308 VS 30-06 - HOW MANY MILK JUGS??? 

Very well put. The reason I use 170 grain in my 30-30 is for sectional density. (and the proof up here is how they work compared to the 150s, on average, on deer) If I was using a high velocity round, I would chose the longest, heaviest bullet available to me. (if I did not have my woods gun) Unless i was shooting across valleys at pronghorn in big sky country of course. But most people today only talk velocity and energy. Then again, I suppose a lot of shooters today never hunted for meat on the table.

Do you think sectional density matters a whole lot on expanding bullets As far as damage and penetration within 300 yards for game animals?

A 30-30 is capable of taking Elk within it's limited range. My neighbor took a Bull in the Oregon Cascades. It was the only rifle he owned.

i would love to own a Henry or Winchester!!! Even a Marlin would be nice! I want me one of them there Cowboy guns! i would love one in 308 but they dont look like cowboy guns since they are not tube fed! All the true cowboy guns in the movies looked like they had two barrels because of the tube magazine! They just says a cowboy gun to me!But i will have a nice lever action with in the next year! I have several guns on my bucket list for 2020! Im hoping some ofthe 2019 guns i really wanted drop in price this year to make them available for my price range?Also looking into a new chassis for my savage axis in 6.5CM so a lot on my wish list for this year! lol go big or go home i say!LOL

There is nothing wrong with the 30-30. Also the sks has about the same if not more range and punch. The sks box said All deer, Antalope and Black Bear. I had one. Still kick myself for selling it. I paid $100 for it still in the box. All gooped up from packaging. China.

The faster the bullet greater the expansion, greater the energy dump. use fmj then 3006 will win.

Now they have dropped the .308 in favor of the 300WM.

With the same bullet weight my friend you're wrong. If you have the same grain bullet in the same shape bullet the hot 6 isn't dumping more energy on the cinder block at 20 yards. After 200 yd it's hard to tell the difference between the two. I love my hot sex and my 308 but the 308 is inherently more accurate and I've seen elk and moose dropping their tracks at 100 yards with a 308 at shop placement. The 30 ought six people make me laugh.

Unfortunately Voice to Text gets it wrong. Haha I didn't talk about hot sex. My point is after 200 yards they're almost identical.

@@josephmallard9053 don't take that back. it made your comment so much more entertaining 😄. it did throw me for a loop for a second before I got it lol

I know a lot people in Alaska like to use 165 grain and bigger for 30 06. I dont what grains people use in 308 to hunt large game but people use that one in Alaska too.

YE , OF COURSE..IM AGREE.

Yes you’re absolutely correct the 308 will not shoot 180 grain bullet as fast as the 30 out six can shoot the 180 grain bullet The 30 odd six starts to shine at 180 grains in comparison with a 308 but the 308 is much better suited for < 168 Grains. With that being said this is the perfect match up I wish she would’ve used the same brand of ammunition and bullet type! Now I’m going to finish watching the video!

Yes if you used both 150 grain bullets then the only fair comparison would be to compare the two rounds using 180 grain same style of bullets,by the same manufacturer

real metis Absolutely correct!

The neck of a 308 is a bit shorter which puts a limit on bullet length. The 06 had a longer neck which is conducive to longer bullet design Longer bullets have a better ballistic coefficient which is necessary for longer shots. Think of it this way:: if you had a rock and an arrow or spear that weighed the same and you threw them which would go further. A soft ball can be thrown about 300 ft. That's 30 yards. On the other hand a football can be thrown 70 yards. It in the shape of the projectiles.

I believe in this case the drag from the extra expansion of the 30-06 slowed it down faster than the 308. More power dump, but less penetration. It would be interesting to see to what extent the additional bullet weight influences the exiting velocity and ballistics of these rounds. Another point of interest would be ideal barrel length for each caliber to get the most boogie for your buck.

Most really hot loads for 30-06 the case is less than half full and has the same weight of powder as 308 with the same muzzle velocity. It may surprise you that heavier projectiles use less powder and have higher chamber pressure than lighter projectiles. Hot loads are extremely inaccurate. An experience hand loader will get about the same performance from 308 and 30-06 at safe chamber pressure and with good accuracy.

@@jimjohnson8864 are you nuts? most hot 30-06 loads I shoot are compressed powder charges-I have never loaded a 30-06 case half full of any powder. If the 308 is as powerful as a 30-06 then why are the 30 magnums any more powerful?

308 will do the trick too

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Cool video but this guy is right. As soon as you don't use the same bullet the results could go anywhere. Weight retention, rate of expansion, it all makes a difference to penetration.

I need to try one

Love the 25-06, some of my longest deer hunting kills have been with it.

I love them all! Thanks for watching Larry!

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It really don't take a lot of gun to kill a deer ! I'M 70 PLUS YEARS OLD AND FROM A FAMILY WHO WERE HUNTERS THERE ENTIRE LIVES ! That was the Basic meat we ate ! when I first started had a .35 Remington my Dad had a 30-30 and my mom used a 44-40 lever action ! Those guns put down hundreds of deer ! We had venison year round and I would bet we never had any get away ! Its all in shot placement on a thin skinned animal !

When you become ‘one with your gun’ you need to seek help, lol. This is when your wife will leave you and your dog will begin to eye you suspiciously. Turn to alcohol, potato chips, anything, but don’t become another ‘gunnie’.

Me too. Jack O’Connor wrote a lot of good stuff about the 270 if your interested. The 270 uses a necked down 30-06 case so the 270 uses the same amount of charge as a 30-06. Shoots so flat.

That is the way you should frrl. Having faith in your rifle is the most you can get..

Wyman Shermanduster: I sold my last rifle for a wife who didn’t like guns, and man! great bang for the buck, so to speak, lol. Sure do miss that gun though.

@@rayray8687 You can get more bang without selling your 308

I would love to have a carbine rifle chambered on .35 Whelen!

starcommtrey mine to 35 Whalen

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@@tater357 I love mine. Now one thing, for some reason it shoots DIRTY. Swab it every 20 rounds or so. It doesn't have the range of an 06, but under 300 it hits like a hammer.

Factory ammo

Bears I'd probably take 3006

I always wanted to try a 12 gauge slug on a deer. I did a few year's ago. That buck went down like a train fell on it lol. About a 50 yard shot.

@s d That's a too generally claim, and I suspect it to be hard to back up. You can make the 308W go shitty, just as easy as the 30-06, if you play around with the load. My experience is that they both have way more than good enough precision for normal hunting and shooting. The rifle, the load of the cartridge, and the shooters skill, is way more important for accuracy than the shape and volume of the two cartridges.

@s d Those arguments will I not argue against. :-) Even the "perfect cartridge" in the "best" rifle, is inferior if it doesn't fit the shooter. If the "feel" of the rifle is wrong, then you are better off without it.

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If they are concerned about recoil, they aren't shooting a 308. Also, old heavy 30-06 and similar calibered guns don't hit nearly as hard as my new black synthetic stock 308

Saying that, I love both calibers and I think simply saying one caliber is better than any other is stupid. It all depends on what your shooting at and your purpose, situation, interests, skill, etc.

@s d The shorter casing of the 308W also has a quicker and more even ignition of the powder for better accuracy.

Not in the hunting world it was made to replace the 30 06 in the military world. 308 short action for faster follow up shots less weight more ammo. Dnt get me wrong i love the 308 for hunting. Its what i use. I will agree the 308 is also more accurate. 308 nd 270 my favorites😁

All of what you said is hard to argue with and is simple wisdom for hunters. The only thing I would add is it is never a bad thing to "overkill" so the .308 and 06 are dynamite for whitetails with any bullet of 125gr and above. And shot placement has always been and should always be our paramount concern as hunters.

@@Leif1963 exactly.

Steve D Thats not what the .308 was designed for .

My wife uses a 94 357 mag. She loves that gun. Brings down deer just as dead as my 308

They were lead tipped not plastic tipped

30-06 shines in hand loads and is the most versatile round in existence. 180gr is too heavy for deer at most ranges and likely passed right through the deer without expanding, although this has a lot to do with bullet choice as well. I wouldn't and don't use anything heavier than 165gr bullets and have no issues.

@s d well I read a lot about the 270 from a guy who wrote for Outdoor Life. Jack O"Conner. He killed every animal in North America including all bears. I know for sure that the 270 is more accurate than the 06 and the 308 also is more accurate than the 06. Accuracy is helped along because of the difference of the difference in diameter of the cartridge body and the neck. Observe the 22-250. The 65 creedmore, the 308, the Remington and Winchester short 300 magnums. All have fat bodies and marrow necks. All are very accurate. One reason I like the 270 is the flat trajectory. 7mm Remington mag shoots a bit flatter and has a stronger recoil as well. 7mm mag is a good choice for western states. However, in partially wooded areas the 270 works well. I believe I mentioned that I never had an exit wound with a 270 on white tails using 130 grain bullet. For larger game 270 can be had with a 150 grain factory. And if you reload a 170 grain bullet is available. What I noticed is that basically the 270 out shines the 06 when using lighter bullets and the 06 is better with heavier bullets. Speed in ballistics means more energy when the bullet hits game. A huge.poimt One year when hunting whitetail with about 3 inches of snow on the ground a dear came across my line of sight. It was bounding and I took a shot as it leaped into the air. When I found the tracks in the snow I followed them and came to the spot where the deer made its last bound. Tracks disappeared. How could that be. Well I looked around and found the deer laying 9 feet away from where I shot it. You see, I hit the deer when it was in the air and it flew sideways 9 feet before it hit the ground. My friend, that is a lot of energy that caused the deer to fly sideways 9 feet. I was amazed. Now, I doubt it very much if an 06 or 308 could do the same. More than likely the bullet would have passed right through with out releasing all of its energy. Saw a film about a hunter who shot a bull moose with an 06 at 50 yards 5 times in the heart area. The moose just stood there and looked at him. He reloaded and fired the 6th round. Then the moose collapsed. I could see the hairs move on the moose. He had a great shot group using 180 grain bullet. 180 grain on an 06 is potent. You see the 270 is a very flat shooting cartridge..if zeroed in correctly the drop in flight might be 2 1/2 inches or so. Which means that I could sneak a bullet through s hole in the scrubs or branches of about 2 inches or less out to 250 yards. You would need a hard recoiling magnum to do that. So. Why suffer.

You are right i shot a smaller doe with a Winchester model 70 .308 went right thru the long ways thru the ribs and out the back thigh lucky it died in a river 25 ft away bad gut shot my dad always bought me 180 grain after that i never used them again for Whitetail. With the same gun my Gpa shot a buck a doe both dropped on the spot always about shot placement.

I shot a deer from about 60yrd with a 130gr 270. And it certainly had a exit hole. I also shot one with a 120gr and a 150gr 270 all had exit holes.

@@jmkhenka My dad was a sniper in WW II AND He had a special rifle and ammunition made especially for snipers. He said he could drive tracks with it. A military rifle is considered accurate if it has less than a 3 inch group at 100 yards. My m14 grouped 3 inches at 100 yards and I hit 20 for 20 at 500 meters. 540 yards. Sniper rifles had match grade barrels. Scopes were special and were programmed for specific amo. They could be adjusted way pass 1k yds. My buddy's m14 had a 1/2 inch group at 100 yards. Most of my shooting was less than 75 yards, so I was ok. So. Accuracy depends on the rifle. I met a guy at the range who bought a surplus M1 Garand 30-06. He had the action worked over and put on a new match grade barrel. He was getting less than 1/2 in groups at 100 yards with Remington 30-06 amp.

All i know is i want a long range rifle i can reach out to a mile with and still have terminal velocities ......For deer hunting as well as long range comps!cant make up my mind? was looking at 338Lap but idk?

I took a deer w my 338 lapua this year. I love it. Ammo is sky high tho

@@WHOTEEWHO I took a Deer with my Yamaha FZ-07 Motorcycle at 50 MPH .. Insurance CO estimated the damage @ $3,700.00 parts and labor ect..

@@mikeskidmore6754 Try not to use ammo you have to ride into the target. At $3,700.00, the cost of reloading is too high.

I believe that the 308 was adopted by NATO, because the average European is smaller than the average American. That and the development of the M14,

Thanks for watching Dave!

Dad hunt's with a Browning blr .308. He uses 180 gr power point bullets. I was always bothered by how far his deer ran off after being shot. I think a lighter bullet might be more affective. I might have to borrow the gun and try it out.

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Peter Hathaway Capstick tells the story of an old African man that he knew had dropped to bull elephants with a .22 LR. The placement was a spot in the head. Nonetheless, the 22 made it’s way into the cranial vault through hide and a pathway that allowed it to not have to work against the pachyderm’s massive skull. Placement is everything!

Like my Swedish mauser as well.

not for hunting.

because with 150 grains, the 308 and 30-06 are almost ballistically identical. but bring that up to 165 grain or even 180 grain in both rifles, the 30-06 runs away with it.

Did you ever stop to ask the question 'if the 30-06 is such a great round why does every military sniper in the world use every other round before they get to that one?' .308 win, .300 win mag, .338 lapua mag, 50BMG i mean where is the 30-06? Again shoot what you like and be great with it.

I love the 308. Ammo cheap too. Thanks for watching Evan!

I LOVE my dads .308 savage model 99f. 53 years old. I have a 30-06 but his .308 feels so comfortable. I decided to use it to hunt with instead of my 30-06 this year cause I want more range time and need to adjust it a bit. But I had never shot his .308 idk what it is it just feels so good in my hands, im so comfortable with that rifle.

@@benjaminwebb5759 I prefer .308 because it is smaller and you can carry more,I'm a crap shot so need a lot

@David Watson 308 is perfect for my needs. It's a perfect rifle for deer hunting::))

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243 is excellent cartridge, parent cartridge is 308. 243 does not have the energy of a 308 at 300 yards but it is more accurate. A well placed shot with a 243 at up to 400yds can be just as effective as a 30 caliber. 25-06 another excellent cartridge is almost the 30-06 version of 243

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I love my 35 Remington too been using it for 20 years

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Duofold I agree. I haul around my Swedish Mauser in 6.5x55. It’s a heavy rifle but it’s a tack driver.