3D Modeling & Design - Do you REALLY need a Xeon and Quadro?? 

Yup I was going to say that

Now 2022

Yep neeed it!!! haha

But they use solidworks in benchmarks?

Yes Linus please please please make an update for us!!!!!2022

yes please. Also, that's a hell of a *budget* config. 8700k is still pricey in 2019 for a budget option

+1 for an update to this video. For many of us in the 3D Cad and Modeling (architectural design, engineering, etc.) this information is hard to come by and a lot of us work from our home machines. Great stuff!

@@justinma9537 Thank you. I hope they can do something like this soon.

I personally wouldn't as setups vary per CAD program so saying it's for CAD is misselling it.

Yeah, ryzen has given this a whole twist.

See above. Works great!!

Agree

yea, new threadripper 2020 beat it intel xeon

2020 actually ahahahah

deff a redub needed, outdated info even though it was 2 years ago

For 2020 u mean

I agree

More like please rename this to best hardware for solidworks.

^ Pls upvote this comment so it goes to the top. Very misleading for maya/max/blender users

Agreed on all points. I would add that offloading rendering to one of the many cheap cloud solutions is probably more sensible than spending a ton of money on 8+ core Xeons and ECC memory.

Very well said

Or Computer simulations, CFD etc.

John Doe yup

All of those doesn´t utilise Quadro. Look at Pugetsystems comparisons. In 3d, SolidWorks is actually single software where Quadro beats GTX. And this SPECviewPerf is a rubish comparison - it compares multuple softwares and gives a single number - but you actually work in just one software.

Similar thing applies really to CFD, just more of it. Depending on compute loads you would also start looking towards proper data centre cards like the Tesla series and high speed interconnects like Infiniband or Omnipath for MPI between nodes. Linus is a cool guy, but none of that would be his forte lol.

I like the idea... but I see 3D art stuff everywhere... I think this is the first casual C.A.D video I've ever seen that isn't just projectile vomiting of information.

also rhino

Autodesk runs with anything, I would like to see the AMD firepro/Pro cards included here.

Autodesk Inventor has a benchmark utility. I don't know how useful that is, but I'd like to see those results also.

Blender

Also Please test BIG assemblies in catia and Revvit or other BIM. Also test FEA and CFD.

watch this ... its clear that older software is coupled to older gpu (or NO gpu) technology at drivers level (which nobody will/can rewrite as entire app is bound to theirs approach), new apps written from scratch are doing better on new GPUs or technically CAN (no matter if consumer or pro card - they are still almost the same internally these days as they was 30 years ago) ... so some NEW 3d modelling tools can work well even on consumer/game-cards, which are far more powerful today (but, designated by "consumer"-warnings because of high kill/return-rate in crypto-mining farms, probably - sure, 3d modelling software does almost NOTHING vs live dynamic game running in real time vs constant full load by crypto-bastards) ... its then again all on the elite/politics to dedicate some kind of software to some kind of hardware ie some kind of expensive elite class of engineers ... is it still acceptable for 21st century??? NO :-) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gKBLrkZtIVk.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gKBLrkZtIVk.html

That's reassuring! I was planning to lightly get into it when I upgrade my PC in a few months (after I get my tax return)

You will be fine with even a lower setup than mine, blender does a really good job with handling large scenes (especially on linux). Rendering speed is an other topic though :D Good luck with it! :)

I wouldn't mind having to wait a while for it to render tbh. I would be too excited to see something created by me in such a way I never thought possible. I would pretty much just start messing around with it and make simple meshes and models, maybe figure out how to do small weapon/junk retextures in games and go from there if I like it. You said you handle large scenes. What do you mean by that? You can make full environments using just Blender?

Jonathan Miller I'm sure you will love it. Many people have a hard time with the user interface, since it's really different from that ms-office styled system. But after they're over it, it's a great fun to explore and create. Well, you can do basically anything in it. From simple lowpoly game models to complex photorealistic scenes. The more time i spend with blender, the more i realize that not the software is the limiting factor for good art, nor the hardware (even though it helps), but the human skill. I hope you will have good experiences with it :)

bro! intel core 2 duo 2.2ghz,9400gt 1gb on cinema 4d rendering 3d text to put inside a video!

Lol so ture

I think it started as a mask on the monitor and then faded the mask out to reveal the whole video.

Justin Chin I would have said that it was just a completely green monitor and it was used as a greed screen

Yep

lookie eight I don't think so, you can see they add a black bezel on the monitor to help with alignment and that the mounting bracket on the Vega FE disappears. Also the GPU's get a highlight at the same time, but the reflection of the monitor on the marble countertop doesn't change. Actually, rewatching the video I can see at 9:26 that it starts off as a black screen with a white reflection and the fresh books slide doesn't match the monitor bezels either.

No

@@Sidowse no

Get 11 million subs and you too shall get sponsored !

Maybe Linus just borrowed the parts?

@@tridiots3681 Depends tho. Ive heard some reviewers actually get to keep some sent items but for sponsored reviews they will mostly return the item as reviewers are paid with money

Used workstation is the way to go now (like a Dell Optiplex, HP Z400, or Lenovo ThinkCentre)

I really would like to see how rtx cards play in this.

@@StYfReX was thinking the same thing

Hello. Please suggest me a good cpu and gpu . Help me out. My budget is 1000 $

@@gulamsarwar2189 rx580, b450 motherboard with the latest update bios and a 3600. the rx 580 is like 180 at max i think, and the rx570 is like a 480 and is at 120 usd aprox and with 2 games i think(lol), the new cpus are like 220, a b450 is cheap and if you can go for an x570.

Yeah, the title is a bit too generalized. Nvidia is king at Vray RT hands down, and can use SLI. Vray Adv however might see nice performance with Ryzen(haven't checked benchmark but it likes to have many cores)

Yeah I'm Studying that stuff in University in a few months wish they made a video about that too

yes... yes it is for C.A.D students... now... how about while you're at it you ask the other 10000 other videos on the art programs to specify that they are for the art programs...

United States of Embarrassment I really don't think a professional 3D artist, animator, or game designer is going to be checking LinusTechTips to find out what computer to buy. Their employer will be providing a sufficient computer.

He mentions programs like Solidworks and talks about engineering classes so it should be more than obvious what he is referencing.

I second that. Would really appreciate a comparison between how Quadro cards and Geforce cards perform in some of the most common architectural softwares: Revit, ArchiCAD, Rhino, SketchUp and AutoCAD. Such comparisons are surprisingly absent.

i want that video !!!

I'm learning Archicad and Revit for smaller residential & commercial buildings, and so far I haven't really seen any need for even an expensive gaming card. Even my old laptop builtin gpu is generally ok for modelling, and an old gtx750 is good on my desktop. When rendering, it'll depend which rendering engine you're using, ones I've been using seem to be mostly or totally cpu-based.

@@johanwalll do you get the information?

@@archietech89 What do you mean? What information?

Yes. And add Rhinoceros 3D + Grasshopper, 3DS Max, Maya, & Houdini FX as well. I am quite sure the Rhino 6 actually utilizes multiple cores now (Rhino 5 & older only depended on single-core performance)

I was. They’re quite cheap tho.

Did you expect them to feature AMD cards in a video sponsored by a company that only sells nVidia cards?

Ikr, same

cat Also totally forgot to try running RealHack on the gaming cards to enable professional graphics pipelines for them.....

either he didn't ask from AMD for their cards, or they didn't give him those cards

Tanner Sims first of all your assumption is wrong, this is about an AMD card and not cpu even intel use their graphics. second this video is NOT sponsored by intel. third they have other AMD cards and CPUs . again the either AMD did not provide them or they didn't ask for their pro cards from some unapparent reason.

also dissapointment; I think the WX 7100 outperforms the P4000 and it is cheaper.

Jacob Yarr vega frontier has access to radeon pro drivers

They did include the Radeon Pro series, while its not branded Radeon Pro the Radeon Vega Frontier Edition is currentley AMD's top end card and it uses Radeon Pro drivers and AMD's next generation harware design that will underpin future Radeon Pro cards.

WX 9100 is top end, moreso than Frontier

I want to see these tests with the AMD pro cards. Literally was a waste of time of a video without these cards.

Even the entry level 3100 has way better performance to price than nvidias entry level workstation gpus

AMD pro drivers do not play that well with solidworks, something in the driver path doesn't really work for them.

dstblj 52 many Ray tracer use cuda acceleration, open cl it’s not so diffused. So , a nvidia is really a good option for gpu render

Wait but Linus literally said in this video the 580 was amazing bang for the buck? Maybe it's cause English isn't your first language?

Affair ... well that was the strange part. Saying it was the best and then going back to nvidia in the summary

yes, it comes down to how well a vendor is able to utilise hardware and the type of computation. In houdini, does a Quadro p6000 improve simulation speed? Yes, by a tonne.

You seem to be the right person to ask my questions, since I am about to start mechanical engineering in half a year, do you think I should get the G4 which is recommended, and on sale for students, or just get a laptop with a GTX 1050 instead, to have more of an all round laptop? Since it is really hard to find a compass of rendering for that purpose and all.

I'm a Design Engineer as and couldn't agree more. I use top end Quadro and Xeon at work, 5820k and GTX770 at home. No difference in performance in Solidworks for complex models and assemblies. Blender is good the more cores you have.

SP4NK H4RD thanks for the info 🤔😉👍

Solidworks is like a potato, meh for all things, but really good for none.

Catia!!!

I know right!? We all know that Creo ist the state of the art.

Yeah, that's just happens to be the software they learn to use, way people learn and stick to it, than try anything else

Easier to use and looks better than creo, especially when creating the 2d drawings.

Revit pls

sike

Erigorn - Erik doesn't that thing have like 20% apr

the radeon pro line is a disaster

Could I get a laptop with a Rx 460 and amd a10 9630p for cad My minimum spec I need is a Quadro k4000 or equilevent And a i5 of i7 processor equilevent

I was pretty disappointed that he didn't have any of the WX series cards on here, im running the 3100, which is the cheapest one in the series and have had no problem in large assemblies using autodesk inventor

techdiode should

WX cards struggle in solidworks but work great with inventor, something with the driver pathway with the amd pro drivers just don't play well with solidworks.

Well, I wish you the best in your cading career.

Ae is singlethreaded so faster clocks C4d as many cores as possible with best gpus you can afford and if possible quadros. Octane render needs as many cuda cores as you can give him, multiple gforce cards. Maya same as cinema, Houdini higher clocks cpus with many cores for sims and a geforce will do the job to.

@@darviniusb You clearly know shit about this software. AE is multithreaded for rendering (the most challenging/slow task in AE usage), this ain't 1992 anymore. Many C4D functions are single threaded, so you want the fastest clock speed you can find for editor use, and many cores/highest speed you can for rendering. Big multicore processors with a slower clock speed make your productivity go DOWN in C4D, and gpu is basically irrelevant until you start working with scenes with millions of polys as they are not used for rendering at all without going to the new and buggy prorender which 100% of everybody is not using because if you want gpu rendering you'd go to octane.

Using Ae for almost 20 years(unfortunetly), and Fusion and Nuke for 10, all big 3d softwares as well. Ae needs higher clocks and if you have a 24-48 core machine i would love to see a project in ae using all the cores at max. Had projects i could not even open and needed to batch render them from command line and even rendered with Ae in small farms. Some projects where to big for even 64 GB ram so i had to redo some. C4d is doing well in my 50 mil plus production scenes or even bigger. Biggest was arround 1 bilion rendered with Arnold so yes i know wtf i am saying. No one uses the crappy C4d physical anymore, thats a joke. Prorender, are you crazy, thats experimental stuff for now. Vray, Arnold, RS, Octane yes. The projects i am talking about requires you to turn off all the textures in the viewport or reduce to minimum the details in viewport on the highest end workstations you cant afford, not kiddy stundent work. We did try octane last year for some of our big animations but it had a serious bug while rendering animations and would not work in our pipeline. I render in local farms or rebus nowdays a lot, and for huge resolutions and fast delivery red shift. 50 mil plus scenes work great on RS and triple gpu workstations. Did renderfarms alone and managed a few, so i know what i am talking. As many cores as possible are most important for rendering , of course having higher clocks and many cores is the best. but the price for that is not worth most of the time. Also almost all 3D softwares even simulations are nowdays multithreaded or going that way and if a user uses singlethreaded operations then, sory for you but you need to manage the scene better. Trust me that 200+ cores at 2,5 GHz+ are more faster then 16 at 5Ghz .

Aspects of what both of you are saying are right. I think clock speed does offer an advantage over more threads in Cinema 4D when CPU rendering, but having more threads is still advantageous for many applications within the environment. Realistically when you're doing this kind of work you just want to go for the highest Cinebench scoring chip you can get within your budget.

Any idea about Rhino+Vray? I am thinking about getting an AMD processor with a midrange quadro. I mainly do Architecture visualisations. Thank you

ThEcRaZ3dGaM3R im sure they wouldnt have gotten free quadros to sample if they included radeon pro

+ThEcRaZ3dGaM3R Welcome to NvidiaTechTips

I don't think it would honestly score much differently than the Vega Frontier edition

ThEcRaZ3dGaM3R i dont care if radeon pro would have won or not... It should have at least been present to fail. No reason to leave them out

I agree with that. Linus should have included cards like the Radeon SSG or the WX9100 just so we can see what team red (blue in the instance of RPRO) has to offer for the professional market. Kinda biased to only include the Radeon RX series cards imho.

He has a point Linus Media Group. do not disappoint us again :))) It was not a fair comparison. As @MrRORVI said, try sticking to a lower price. Who wants to get serious with 3D modeling and real time simulations has more options the somebody with a lower budget (doing it as a hobby or for personal projects). HOPE YOU SEE THIS.

MrRORVI heres a good comparison video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CAVqIOITdmM.html

I was looking for this kind of comment. You really don't need a fast GPU with engineering, maybe for graphic design, but really the consumer grade stuff is perfectly fine, especially for FEA.

Not even for graphic design. You need a lot of ram and a huge hard drive. A better processor is nice, but ram is the problem.

They didn't pay LTT as Nvidia did to get this video done...

Moises Garcia Marquez Linus' crew asked for the cards, he could have asked amd for the WX cards but maybe he didn't know about them?

Most likely either didn't remember, or completely ruled them out since Vega seemed good enough, of course, i'm not Linus. And or maybe he never considered them because of Driver Issues or whatsoever, or maybe AMD aren't the types of people to hand out such cards despite Age and price.

Or he had the Quadro cards sitting on a shelf, and no Radeon Pro's.

Yeah, really disappointed they basically ignored anything other than Solidworks, and didn't even mention the fact that some software that uses CUDA isn't gonna do well with an AMD GPU.

+shard gaming yes, but those that he tested apparently worked just fine using openCL and the AMD pro cards are better than the consumer RX cards at that.

Maybe because biased?

Tesla! and I don't mean the electric car company

richie1317 this is not useful there shilling for nvidia if you want the best bang for your buck don’t buy quadros literally buy and good gaming card and the fastest single thread performing cpu. Quadro only advantage is they have a driver that enables realview if you don’t use it then they are bullshit a 700 dollar p2000 is a 1050ti in reality.

Shinji Ikari that's why it's useful right? Now u know what not to buy :)

Or simply didn't want to... tinfoil hat melts away... oh wait, thats no tinfoil hat, thats a T-1000............

I'm curious. Given that you commented this three years after the video came out. How did your PC perform? It's now 5 years later, and I'm looking at the same thing. I'm thinking i7-8700k and a p4000. The heftyest thing I'll be doing is Solidworks modeling. And it seems like not much has changed in this area in the last 5 years.

I agree he should have mentioned it, but some people need those CUDA cores

Matt Patenaude And some people Don't There's on reason not to mention the WX series

agreed, but I think the WX 7100 might be better bang for buck, as you get VR support and an actual 6-pin power deliver so room for OCs. but for less than 300 bucks, teh wx 5100 is a great deal

Daniel Rodriguez-Delgado VR and OC for workstation pcs lul

v Nyggi well I see your point but if for the same price I also get some VR after hours why not; also AMD cards have dual drivers so in gaming mode you can easily increase power delivery and get the 7100 to perform very close to and RX 480/580

Solidworks has always worked better on quadro over FirePro as it has features that specifically work on quadros and not on FirePro cards. But personally I prefer quadros but that is just a bias.

AMD didn't pay for this ad.

Are you serious ??? I'm a 3rd year mechanical engineering student. I was looking to get a quadro laptop. Like ThinkPad P53s. I want to work on pneumatics and robotic applications as my 4th year project.. do you think I need a powerful laptop?

IIARROWS "Great bang for buck" 😔

you dont want a rx 580. thats a bad recommendation. you want amd's pro series. the wx7100 is the rx 580 of the cad world.

Flyinghotpocket Watch the video... hint 4:35

Micro center

i watched it. now look up some specs. since linus conveniently ignored the radeon pro series. and coming from real life experience (something you lack) i can tell you the 580 is inferior in cad design to a wx7100.

Don Bastian you don't need much. Any modern cpu with 4 GB of ram and 1tb HDD will work. What matters must is the D/A converters which you'd have to buy from like Sweetwater or guitar center.

ezar howard I heard once about increasing rendering speed using a GPU. I'm not quite sure how it works but apparently it works incredibly well, do you know about anything about that? It could be quite useful for me

FAST HARD DRIVES........ AS MANY AS YOU CAN GET. I run a i7 with 16gb of ram, a 250 gb nvme drive for os, a 1tb mass storage hard drive for regular programs, a 3tb hard drive for my music files and a 500gb ssd for music programs. Music files will add up quick especially if your like me and you keep every little idea that you make.

Glenn from SpectreSoundStudios and Ryan "Fluff" Bruse might have some tips on PC hardware.

Oh you'll need some specialised computer hardware for that (if you wanna go pro) grab yourself a soundcard. Chuck it in a home desktop. She'll be right.

ropiko nice. But I really don't like the MX Master. I find the Performance MX or a Corsair Scimitar Pro much more comfortable and useful. Have your had a chance to put your hands on a Master yet? What did you think? I really wanted to like it; it's such a good looking mouse but I found the side button placement not working for me.

So... you don’t need a monitor? 🤔

Adam Weeks no I haven’t yet, I’ve did some reading online to figure out who uses what mouse for solid works and multiple people said this one, but I will send it back if it’s not OK. Maybe I’ll order your suggestion as well to compare

Gunbardo we already have a monitor in the office, we use the ASUS MX299Q Ultra wide monitors. They’re OK but I wouldn’t recommend their build quality.

CreativePathoz That's actually a really good question

I don't recall seeing that option on my 1080, but to be fair I haven't really looked into it too much.

What will you compute? Solidworks doesn't use calculation GPU acceleration

First you go into Geforce control panel then manage 3D settings. under there look for optimize for compute performance then turn it on. This is also how you mine if you are into crypto mining.

Unfortunately, I didn't find this option when I'm using GTX1080Ti, but I did find it when my GTX970m is enabled. They are both CUDA 9.1 drivers(same installer)

video sponsored by zotac....do you see any AMD in their line up ?

Eventually, you will need cuda for something, and AMD cards don't have cuda.

They are clearly better, so it would be no competition

Harry He amd have stream processors i think they are the same as cuda

WHOA WHOA WHOA. No Nvidia is NOT better, no CUDA is NOT needed. Give me a break, the misinformation is extreme here. CUDA is the same as Stream Processors with AMD. The only difference is that some softwares take advantage of "CUDA cores" (as if they're some mighty cores) because they only optimize their software for Nvidia. My AMD Fury rips the 1070 and even 1080 a new asshole when it comes to game design and rendering because it has more power, AMD has always had more raw processing power whereas Nvidia only cares about speed, which is only good for FPS. AMD offers free Radeon Prorender, whereas with Nvidia you have to Shell out $300 to use their renderer that does the same thing. Nvidia makes you pay for $100 extra Vsync too. Seriously how could you even say something so stupid when Linus literally just showed you benchmarks of AMD shreading Nvidia in Solid works. And the only reason "Quadro" or even the WX series GPUs have any lead on gaming GPUs is not because they have more power (in fact they have half the power) but because they are optimize ld for the softwsre

'Shitty' is definitely the word. The ones I used for CAD at school were using GTX260 + i3 530 with 2GB of RAM which was painful...

Adam Stephenson Can't believe you even had a dedicated gpu lol

The ones in the CAD room have some first gen i7s and some Quadro K-omething

My highschool cad classes had old 4c 8t xeons and a quadro 2000 with 8gb of ram

we all got 16GB, xeons and Quadros in our engineering labs

Curious Frost Yeah, which is better, has more power and is half the price haha

inVidia It's meant to be payed :)

Haas Don't forget the most used tool. The snipping tool! Can't build cars with out it!

True. I'm building a whole car in creo with just an i5 4200u and integrated graphics

Which way, for example?

Yeah Creo runs much smoother than solid works

CATIA Masterrace

I like CREO but SolidWorks is the industry standard for basically everything

Yeah