said, the 300WM works great in my case, great long rang gun for deer and when dad hunted a bison, one round took it down, blew through one rib upon entrance, thirty cal hole, took two ribs on the way out and left a 50 cent coin size hole on the exit. That big bison took 5 steps, enough to do a 180 and flopped on it's side. I believe that was around 65-75 yards or so. Definitely gave me confidence in that calibers ability to take some large game down with one shot.
Yeah me too. That BC combined with its starting velocity really gets it out there. Beating out most of the 225 grain 338s by 600 yards doesn’t even sound possible for the “little” 178.
I’ve used both. 338 is gone. 300 WM still here. Elk, antelope, whitetail and mule deer all fell to 180 Partition, 150 Innerbond and 180 Accubond. Probably only use Accubond in the future.
I've also used both, but the 300 is gone. Living in Grizzly country, I want a little more ooomph! I've taken moose, elk, grizzly, black bear, whitetail and mulie all with 250 gr. Nos. Part.
I have both. The 338 is intended for more dangerous game originally the 300 came out last in 1963 movwd the shoulder fwd for more powder more velocity with lighter bullets. Take a 185 gr in a 338 now you have nearly an identical ballistics as 180 300. Go figure. Both are great cartridges.
I don't think Id feel undergunned with the 300WM on all but perhaps the largest of Alaska's really big bears, but I'm sure plenty of those have been taken with the venerable 300WM. As a guide backing up clients, might be wise to step up to the .33Cal. bullet with more energy.
As far as which one I like, depends on the game and the weight of the gun. I would pick the 338, only for the distance and size of game I was hunting 20 years ago. I always thought a 30-06 was overkill for deer. I was shooting at a range 25 years ago, when two kids came in with a ultralight 300 WM. They were doing good to hold a 38" group at 100 yards. I was shooting LH and RH on a 308 Win holding a tight 1/4" group. Those two kids freaked out and left once they saw my group. I cashed in on the brass they left behind!
I load for both. My favorite is my 338 wm, I have quite a few rifles in it. I love mine loaded with 180 grain. I been loading the 300 wm for my son with165 grain. If you compare the 180 to 180, there is not much difference. 3280 fps out of the 338 wm, muzzle. the 300 has 3160. I am using Nosler load data. I have some old barnse coated bullets that are running about 3400 fts. I followed the Barnes load data. I never go above the loads that are listed. My most accurate rifle is a 338 wm Ruger M77 .
Either one of those would be awesome. My last dear was taken with my old Ithaca 37 Featherlight 20 gauge. Where I live in North Carolina, most of the shots I see are well inside of 50 yards. The last one I got was only about 37 yards. I would like to get me a good rifle though.
338WM is absolutely wonderful but it's more gun than most people can shoot well. Plus it has become a much less popular cartridge than in times past. If I were going on a guided hunt for elk or moose and the expected shot ranges were no more than 400 yards the 338WM would be better to me than the 300WM. It would also make a great cartridge for larger African plains game. But for any game smaller than these, I would prefer 300WM. And for larger, more dangerous game (like big bears) I would prefer a 375 of some flavor.
Like I said .338 is a beast. With higher energy comes higher recoil, but with a good muzzle brake, it could tame it down significantly. I still love the .300. I have a .300 win mag, and would never give it up. Keep the great content coming.
I may have missed it, but if you have not already picked up a rifle chambered in 300 PRC to do a video on, please do. This is an outstanding powerhouse with surprisingly manageable recoil and is inherently accurate.
Love nerdin' on the ballistics data. I'm new to ELR, so, since my first goal is to put holes in plywood at a mile, I took advantage of a cheap, previously-loved, 338LM RPR. Good and heavy, shoots quite soft, I assume, compared to a 7lb 700 Long in a synthetic stock. I need to health up a bit, so I'll carry it when I can, just maybe not all day. Peace 🙂
I don't have either but have their close ballistic cousins, 308 Norma Mag, and 358 Norma Mag. The 358 is a thumper. Have 180-250 bullets to take most anything. Can almost do the same with the 308 Norma but it sure is alot easier to shoot.
I don't know where you are getting your 338 ammo from that is 100.00 but Ammo Seek has a bunch of retailers under 100.00. Unless you are still wanting to buy Remmington! Cheaper than dirt has ammo for the 338 Win Mag for 49.95
300WM is a VERY popular law enforcement marksman round across the US and A. All three DMR's I used from 1987 to 1998 were only in 7.62x51. Some special units use the .338 Lapua Magnum in 250gr.
Splitting hairs - or, just acknowledging a different way to look at drop. First: all bullets drop at the same rate. All. Second: we may be measuring, because we can, drop at distance. What we are really measuring is the time it takes to go that distance, by using drop as the "proxy" for time. In other words, you can take the drop and back calculate to figure out how long it took the bullet to get to that distance - because the bullet will always drop at the same rate as all other bullets. The ONLY issue that plays on this is the angle of departure from the rifle barrel. The drop, obviously, can only be measured from an extension of the barrel axis - a straight line - because it begins dropping under gravity as soon as the tail of the bullet loses contact with the muzzle. It's still useful, of course, to use drop at distance, because it's a practical measure that bears on hunting effectiveness - but sometimes it is useful to look at things a different way, and realize what's really going on. If a bullet drops more than another at, say, 300 yards, the only reason is that it took longer to get to 300 yards than the other bullet. Great video, as always. When is your "Who-Tee-Who" theme song coming out on CD?
300 for me. I can get it easily where I'm located and i gotta say the cost of ammo definitely does affect things. Btw i had great results with the Hornady outfitter in my 300 this past deer season.
My personal opinion owning both well the ballistic twin to the 300 win mag I have the 300 wsm but use to have the 300 win mag awhile ago the only advantage I see from hunting with both is if you were going after bison or brown bear which for those two id pick the 338 over the 300. Other than that they both do the same thing equally as well
8mm Rem Mag = .323 in a necked down .375 H&H casing. But its only good for BIG game up close or big game way out. But the 8mm is hard to find, and custom ammo is almost a requirement.
I don't know many Alaska guides that will say... Just bring enough gun to get the job done. Always bring more gun than you need, Angry bears don't mess around. Shot placement is great but i wouldn't completely count on placing an absolute perfect shot.
I think I rather have more energy, I can compensate for drop and drift easier than energy loss. If I was wanting flat long shots, I would throw the 7mm rm in the mix
I'm partial to the .300 win mag, as I've owned one forever. I will say the .300 Weatherby has been fun to use, and I think it covers both rounds. Nice video though.
338 is based off the 7mm rem mag case. I load a 160-185gr Barnes in 338 for deer. 200-225 for bear. I load 185s to 3200fps out of my 338. Like lightning in the bottle. 160s are arpund 3300fps but I prefer 185s. I also load Barnes 210s with a H100V at arpund 2950 and it’s soft shooting. Kicks a little harder than my 06.
Close. Winchester released the 264, 338, and 458 Win Mags at the nearly the same time, based on a shortened 375 H&H case. Remington's Big 7 came later.
Actually the 338 WM predates the 7mm RM, as does the 264 WM. The 7mm was late to the party, but sure caught on as a dance partner once it arrived. 458 WM-56, 338 WM-58, 264 WM-59, 358 NM-59, 308 NM-61 and 7mm RM-62. Over the years, I have known hunters who shoot each of these cartridges, except the 358 Norma. You load a wide variety of bullets, I just use 250 gr. for everything, lol.
All the 300 WMs I’ve ever had have had obnoxious blast. In fact I find a 300 Wby is more pleasant to shoot. Never had a 338 WM, but have had 340 Wby, 338 RUM and 338-378 Wby. My favourite is the RUM loaded with either 231gr Lapua Naturalis or the 210 Swift Scirocco.
