3D Printing Trick for Stronger Vase Mode Prints

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Here I show you how to use overextrusion to make a more sturdy garbage can on the SeeMeCNC Artemis. Then, if you don't want to use rigid plastic, I show you how to print flexible filament on the Artemis!
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@make.anything 5 лет назад

Awesome, I love seeing my prints supersized! I've been printing these at 2mm extrusion width with a 1mm nozzle and it uses a ton of material, but it's SO strong and pretty much completely rigid at that point. It's also a great way to use up *garbage* filaments that fail or clog with smaller nozzles 😬

@chazy10 5 лет назад

Did some vase in vase mode, but the problem is the bottom (first) layer: it's so thin! 🙄

@ianbottom7396 5 лет назад

Have you found that 2 to 1 width ratio works well in general for other nozzle sizes? Thanks

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

Typically it’s a great ratio to use or at least start with and adjust from.

@ianbottom7396 5 лет назад

3D Printing Nerd have you tried wider than that say 3 or 4?

@RetroRhith 3 года назад

@@chazy10 You can set multiple bottom layers on vase mode prints!

@skysthelimit866 5 лет назад

The first one you showed would make an awesome cup coated in food safe epoxy

@MakersMuse 5 лет назад

This is a super handy trick! You can go even wider with bigger nozzles, like 2mm with a 0.8, if you're brave (insane) enough. >:D

@aspenwatson2116 5 лет назад

The flexible one would be a great reusable bin liner for the rainbow one XD

@playgrounddolls7766 4 года назад

Yea nice way to bin money in straight and any other mean:-))

@lundebc 5 лет назад

Great project and information with Cura!

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

Thank you!

@fusionaddict 5 лет назад

A circular reinforcement lip around the top of the can would probably also help with the rigidity, as well as preventing nasty knuckle-shredding from placing/retrieving items.

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

That's a great idea!

@brandong.5514 5 лет назад

I love the facets (that how you spell it?) On that model when its that size. Freakin cool.

@Psysium 5 лет назад

This is great. I'm glad the 3D printing RU-vidrs can inspire each other and then share with us. I don't even own a printer but I'm still subbed to you and Devin and Angus and company. Such a fantastic community.

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

Thank you for such kind words!

@CritterHitters 5 лет назад

The biggest one is awesome. I love big printings. Good video!

@chuck2501 3 года назад

I came back here, as I could remember the trick! Thanks Joel, this is a super tip..

5 лет назад

Cool and funny like always. My wife says you have a nice calming teacher voice. ;)

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

Aww thank you! Tell your wife she is awesome.

@MrTJansen 4 года назад

Truly an inspiration to tinker with your machine.

@kb3931 5 лет назад

Joel with his old trash can be like I don't wanna play with you anymore

@ady_claudio 3 года назад

Thank you man. After some failures print i decided to listen to you. Great video great explenation.

@davidurdahl6656 5 лет назад

I've been waiting for someone to tell me how to do this! Thanks Joel!

@williamthomasmi10 5 лет назад

Easily the largest flexible print I've seen, well done.

@Lamplighterone 5 лет назад

Fun as always. Got my prusa! printing a lack enclosure right now. Having fun with layering colour during a print. High Five

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

Layering color is so much fun! Return five.

5 лет назад

Hey. I have a lack enclosure too but I had to figure out that the empty body of the lack tables is like a guitar body which makes the printer louder. To make the printer less noisy again I have a foam layer and on that a thin metal plate. I tried a couple of different feet for the prusa but only the foam layer did the job. After that the printer is so quiet that you can print at night again.

@Lamplighterone 5 лет назад

@ I was going to try a concrete slab for sound dampening and vibration control. thanks!

@justsomeguy471 2 года назад

i love your channel Joel, im watching a lot of your older content since i have recently discovered your channel, keep up the awesome content!

@3DPrintingNerd 2 года назад

THANK YOU!

@wpherigo1 5 лет назад

That is the coolest waste basket I’ve seen! Excellent video, maybe one of you best for me hat you printed, how well you explained it and the enthusiasm you showed. , Definitely something to consider auctioning with proceeds to the Children’s hospital.

@yvan2563 5 лет назад

Now all I want to see is a filament company with enough "courage" to sell a multi-colours rainbow filament with "Unicorn Farts" as its official colour name.

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

@JohnClark-tt2bl 5 лет назад

I feel like proto pasta would do that. Joel, make it happen dude.

@hunterrrwlodarczyk476 5 лет назад

OMG yes

@TheMidnightSmith 5 лет назад

Shhhhh don't steal my custom proto pasta name before I can make it lol

@3dprintinglife 5 лет назад

Yvan256 yes

@gordo3di 5 лет назад

Nice video. We constantly modify the nozzle width and extrusion width of our prints without changing the actual nozzle. Useful for things such as the trash bin or if you need to print thin walls.

@norsebavarian1941 4 года назад

Thanks for the over extrusion lesson! It was exactly what I needed to fix the issues with my vase mode prints!

@hotaru8309 5 лет назад

0:22 It's legit. This man is indeed a nerd. His default setting is "cover in stickers." It all checks out.

@asalottin 5 лет назад

I've never experimented with larger extrusion widths -- will definitely give it a go. Thanks for the tips, Joel!

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

Welcome, and good luck!

@aniolpereznoguer9026 5 лет назад

Wow. Just the video I was searching! Thanks Joel

@vernonjennings5921 3 года назад

Excellent information. Thanks for sharing!

@garthhowe297 5 лет назад

Joel, any chance you could do a guide to the most commonly used slicer settings... why you would change them, recommendations, etc.? There are so many settings it makes my head spin... so to speak.

@Rouverius 5 лет назад

I. did. not. know. that. I'm trying it out as we speak. Thanks!

@brendanlondt5142 3 года назад

Great video, thank you. I tried this on my Ender 3 V2 and it worked brilliantly!

@Greg-tj8rg 5 лет назад

I'm sure this has already been suggested, but you can play with using a larger nozzle. You could print wide walls fairly quickly with a .8mm nozzle compared to .4mm nozzle

@HAWKMAKESFOOD 5 лет назад

Great video Joel, awesome setup you have there and an excellent t-shirt too. You rock! Oh and I forgot to add, that flexible vase is amazing. Haha wow!

@TheLeafyLady 3 года назад

Your shirt is AWESOME!

@HawkeyeDFPV 5 лет назад

Dude this is probably one of your best videos yet!! I always wanted to know more about how you dial in the beautiful prints you show us.

@shemp308 4 года назад

ok so I have watched your videos for some time! and I like to say thank you when I solve a problem with someone's help! so because of this video I found the problem! So THANK YOU.

@stevenrais9360 5 лет назад

I've heard you mention Stronghero3D filaments before, I decided to pick some up in violet, prints great. Thank you

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

That's great to hear!

@vcancer 5 лет назад

Love your wall.

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

Thank you!

@maxmaier5243 3 года назад

Looking for some ideas for vase mode I came upon your video. Tried it out, doubled the wall and it worked. Thanks for your great video ( and all the other videos!)

@leotilson942 3 года назад

Another use case for spiralise contour. I recently had to print a handle for a hairbrush. There were two issues. Firstly, there was a z seam. Secondly, despite thick walls and lots of infill the handle snapped at a thin part when used. The solution was to just print the outer wall, and fill the container thereby produced with resin. The resin provides the strength, and the outer wall is clean. It can be strengthened further using rebar (or in my case the shell of an old pen). Furthermore, it was much faster to print.

@thelightspeed3d712 5 лет назад

It’s awesome you’re doing Artemis prints! Good video Joel!

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

Thanks, man!

@G36934 5 лет назад

That came out really cool!

@jamesanderson3540 5 лет назад

If you double the bead width and half the print speed don't you have the same throughput so no need to elevate temp? Other than it might help with layer adhesion. 1mm nozzles works great too, or even 2mm works with 1.75mm filament which was a surprise. Make the filament spool spin pretty fast though! Entertaining video though - thanks.

@TimS57064 5 лет назад

Might give this a shot. Thanks

@TangoDeltaDelta 5 лет назад

Use the ribbed colored one for appearance and support, but print a SMOOTH-wall flexible filament liner for easy emptying and cleaning!

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

Now THAT is a great idea!

@pirobot668beta 3 года назад

I tried this a while back: 0.8 nozzle printing a1.2mm line width. You have to know how much plastic per second your nozzle can handle; I had to bump up the temperature up and slow printing down to make it work. With a translucent material like PETG, thick layers and thick single wall make it nearly see-through! Large features bend light less, tiny features scatter light more. You don't print 1.2mm thick at 0.2mm layers; more like 0.5-0.8mm! PLA comes out nice; good surface finish and strong. Over-extruding has limits, and I could never get it to work right outside of vase mode. Over-extrusion with wall and infill settings is problematic, so I gave up.

@No_Free_Lunch_Today 5 лет назад

I really enjoyed vid, thanks.... unicorn farts 🤣. Also hoping for some E3D Nozzle X - V6 review / testing....."The only nozzle you'll ever have to buy" ?? Best nozzle ever ??

@Schwift3D 5 лет назад

I scaled the trash walker trash can to the max build volume of my ender 3 and have been using it regularly to throw away support material and bits of snipped filaments.

@crussty3d 5 лет назад

Neat trick! You need a second one for recycling redbull cans.

@willierants5880 5 лет назад

Inspired video idea. Video on hats, with at least one hat in particular. That being a Devo hat. As soon as you put that trash can on your head that's what I saw. LOL

@tinkertv 5 лет назад

That intro tho :)))) nice video and nice tips here, Joel! Hope you have a great day!

@SylvainDuford 5 месяцев назад

I love how he calls his garbage cans garbage.

@bwees 5 лет назад

unicorn farts = beautiful prints!

@SidneyCritic 5 лет назад

The young people would call it rainicorn farts. lol

@3DThird 5 лет назад

Why not just use a bigger nozzle? I tried printing a 1mm thick walls for a trash bin and it's super strong and feels great

@astro143_ 5 лет назад

For someone whos printer hotend doesn't have other nozzle options available/poor mans way of printing those thick walls.

@3DThird 5 лет назад

@@astro143_ I found them for less than 1 USD on aliexpress and ebay. This method is probably if I'm feeling too lazy to change my only 3D printer nozzle to larger size. Edit: I believe most 3D printer nozzles can be changed even if the manufacturer doesn't mention it or sell their own branded nozzles. Just check the size and give it a go 😁

@astro143_ 5 лет назад

@@3DThird true, but also how many weeks are you waiting for AliExpress to deliver from China? You'd just have to check the threads on the nozzle to be sure and then recalibrate zero and all that, that goes along with the being lazy aspect of it.

@BRUXXUS 5 лет назад

Another thing that limits big nozzle widths is how much heat a hotend can put out. I guess it's still technically the same amount of plastic per second, but a bigger nozzle would be how I'd probably do it.

@chloemcholoe3280 5 лет назад

Effort

@fhuber7507 5 лет назад

Put the flex one in the rainbow one and you have an impact protective liner for the pretty trash can. OK, for that to work best you would have to scale the flex one slightly smaller. But the flex material might let it work without scaling.

@MaximilianonMars 5 лет назад

I think it was already smaller, good idea!

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

I'll try it!

@goatelope7539 6 месяцев назад

Awesome video

@hotaru8309 5 лет назад

5:34 Mr. Joel Sir, have you ever considered "hidden" videos of the full time lapse for those of us viewers that enjoy that segment? I enjoy the embedded video display, but I think this could be another option to explore as well. I'm not sure how a "hidden video" affects your channel other than it is different than normal posts such as "Fan Mail Friday" which had to be moved due to lower viewership.

@spikeshostagetv5935 5 лет назад

You keep changing backgrounds and studios lol. But this background looks great

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

Thank you! Heh. I’m narrowing it down to only having three :)

@MrFurrybananas 4 года назад

I used the settings in this video and printed the most pristine vase i have ever seen on a CR-X

@ReedCBowman 5 лет назад

I totally thought you were going to use the translucent semi-flex as a reinforcement for the other one by slipping it over it as a sleeve.

@karellen00 5 лет назад

I always thought that the line width should be set as the width of the nozzle! So where do I change what nozzle I am using? Also with a 0.8 mm nozzle it should be possible to print 1.5 mm thick!

@user-lh8ni4so3g 3 года назад

Trying this right now, first try was 6h with 0.4mm nozzle and line with on anycubic vyper and my usual 190°C for geetech filament - definitely anything but sturdy, even had some unconnected layers 😂 Will post a comparison on the makes after the 24h print with your hints

@thewebexpert3311 5 лет назад

On a scale of 1 to 10 of Nerdiness, you're a 42. Love ya, Joel. Keep being nerdy and awesome.

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

42! Perfect!

@alexanderunguez9633 3 года назад

You had me at "unicorn farts in the form of filament."

@D0J0Master 5 лет назад

I was waiting for him to put the flexible trash can inside the rainbow one, would be such a perfect fit...

@Hawk1966 5 лет назад

Does it really lay down a 1mm line, did you caliper it? I'm boggling at getting a line twice the diameter of the nozzle. How exactly does it do that?

@alexmagnus5418 3 года назад

very well job some times in my case i print vase mode with line width 1.0 and everithing going well but the other times the leyers have space between them

@TheAIKnowledgeHub 5 лет назад

I would like to find a modular trashcan. I have a MK3, and a can max size is still kinda small. Like one of the first thing I made was a trashcan. And I constantly deal with overflow. BTW the can I made is made out of glow in the dark blue that is also blue in the daytime

@flioink 5 лет назад

Yo, Joel have you tried those color-changing filaments? There are some really cool possibilities there, no? That subject seems to be unexplored as I didn't find much examples or on any of the other prominent channels.

@podog9914 5 лет назад

The colors that I've seen have been rather dull. The roll that I have has been relegated to utility prints that are not seen or unimportant.

@kanadnemade 5 лет назад

Cura 4.0 have a whole new GUI

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

Yes it does! Just downloaded it.

@MarinaMatic 5 лет назад

Hi. I am a school teacher and I want plug and play affordable 3D printer so I can print stuff for my students to learn easier. I need printer just like a normal printer - the one that has affordable filaments too (like ink printer you buy ink, the printer is gratis). What are the chances I will get proper clear help/advice here on the exact model to get with the link and EU plug and no custom to an affordable 3D printer with filaments pack? Thank you.

@iandawkins2182 5 лет назад

Awesome as always, love your video's and they are getting better and better. For newbies like me you using Cura is so helpful as I am still learning and don't want to invest in expensive software until I know I can get the benefit from it. Yes Sir you do inspire me and many more. Respect creator.

@markus98sb 5 лет назад

One question: Are delta printers better for finecy parts because the base dosen't move, so it won't wobble?

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

A non moving bed will ALWAYS help in print details.

@ICHIEFI 3 года назад

You should put the flexible one inside the pla one as a bin liner

@macrumpton 4 года назад

Is there a way that you could increase the extrusion width on the last inch of the vase? If it was thicker there it would make the whole thing sturdier. Another option would be to print a rim that would fit inside/outside/over the top of the vase and that would also increase the rigidity.

@seppo2712 4 года назад

hey 3D Printing Nerd how can i adjust the speed it prints the contour with? its alwasy the same time no matter how much i change the print speed ?

@jeffreythompson82 5 лет назад

Interesting, I thought extrusion width generally needed to be within equal to ~+15% or so of the nozzle width, and extrusion height needed to be max ~75% of the width. Ultimately you can't TELL the material to lay down evenly over a 1mm surface if you're pushing on only 0.5mm of it, or at least that's my assumption.

@fhuber7507 5 лет назад

Some ironing effect from the nozzle .

@starsstripesjacket 4 года назад

I love vase mode

@blademonkey 7 месяцев назад

this is still a very useful video.

@filippov53rus 4 года назад

Very cool!

@meckatzer4life739 5 лет назад

No waste separation ?

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

I didn't put a liner in it for the video, but a liner is in it now :)

@olorf 5 лет назад

I think you're confusing increased line width with overextrusion. When increasing line width, you also increase line spacing. If your flow or extrusion multiplier is well calibrated, there will be no overextrusion when printing at a wider line width. Using a wider line width is a common practice when printing pure polycarbonate, as it creates stronger layer bonds and tends to warp less.

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

Ohh, I've always heard pushing a wider line width through the nozzle as overextrusion. That's good to know, thank you!

@olorf 5 лет назад

@@3DPrintingNerd overextrusion is just the effects from a poorly calibrated extrusion multiplier or flow setting. It could also happen because of the wrong esteps and moisture in the filament.

@ScottLahteine 5 лет назад

I agree that it's probably best to leave the actual nozzle width in the slicer, but just increase the flow multiplier to 150% or more. Set a slower printing speed as shown, and Bob's your uncle. This distinction probably matters less for the vase-mode portion of the print, but it should help the bottom layers be a little neater. You could also set an on-layer script in the slicer above the bottom layers which sets the increased flow for the remainder of the print. So, now the question is: Can we create a vase-mode version of any model in the modeling software, increase the wall thickness, and print them in normal mode, to get *really* strong walls in a print that still *looks like* a vase mode print? No one has to know it took 20 hours!

@olorf 5 лет назад

Nozzle width and line width are two different parameters. Increasing flow to 150% will make a horrible mess of the bottom layer. That is actual overextrusion. Joel did the settings in the correct way.

@ScottLahteine 5 лет назад

@@olorf I would suggest not having 150% for bottom layers, but only for the vase-mode layers above that level. I'm not entirely certain that nozzle aperture alone *should* affect the volume of extrusion, all other things being equal, but I'll have to play with some slicers to see how they each treat it.

@avjee 2 года назад

Did you encounter the usual spiral mode blobs, due to the power failure recovery memory function in the cura slicer?

@Feangar 5 лет назад

Watching causally, i notice 5 dislikes. It would be just sad for a human being to dislike great content like this!

@SuicideNeil 5 лет назад

If I may play Devil's advocate for a moment... I imagine the dislikes come from the nature of the video- spend $$ on filament, hours of time designing and setting up, then hours or days printing... to make a bin. Of all the applications for 3D printing some people might find this a bit odd and wasteful, maybe they'd rather like to see complex mechanisms or detailed models, reviews of new printers and software/techniques. Instead, it's a 10 minute video about making... a bin. I dunno, but I can see why some people might be turned off by this and miss the interesting part(s), based purely on face value...

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

People dislike for all sorts of reasons, and it's not always for the content. People will dislike for personal reasons, or because I said a word wrong, or even because they are just having a bad day. Regardless, the likes and dislikes on RU-vid all count towards engagement :)

@RonFloyd 5 лет назад

Since the white one is flexible, can you fit it inside the rainbow one and get the best of both worlds Joel?

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

You know I'm going to try!

@RonFloyd 5 лет назад

@@3DPrintingNerd Of course - that's a gimmie! LOL

@EdgarInventor 5 лет назад

Can you 3D print a comb, too? (cheeky Portuguese humor) ;D And thank you, by the way; excellent videos.

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

Heh, yes I can, and should :)

@jstro-hobbytech 3 года назад

Spraying a clear coat on the inside helps. Sometimes 2 coats.

@3DPrintingNerd 3 года назад

Great idea!

@bryanharness1122 2 года назад

Use the flexible one as a liner for pla one

@microponics2695 4 года назад

If you want a easy natural feeling way to make your vase mode prints to be super hard simply coat the inside with some PCL Polymorph / Instamorph / Shapelock.. it's prototyping plastic. you can buy it by the kelo color it by hand with fade proof uv resistant Tattoo ink I suggest eternal brand. and it is hand moldable. It's cheap and you can get a kelo for about $40 it's super hard like Nylon and not brittle at all and it is like glue stick glue but way harder and not rubbery at all. It's bio degradable so if it's wet or something it might get some algae on it but you can always just re heat the PCL and recycle it again. You can make the PCL harder by impregnating other plastics or metals in it.

@Trade-Tallk 5 лет назад

Does anyone know how to do the vase designs?

@lfg3924 5 лет назад

Hat? Joel, Print a Devo Hat.

@beratbaki1681 5 лет назад

Sweet!

@ezraelsensiaron4860 5 лет назад

You're awesome! High five!!!👋👋👋👋👋

@3DPrintingNerd 5 лет назад

return five!

@ezraelsensiaron4860 5 лет назад

@@3DPrintingNerd i just subscribed!👋👋👋👋👋😊😁

@justincasiere9598 3 года назад

2 years late but thanks for the tip I got my first successful vase mode print 70% done hopefully I don't jinx ot

@radicalxedward8047 3 года назад

I don’t understand why vase mode is limited to thin walls. Why can’t it just zig zag the same as it would for the texture but more densely. So you still make a continuous spiral but of any thickness.