In this video I'll show some of the differences between a 33" and 35" BF Goodrich A/T tire on my Jeep Wrangler JKU. 33" tire: t.ly/GBPe 35" tire: t.ly/1SPj AEV Procal: t.ly/SSa5
Thanks for the comparison video. It's a personal choice and I think it's perfectly fine to go with larger tires. Having said that, I keep hearing terms like "it's only one inch" or "it's only six pounds heavier per tire" or "the brakes work fine". The thing that a lot of people don't fully appreciate is that when it comes to ROTATING MASS those little things make a big difference in performance, economy and longevity of everything from engine and transmission to all the little bushings and suspension. If someone wants larger tires for looks or performance then that's fine but there is a trade-off. The gearing will be higher which means slower off the line and less low speed gearing off road as well as less braking power and more vehicle wear and less range off road and more fuel stops. The increased weight and rolling resistance of taller and wider tires means less fuel efficiency. If people want to maximize the performance of the vehicle in those areas then choosing the smallest tire that gets the job done is the best choice. That will vary from person to person depending on their individual driving and trails.For the life of the vehicle those extra tire costs, fuel costs, additional modifications in tire carriers etc as will as increased wear and tear will add up to thousands of dollars extra. Spread out over 10 years that may or may not be a big deal for someone but my point is it does add up.
Good video, thanks for making it, you answered my thoughts about a lot of things and I never thought about that programer because I came from an older jeep.👍
I have an 18 JL Rubicon unlimited, are you still happy with your tires? Right now I have the BFG TKO3 and I hate them.. they perform fine, but are incredibly loud. Just curious if what you're running are quiet or obnoxious? Lol thanks for any info in advance
Friend with a 2018 JK 3.6L automatic and 3.73 gearing just went to 35"s. The thing is constantly shifting going up even the smallest of hills. Off road it's only going to be worse. They're definitely going to re-gear to 4.56
Get ready to replace your tie rod and drag link, I went for 35’s 2 months ago and my tie rod ends and drag link ends gave up last week 😂 I upgraded it to a set of HD and now feels amazing👌🏻
Get a Metalcloak kit, $200 for a new Track bar ($400, if you do front & rear), $875 for a Tie Rod & Drag link kit, that includes a RockSport steering damper. If you also do control arms, another $700 and that point just go with the game changer kit. Then your ball joints will fail, get some Apex HDs for $275. Maybe add some $$ for a Big Brake kit, it’s never ending, never a “one & done” when we get new parts. Hemi upgrade anyone ;) Could be worse, could me a 2007-2011 with the anemic 3.8
Hey Steve Thanks for the video! You helped me make my decision!! BTW, Did you have to get a rear spare tire relocation bracket to accommodate 35s bigger tires?
What kit did you get? All these options are confusing. I don't know if I can just buy a front and rear ring and pinion kit for ~$150 each from G2. Or if I'll need one these whole install kit packages that are 700-$1200.
Since your new installment of a 34.8 inch tire size. Are you still satisfied with the size upgrade regarding performance. I also drive a Sahara. Thinking about a tire size upgrade with cooper discovery XLT 285x75x18.
Nice set up. My only question is have you had any problem with your tail gate with that 35 hanging off the back of the stock tire carrier and how much off roading have you done with it on there. Thanks
I haven’t done much off roading. You can see in the video that it isn’t the stock carrier. I installed the rugged ridge carrier and hinge and that has been great.
You will break your shit running a 35" spare on stock carrier. It WILL eventually happen...IF you wheel it. When I had 35s, if you opened gate very slowly, you could see the weight was pulling gate away at top left corner. That was after only a few trips.
Hey! Planning on doing the exact same set up on my Sahara. Few questions running the 35s, how are they with the stock brakes and did you purchase a new tire carrier? Thanks
They are fine with the stock brakes. I don’t notice much of a difference to be honest. It is similar to if you were pulling a light trailer behind you. Yes, I did get a Rugged Ridge spare tire carrier and I think that was a good decision. I didn’t want to deal with the tailgate welds breaking over time. The 3rd brake light extension that came with the carrier is great too.
Joseph Trezza The 33s were 64 lbs and the 35s were 70 lbs. So only a 6 lbs difference. I’m honestly not 100% sure what gears I have or where to find that info. My stock gears have little noticeable power loss with the 35s though. I’m definitely not re-gearing.
I have Sahara rims on my 2017 Jeep. I'm wanting to do what you did. I've had 33's with no lift. I do have 2" spacers. If I move to 35's I should only need a 2" lift then correct or should I go with a 3"? Also, what size 35's did you install?
I’d go 2.5” lift, but you can do 2”. I had 305/70/18s. The bf Goodrich website stated that they were 34.8” diameter. They ended up measuring 34.5” with the weight of the vehicle.
Did you have to move the brake light up? How about the hinges on the tailgate...will you upgrade them as well? I have 33's for 3 years now and thinking of putting 35s. Just regeared my Sahara from 3.21 to 4.10
Some people are running 35s with no lift on the JL. You may be able to do 37s with a 2” lift but at that point you’d most likely want to re-gear. I don’t know as much about the JL wranglers so I’d definitely do more research.
Johnathan Williams unless you’re going over 2.5”s of suspension lift than I wouldn’t worry about the brackets. I’m not sure what gears I have but mine are stock and I wouldn’t bother re-gearing. Definitely get a Procal though to at least change the shift points if you have an automatic. Transmission.
Steve Schillero so I finally put my 3.25 in suspension lift on along with the 35x12.5 in BFG KO2s on the stock Sahara wheels and it looks badass! Thanks brother! Wish I could send you a pic
I use 33s on my CJ-5 with no lift. I would expect a Wrangler with a lift to be on 35s or higher. A lift doesn’t really give you ground clearance. Your axles are still the same height off the ground. The only thing that affects ground clearance at the axle is larger diameter tires.
Better think again. There is a significant loss of power.Putting a larger diameter tire on stock gears will lose power unless you have found a way to defy physics.
i have a shimmy introduced when i went from 33 17 to 35 20 spent thousands since trying to get rid of it. so im thinking of going back to 33 to save a few lbs...annoying JL 18. The shimmy is mostly gone but im sure it will creep back...
I’m Getting 2.5 inch lift kit terra flex with shocks on my 2016 Jeep rubicon JK & I’m still confused between tire size . I went to the shop they said T265/70R17 are better for the lift than 285/70R17 . What do you guys think ?
@@kyleharris3 When you start putting bigger tires and wheels to your vehicle, you are adding rolling weight. It's different than just adding a bumper. Your engine has to turn your wheels. The bigger the tire, the more power needed. Eventually, because of the geometry of the larger tire, you start to change the ratio between your axel to drive shaft and you begin to fall outside of your rpm power band (sweet spot). Before gearing, I wasn't able to use 6th gear, and couldn't keep 75 mph. Now, it's closer to stock performance. Do your research, there are a lot of variables...type of engine...type of transmission...type of driving you plan on doing. Re gearing will bring back performance and SOME efficiency (it's a jeep, don't expect much). Hope this helps...check out some forums, they go into more detail. Cheers!
Between stock tires from the factory and 35s put on you’re gonna lose about 8 to 10 miles per gallon. With all that extra weight on each tire. Especially on the highway.
@@steveschillero2013 YOU CAN GET THAT SPRAYED UNDERNEATH TO PROTECT RUST. VEYR CHEAP IN NEW YORK $200. AND IT LASTS FOR YEARS. ALSO TRY DOING FULL SERVICE CAR WASH TO CLEAN THE UNDER CARRIAGE ESPECIALLY AFTER HEAVY SNOWY DAYS
I have 33 inch tires with a 2 1/2 inch lift, I’m still on the fence whether I should go ahead and just upgrade to 35 inch tires without re-gearing.... I have a 2017 sport. What are your thoughts?
Just get 35s. The whole “regear” thing is from people who are unsure about what they are really talking about. I went through the same thought process you are going through now. The amount of power loss you get really isn’t too noticeable. Trust you will love your Jeep much more with the 35s
Yes you can do 33s with no lift and that does look pretty good. You will just need to install 1.5” wheel spacers to eliminate any rubbing when you turn the wheel. You can get a good set of spacers for less than $200 and install them yourself. A mechanic would probably also install them for very cheap.
Bro i got 33s patagonia mt02 on my 2016 sahara two weeks ago with stock 18in wheels nonlift and honestly.. it looks alright but forsure get spacers cause it rubs.. but tbh.. 35s witha 2in lift would jusy make it look ALOT more better im content tho i wouldve got 35s if i had the money to regear theyre charging 1k ea axle so maybe once these pattys wear out ill go bigg
Nope! Everything literally feels and works exactly the same. I was just pulling a trailer with the jeep yesterday to help my brother move and even that was no issue. Don’t hesitate to get the 35s if you really want them! I have stock gears and stock brakes and they are completely capable. The only thing I felt I needed was the bigger tire carrier.
Its impossible to tell unless you have a gauge or OBD monitor running, i can promise you your trans temp is higher than normal, highly recommend fitting a trans oil cooler, seperate to the factory one. Thank me later! Ask me how i know lol
@@steveschillero2013 Thank you. I recently got a 2.5 inch lift and went with 33’s because my brother in-law went with 35’s. He said he needs to re-gear. I was afraid of that. I wish I went with 35’s. I’m gonna have to go with spacers because I still rub.
@@steveschillero2013 2" spacers are pretty scary. I run 1.5 and would rather be no more than 1.25. Really adding stress out there at the end of your axle. The right wheel alleviates the issue for tire clearance and need for spacers
The money spent on lift, rims, tires, an alignment, and replacing some components with heavier options, begs a re-gear. If you're doing it yourself, or you have a shop doing it, you're going to have to drop your diffs, axles etc. anyways. The regearing won't just help with power, power on hills, better off-road performance etc., but it will also allow for better slow-downs, and braking. It doesn't make sense to do the changes and not re-gear...you cannot put a value on safety. Just think of the weight differnece, especially when turning.
4.10 are only on Rubicon. Sahara, X, and Sport are stock 3.21 unless max factory tow package, then 3.73. Reason most people feel power loss is because the majority of jeeps on the road are standard 3.21.
The power loss isn't necessarily as important on the pavement as it is on an off-road use situation. Crawling and climbing over obstacles or through deep mud you'll see a huge difference. Now if you never intend to off-road then it really doesn't matter much.
Then they were not installed correctly. If you get a quality brand, install with thread locker and re-torque every 5,000 miles then there shouldn’t be any issues.
Question of the experts watching this video: I have a 2018 Sport (still JK) with a 2.5" lift on it and 33s, wanna go to 35s (maybe a 1" body lift) - what gearing should I upgrade to?
If it were me, I'd be looking at 4:10's. But that's just a starting point..... If you want better gas mileage, go down numerically, if you prefer more torque, go up numerically. From 4:10's it's personal preference.
Not a expert, but I own a 2018 wrangler JK sport s, 2.5 superlift and Ironman 315/70R17E MT I run 3.73 gears with a 5 speed automatic transmission, I bought a gadget to fix the Speedo and shift points and I normally drive 70 Max and I avg 16.5 mpg, I'm a hunter and fisher, not a public trail jeep, I put a after market short front bumper on it and a 9000lb winch, I am perfectly happy with my set up so far, but eventually I will be looking for a 4" lift and some 40" tires, then I will probably do a gear swap to 4.88 or 5 something, course gas mileage will go out the window
The big deal here is different jk models have different gear ratios. If you have 4:10 then 35s are probably gonna be fine. If you have 3:21 then you might have a bit more of a issue.
@@steveschillero2013 i agree, to each his own...i was really thinking of going to 35s but think i'll stay at 33...thanks for the video tho it saved me some money
