308 WIN: 4 Reasons You NEED One 3 Reasons You Don't

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In today's video we will be going over the 4 reasons that you need a 308 Winchester and 3 reasons why you may want to avoid it. Thanks for watching!
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This list is by no means comprehensive, so let me know if there are any other reasons why you would or wouldn't want a 308 in your collection.
As always these tests are meant for educational and entertainment purposes only. Do not try any of these tests at home! The quantities listed on Midway were accurate at the time of recording but they may not reflect the most up to date quantities. If you choose to reload, always make sure to use reputable manual or online resource. Contains affiliate link to Amazon.

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@narref04 Год назад

It's a NATO cartridge, which means it will be around atleast 20 years past that. Other rounds will come and go. But the 308 will just carry on... hated by some. Loved by many, sold by ALL.

@dmutant2635 Год назад

And as long as the surplus ammo is still around. lol

@jpaul8589 Год назад

The .308 isNOT a 7.62nato. Much higher chamber pressures and would do scary wrong stuff in a 7.62 barrel.

@romak4756 Год назад

Chamber Design: Perhaps the real difference between the .308 Winchester cartridge case and the 7.62 NATO case is the chambers they are specifically designed for. Typically, military rifles are made with slightly longer chambers (longer headspace). This is to help insure fast, easy feeding and ejection through rapid-fire sequences (i.e. auto-fire). The published difference in this headspace between the two cartridge cases is approximately six-thousandths of an inch - small, yet, significant. Bearing in mind that the .308 Winchester is specified for a ‘hotter’ powder load than that of the 7.62, firing it in a chamber with the added headspace will stretch the brass much more than the lower powder load 7.62. With a thinner brass wall design, the results may lead to an over-stretching (i.e. case ruptures, etc.). In summary, the biggest difference between the .308 Winchester cartridge case and the 7.62 NATO cartridge case is with the chambers they are designed for. Manufactured .308 Winchester and 7.62 NATO rounds can safely and effectively be fired in rifles design for .308 calibers, but manufactured 7.62 rounds should be shot only within rifles designated for 7.62 calibers. Not exactly the same

@hamhocks Год назад

@@jpaul8589 but it doesn’t matter because 99% of people who own this cartridge are using a 308 rated barrel and not a 7.62 barrel. Therefore, you can shoot the NATO ammo with no problem.

@heroinmom153 Год назад

We just got a Fulton Armory M14 and all I can say is DAMN... what a fine round and a fine gun. It DESTROYS what you hit with it.

@chets3597 Год назад

7.62 has taught people the difference between concealment and cover for years.

@TomDog5812 11 месяцев назад

HA! Thanks man. You made me chuckle.

@C.R.Castaneda-nm5xt 8 месяцев назад

😁

@reloadnorth7722 Год назад

I use my 308 Win for moose hunting up to 300 yards, and my 300 Win Mag for up to 600 yards. I have never lost an animal using the 308 Win.

@CommieCrusher87 Год назад

308 all day. I find the bullets expand and puts animals down quick. I lost a few with 7mm Rem Mag.

@12monkey57 Год назад

What bullets are you using?

@reloadnorth7722 Год назад

@@12monkey57 180gr Nosler Partition for the 300WM H1000 powder, 165gr Speer SPBT for the 308W with either Varget or IMR4895, federal magnum primers for both

@Liamisdead99 Год назад

@@CommieCrusher87 probably the shooter if your loosing them to a 7mm mag.

@hotramen5952 Год назад

@@CommieCrusher87 sounds like your are afraid of the rifle or you tried to put deer bullets through the back end of a moose. the 7 mag is a gold standard of elk hunting, and frankly they are harder to kill.

@SaltyMaverick Год назад

The .308 is a workhorse, and I will always love it. My first semi-auto rifle was a PTR-91 chambered for it, and I love the old "battle rifle" concept.

@kellscorner1130 Год назад

7.62x39 vs 300 blk. pros, cons, etc etc. your style should make that entertaining.

@bananaballistics Год назад

Have a steel test coming out with these two calibers soon. Thanks for the idea on a video like this one!

@DrewEdwardBacklas Год назад

There should definitely always be a 308 in your collection. The last few years of ammo shortages alone are enough to convince me of that. Add to that the fact that there’s nothing in the lower 48 I can legally hunt that I couldn’t ethically kill out to 400 yards (or more) with the 308. I have “sexier” options, but the 308 is a utility cartridge. It can do nearly everything.

@KINGRODP Год назад

EVERYTHING

@piobmhor8529 4 месяца назад

Here in Canada during Covid, the ammo shelves were empty…except for 9mm and .308. Come deer season, some guys were borrowing Grandpa’s .308 Savage 99.

@wizard_of_poz4413 3 месяца назад

It was basically the opposite here where all the common shit was getting picked clean every 5 seconds while the weird shit like 25acp or .303 British was still there

@williamkowalchik572 3 месяца назад

@@wizard_of_poz4413We had a lot of the 350 and 450 on the shelves.

@williamgeorge2591 Год назад

I think the most informative part of the video was the actual difference between .223 and 6.5 grendel.

@2clicksup910 Год назад

Love the 308. It will never go away. Been doing the business since forever and will continue to do so long after we’re all gone. The new flashy cartridges come along and set the world on fire, then disappear just as quickly. Why: because they really don’t offer that much more to the average shooter, who always seems to gravitate back to the tried and true performer. Despite all the hype, most just end up being just another middle of the road caliber that sits somewhere in between calibers that are already out there. Anyway, good vid Mate. Cheers from Down Under.

@bananaballistics Год назад

That's definitely sums it up!

@poorfatman5317 Год назад

If you're gonna say since forever you mean 4570

@m1k3_flo Год назад

@@poorfatman5317he meant 30-06

@m1k3_flo Год назад

He meant .45 caliber basalt rock shot out of a 1294 bangstick

@terrarecon 11 месяцев назад

I love the .308, but I don't hate the 6.5 Creedmoor. The .308 has been out for decades it's going to be more popular for that reason alone.

@CircleBrewery Год назад

Reloading for the .308 is efficient and still kinda economical… I’ve only shot out to 350 yards and it’s accurate and still punches hard at that range 😊

@HomerEscobar1 Год назад

She still got 1000 more yards to go!

@cheyennelayton Год назад

I have no doubt there are better rifles with far better ballistics. But for me personally the war is one of economics and when shtf, the availability of ammo for the .308 puts it ahead all the time. Think of it as the Sherman tank of rifles. Not the best but by shear volume it's performance is on top.

@informationexchange4085 10 месяцев назад

The best reason to own a .308 - an AR10. I have plenty of AR15's and what I call an AR10 Magnum (300WM beast variant... woah), but my AR10 light builds with 16" match barrels is the perfect all rounder. Plenty accurate out to 600yrds with my reloads. When SHTF, it's my go-to. Pew pew.

@frankcastle9691 4 месяца назад

Made some 308 high bc rounds, 707 bc 178g running 2750. Probably go out to 1000 yards accurately.

@somercet1 3 месяца назад

"whoa," please.

@traillesstravelled7901 Год назад

So far love it. My budget .308 is more accurate than I can shoot with moderate ammo. Doesn't hurt the shoulder from a day at the range, but still should do the job I'm asking.

@coupe50h Год назад

Just got me a savage .308, black Friday deal, then i put in an mcarbo trigger, and it's a nice shooter, after 40 rounds at the range my shoulder was just a little sore, but not bad, I'm thin framed lol.

@robertsims9201 Год назад

My FN SCAR20S is probably one of the smoothest 308s I've shot.

@rowdytitan Год назад

Thanks for including the 6.5 Grendel, that was great seeing it side by side with the .308.

@Cyberhacker3 Год назад

I'm going to pick up a Ruger SFAR in .308 with the 20 inch barrel ,,, as soon as my Wife isn't looking.

@bananaballistics Год назад

Hopefully soon, those are sweet rifles!

@robertgoodrich8953 3 месяца назад

Save your money. I looked at one. It is so obviously made poorly with cheap materials. The web agrees and says it is an unreliable rifle. Go look at a POF Revolution or Rogue with a dictator adjustable gas block. Well made with Premium quality Parts. Can consistently ring steel at .300 yds yet quick enough for CQB. And, because it is .308 it just takes one hit anywhere on the body to stop a bad guy in his tracks! So, SFAR? Resounding NO! For a POF or a SCAR 17? Yes Yes Yes! Buy Once cry once. Don't put good money after bad. When the life of my family or myself is at stake, I go for the best, not the cheapest!

@Cyberhacker3 3 месяца назад

@@robertgoodrich8953 Yeah you are right , its a piece of Caca ,,, jam after jam after jam ,,, i have zero trust in its reliability , even after Ruger sent it back from being repaired.

@chrisdarcy8998 Год назад

308 / 7.62x51 is still the most common sniper round on a global basis. That speaks volumes about the cartridge and the weapons platforms. (I know, 7.62x51 is slightly different than 308 but we're splitting hairs). I've dropped a 400lb pig at 250yds (165grn Speer Grand Slam), upto a Whitetail doe at ~400yds (150grn Nosler BT, couldn't get a good read on the rangefinder and she needed a sighter, but neither went more than a couple of yds. The 3 cons are valid but the 4 pros carry far more weight. 308 will never go away, it's just too good in so many ways and if you need to stop something at 800+ you really should be going to .30-06 with high BC / heavier bullets or 300 Win Mag or 338 Lapua. I wouldn't say I'm a fan of 6.5 CM or the other so called 'newer' cartridges (are they really new?) I think they are good rounds. When wanting to 'stop' things at distance, always look to what the military use. That said, I do acknowledge that military, USMC for example, are testing 6.5 CM for example. Things change! Great video, keep it up!

@MetaVizions Год назад

Agreed

@mikef3655 11 месяцев назад

be careful shooting 7.62/51 out of a gun chambered in .308. Not all can take the presser or have the right head clearance.

@terrarecon 9 месяцев назад

@@mikef3655 you have it in reverse. The .308 is more powerful between the .308 and 7.62x51. your confusing the 5.56 and .223 with the .308 and 7.62. It's the reverse when it comes to the 5.56 versus .223. The 5.56 is more powerful.

@Lifeinthecountryfamilyislife Год назад

I love the 308 its mild recoil and versatility is fantastic. However... I got a really good deal on a 6.5cm as a family man I thought of my kids and bought it. My son is the one that used the 6.5 this year. He was able to harvest 3 deer so far but the one I have on video on my channel was a straight heart shot and it took longer to expire than I like. I knew it was done and didn't let him shoot it again. But I think it hurt his little heart to see that deer do what it did. He didn't want to hunt for several months after that. Thanks to the RU-vid community for the kind comments he's back hunting. I didn't show him the negative ones and there were plenty of them. Next season he's going to the 308 I dislike the 6.5 and question its bullet expansion now. Great gun on paper but that's about it as far as I'm concerned.

@gooslesspondd8378 Год назад

I’ve found the 6.5 to be fantastic. I’ve killed bear at around 400-500 yards with one shot and dropping them just about instantly. Very suprised to hear that it had trouble killing deer.

@colinmckim4515 Год назад

What bullet and distance?

@alejandrogonzales7022 Год назад

Your son could have touched the deer with his pinky and people would still leave negative, mean comments. It's the internet and, unfortunately people will be jerks because they know they'll get away with it. Bullies are trash and not worth listening to. Glad your boy is back at it.

@Lifeinthecountryfamilyislife Год назад

@@alejandrogonzales7022 your exactly right! Thanks bro!

@jagx234 4 месяца назад

I had a similar experience with a strawberry Dahl and 6.5C @ 120ish yds. Through and through both lungs, little damage, no expansion just a quarter inch hole, 143gr hornady precision hunter. Checked afterwards to be sure, definitely was the hunting ammo, never bought any target to to mix up in it. I was surprised to not see mangled lungs as I do with 308 and 300wm on whitetail or pronghorn.

@NYPrepper Год назад

I broke that same block at 300 yards with my AR-308 almost broke it at 500 yards. Yea 308 is a no brainer, everyone should have one. It's so versatile. Also extremely efficient in short barrels, retains a lot of velocity and energy with short barrels. Lower recoil compared to 30 caliber magnums and 30-06. Easy to suppress. The list goes on and on.

@thomash196 Год назад

I like it because it really does just about everything pretty well. It’s not the best at anything, but it’s it’s a close second to most everything

@redfaux74 Год назад

That's a good informational video. Thank you. 🎈🥳🎈Congrats on 10k already! You have just the right amount of nerd, real man and gun freak to captivate. Your humor is unique. I love these various tests on diff strata with various ammo and barrel lengths. Your pace bounces from dot to dot efficiently. And 10 minutes is a perfect video length. Keep it there and under. Better to have 2 short videos than 1 long one. Carry on brother. A plus from me. ❤️

@bananaballistics Год назад

I really appreciate all of the kind remarks and commenting!

@BuckyTJones Год назад

The best thing about the 308 projectile is it will work in a 308, 30.06 and the 300 win mag. Can't beat that with a stick.

@Tool-Meister 7 месяцев назад

My thoughts as a hunting round are, 308 is the cartridge name and the recommended distance. Beyond that, in North America, I’d recommend a magnum round larger than a 6.5mm bore. As a deterrent, a 308 or the likes of a 6.5 Creedmoor in a AR-10 chassis would get the job done…. I’ve spent my entire life hunting deer, elk, bear, a single moose, and various varmints, while living in California, Colorado, Wyoming, New Mexico, and Oregon. So, your mileage will vary as will your choice of cartridges. Each one has advantages and disadvantages. My loyalties are so bifurcated, I built 2 AR-10s, one in 308 & one in 6.5 Creedmoor I took my moose with one round of a WW-I, 8mm Mauser.

@AstanaxKnight Год назад

In taking the first steps to reloading, I was pleasantly surprised to find the .308 caliber bullet easily fit my 30-30 Winchester, .300 AAC Blackout, and .308 Winchester in terms of reloading. I also found that I have a lot more .300 AAC Blackout brass saved up than the other two.

@grayhairedgear5992 Год назад

Cool review, as usual! Bought a Ruger American in .308 for my son's first "real" rifle late last summer, and the caliber choice was driven primarily by local availability at the time. Stunningly good rifle for the price, and I'm not disappointed with the caliber at all.

@bananaballistics Год назад

Those Ruger Americans are surprisingly good rifles for the money!

@samuelpope7798 Год назад

6.5 Grendel did great. It would really be interesting to see what the 6.5 Creedmoor would do. Then repeat the test at 500yds. I doubt there would be any visible difference.

@Game-The-System 3 месяца назад

Have literally shot .308 rounds for >30 years. Only recently did I become more interested in the long(er) range ballistics of the round. As I recall, the bullet drop at ~500 yards for a 150gr bullet is something like 4 feet. Now, that seems pretty dramatic. However, when you compare it to a .223 55gr bullet at the same range, the bullet drop is almost 3 feet. If we're talking about a single shot out past 500 yards, I have little doubt that there are rounds with better ballistics, generally speaking. However, between arguably the two of the most popular rounds that exist, for a single shot I'll take a heavier, slightly slower predictable round versus one that is less-than half the weight, moving faster and is more susceptible to wind & rain.

@Longtrailside Год назад

308 just works for about everything that you need it to do. If you need more go to a 300wm. They pair great for reloading sinc ethey use the same bullet. Enjoy the channel.

@bananaballistics Год назад

I agree!

@ronws2007 Год назад

My round of choice is the .308 Win and I have 4 rifles in that. In fact, whenever I see a new model of rifle, I will look to see if it is offered in .308 Win. I am getting great accuracy with the Federal Fusion 165 gr. Granted, it is dropping below 1,000 foot-pounds at just about 500 yards but that is fine for the whitetail deer that I hunt. My longest ranged sight on the public land I have used is 225 yards. And I am comfortable with my skills to 300 yards. As I have mentioned elsewhere, I came to this round from studying military uses. Marine and other snipers were trained on 7.62 x 51 mm NATO at about 175 gr, which would do significant damage to a 200 pound target out to 600 yards. So, I figured, that should work for deer, especially at closer distances. I could shoot 1k yards and there is a competition for .308 Win that does exactly that. It might be a bit tough to get an elk at over 600 yards. For that kind of back country hunt, I might move to a 7 mm Rem Mag, which I have seen used successfully. Maybe the new 7 mm PRC.

@07thunderhawk Год назад

Love the 6.5 Grendel, truly underrated

@Tony_Seed 4 месяца назад

This guy knows what’s up

@Darth-Nihilus1 Год назад

I love my 30Hate rifles. The HK91 and Zastava Pap 77 and my Savage are my favorites out of what I have.

@yellowdog762jb Год назад

More reasons: Afforadble and reliable AR10 platform rifles + 7.62x51 mil-surp ammo and battle packs + affordable reliable mags. Easy and (relatively) cheap to stockpile. And if you already have an ammo stash put back, you need a rifle to shoot it out of.

@bananaballistics Год назад

Those are great points! I was thinking about the military ammo after I made the video

@trapperbobpatriot8288 Год назад

I have two 308s. One is a rugar the other a savage with long fluted barrel. I have been hunting with the rugar the last several years. I worked up a load and hardly ever miss

@natlovell122 Год назад

Looking at a Ruger in .308 so nice to see this comment

@TheRabidMachina Год назад

appreciate the dry humorous sarcasm to explain the topic, subbed.

@johnkaraphillis754 Год назад

I would recommend a .308 to all new shooters due to the availability of components and factory ammo. My father hunted with that cartridge all his 70+ years of hunting and never looked elsewhere. I have never owned or hunted with it but the 7-08 is my second favorite and usually my whitetail cartridge. Thanks

@Goodtimesvideos1122 Год назад

I love the .308. My dad and I have killed many animals with that trusty old caliber. Not going anywhere in my book. Great video! Keep em coming! 💯

@a.joegevara3519 10 месяцев назад

Love 7.62x51 & 308 they have always, and will continue to be the main staple in my cache!

@timbow50 Год назад

If u don’t own a good solid rifle in .308 GET ONE!

@Q_The_Rabbit Год назад

I love my 308 customs M24 SWS & M1A SA9222, both with NighForce NXS 8-32x56 optics to 800m. Beyond that, I use ACMX(in mostly) 338 Lapua & AX50. But, 308 is my #1 fave. I use the M24 for deer hunting, & have a 1shot:1deer/antelope/elk result for 26 seasons. 308 is my bomdigity go to

@jeffgalloway6400 Год назад

With the prices in today's market, you better have surplus ammo for your semi-auto.

@willo7734 Год назад

Love the 308. Glad that my buddy the 6.5 Grendel also put on a great performance.

@GreenPleco 23 дня назад

I like your videos. I am new to guns and live in California so I don’t have much options however your videos are very informative. Keep up the good work.

@markp6062 5 месяцев назад

Functionality, Versatility and availability make it the obvious choice for keeping and stockpiling. Others are great, too, but it's like trying to replace the 5.56 or the 22LR. Not gonna happen.

@Rickkari7 Год назад

6.5 Grendel AR deer hunter here. Took 2 at 175 yards this year. Definitely a legit round in a AR15 size round. Appreciate you using that in the comparison. Probably a eye opener to many. The 308 is a given for a all around big game killer. A coworker just dropped 2 doe back to back here in middle TN the other evening with his Ruger American 308. The little Grendel isn't too far behind though.

@kevmoful Год назад

You should have a 308 just my opinion. In my part of the country many gas stations sell ammo when you are in a pinch . 308, 30-30, 270, and probably 30-06. You can buy a box of any of those just about anywhere here in Appalachia. My favorite reason to have a 308 is simple , the FAL. I get the grins every time I take mine out.

@brookesprecision6272 Год назад

I would like to see you do 243 Winchester versus 308,

@mathiask7959 Год назад

I recently bought an AR in 5.56 and I’m planning on getting a bolt action 308 later on this year

@carlrobinson8177 Год назад

A savage model 10 FCP and a Saint Victor both in 308. A love story Yes 💯🎯🔥🔥

@douglasmcneil8413 Год назад

I like the idea of the AR-10. Changing out uppers gives you the option of shooting anything from 243 up to 358. Plus a few I probably didn't think of. And yes 308 can be reloaded to pretty much whatever you need.

@vhfgamer 10 месяцев назад

Too bad it's based off the M16.... the absolute worst rifle design fielded by any army in the last 60 years.

@douglasmcneil8413 10 месяцев назад

@@vhfgamer You have it backwards. the M16 was based on the AR 10. When Armalite thought the U.S. was going to keep the 7.62x54. When they switched to the 5.56 Armalite shrunk down the action to fit the new cartridge.

@vhfgamer 10 месяцев назад

@@douglasmcneil8413 The US has never used the 7.62x54. That is a russian cartridge. The US uses 7.62x51, and used to use 7.62x63 (otherwise known as 30-06). None of which changes the fact that the M16/AR15/AR10 or any derivative is a crap design.

@douglasmcneil8413 10 месяцев назад

@@vhfgamer I miss typed. I meant to say 7.62x51. But my fingers had their own Idea of what to type.

@douglasmcneil8413 10 месяцев назад

@@vhfgamer I'll let others debate the merits of the AR design. There's a lot of folks that think FORD stands for Found On Road Dead. Yet they sell a lot of FORDs and they sell a lot of ARs. So someone's doing something right.

@meejmuas8686 9 месяцев назад

Barrel life is also less for 6.5. .308 barrels tend to be able to handle higher round count. Although most people may not shoot that many rounds for their uses

@jacktrout5807 Год назад

If I were to choose one gun one caliber all things considered an MSR in .308 would be the one. I have many rifles and love the 6.5s (grendel and creed), love my 6mm creed, just started messing with the 25, but for ammo availability and accuracy vs cost effectiveness and component variety ? None are more versatile than the .308.

@markchapman2585 Год назад

Great video as always. I have 243 270 and 30-06 I got off my grandfather there old but in great shape for there age. But I always use the good old 30-06 I can get ammo for it easy.

@bananaballistics Год назад

I have seen 30-06 ammo in stores I didn't even know sold ammo

@exothermal.sprocket Год назад

.30-06 in a lot of places in the last couple years was hard to find. .308 was piled high. Why? NATO contracts, and criminal presidents sending ammo to criminal foreign countries.

@pakieffer49 Год назад

I built a bolt rifle last year and the only reason it's 308 not 7mm-08 is availability of ammo. 7mm-08 is a great all around cartridge that suits everything I do with a rifle, but you it's hard to find a lot of variety and quantity...hence 308. Great video!

@finaltouchautodetailingllc Год назад

Love your videos! You crack me up and give good info

@Jalexander61 Год назад

Love the 308, don’t get to shot longer ranges often but was able to take it out to 800 yards and it hung right in there with the 6.5 cr.

@rob6850 Год назад

Man you should do radio commercials and tv voice-overs with that voice

@redfaux74 Год назад

Yes. Bass in a gospel quartet. 🎈🥳🎈

@bananaballistics Год назад

Maybe someone will pick me up lol

@C.D.-tz6sk 4 месяца назад

Radio!!! @@bananaballistics

@Armfield1 Год назад

The .308 is very versatile, good energy at hunting ranges and a little longer if you need it. The 6.5 creedmoor is built to maintain more energy at longer distances which is why I think you don't see as many semi autos, a bolt action for longer range precision is gonna be marginally better. I'm all about my 300 win mag personally 🤣

@ryaniam22 Год назад

Ya I never understand why anyone serious about long range shooting would ever choose 6.5 creedmoor over 300 win mag. Only PRS guys shooting paper. No real world military shooter would. It makes zero sense. 300 win mag with 215-250 grainers now can match 338 lapua magnum trajectory...and not far behind energy either

@BaconSlayer69 4 месяца назад

@@ryaniam22the US military adopted the 6.5creedmore for their DMR 😅so ur wrong 😅

@charliesierra6919 8 месяцев назад

This was interesting! Subbed.

@raulmartinez9422 Год назад

Wow your ar10 shoots smoothly. Do you have adjustable gas block? And what suppressor is that? I really enjoy your videos!! More videos please!!

@bananaballistics Год назад

I appreciate it! Yes, adjustable gas block and this was an AAC can

@stumpyhigginbottom3466 Год назад

One of the greatest things about .308, IMO, is how many other cartridges you can form from the brass. 6mm or 6.5mm Creedmoor? Sure. .243 Win? Yep. .260 Rem, 7mm-08, even the new 8.6 Blackout? All yes. So you can buy and shoot the relatively inexpensive 308 and then make whatever you need for your slightly more boutique rifles. Glad you showed Grendel up against the 308. The whole point was to approximate 308 ballistics in the mini action, and the Grendel does indeed get quite close, especially at distance thanks to the high BC you can get with 6.5mm bullets in the 120-140 grain range. Nice video. Thanks for doing it.

@zentropoetic 3 месяца назад

A round nicknamed "three oh hate" got my attention growing up. Just got a POF revolution few weeks ago. Was told constantly by several well meaning, wise and educated people to go with 556 as my first maybe only. I agreed over and over, just couldn't shake what I felt about what I wanted. I've got a benelli m4, S&W M&P 9, and now a pof rev, I feel like my little arsenal is well rounded. I'll probably get into long range shooting with some more exotic calibers cause that seems like golf but for men

@irafowlerjr.7492 Год назад

Good info, very helpful, thanks

@buyUSA9808 3 месяца назад

I put together a PSA AR in .308 with the 20" barrel. I was pleasantly surprised to get repeated hits at 500 yards with PMC bronze (which floored me with 1 MOA groups). I've since put on a brake (damn shoulder surgeries) and a Geissele SSA-E trigger and have begun working up hand loads. I anticipate reliable hits past 600 yards with 165gr ELDs. This would definitely make a great med-long range hog hammer.

@chadmartfeld Год назад

If you did a radio show. I'd be all over it Great content. Great voice

@claudiocadalcoinvestimento3008 11 дней назад

there are some pros that you have talked about, but in lack of importance (for me) - LOADS AND LOADS OF CARTRIDGES AVAILABLE - availability is a must - Rifles to shoot it - Price to shoot, if you dont practice enough, it does not matter wich cartridge you use... you will miss it

@claudiocadalcoinvestimento3008 11 дней назад

any cartridge will do the job, at the correct distance, at the right place in the target. if you have 10 different kind of rifles, different cartdrige possibly you are any good in any of them. If you use only one cartdrige with the same rifle, same scope, same bullets, the chances are that you will be very good at with that rifle, cartdrige and different range distances... simple as that. I see people LIKE IN MATRIX MOVIE, with loads of guns, ammo, etc... for me does not work like that... you do your research, get the rifle, get the scope, and do the shooting till you get good with that.

@williamwinn948 Год назад

love 308 in the ar platform

@unitedforcefitness6571 Год назад

Great information thanks!

@robertwright7969 Год назад

The 6.5 was tested after the same block had been shot 3 times and weakened significantly. Should have switched it out after the .223. I don’t think the 6.5 Grendel would have been as close in comparison to the .308 as you think…but maybe. Who knows.

@mmpatriot2170 Год назад

I’m already sold on 308. This video increased my interest in 6.5 Grendel. 👍

@rjoetting7594 Год назад

I have a 308AR 22inch barrel and love it. Also 6.5 Creedmoor, and Grendel they are great. But one of my favorites is the grandfather of the 308 a 1950 Savage 99 in 300 Savage in beautiful condition looks like the previous owner kept it in the safe or In the closet.

@MrMrmetro 11 месяцев назад

My pick too! I have my grandpa's Model 99 in 300 Savage that grandma bought for him in 1951. Great gun.

@user-co2wo7ej2f 15 часов назад

My son calls from the Academy gun bar asking should he buy the 6.5 Creedmore or the .308. I told him .308 . He replied everybody is getting the 6.5. I informed him that the 6.5 is the latest Gucci round, expensive while gaining performance he would never in Coastal Georgia. He bought the .308 .

@308guy8 Год назад

The 308 is a workhorse and very accurate. I'm running a 178gr at 2800 fps so I don't see any gain going to a 6.5 needs more

@NahImPro Год назад

Awesome videos here your channel is a gem

@Lanzerath1244 Год назад

Excellent video.

@RezaQin Год назад

I love my Mega MATEN in 308. Such a great rifle with its heavy ass buffer and JP bolt.

@Ando2k10 Год назад

One of the big advantages that .308 has is the availability of DOPE for, almost, any bullet grain weight.

@BikerDash Год назад

I absolutely love my PSA PA-10 in .308 Winchester. Using Remington 150 gr Core-Lokt loads, my rifle will regularly place 5 rounds into a group measuring under a half inch at a hundred yards. Winchester 150 gr Power Point load 5 shot groups hover right at a half inch. Any deer that gets inside 300 yards is goin into my freezer. Ammo cost is a big factor in my opinion for choosing the .308. Just before the ammo shortage kicked in, I was able to score 160 rounds of surplus 7.62x51 for a hundred bucks. While nowhere near as accurate as the Remington loads my rifle loves, it's a lot less expensive. And the Remington and Winchester loads I'm currently finding for about $40 a box. 6.5 Creedpoop generally costs a good deal more.

@mikewithers299 Год назад

That's good info right there. I just picked up the same rifle and ammo. I can't wait to get to the range🤩

@JR-yn4cu Год назад

I have 308 bolt guns and I’ve been contemplating an AR-10 but just not sure if I want to go with mid-length 18” barrel or rifle length 20” barrel. I’m not intending for it to be the best long range target gun but I do want some decent accuracy of course. I just don’t know if mid-length would be smooth shooting enough, though it would have an adjustable gas block.

@tomschonborg439 Год назад

6.4 Grendel is awesome but it won't take bigger game like the .308 will. I'll hunt deer, hogs, and antelope with the 6.5 Grendel but for something like an Elk or Oryx you'll need at least a .308. Although I have seen an Oryx take a direct hit to the vitals at about 280 yards from a Win Mag .300 and turn and start walking away. That was crazy. Took two more shots to bring it down.

@moultondg 7 месяцев назад

For us reloaders, can we also point out the versatility of the projectile itself? You can use, for instance, a 168gr HPBT projectile to load a .300 Blackout, a .308 Win, a 30-06, or a 300 Win Mag. The versatility of cartridges is hard to beat with this caliber, especially when you can use the same projectile across such a varied range of uses.

@chrismaurer2075 9 месяцев назад

I live on a very limited budget and I do reload for long range shooting but where I hunt deer in Michigan a shot longer than 100 yards is rare. That being said I do like to shoot out to 1000 yards for fun and like you said the 6mm cartridges will perform better they also burn through barrels much faster than I can afford.

@64samsky Год назад

I reload, 7mm-08 is awesome! I also love my 308, 30 06, 7mm Magnum, 243, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 Grendel......

@sammcbride2464 4 месяца назад

AR-10 platform. Semi-auto, etc. There are a lot of nice rounds out there, but many of them only have bolt action gun platform options.

@chadperry4021 Год назад

That grendal was impressive, would like it featured in more videos.

@coupe50h Год назад

I just saw a video on Facebook of a video where a grendel took two hogs in one shot, they were both looking down eating corn, and bam! 123 gr sst through the ear, and sat both of those pigs down. I'm a .308 guy but am definitely getting a 6.5

@bananaballistics Год назад

If it weren't so hard to find ammo and brass reliably for the grendel, I think it is an almost perfect round.

@mikem2535 Год назад

Regarding brass for the 6.5 Grendel, 7.62 x 39 can be resized very easily to form 6.5 brass.

@raider762 Год назад

@@mikem2535 So just blast an afternoon with some M67 brass AK ammo. Pick up brass. Problem of 6.5 grendel brass solved.

@robertjackson1407 8 месяцев назад

Thank you 😊

@BulletSpoung 3 месяца назад

Plus, you can use AP, SLAP, incendiary, tracer and so on. Not so with the Grindle or 6.5.

@northslope1 4 месяца назад

Best cartridge for 90 percent of big game hunters. Militarized so it is plentiful and inexpensive. Smaller cases than the 30-06. I have bolt guns and AR10's in 308. There are better niche guns but this is a great "do it all" cartridge.

@daltonkay4142 Год назад

I feel like .308 is either slowly replacing, or has replaced, 30-06 as one of the “you need this caliber” guns. It seems like it used to be .38 special and .45 ACP in handguns, and .22lr, 30-30, and 30-06 (at least everyone I knew had one of those). Now it seems like it’s whittled down to just 9mm for handgun, with .22lr, 5.55, and .308 WIN as the rifle calibers everyone I know has. These changes aren’t bad, and to be honest I think there’s too much of a huff about caliber wars. Just pick what will kill the animals you want, you probably need less power than you think 9 times out of 10, and get something with readily available ammo for practice. For me it’s the .270 WIN, for you it may be something else. Just get one, practice, practice more, practice again, and get really good with it.

@Donovan_Walker Год назад

Now do the Grendel in FMJ, like you did with the .308

@D3PU7Y 11 месяцев назад

I've always looked at high preformance catridges as catering to a niche market for target shooters and long range hunters. Anything over 450 yards check the new hotness. Anything under 450 yards a .308 will do just fine and much cheaper plus you don't necessarily need to reload with the benefit of 8k-10k rounds of barrel life. 6.5CM can do all of this however needs a little longer barrel to match the velocity and has half or less than half the barrel life.

@jamesn7305 11 месяцев назад

For anyone starting out with precision shooting I would choose it for barrel life and for a more powerful self defense round it's perfect

@jdsolberg7613 Год назад

.308 is still available at Walmart and is definitely cheaper than 6.5mm most dealers. Mostly.

@markjennings2315 3 месяца назад

The WW2 battle rifles were all similar rounds for a reason. That generation knew their stuff! All going for 5.56 was a bad move.

@zapy9715 Год назад

Can you do a video demonstrating the ballistics of regular 30-06 compared to 30-06 Garand ammo? I bought a case of PPU Garand ammo for my rifle and I would really love to learn what I would get running that cartridge.

@geraldb4201 Год назад

it should be pretty much the same thing so long as its the same bullet weight

@AlexandreLollini Год назад

Success of 6.5 cr maybe for lower recoil and target shooting far away. When choosing a caliber/round it's like batteries : choose something that does the job, that is widely available and cheap. So for batteries I work with AA and 18650; so if I were to choose a first caliber/rifle/round that would be a semi, a luminous low power scope, and probably 308. You should have talked about the .243 Win (in my mind very close but better than 6mm cr)

@trevorkolmatycki4042 Год назад

I think a significant reason that 308 is a poor choice for shooting heavy bullets is the rifling twist rate. Browning still produces 308’s with a 1:12 twist, Tikka uses 1:11, Savage uses 1:10. Yo Browning… is it 2023 or is it 1953?… seriously… WTF? If you want a 308 that can perform with the more modern heavier higher BC bullets do NOT get one with a 1:12 twist rate! 308WIN long range performance really shines with 175-178gr bullets which requires 1:11 twist rate or faster. Yep… the 308 with heavy bullets can lob payload downrange but it is definitely NOT a flat shooter… if you want to hunt with a long MPBR and not have to range and dial every gosh darn shot… get a 270WIN. Cheers!

@specialk5070 5 месяцев назад

308 bolt action flintstone weapon i has never dies reaches out and says hello😊

@byronmitchell13 4 месяца назад

My opinion and it’s been said already is military. 223 is gonna be gone from the military but it will carry on for decades yet. The 30-06 was military for I believe nine years and it’s still popular. That said the 308 is very popular imo because it is a prefect short to midrange deer rifle. You can hunt the woods in the morning and the fields in the afternoon without switching rifles. Plenty of lower cost along with high performance ammo. I think these plus the amount of of rifle manufacturers offering this caliber is the reason it is so popular.

@recon1986 3 месяца назад

I'm watching this because I was thinking about building an AR10 18" IN .308 with a 1x-8x LPVO

@rodjbosch Год назад

There are very few people able to shoot over 500 yards consistently....myself included. Most hunters.....myself included shouldn't be shooting that far unless you are capable. 308 has served me well and don't plan on going away from it ever.

@1400IntruderVS Год назад

I don't have a .308 but I want one. Seem to be available. Versatile enough for whatever I may need it for.

@Natedoc808 11 месяцев назад

It’s hard to go wrong with the .308. It does everything very well. The bullets themselves can be loaded into several different .30 cal cartridges. I love shooting my .308s including my RPR and Gunsite scout