32nd Century Federation Fleet - Detailed Look (Disco S3) 

9:25 it's the USS Milton It's dedication plaque says: "I believe you have my stapler"

They really don't do much for me. Hate all the floating detached crap on them!

I think the ships fit the present feel of the federation. It's like the bones are showing skeletons of ships further suggesting the federation is on life support.

This looks like a first concept pass for ships that are going to be sent to the design team to be fleshed out and made whole. If you describe these ships as concepts then they actually sound kind of cool but the final execution is terrible.

Seems they just raided their offices and scanned in whatever they could find and said, 'this is a ship now'.

These could be ships from different eras. With starfleet in hiding and most of the ships being used to power the cloak, it wouldn't surprise me if there hasn't been a new ship in a while and these are what's left. Not all from 32c per se but just those that remain in the 32c.

You know something? Realizing that by seeing this from the new Eaglemoss book? Realizing how much these ships would be cooler with a few little add ons. The negative space on a lot of these ships, especially the large ring ship, would be cooler with a scaled energy bubble of some kind in them-sort of like the Tellurian ship from TNG. Also would look sleeper if these nacelles were connected by pylons that were either holographic or some form of shaped, shielded energy. Doing things like that would actually show the future progression a tad more.

This fleet composition makes me think it was the mothballed ships that Starfleet has access to. It would explain the physical and graphical differences.

I really think they get the idea of floating things mean more advanced in Trek thx to the iconians from STO. They're all about random floating things everywhere

I always assumed the vast majority of 32nd Starfleet was made up previously moth balled starships "modernised" by programmable matter just like the Discovery was. The manufacture of new starships probably cost a lot more engery than retrofitting. One explanation for the inconsistent design language is that ships are not of the same era or heck weren't originally starfleet starships. Also not all ships may be currently used as they were originally intended. The ring ships, for example, could have been orbital habitats designed to make the most of planetary views. Now they are mobile habitats for the federation's centre of government.

The Eisenberg is the only one that looks actually original but also kinda trekkie, if they would have used other nacelles

This works in a "mishmash of whatever survived The Burn" sort of way

2:53 Millennium Falcon but with floaty nacelles 3:50 Broken pizza wheel 5:52 Millennium Falcon but hollow 9:25 Hole punch Plus Owo’s “New Constitution” which looks more like the NX-01

I think the detached nacelles would make more sense if they detach when they go to warp and then merge with the ship when they get out of warp

The "Nog" looks like a phaser with a spike. And I didn't realise that it had Crossfield Class nacelles, until I saw this image. It's a rather poor tribute, unfortunately.

The Rainforest ship looks pretty interesting to me, I wonder if it could be some kind of Space Station or Colony that could be moved to where its needed?

For the ring ship I'm seeing Battlestar Galactica aesthetic, with the ribbed texture. And the Nog looks like the Axiom from Wall-E

From what i can guess, because of multiple advance empires and factions has joined the federation to the point where captains/high ranking officers or powerful species let's say the Klingons or Ferengi that has more influence and freedom on designing their own ship to represent their own while still retain it's federation-ish design, like the khitomer battlecruiser from STO tho having giant holes at the center of the ship seem odd, i get that they need windows but all they can look at is other windows like 4:18

It is a bit of a disappointing fleet. I will give the artists/production staff that created them all the benefit of the doubt in terms of how much time they had to create them. The "classic" trek fleet aesthetic had the benefit of starting slow with only cinema built designs like the Enterprise, Reliant, & Excelsior to establish the baseline. This fleet was done all in one shot with added pressure of the 1000 year jump in technology and culture. Not an enviable task. Still, I can't help but think what a different team might have come up with. Hire EC Henry, Dan Uyeno (madkoifish), Mark Rademaker and see what they could throw together in the same amount of time.

These are simply gross. I mean they are cool genuinely, but gross in terms of Star Trek. It's like someone spent just 1 day putting all these together and the bosses said "yeah just do that I cant be arsed flushing the idea out". There was no actual thought process involved, just these cool little drawings for any old sci-fi.

by designing the fleet all at once this thing of "its just the same tech pressed in different shapes" is super dominant here

Wage slave: Hey boss how you like these sketches? Kurtzman: it's beautiful bubbie, send it straight to modeling

Ships arer certainly weird. My favorites however - Angelou: Floating jungle - Constitution - Intrepid I'm not huge fan, namely they all look like Zaha hadid architecture, my guess construction tech has improved with programmable matter

I love most of them! I feel like the lack of concistent details, phasers and stuff could be adressed later when they need to it for the plot. it could be nice if at one point they had someone of the old school startrek design to do a pass normalizing the necessary funcionnal details on all ships :-)

They went back to Star Trek: Enterprise and Daniels' technology. The episode Future Tense explains why regarding no need for windows and the space inside is extremely vast, but outside looks smaller. Also esthetics are not needed more towards the need of the mission for each ship. The one ship called Thant is similar to a Xindi ship. They did their homework and went 360 degrees with the past to the future of Starfleet and Federation.

Cam’t we just treat this 32nd century fleet as the fever dream it is. Please?!?

That ring ship (bottem left) lools like the keycap puller you get with corsair keyboards and the forest ship looks like a hemorroids cushion. There's also a guitar pick a phaser and a pizza cutter. Also the top right ship looks like a leaf hopper bug.

I used to love seeing new Starfleet Starships from shows and movies, sadly that time is now gone...

Theory, lack of windows and the amount of negative space is because these ships are high automized and so much of the ship is empty but need the space and size for battle or other reasons

It's good to see them all.

These ships were primarily designed to fill space at starfleet headquarters, they're the modern equivalent of kitbashes were they glued random model kits together to create background ships for TNG and DS9. Looking at them in detail doesn't work, of course they lack detail and not a lot of thought was put into them just like they didn't put a lot of thought into the Yeager when they glued a voyager saucer to a maquis raider.

The negative space on the hoop one is so they can move over Anomoly and scan in 360

I really like the Armstrong, and the Janeway is alright, but I'm not crazy about the rest. They feel TOO different from established designs, and some of them have pieces that are needlessly stretched out to comical proportions.

At least it looks more interesting than the Copy-Paste Fleet from Picard...

I like the Neo Constitution one. Its the only one that looks like a Trek ship, it has clean overall lines. Its silly detatched bit is on the neck not the nacelles, which helps it hang together better visually (especially as you only see it from some angles). The texture and surface detail is just as last minute lazy as the others, but with a more complicated shape to the saucer it actually feels sleek and advanced rather than plain. Finally the nacelles are actually visually interesting and a unique design that actually looks like some advanced version of the tech - white glow instead of blue, and the open design makes it seem like this is some revolutionary minimalist thing, but the cowling for it gives it that familiar shape so we know what it is. It looks like an advanced starfleet ship. It also confuses me a bit because it clearly had more effort put into the *design* than any of the others, and the little hints we saw of it make me feel like maybe it was meant to be the new face of starfleet but they didn't finish the model properly and instead kept it hidden in the background? Even when they showed off the fleet proper they showed (basic wireframes of) every ship BUT that one. We never got aproper look at the actual shape of the thing until many months later. (Where it had a truly cheap looking texture)

And the green one looks like it's transporting an entire world, Combo landscape

I've seen art done by high school students that was more compelling.

How long until Eaglemoss just pulls out the old FASA books and does a line of "Retro Trek" ships.

The dorsal black section of the Nog looks like a biosphere dome. I get the impression that a lot of these ships are Ent-J size or bigger.

They look like disassembled models waiting to be pieced together and painted. It suffers from the same problems I had with the Enterprise J model, which is that Trek artists seem to think that more futuristic = slim, bendy shapes.

7:45 Sharlin class Minbari warcruiser

I read/heard somewhere that the negative space in the ring ship (and presumably others) is a space to trap things with a tractor field and the inside of the ring is a sensor web in order to study things too dangerous to bring on board to study.

Despite all the times when the rules may have been broken, Rodenberry had rules which gave cohesion to the individual designs. I wonder what their rules for design when they came up with these. Of course centuries could be a simple enough reason, but I need more.

They all look like cooking utensils I have in my kitchen...and maybe a leaf blower...and a really large frisbee.

the reason i feel the newell’s are disconnected is because connected nacelles actually cause disturbances in the warp field that could not be helped when they needed to be physically connected. but now the warp field is uninterrupted making the warp field dynamics extremely efficient. to me the separated nacelles make perfect sense, however a separated secondary and primary hull doesn’t as much.

Thant’s proportions are clearly inspired by the Excelsior class (whether in canon or merely in the designer’s conscious or subconscious mind), but they cut a hideous keyhole through the saucer, dispensed with the engineering hull, and then found they needed to bulk up the spindly nacelles’ fore section to (partially) compensate visually for its absence. What a hideous mess, but I also kind of don’t actively loathe it: it’s the most recognisably inspired-by-Trek visually. A point about the 32nd Century: at this point they’ve been warp-capable and spacefaring for about as long as we’ve had the Gothic arch. That’s what the against-physics-as-currently-understood-and-thus-theoretically-mindblowing-and-practically-amazing warp drive is to them. When they refitted Discovery it must’ve been like 21st Century electricians going in to wire up a medieval priory.

That ring ship reminds me of the keycap puller that came with my gaming mechanical keyboard to remove the keys.

I still can’t get my head around the “detached nacelle“ thing!

People wonder about "Detached Nacelles" It's a safety precaution. They're quick to discard if something like the Burn occurs again.

Regarding the negative space, maybe it's supposed to be filled with mission-specific content? Maybe the ring ship is the drive section for the forest disk? I hate the separated nacelles. It reminds me of cartoons where the eyebrows float above the head.

I maintain that we don't see weapon arrays because they only exist on demand, being generated either holographically or via on-the-fly replicators and/or programmable matter. Depending on the individual ship's age and mission profile, certain other elements might also be on-demand. For example, a smaller ship might actually contain a larger crew existing virtually inside an advancement off of holodeck and transporter pattern buffer technology, beaming into real space/time at will or when needed.

As much as I don't like the detached floating things on these new ships. Ironically, the worst ones for me are those that doesn't have them, Like that rainforest ring ship and that camcorder-shaped ship both on the left.

The ring-frisbee style ship looks like the Ori ships from the "Stargate" series.

The Nog / Eisenberg looks like some kind of phaserpistol. But i like it the most of them. The black one looks like a space truck to me.

Everyone, please welcome the USS GoPro NCC-325013. She's a Swingline Class, the cutting edge of Starfleet's focus on bureaucracy and collating going forward now that the Burn has been diagnosed and corrected.

that ring ship, looks like a rip of of the Ori sips from stargate sg1

It would be cool if the garden ship docks on to the frisbee ship.

Problem with floating nacelles, when you lose a nacelle in battle from then on you'll always need to clarify whether it's off-line or literally tumbling away. Or how do you move from primary to secondary hulls and nacelles when they're not physically traversable... So in 32nd century tech they can guarantee transporter gates will always be powered or the nacelles will have their own dedicated escape pods (because we know they have habitable space for manual operation, service and repair. There-fore they need access to the hull for evacuations). I can get behind floating nacelles when they're fixed to the hull in normal space but transition to floating for a cool new warp drive visual, that's novel.

Lower left, Ori want their ship back!

If the 32nd century tech was as advanced as you'd expect you could argue that the 'missing' pieces exist in the 26th dimension or something weird like that, making the ship much larger.

The Nog is a giant Pod Racer

That's not a forest in a ship. That's the 32nd Century version of Jurassic Park. It's on a ship so whenever the dinos get loose, it's easier to contain. ;)

Well, I must say that I haven't been following ship development too closely, but again these are meant to be 32nd cet so... So for a a starter, I think you both are right. There are some very prominent inconsistencies with the design here between the Ships. Some actually give a feeling of a distant evolution (Saturn Class NCC-325051) in the front, which at least seem to have "evolved" over time from the classic saucer-nacelle-design. Others on the other hand, have more the feeling of being from other species rather then Federation. Or at least serve different functions as in not being actually full size Star ships, but significantly smaller vessels... While others seem to have been forcibly "evolved" from known ship designs, like the Voyager-J, in this sketch still called "Intrepid Class", which seems weird. Just like the "Constituon/Kirk Class" NCC-317856 in the image. I think the first is/was also referred to as "Janeway Class". Not necessarily bad designs, but they somehow lack their own character... Though that may ofc. be an intentional design statement, like the overall streamlined "lack of detail" impression. Though at times the actual execution seems to be rushed without thought... The whole deign direction somehow reminds me a little of the U.S.S. Dauntless (VOY) As for size comparison, I doubt they are equal. Especially the Constitution class and Saturn class seem to be depicted way smaller here... Especially if you consider windows sizes or register markings, which in this case isn't quiet so easy to see, but definitely on other renders.

What can you guys get, if you start combining things? Like that greenhouse saucer dome into the toilet/wc seat section. The most upper right one could be the engineering's hull, the one with the long nacells, take those, swap left & right and mount them on the sides. The two ships above the wc seat, left one is turned around and slotted onto the right one it's back, then onto that engineering's hull its'most lowest extension L's. The parts between the greenhouse saucer dome and the engineering's hull, can become additional parts. No really, you should be able to combine almost everything into one ship design. The phaser like ship could thus be, after nacell removal, be the nose section or else be fused into the engineering's hull, in the later, it's a nacell swap for those long ones. That right lowest ship..., remove the nacells and flip it upside down and you have the saucer underside. The third ship in the upper row, could become the bridge section, with it's nacells upside down and rotated 180 degrees in order to form a mount on the fused engineering's hull. Yeah, you can do some fun things with this, could make a few nice ships, with these parts, if so wanted.

Years to two decades ago, I've drawn ship designs similar to the upper right ship.

I’ve heard rumors that these were not designed in house. Rather they were bought wholesale and pre-rendered from a design group that mostly sells assets for video games. Which feels about right for these things. They feel like someone’s generic Mass Effect designs.

The Detached Nacelles look absolute like trash, looks like someone couldn't be bothered to finish the Ship Design.

I saw all these ships in the show and am glad to see them in better detail, cannot wait for the 2nd edition of the book which includes these. The Courage-class is now in STO and funnily enough it flies in both directions, depending on what your using it for.

The red stripes are actually deflector strips since these ships don't have actual deflector dishes

shipyard engineers: "hey ferb i think i know what were going to do today"

just remember the concept of programmable matter when you make concerned-s about weapons as they could be independently formed as needed

Cockings put it best when he said the designs look "sterile." There's a certain amount of life missing. (but Like the stapler cruiser)

The frisbee looking one looks like a poor man's Ori battlecruiser.

this could work if they world build season 3 Disco. If we knew that the federation, before the burn had spread across all four quadrants and that each quadrant had Federation headquarters, and each headquarters commission they own fleet of ships that would explain the difference in ship design.

That stapler looks like it was made by a 6 year old who just found Blender and started playing around with extruding and the subsurf modifier.

I think these should be shiny, not covered in dirty panels that looks welded together.

The right middle one that kinda looks like the NX-01 is my favorite. They should've kept with the same aesthetics for all the other ships.

The Nog minus the nacelles would be epic IMO

The detached floating sections would be good for compartmentalization. If there is an infestation, explosion or something, it cannot spread to the other hulls (not easily at least).

I will be looking on the details of each of these ships in the future from you both... Also would you do a timeline of all ships named Enterprise?

OK. The rainforest ship looks like it would fit into the ring ship in the bottom left, and the Nog flip it upside down or the other sunfish looking one could be another part that would attach to the under side of the ring ship and rainforest ship. In basic, what if these ship are like one massive separation of a ship? The pizza cutter one would go on top of the rainforest dome, and it's long nacelles. This wouldn't be far out of something Starfleet would have done.

The one above the Stapler class. Looks like a Hydroplane with no front prop for crying out loud 😂

They truly need a Borg faction with Borg ships

A stapler, an Ori ship and the millennium falcon walk into a bar.

I actually like most of these, outside the stappler. Or at least, the basic shapes of them. I think if they got more time and attention they could end up looking really nice, imo. I look at (most) of these and they still say trek to me at a casual glance, super advanced trek, but yes, that's the point.

There are only two designs that I like. The Kirk/Constitution class and the Ori looking ship.

9:26 "that one has more physical details for some reason" you know what that means? its someone elses finished stock model they bought...

Not sure why DISCO is trying to make me cry.. but between the Starship designs.. the Amusement Park Turbolifts..UGH I have to go watch some Lower Decks to make me feel better.

Not offering an opinion on the overall design, but given the rest, the small one with the 4 nacelles gives me escort/warship vibes... like simplified Defiant geometry with a Prometheus nacelle configuration.

5:50 - Hallowed are the Ori! 🤣

How one can not become a NuTrek hater if you see what they're doing with the IP? 😭😭😭😭

I still think the Janeway class looks like someone tried to draw Voyager in MSPaint.

With the detached things and negative space, maybe they should have thought more about the why. How about making the fleet modular, where they could obviously easily swap out nacelles, have saucers that float inside the ring ship or float with the traditional secondary hull and nacelles. The ring ship could be functional but if it needed more of something, weapons or living space? Then they can float something in the middle.

Look at it this way: these are the ships that survived the burn, based on non-Terran aesthetics. Also, with the introduction of the Discovery, I'm sure that future ships will have a retro look.

Still another 599,000 years before Starfleet catches up with the Arretans and is able to build Constitution-sized vessels with engines the size of walnuts, I guess… 😉

Detached parts are cool if it's not tied to the main ship like it was just connected with an invisible struts. It's basically ships in formation permanently.

Bottom left looks like some sort of giant space beer bottle opener.

Never understood negative space on a ship. You should have an episode with your futuristic designs. I’ll throw in a couple myself.

imagine that really long flat one with the nacelles really close together and the disc. imagine that the nacelles are in a neutral position but when it goes to warp the nacelles rise and separate to be at the optimum position for the warp factor? sometimes reconfiguring

STO has stats and playable craft from this. Maybe a comparison analysis to possibly suggest what some of the more nondescript vessels could be capable of. Although, perhaps this has been included in other media. I've yet to see the season, so I'm trying to avoid spoilers.