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Computers crash if they do not have enough voltage. Li-Ion batteries could explode during charging if they were deeply discharged. How can we prevent such events? We need so-called voltage supervisors. Cheap parts with a big effect, which usually do their job in the dark. Let’s tear them to the light and protect your ESP32 or Arduino from not booting correctly and your Raspberry from a crash. We will use KA75330, KA75450, and TPS3839 for our experiments.
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@joakinsa 4 года назад

This is exactly the problem I found some days ago with my project and this video just came from nowhere! Already ordered TPS3839 after the end of the video. Thank you!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I hope it will help!

@craiglarson2346 Год назад

One small thing I learned from exploring the voltage supervisors: a voltage supervisor is not a battery supervisor. When these devices turn off (Output goes to zero volts) the VCC/GND supply current increases substantially. The KIA7029’s I’ve been testing consume very little amperage when output is high. As a dropping supply voltage approaches the 2.9V trigger the device current use is about 16 uA. Once output goes to zero the device current rises to over 500 uA. Andreas solves this problem too with the N-channel FET idea at 12:30 in the video - it just took me a while to understand it. Hope this helps other viewers of this great channel.

@AndreasSpiess Год назад

I have to admit: I did not focus on the powr supply of these parts. So I learned something. Thanks!

@kbxbr 4 года назад

Mr. Spiess thank you so much for all your well-made incredible videos! Cheers from Brazil!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@jvgorkum 4 года назад

Yet another gem, I could use this for my supervisor (when my energy is to low)

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

:-) The question is then how he is wired: On at low level or off at low level...

@jaynottelling5892 4 года назад

Might need the gas soldering iron!?

@waltsteinchen 4 года назад

Thank you Andreas for another really very userful video! ... I'm using your videos very often as a "reference" to look up things if needed in my projects.. this is definitiv one I'll remember ;-)

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Sometimes, I use them as a reference, too ;-)

@Hackvlog 4 года назад

Thanks for informational video, answering questions "What? Why? and How?". For simple microcontrollers, like ATMegas, brown-out detection could do the job. It holds the core in reset-state, when voltage is below the threshold. There is limited amount of threshold values (ATMega328p for example has programmable thresholds of 1.8V, 2.7V or 4.3V). But even for these simpler micros, external supervisor has benefits of wider range of thresholds, start-up delays and other specs. Just thought to add this tidbit, even though this might not be as applicable to ESP and Raspberry Pi.

@juanmontes8905 4 года назад

I know I heared about that internal undervoltage protection module before

@BerndFelsche 4 года назад

BOD seems effective for loss of power but not so much for slow recovery.

@McTroyd 4 года назад

I've seen in other places that, at least on AVR microcontrollers, the brown-out detection can cause an increase in idle current draw on the order of milliamps. That could still present an over-discharge problem in a battery-operated circuit. The FET-based switching solution Andreas presents here, using one of these supervisors, could still be useful in that case.

@donpalmera 4 года назад

@@BerndFelsche >BOD seems effective for loss of power but not so much for slow recovery. That would be part of the Power-On-Reset block.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You can fool the Arduino, too, if you want ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6Pf3pY3GxBM.html )

@TheLinuxBust 4 года назад

Excellent video, thank you for sharing! I hadn't heard of voltage supervisors before, but now that I do, it feels almost too obvious that there are parts that do this specific task!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcoome!

@tonysfun 4 года назад

Very practical! This should prevent a lots of problems! Thanks again Andreas!!! Have a great week!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thanks. You too!

@piebebakker2447 4 года назад

Thank you Andreas. Exactly what I needed for my solar powered ESP32 Lora nodes, who stop when the sun light has been insufficient during winter and never come back again as result of the ‘limbo’ state.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I think this is a very good application.

@DimitrisPaterakis1 4 года назад

Thank you for the video. I am using the MAX809S (2.93V) for this purpose because it costs nothing ($1.51 50pcs). It has push-pull output (no need for pull-up resistor).

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Good choice. Thanks!

@easynow6599 4 года назад

thanks for the advice, but i have a question: according to datasheet: "The MAX803/MAX809 have an active-low RESET output", but esp32 is activated when reset pin is high..so how it can be used for esp32 activation?

@spehropefhany 4 года назад

Easy Now MAX810 has the inverted output. Needless to say you need to be very careful to pick the correct voltage range including tolerances.

@DimitrisPaterakis1 4 года назад

@@easynow6599 According to the datasheet of MAX809: "RESET output remains low while VCC is below the reset voltage threshold, and for a reset timeout period after VCC rises above reset threshold". We talk about ENABLE pin of MCU and not reset. Don't be confused.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I mentioned it in the video that the "reset" pin on the ESP32 is called "enable" pin.

@mrx.2233 3 года назад

Always enjoy watching your videos. Thanks for the good work.

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

Glad you like them!

@KDM-Reloaded 4 года назад

This is what i have been waiting for a long time. Thanks👍

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@tonybell1597 4 года назад

Useful little devices, thanks Andreas

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

True! You are welcome.

@duncanx99 4 года назад

Excellent advice and very informative. Thanks Andreas...

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@craiglarson2346 4 года назад

Andreas, @ 8:50 you give a gift. The RC circuit solves my problem and stability returns! (R=68K, C=10uF)

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Good to know it helped!

@puriap250 3 года назад

This was so absolutely informative! I had never thought about this. I always put large capacitors on my ESP boards because they are sensitive to power but it never occurred to me that the power-up could also cause bugs. Maybe I've been lucky so far. I will definitely use the capacitor+resistor on reset pin trick next time I'm designing a board. Also I had no idea these voltage supervisor chips exist. They are so useful! Unfortunately they don't seem to be available where I live but it's still good to know that they exist. Maybe I can find similar parts. Thanks a lot for this video.

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

You find many suppliers for such parts. They are widely used.

@mordinkainen1844 4 года назад

very useful, as always! Thank you Andreas.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@sarahjanegray 3 года назад

Thanks for this video, Andreas. As well as explaining how votage supervisors work and how to use them, through some of your demos and charts in this video, you have helped me cement some understanding about power issues that I had been struggling with understanding what was happening some times in my own circuits using MCUs. Now I need to go and buy some of these so I can use them in my circuits! Thank you. Stay safe.

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

You are welcome. Fortunately they are not too expensive ;-)

@sarahjanegray 3 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess Indeed. Apart from the KA75330 (which I have purchased from AliExpress), I seem to be having problems sourcing them. I need through-hole versions rather than PCB friendly versions and would like to have a selection of them. Just wonder if you could recomemmend a good place to source the KA75XXX or equivalents)? Thanks.

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

I bought a few MAX809 and a TL7702 also from AliExpress. But I never used them so far.

@sarahjanegray 3 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess Thanks Andreas. I'll take a look.

@ivandidomenico3281 4 года назад

Very very good Andreas! Good video as always 😉

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you!

@reinholdu9909 4 года назад

Andreas .. YESSS! 15min listening to RU-vids most tech savy "swiss accent" and the day is gonna be "GUAT"!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

:-) Today, I had to do a little more. I had to give a "Indoor Cycling" class with my daughter...

@recomoto 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess having quality velo time :D

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

So you must be Swiss ;-) (Velo)

@pt4ve8cw3l 4 года назад

Thank you! That's a very interesting chip. So useful! You are a great teacher.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@JoelvdLoo 4 года назад

Very interesting, thanks Adreas!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@Excalibur32 4 года назад

This sounds like exactly what I need. Thank you very much!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@chuxxsss 4 года назад

Enjoy this one Andreas, very claming. Need to do a vlog tomorrow on my old spot welder. Have a great week. And as we say in Australia, don't forget the toilet roll. Lol

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I can imagine, in a large country like yours, this detail is even more important than around here ;-)

@Really2950 4 года назад

This was super useful information. Many thanks

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@blaketurner9389 Год назад

Thank you. So much useful and practical information in all your videos 😊

@AndreasSpiess Год назад

Glad you think so!

@nirmalkumarvermabachchan632 4 года назад

A great informational video. Thanks a lot. I was searching for the same.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@javiercuellar73 4 года назад

Excelente information Andreas!! Thank you very much!!!!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@BerndFelsche 4 года назад

Thanks for introducing the device type. Perhaps a follow-up video comparing them to brown-out detection built into microcontrollers?

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Maybe in hte future. I looked at the brownout detector of the ESP32, but it was not well documented. Especially not with the Arduino IDE. It seems that the Arduino also can be fooled ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6Pf3pY3GxBM.html )

@nogrend 4 года назад

Thank you for the nice-to-know-stuff!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

:-)

@PilotPlater 4 года назад

Thanks Andreas, this is really helpful

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@frogeye22 4 года назад

Thanks, a very interesting and well presented lesson.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@marinehm 4 года назад

This was awesome. I think it explains what happened to my Raspberry Pi when the mains cut off during a bad storm.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

The Raspberry has a different problem because it has an operating system and has to be shutdown, not only switched off. At the end of the video I showed how it has to be done for a Pi.

@georgegeorgiou5229 4 года назад

Very nice video, useful and informative!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you!

@certified-forklifter 4 года назад

thank you for another awesome video!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@usmanasghar2567 4 года назад

Beautifully explained

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you!

@g3i0r 4 года назад

I had this startup problem with an ESP8266 design. Now I finally know what the problem is! 😎

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

And not difficult to solve...

@brainfornothing 4 года назад

Thanks for sharing and stay safe !

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I try!

@ristomatti 4 года назад

These seem very useful but simple to use at the same time. Off to shopping, thanks!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

:-) Not an expensive buy, fortunately...

@chaughten 4 года назад

Your videos are the best, I learn lots thx!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad you like them!

@electronic7979 4 года назад

Helpful video 👍

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you!

@devluz 4 года назад

Great video. That was exactly what my solar temperature sensor was missing!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Fortunately, not complicated to add ;-)

@RickB3n 4 года назад

Very useful! Thank you, greetings from Italy.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

:-) I hope you are still healthy!

@RickB3n 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess Thanks, fortunately I live far from the red zone. However, we must be careful.

@simfungreek 4 года назад

Great educative video.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you!

@CristiIstrate 4 года назад

Exactly what I needed!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

:-)

@langrock74 4 года назад

Another awesome video. Danke!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Bitte, gern geschehen!

@pierrefpv 4 года назад

Perfect timing! I just ran into a similar issue this weekend setting up a ESP32-cam as a doorbel. When the bel is pressed the voltage drops and resets the board, but leaves the camera in a weird state and needs a hard reset. Sometimes this also happens when flashing OTA.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I hope such a part will help!

@timmyfingaz100 Год назад

RGH (reset glitch hack) on the xbox 360s was fun. The original Jtag hack used a few resistors and small diodes, not much cost at all! Thanks for the great info, I am looking into circuit protection atm!!

@AndreasSpiess Год назад

You are welcome!

@buzhug35 4 года назад

Very usefull as usual. Thanks a lot and best regards.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@Olavotemrazaodenovo 4 года назад

Congratulations from Brazil.

@prathambumb5593 4 года назад

Really Helpful 👍 Thanks

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@bobbonham4823 4 года назад

Thanks. Once again, something I can use.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@wileecoyoti 4 года назад

This is great, thanks! I use these and a few others that are latching and/or keep the voltage divider outside of the main chip so as to be able to tune the cutoff points. I have a few components that become unstable at weird points like 3.85v, and others that need to be effectively removed from the circuit until the battery has had a chance to get back up to a decent level.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Maybe a list of your parts would be interesting for other viewers?

@wileecoyoti 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess oops! Thought I had mentioned it, but the MAX8354/835 series is my go-to for latching. Here's a little more information to make up for not mentioning that r in the first message :) The internal reference is only 1.2v giving it a very broad range. It's extremely low power consumption (I usually see 1-3uA), so perfect for battery devices. A bit more expensive and SMD, so as always depends on your application. 834 if an open drain, and 835 is push/pull. Either can use separate VCC and monitored voltage on case you're working with things outside of its native VCC range.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Sorry for missing the connection to another message. I get a lot and I am already quite old ;-)

@ep_dimi 4 года назад

thanks once again for the info!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Any time!

@adamdms 4 года назад

Great episode! I didn't know.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you!

@jamess1787 4 года назад

Love this video. Thanks Mr.SwissGuy =) [aka Andreas!]

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you!

@lmamakos 4 года назад

Thank you for bringing this topic to our attention! I knew these things were out there, but never thought about their application in my hobby projects. Now I have yet another thing to put on my long list of stuff to think about! (Also, I think your battery schematic symbol is backwards?)

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are right. A few viewers "complained" about the battery symbol. I was too lazy to look it up because I felt it was not so important (for me)

@richard_wenner 4 года назад

Comprehensive description and demonstration.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you! I am still watching your (epic) video.. My wife easily can watch a whole Netflix series during he same time ;-) It seems you had a great time.

@richard_wenner 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess HA! Yes it was a good 21st birthday for her. I hated the ice hotel but the Northern Lights made up for everything.

@adityapandya8098 2 года назад

This video is so amazing for me keep it up sir and keep make us knowledgeable. Thanks

@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад

Glad you liked it! Thank you.

@fullpower8382 2 года назад

Oh man wie konnte mir der coole Kanal so lange Zeit verborgen bleiben?!?! Saubere Arbeit! Gleich abonniert weil geiler shit!!

@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад

Willkommen and Bord! Du hast ja noch etwas aufzuholen wenn du willst ;-)

@fullpower8382 2 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess Hi Andreas, vielen Dank, ich bin schon fleissig dabei deine Videos zu schauen, da werde ich definitiv eine Weile beschaftigt sein, aber der Wille ist ungebrochen! ;-) Wäre schön Leute aus der gleichen Gegend zu treffen die ebefalls an dem Thema interessiert sind. Hast du da vielleicht ne Idee?

@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад

@@fullpower8382 Es gibt in verschiedenen Städten Gruppen rund um TTN.. Die sollten auf der TTN Homepage gelistet sein.

@webslinger2011 4 года назад

Very informative. I knew my esp32cam resets due to low power on my arduino toy mobot but didn't know how to prevent it. Had to power it separately. Thanks for sharing this.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

It is always better to use a stable power supply...

@sausagehider 4 года назад

Very useful to know. I did not know these things existed. I had the problem with powering ESP8266 and solar power. While I'm away at work, if the voltage drops the ESP locks up and sometimes I have to wait for over a month before I can get to it just to press the reset button. Thanks, another great video.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I think such a part could solve your problem.

@bobpaydar 4 года назад

you are wonderful, thanks

@sevenacregreen 4 года назад

This solution is good for the esp as it can reset everything even if you use third party code like tasmota. I have found that bod on chip can be troublesome in some applications and is different for each cpu this gives the same solution for all and you can debug it with a scope. One point on the input resistor divider for the comparator in the devices. The voltage reference will need some headroom to operate so needs to be below the threshold voltage. A good explanation of their operation, thanks Andreas.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I also did not find out how to use the BOD signal in code. And BOD only works if the MPU still works, so above 2.3 volts.

@Firejaps 4 года назад

Thanks, dear Andreas 🇧🇷

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are welcome!

@Kevin192291 4 года назад

Thank you so much, you are the man.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

:-)

@TheEmbeddedHobbyist 4 года назад

This is OK for simple embedded uP, but if there is any storage requirements in the system then it does not fully remove the problem. The Raspberry PI would still crash and not recover if you just hit the reset, if it's writing to the memory card at that point game over. re-install of memory card might be required. So if there is a memory storage of important information required we need to add a little bit extra. Capacitors to hold up the supply and a diode to stop the falling incoming power discharging the caps. the voltage detector instead of hitting the reset should be connected to a non-maskable interrupt, So the controller has time to do a bit of house keeping, save data to non-volatile memory, etc, and go into a safe state ready for power down. Quite a few uP have the reset driven from the clock oscillator, the clock has to run for a number of cycles before the reset is released, making sure that there is a stable clock running before your code is let lose. When you have to design of power glitch's there are other issues involved, Hot or COLD starts. do you want to load defaults in to system (cold start) or do you want to reload the settings last set while running (HOT start), so the need to save settings as power is lost, because if power is only removed for 100ms or so , you don't want the usre to have reset all the controls back to where they had set them. Still a great video if you read all the way down to here. :)

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Concerning the protection of the RPI: I showed how it can be done at the end of the video (GPIO3, Super Caps)

@albygnigni 4 года назад

thanks andreas for this video! very informative as always! As many other viewers have suggested, most modern MCUs, even smallest ones (e.g. ATTiny), have brownout detection capabilities. In another way, also the raspberry pi has undervoltage detection capabilities (the "yellow lightning bolt") and you can write a script that powers it off. As for new designed boards, I suggest to use single PMICs that have all those function built-in. Otherwise, selecting a LDO or a Battery IC with a V_OK pin could be another solution.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

What PMIC would you use for a 3.3 volts project? And what LDO? This couls be interesting for other viewers, too.

@albygnigni 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess From Texas Instruments: - TPS3702 Supervisor IC has capability for UV and OV monitoring - TPS778 LDO has a power-good output - As for integrated solutions, the BQ25570 you showed in video #278 has all those capabilities but is not so cheap By the way, TI, Analog, ST and many more companies are making these kinds of ICs, but they are using really small and often BGA packages, so it is difficult for a maker to use them in prototyping. Those ICs are also application-specific and not general purpose, so I suggest to take a look at the catalogs.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thanks for the part numbers. The ones I saw were also for smaller voltages...

@BorisDessimond 4 года назад

@@albygnigni Unfortunately not found on aliexpress for 2-3$ 10-20pcs like other parts :( Thanks for the tips !

@albygnigni 4 года назад

@@BorisDessimond You can try to look at LCSC, I have found the TPS3705-33 that is similar to the TPS3702 and it is 0.45€/piece , while the LDO can be found in the adj version (TPS77801D) for 3.82€/piece

@uvatham 4 года назад

Useful component

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

:-)

@saugatsigdel7381 4 года назад

Hello sir, I love to learn from your channel and I haven't missed a single video from you. You have addressed the really critical issue for professional product development. As a beginner, I want to know all the essential kinds of stuff like this (the critical one that most of the hobbyist miss). Please suggest me some books or any resources that teach me these kinds of stuff.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

There are not a lot of books for this modern stuff. I showed my only books I have in other videos.

@saugatsigdel7381 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess it would be a great help for me if you can please post the link for the video describing books or post the name of the book in comment.. Sir..

@minepro1206 4 года назад

Wow, I couldn't have imagined that a capacitor in Vcc was the culprit to one of my projects. 👍

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

:-)

@ManishMoorjmalani 2 года назад

thank you so much

@AndreasSpiess 2 года назад

You are welcome!

@shakerileiwat4341 4 года назад

Amazing ♥♥♥

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you!

@si98justme1 4 года назад

I went into this video thinking he was referring to Voltage Regulators, but due to a language/interpretation issue was calling them Supervisors, and that I wasn't going to learn much if anything... Whoops my bad, and I learned two things to add insult to my hubris: I'm not as smart as I thought I was, and learned about a part, that even as a professional (many years ago), I didn't know about.

@abhijitborah 4 года назад

This Swiss' videos are always perfectly researched. And satisfying to learn from.

@whitefields5595 4 года назад

@@abhijitborah He's Swiss .....

@abhijitborah 4 года назад

@@whitefields5595 Seeking a thousand pardons. My bad. Thanks, edited it out.

@meteor8076 4 года назад

very interesting

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

:-)

@Graham_Wideman 4 года назад

Andreas: Nice video on a useful and perhaps lesser-known part. A minor point -- in your schematics the battery symbol is upside down. The long bar represents positive in the standard symbol.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are right.

@ugetridofit 4 года назад

Just as a FYI. The ESP32 has a setting in menuconfig where you can select its reset detect level. Arduino people don't know this because Arduino does not allow access to the many, many options in the ESP32 menconfig system.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I tried it in the Arduino IDE, but I was not able to chage the brounout level. And it works only, if theMCU runs, as I showed in the video :-(

@ashishsunny1916 3 года назад

Thanks a lot

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

You are welcome!

@PhG1961 4 года назад

Excellent Sunday morning entertainment.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Thank you!

@ralfhesterberg3346 4 года назад

For the Esp32 you need to configure your brownout detection voltage: docs.espressif.com/projects/esp-idf/en/latest/api-reference/kconfig.html#config-esp32-brownout-detox then you not need any external voltage supervisors.

@davefiddes 4 года назад

The brownout detector is useful but doesn't cover all possible failure scenarios as Andreas shows in the video. This is why Espressif have the additional recommendation to include an external supervisor.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

@Ralf: I tried to change the BOD threashold voltage as well as the alarm in Arduino IDE. I only was capable to switch BOD off, but not more :-( I would be glad if you have more info. And BOD only worked if the CPU still worked. So no protection against "gibbersh" and Flash error.

@browaruspierogus2182 4 года назад

Exactly. For such low currents and voltages no need for some supervisor complicating the project. Even decent Zener diode will do here Besides you can power your esp with small power bank that has all the protections you need

@NikolaiVarankine 2 года назад

@@browaruspierogus2182 I tend to think ESP and others are targeted to button cell power primarily as they all fight for the less consumed power as possible.

@marcrives279 4 года назад

You should definitely make a part 2, digging further on Power on Reset (POR) and Brown Out Detection (BOD). The whole point of a MCU is to have all those components integrated *and* to make use of them. Using an external supervisor is only for very specific cases.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I looked into the brownout detector of the ESP32. It works if you reduce the voltage from 3.3 volts. But I did not find a way to reset the MCU down after this message. The brownout message did not shut the CPU down. And it is not very well documented...

@user6193 4 года назад

Very helpful video for me as it help me to get the idea to solve the problem in flight controller for a mini quad powered with 1s 3.7volt lipo where it got discharged below 3volt if I continue to fly the quad for some more time after low battery indication (a small camera connected with battery will keep on consume current even after landing the drone)... by using this small component i can protect my lipo by cutting the supply if Vbat < 3volt. Thanks for this informative video as always :)

@zyroxiot9417 Год назад

thanks by the infos.

@AndreasSpiess Год назад

You are welcome!

@mvadu 4 года назад

RapsberryPi uses an internal power management chip (PMIC, MxL7704 in Pi 3&4) has some of these power management built in. BMC Chip actually works at ~1V range, and it does boot up and it has a section during bootup where it detects if the voltage is enough to continue boot process. During the operation is you draw too much power, and supply voltage dipped below 4.63V is tags is and you can examine it using vcgencmd get_throttled command.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I think I mentioned it. But still you need to shut it properly down

@jamest.5001 4 года назад

Interesting!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

:-)

@ronaldhofman1726 3 года назад

i was glad to watch your video, i was experimenting with KA75330 ordered on ali but i got a TO-92 thyristor instead of the real ka75330 i followed your link and ordered new one and those where the right parts. ik took me some time to figure out what was wrong, it did not act as a comparator and let my Peak DCA-75 decide what it is , and the answer was thyristor and a quick test with multimeter on ohm range and connecting anode to gate proved it , yesterday i received the correct parts, tested it, i use a 180 ohm pull up and on 3.17 volt the output drops to 0 volt , and on 3.22 volt it returns to normal high level, so i was glad to have received the correct parts, i emailed the supplier on ali that his parts are wrong , did not get a answer from him yet. one thing that suprises me, if you look at the datasheet of a KA75330 the - input is the voltage reference, So if V-in drops below the voltage reference the output transistor is being shut- off so the output should rise to VCC but instead is is being dropped to 0 volt ,so the output transistor is on and the collector voltage drops to 0 volts, is this a bug in the datasheet?, with this behaviour it can be connected to a ESP8266 and will be halted if the voltage drops below 3.17 volts and release at 3.22 volts so that's gooed but it contradicts the datasheet, the - input wil be higher so the op-amp output goed to zero.

@AndreasSpiess 3 года назад

I think you want this behavior because it is needed. (Think I showed it in the video). Sometimes datasheets only show a simplified version.

@ronaldhofman1726 3 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess Yes indeed this is the desired behaviour it can be directly connected to reset pin.

@pulesjet 4 года назад

I have a number of LiIon battery projects these would be handy for. Preventing Over charge and or Over Discharge situations. Been using the LM393 and resistor divider. This would be much easier I think. 3.3v version is just about ideal for the task on LiIon cells and with a added resistor would work for the LeFePo4 type. Just ordered 10 to mess with. Thank You. China is having some rather serious issues with the virus thing . Orders are taking quite a bit longer then the normal long times in the past. Guessing this one will take two months to show up.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Overvoltage protection is often built-in into the charging chips.

@wilyfreddie 4 года назад

Thank you very much for this video! Will immediately add this to our solar power system. Can I use any resistor for the KA75330 circuit?

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

More or less. I uses 22k

@kwazar6725 4 года назад

You need a batt ups with pi as they corrupt fat sdcards easily. This is a cool/geil way to monitor voltages and shutdown and on safely. Thanks andreas!👍

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

This is particularly true if you add a few super caps or a small battery as shown at the end of the video.

@mrmarkom 4 года назад

Hi Andreas, Njce video. I guess this is handling levels below what can be done with Brown out detection, which is present in many MCUs. I did some work with ATmega and configured BOD to be able to be stable on quite a low voltages.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

The ESP32 also has a BOD. Biut it only worked if hte processor still worked. So no protection if you come from below the threshold. And it seems yo ucan fool the Atmega 328, too (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6Pf3pY3GxBM.html )

@ammarsyaf3035 4 года назад

this video has reveal the mystery I faced when working with power hungry gsm module

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Then maybe a large capacitor is a better idea to prevent such situations ;-)

@PanosKontogiannis 4 года назад

Thanks, Great video. What about the TL7702 series. I use it on sensitive applications but never tested if they actually perform. I took the word of Texas instruments for granted

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

They seem to be a little more sophisicated chips. But with a similar purpose.

@jawolllinger 4 года назад

Hi Andreas, thanks for the awesome video. As I'm still quite new to making my individual electronics projects so your videos help me quite a lot. I have a question regarding the supercapacitors for using with the KA75450 as a safe shutdown system for the raspberry Pi: In your video #133 you suggested 15-20 F supercaps to have enough time for the Pi to safely shut down. That video was before the Pi4 and I was wondering whether the 15-20F recommendation still applies with the Pi4's power consumption? Thanks in advance.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You have to try. I do not know. I assume the Pi for will also shutdown faster.

@karama300video 4 года назад

The last time I came this early I didn't know what a MCU is! xD

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I hope you know it by now ;-) Otherwise I suggest to subscribe to this channel...

@karama300video 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess I know but I did subscribe long ago. Keep up the good work!

@chrihipp 4 года назад

useful!

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Glad you think so!

@fingerprint8479 4 года назад

Interesting and useful. It is a perfect addition to my battery powered project. One question: on 12:30 minutes on your video you show a diagram of a circuit to shut down not only the ESP32 but also all peripherals when the battery is under 3.3v but show no values for the resistors. How can I calculate the resistors for the circuit? Thanks again.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You do not need to do any calculations. Just pick two (If I remember I used 22k). But they do not matter too much.

@ulrichfrei3893 4 года назад

Hallo Herr Spiess. Danke für viele sehr interessante Videos, die mir schon oft bei der Lösung von Problemen geholfen haben. Eine kleine Anmerkung zu diesem Video: Die Batteriesymbole sind vermutlich falsch gepolt. ( Der längere Strich ist beim Batteriesymbol der Pluspol. )

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

Ja, unterdessen weiss ich es. Obwohl es für mich logischer ist, den Minuspol grösser zu zeichnen...

@ulrichfrei3893 4 года назад

Eselsbrücke für meine Schülerinnen und Schüler: Aus dem langen Strich könnte man noch ein plus machen :-)

@DougHanchard 4 года назад

Thanks Andreas! As is usual, another excellent video. When I read about the low voltage hack story in December of 2019, I was stunned it affected both AMD and Intel processors. With a AT328 microcontroller, I'm not sure how much damage a hacker could exploit. But a Raspberry Pi, that's something else. Pi's are used in so many IoT devices including Home Security, I bet there will be more than a few concerned vendors that will have redesign their motherboard architectures and core software. In case anyone is wondering if there's a good article on the subject, here is the one I read. www.wired.com/story/plundervolt-intel-chips-sgx-hack/

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

I left a link in some comments about a glitch attack on a Atmega 328...

@DougHanchard 4 года назад

@@AndreasSpiess Well... it's a whole new ballgame now. Lots of retrofits and booming sale of new microcontrollers!

@nigeljohnson9820 4 года назад

The first voltage supervisor I used was the TL7705, this had a problem that it released the reset when its own supply voltage is low. When my company switched from the NMOS to the CMOS 8085, the processor continued to operate below the supply voltage at which the reset circuit stopped working. The result was that the processor would restart (leave reset) during the time it was being switched off. It is worth checking that the reset signal is maintained until the processor is safely off. Ideally the reset signal should be maintained all the way down to zero supply volts, One solution to this problem is make the reset a passive resistor pull down signal and "NOT in reset" active high.

@AndreasSpiess 4 года назад

You are right. I showed that the three switch on again at around 0.7 volts. Which should be ok for a 3.3 volt MCU.

@el_pedriyo Год назад

Hello, I am testing the ka75330 and it seems it switches on at 3.29V and off at 3.26V, I see the off voltage is to close to the PSU 3.3V specs. Wouldn't it be better a lower voltage like 3.1 or 2.9 to reset the esp32?

@AndreasSpiess Год назад

The supervisors have to make sure that the CPU does not start until the voltage is high enough for it. So everything above 2.8volts should be perfect.