4 Movie Tropes That Become Insane If You Swap Genders | YBOC (DCEU, Rom-Coms, Film Noir) 

The answer: don't think about her sex/gender when you do it.

@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty "do it"? We not all pansexual, so that would be weird.

Do it, it could be a man in a female body.

@@Carewolf nah but I am😏

Same.

I can’t believe I missed that pun

Chris Rock smoked magic rocks in New Jack City

But there was a very good reason to do what they did. By having him inhabit the body of an existing person, it would explain why he has a valid passport, and travel luggage and allow them to take a commercial fight without encountering all sort of problems caused by an undocumented magic person. What's that? They didn't do that? I wonder how that happened?

@@KeithBab Even getting the deep sarcasm here, all it does is remind me how the dumpster fire that is _WW84_ implies at least twice that neither Steve nor Diana even bothered to find out the guy's name despite trespassing at his place for days and how the movie itself doesn't even name him. All this on top of Diana creepily ogling him at the end and having it presented as "romantic" even though it was made clear just beforehand that he has *no* idea who she even is. Even without the sheer dehumanization, switching the genders just at the last point with the same context would instantly become a bad, downer ending fit only for a horror and/or thriller movie.

@@MusicoftheDamned Please stop thinking about. You have already given it 10x the thought that went into writing it.

They had to make Goldie Hawns character very unlikable to justify Kurt Russell playing the trick on her. Still not ok though

Overboard is SOOOO DAMN CREEPY.

I thought both movies were disgusting

The lady bugs was the reverse of she's all that and came before.

This is what I was thinking

SAME. I remember that just creeping me the hell out and I was only 12 or so.

90s were weird like that. I can half remember a heap of jokes like that, with girls washing their mouth out, or having a shower, like it's a joke, but I remember that even as a guy, I was thinking that would scar me for life, knowing my body was used without my knowledge. Even now, I have a little existential crisis whenever I think about whether my body is me, or my memories, or my conciousness, or what? Like, my body completely changes every particle over ~7yrs, so that can't be me, otherwise I was a different person 7yrs ago. But I've also forgotten most of my life, so my memories can't be me, otherwise I didn't exist when I can't remember. I'm also not concious when I sleep, and I wouldn't say I stop existing, so that can't be me... am I a combination of these things, none of which I would agree are actually me? 🤔

@@trybunt In regards to your "whether [your] body is [you]" pondering, I've always seen it this way: essentially, you are defined by the physical continuity of your brain. So, while individual cells may change, and over time you become a completely physically different person from what you once were, because that change is gradual, you never cease to be yourself. So in this sense, your body, memories, and consciousness are always you, despite how the change over time. It's for this reason that I don't think any kind of traditional concepts of transfer of consciousness are possible, because such a transfer would break the physical continuity of the brain. So I don't think examples like the story arc mentioned by the OP could ever be possible. Even if we came up with technology capable of altering the memories and consciousness of another person to be the same as another (similar to the concept of uploading your consciousness into a digital format), ultimately it would still just be creating new life identical to the source. Like if your body, mind, and experiences were duplicated into a clone. The clone would think and feel like they're you, but they wouldn't actually be you. Just some thoughts I've had on consciousness/the self. It was something that always bothered me about sci-fi in particular, since few stories seem to take this continuity into account and do things like transmats, which in my mind is essentially killing yourself and then creating a copy of yourself. A while back I was looking up to see if anyone else was talking about it, and I found this article which goes more into the concept of continuity as a metric for the self, if you're interested: theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-continuity-problem/

@@peterlewis2178 yeah, the star trek transporter always freaked me out a bit for this reason, or any media with copies taking the place of someone dead- like altered carbon or the 6th day. I find it all very interesting, though. Ultimately, I consider "myself" as a conscious piece of the universe, a pattern of firing neurons, a passenger of my body, listening to my thoughts, watching my actions. Someday, the pattern will fade away, just like everyone else's will, but that's ok, I'm happy to have the opportunity

In the case of Star Trek, it moves the atoms so it's not supposed to copy, or even be capable of copying, people. The few exceptions to that, such as the duplicated Riker, are extremely rare occurrences and generally unrepeatable.

They do. It's called Hallmark movies. The busy, career focused, big city woman that has had a string of bad relationships goes to some middle of nowhere town meets the single, attractive guy that does some type of manual "honest work." He shows said woman that what she really needs to be happy is to settle down in said small quirky town, get married and have a family.

@@heatherwills3404 True enough. I've seen those a lot and I didn't think of it. Either way, a woman changing a man is a toxic idea and the idea that a career oriented woman just needs to meet the right man to make babies is just as toxic. Both those movies are oftentimes funny and lighthearted and hide how truly fucked both concepts are.

@@Roberta_Trevino I completely agree.

Blast fromt the past with Brendan Fraser

@@Roberta_Trevino it is called de frosting the ice queen

It was originally supposed to be a horror movie as it was from Jennifer Lawrence’s perspective in the original script but the studio that got it thought it worked better the way they went with. Sigh.

Even if he had woken up alone, why not wake up the chief engineer, the one person who could fix the ship and get the sleeping pods working again?

If he had suicided and it ended with her waking someone else up it would have been less creepy

​@@dcriket9 Actually addressed in the movie. The crew cryopods are in a separate, locked, part of the ship. He only has access to the cryopods of his fellow passengers.

Creepy as fuck

Unless the male suspect's junk was 13 inches, lol!

@@darlalathan6143 stop raising the bar for men...literally😂

We forget how many love letters serial killers get

He clearly never spoke to Captain Hammer.

"Surprised I'm a woman?" "No. I'm an equal opportunity crime fighter." Batman: The Animated Series

@@Piledriver2006 loved that series as a kid

And the hero negotiates for anal to save the princess

@@appa609 yeah… no movie is perfect

@@appa609 He didn't even negotiate for it; he negotiated a kiss for saving her which is... slightly... less ew. The "princess" just brought it up on her own after he's already said he's going to save the world -- to make him want to save the world more or do it faster, I guess? You have to wonder what was the whole point of that line, other than a writer thinking it was funny or wanting to live out a specific fantasy or something.

@@thesephiam The ending of that movies has bigger problems than mere off-color jokes about sodomy. They made Eggsy's mom attacking a door to get at his little sister a major drama point, but in no way addressed the charnel house that most schools have to be. It has bothered me since I saw it. Pretty much all children on Earth should be dead, and/or their teachers. The Kingsmen were established to prevent a culling of England's youth in a senseless conflict like WWI, but failed in the worst way possible, with a global population implosion due to mass infanticide by functionally every childcare professional or parent. They weren't interested in addressing a realistic fallout of worldwide, instant violence. I get that. But they also literally showed us what would be happening being barely prevented by a locked door, leaving the fact that most children would be near at least one caretaker an unspoken holocaust. And that's leaving out the other dead people. I never saw the sequel, because by all rights society should have collapsed.

@@morganrobinson8042 yea the sequel only touched on it for a sec before revealing the new bad person which is just an insane woman selling drugs

Then explain Suicide Squad.

@@VecheslavNovikov The Hays Code is no longer in place, even if it still affects movies today.

@@alastorlapid2365 Ah, an excellent and concise explanation. Thank you.

@@VecheslavNovikov the squad especially will smith were basically good guys,

At least Arisia was a better character when she was brought back after GL: Rebirth, but . . . YEAH, no amount of therapy will ever make that original story okay.

wtf.

wasnt Arisia from a species that lives a lot longer? i remember a case of a lantern being squicked by an underage girl, who turned out to be older than him

@@GinHindew110 That may be the case with Arisia, I have some trouble remembering, although the issue might come from her being, mentally, still a kid.

@@justinweber4977 so, like the creepy portion of the Dragon Maid fandom that thinks Kanna's lewdable?

One of the reasons why I like James Bond films is that they are not afraid to whack off a female or two. Wait, that came out wrong.

@@heedmywarning2792 this might be the first time it doesn’t sound great either way

Splatoon has got you, every humanoid enemy is female

@@heedmywarning2792 ...and all over the furniture.

I'm all for shooting Nazis regardless of sex.

Hallmark movies Irritate me to no end because it's the same (awful) regurgitated plot with an almost exclusively white cast, and distinct lack of queer people for miles. It would be one thing if they didn't vilify women who didn't want to settle down and have kids, but it's always they are unhappy with their lives until they get stranded in some random small town she's either never heard of or hasn't been to since she was a kid and falls in love with the first guy she sees just in time for Christmas and realizes this was the key to happiness all along. Like please, stop. I am tired and want even a modicum of variety cause let's face it the women is almost always blonde and the guy she falls in love with probably has had the same haircut since he was 6 years old.

@@eveescastle5866 I feel you. Due to Covid I’m living in a house with an old white lady. Hallmark can suck my rancid nuts. They are all awful. Weirdly pro-aristocracy/authoritarian, ditto to the only pretty white people. And they all have the same plot, almost to the minute.

Don't forget the Lifetime movies.

@@StumpyG8 just wanted to say....wash your nuts

@@eveescastle5866 Who do you think watches these things? Middle-Aged to Elderly white women. They're not trying to have variety or even be good. They're pandering to their audience. They're the film equivalent of Blake Shelton.

DANGIT

"I'm claiming 'Genocidal Water Goblins' as my band name" by Panic! At The Disco

@@daelnelbel 🤣🤣🤣

Could you title your concept album "Admiral Gobble Gobblecorn"? Kinda has a Primus feel to it, that's rad

I'll take Afternoon Sex Soup.

But while you are sleeping is a cute rom com?

Yeah and has a similar plot to a Netflix horror movie when a man obsessed with a woman lies his way into her life/into being their partner. A gender flip that was discussed in the video.

Also 1987's Overboard.

That Netflix movie wasn't good but damn it was entertaining

‘Freaky Friday’ always freaked me, are we supposed to believe hubby never even noticed his wife/daughter didn’t return his kiss without saying ‘Oh daddy, EW!’

Sort of. 13 Going On 30 is a global time jump, it’s only instantaneous for Jennifer Garner’s consciousness. So while she’s not aware of it, her body was making adult decisions for years. And then she gets to go back in time and do things differently.

Did the protagonist of that movie had a sexual encounter with an adult?

I am not 100%, but I don’t think that she does anything as an adult beyond some kissing? She wakes up an adult in her apartment and a naked man walks out of the shower or something, implying that she had done things in the 17 years between the wish and the wake up.

@@acgeewhiz No she does not. It's clear that Adult Jenna had a sexual relationship with this guy, but Child Jenna freaks out that he's naked and she can see his junk. The naked boyfriend sends her fleeing from her apartment.

^The Talented Mr. Ripley

Isn't James Bond a brofatale?

Archer has a few good episodes of him trying awkwardly to honey pot a dude. Solid episodes from a great show.

There are a lot of movies about sensual males who can get with they want by being flirty

@@chevon1920 yeah, but how many are gay?

I do NOT want what he’s having

"Clean up at table 3"

@@cracked the ken kaniff skit from Marshall Mathers lp

I actually laughed out loud at "vinegar strokes". Good work! I'ma plagiarize.

That’s one of the best terms I learned from “The League”, lol. The episode where Jeff Goldblum’s vinegar strokes? Classic.

Ooof yeah

Goddess, ew.

The Hot Chick with Rob Schneider

@@Ceares That movie's so awesome

He dresses in black leather, off-course he's into bondage

@@youtubestudiosucks978 And Catwoman is totally going for the Domme look...

Remember never underestimate a mentally scarred as a child- billionaire they can do some shit

@@mohamedbarrie7970 Hmmmm. .. 50 Shades of Grey, but with Batman. This could work. Bruce! Bruce! "yes, you're going to get bruised."

Yeah I'll never understand why movies push tropes like this that damage the Fight for equality. Pushing Anti- feminist narratives like that is basically why most people over the age of 40 are simply brainwashed to the point of being incapable to even understand these concepts on any critical level what so ever~

Man am I still sad for no more After Hours.

YES, this is exactly what I was thinking!! I miss that series :(

Have you seen Mr. Robot?

That's one of the reasons I love John Wick. Dude does not discriminate any gender. You hinder him and you dead. 😅

I think more gender-neutral gruesome deaths are happening on tv now.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Also not sure but I think people have made videos about how women have it worse in horror.

@@whatsup2318 I think it's more complex than that. But they definitely don't shy away from it in the genre.

I guess it just depends on the genre.

I feel like it has to do.with the genre. Like, batman kicking whole ass across the screen is cool and good becaue theyre men and batman is the hero. Slashers killing women is bad because... theyre serial killers. And theyre women. Yknow?

Yeah, I think you're probably right with the horror genre, although I would also guess that a female is more likely to be the lone survivor.I still think it's fair to say "in general" guys would be the butt of most ouch jokes, and most baddies getting beaten up are men, if we just averaged all movies, I think it would be a pretty clear majority. Would be interesting to see some stats. Unrelated, but horror has some weird tropes, like- the people having sex are typically going to die. Is that just a way to get people seperated, and not paying attention? Were they targeting teenage boys, with excessive topless shots? I've never really understood the appeal, but I guess I'm thinking more of the slasher horror genre. 🤷‍♂️

Correct.

I totally forgot that movie was a thing! To IMDB for dose of nostaliga, I go!

Tootsie, JuWanna Mann, Some Like It Hot, Sorority Boys, men pretending to be women is a much stronger common trope than women pretending to be men(though Shakespeare did love that one-which is where She's The Man comes from)

I'm so glad someone mentioned this.

Ha yeah, sorry. I was just throwing out examples at the end.

He's definitely better than her. He sets out to make a woman fall in love with him and along the way falls in love with her. The woman... my goodness is she a piece of work.

Never Been Kissed, love how David Arquette goes from being the cool kid at school to a pedephile in one breife moment at the costumed dance!

Does the aged up protagonist have sex in that movie?

Nobody’s perfect

@@luketerry3635 ---You beat me to it, wouldn’t a Joe E. Brown huge smiling emoji be great???

@@luketerry3635 I love that ending! 😊

juwanna mann is another one where a man joins the womens basketball team

Ewwwww

what about the Curious Case of Benjamin Buttons?

Where else would they put the feet?

Right? Raw, bony stump meets floor. HAWT!

Somebody hasn't read the Hitchhiker's Guide series.

@@aestevalis0 it's been a good 15 years since I read them.

Yes officer, this comment right here.

Timesplitters 2 is the most perfect game ever made - especially on GameCube

The arcade league mini games on ps2 😎

Dude: THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!! I NEEEEED TO KNOW THE ORIGIN OF THOSE 3 SCREAMS!! They're the female Wilhelm Scream. I've already asked this in the comments, but way farther down the line, cause I like naps.

I didn't know cracked was this based

After Hours had a solid episode about how pretty much all people in Rom Coms are just terrible people.

@Moon Joy Don't forget the "pretend to be gay" so she'll undress in front of you trope.

This is why I don't like rom coms

Ha that’s actually kind of awesome

Here here! Everyone loves a hairy Jordan! 😂

@@cornlips7247 Woo!

..... Why????

I sure hope not 💔

Moist is such a gross word. Idk why but it’s 🤢

@@cherylbest5541 Exactly why it's funny 😆

So true. How on earth anyone could watch "While You Were Sleeping (i was a-creeping)" without thinking Bullock's character was a stalking psycho always beat the hell out of me!

@@tttm99 the idea is that fems always have plausible deniability, and men never do.

It’s a Walter PPK, so close enough.

You're a name-dropper

@@TheMachRider Walther PPK

That's true! I almost considered adding a segment that was like well except the new Suicide Squad haha

It's an exception that proves the point. A movie about villains being disposable fodder is where we see female characters being brutalized. Even then, way more men were slaughtered than women.

Watch it again. Only one woman is graphically killed on screen. The others are suggeted.

@@sirskeptic Still murdered or turned into zombie. I see that you follow certain channels... unfortunately pretty predictable for people like you...

@@ExtremeMadnessX and still way more men are brutally killed, mostly all for laughs.

Ah. I had forgotten about that train wreck of a webcomic.

Or a woman slapping a man in a telenovela.

Or a woman hitting a guy in the balls specifically, really played for laughs.

Or Springsteen's "I'm on Fire." "Hey little girl, is your daddy home? Did he leave you all alone?"

Ah, the 80s.... when casual misogyny and domestic abuse were as routine as leg warmers!

@Heed My Warning I was knocked out by the Beatles' "Run for Your Life" on first hearing. Where did the wholesome guys go?

Addams Family holds up better romantically and they know to wait for kids to mature before eating them, or that's what Morticia says.

The Hitman movie (though horrible) does actually have a scene of the hitman declining sex.

That's a Texas-sized 10-4

What if I told you there's Female-Led teams of heroes in the comic books🤯

You edited your already forced opinion. Forced² The Forcedening

Eh. I found it to be cute. You can argue all day that it was forced, but so are most plot points in any MCU movie. People only say it’s forced there because it’s a bunch of ladies.

Male villains hit female heroes in movies and TV. It's usually used to establish the villain as extra evil and to set the audience up for a feeling of catharsis when she beats him up later. Women-only fights are used to avoid having male heroes hit female villains. That's another reason why men in movies are allowed to use their sexuality for good. Dicking the evil out of a female villain is another way to avoid hitting her.

@@kryptonianguest1903 Actually there are plenty of cases where men fight evil women, but its usually played as slap stick where the guy is just trying to refuse to fight her, or only self defend a few attacks till he eventually does fight back and the fight is litterally over in seconds at that point usually through somehow she accidentally kills herself. (Rush Hour 2, Deadpool, etc) And to be fair to Hollywood on this one, everytime they have tried to allow a Badguy to fight a 'Good guy' girl they usually get railed by the media for promoting violence against women. (x-men age of apocalypse)

That movie is so messed uuuuppppppp though haha

I was sitting at work the other day just thinking about how fucked up that movie and how it should be treated as psychological horror.

I was scrolling through the comments to see if anybody pointed this out because that's exactly what I was thinking as well.

But they made a recent version with a huge gender swap it didn't perform as well but it's out there

Well every movie needs conflict. It’s easier in a horror movie, there you always have a bad guy, but in romance or especially comedy it’s not as easy. Nobody wants to see a movie about average Joe Doe because it’s boring. We only realize how messed up most tropes are if we deviate from the regular perspective, that we are used to. Either by a gender swap or just perspective swap.

American Vandal is the best

Michael Fassbender remembers

Yeup. And it was mostly the "gender equality" crowd that had a problem with it.

@@overlorddante uhm but we don't judge gender equality in a vacuum like that lol billboards for movies aren't the measure.

@@thatsterroristsbro7855 your point? If it were a man being choked on the billboard, no one would care.

@@overlorddante that's what the logic of sexism would dictate.... Male bodies are valued for their production and this is what makes them disposable and expendable. He is the protector, provider and procreator. I don't think you know enough about this topic....

Actually really solid take

I often hear a statistic about violence against women and how one woman is murdered every three days (UK). What they fail to mention is that men are murdered at three times the rate (one man every day). The truth is male lives are disposable: • Murdered at three times the rate, media silence on the cases. Campaigns focus specifically on making the streets safer for women. • Talk of BLM, but the vast majority of victims are black men. White men are proportionally a larger group of victims that black women. It’s an intersectional issue of race and gender but only race is focused on despite gender being the larger common denominator. • Men are not only more likely to get cancer but are also more likely to die from it. However, male cancers get a tiny amount of funding compared with female cancers. Some cancer fund raising events will not let you take part if you are male. • Men are much more likely to work in hazardous jobs or be killed in some manufactured war. Abandoned veterans struggling with mental health. • Men are more likely to commit suicide and be made homeless. They are told to open up more about their emotions but often when they do they are shamed for it. • If you need some goons to kill in your film/TV series the vast majority are male. Not only that but male protagonists will always solve their problems with violence, any rare exceptions (eg. Dr Who) no longer apply. Domestic violence against men is also often seen as acceptable, such as hitting/throwing objects/emotional abuse on TV. • This leads it to be also seen as acceptable in reality due to people’s toxic gender expectations. Such as men don’t need to consent, in the UK a woman can’t be a rapist in law. All this means there is a complete desensitisation to men’s deaths, to the point where it has always been acceptable that men’s life expectancy is lower than women’s, it’s seen as “natural” that men are killed more which brings the average down. Plus if you try to point any of this out you’re labelled an MRA misogynist, tbh I just wish everyone would at least stop the doublespeak and admit #Menslivesdontmatter.

@@Miners666 yeah. Sexism sucks. For everyone. Sorry bout that. Being doomed to be the evil-doer forever while She is condemned to undergo evil for eternity is shit. "So there he is, culpable in spite of himself and labouring under the effects of a fault he did not himself commit; and here she is, victim and shrew in spite of herself" - Simone de Beauvoir

Hi, keep in mind that it's based off a Shakespeare play. Hollywood doesn't have to make the film, but you know how they love a Shakespearean adaptation. To note, the sport is soccer/footie thing. I am biased in favor of this movie. I rewatched it recently it holds up. David Cross, Channing, Amanda Bynes in her prime. The friends are actually funny. Just go in knowing what you're going to get.

I was think about that film too! I haven't watched it as an adult, but I liked it as a kid

Shame the box office was 120 dollars for that movie. 10 dollars per person who watches the WNBA

That is also covered in an old After Hours video. We, as in society, tend to overly sexualize young girls and the reverse as well we enjoy older girls playing at being younger which is why “bimbo” characters act like idiot teens so her acting like a teen is honestly standard

Yup creepy

RIP Rodney and Brandis

what was it called? asking for a friend ;)

@@aspiringwayfarer he's a character from an audio drama podcast called The Penumbra Podcast, which is pretty enjoyable as a whole if you're someone who's into podcasts (you could probably find it on spotify)

Why?

So now genderswap wonderwoman

I would say that since batgirl kicking the ass of men seems fine, but batman kicking the ass of women is wrong, there is a double standard

@@ofekcohen7147 but no one thinks Batman kicking the ass of women is wrong. He literally does it all the time against his female villains and no one complains.

I want my nemesis to be of the opposite gender, for equality.

To be fair, male superheroes generally fight the opposite version of themselves (in movies anyway), so they're usually men. I'd generalize this thesis to female superhero movies, but there's, like, 2 of them and they're both Wonder Woman, who mostly fights dudes. So who knows what a female main character superhero would do. Wait, there's Black Widow, too. Also fights mostly dudes. ProZD sketch: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UaNWFHLy2NI.html

Congrats!

And it'd be he's the woman and probably about a baking/sewing club.

Dudes dress up like women all the time in films and we laugh at their attempts to do femininity. Like Mrs Doubtfire and White Chicks. Funny as heck

okay. then explain to me. do you think you'd be traumatized if you were 17 and a hot 30 year old woman throws herself at you?

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Yes. S)xual harassment is s)xual harassment no matter who or what. Do you think its ok some woman touches a minor boy in places she shouldnt and call it 'manly'?

Yes, but they're either super called out for their evil, the silly presumed gay best friend, or Edward from Twilight and breaking and entering is alright as long as it's just to watch her sleep. As for The Lovely Bones, does the male crush know that the person he's interacting with is being possessed by another person and their agency being taken away? A sincere question, I've never seen the movie.