Quick Refresh of an old vid - Accidentally makes a vid 3x longer than the original I recently thought I need to update some of those old vids - Bolters should be straightforward - I knew I was wrong when the intro for this vid was nearly the length of the entire old vid lol. If you enjoyed please SUB - LIKE - COMMENT - it makes a big difference for the channel, and supports me full time
great video But I am confused what is connection between Tzeentch and Emperor especially due to foresight and clock ⏰ of Doom for mankind. They both seem too much obsessed with Eagles, always planning, deceiving. and Which one actually is self destructive schizophrenic Fishy Pisces Or Eagle I should ask? Can it be possible that Tzeentch and emperor actually are more involved with each other and actually share some history 🤔 and can this be possible that Necrons and eldari and all other were created later by advance humans. And thus, Chaos Gods originate from middle time and not in war in heaven time. and humans exist before the war in heavens.
BULLSHIT. Did anyone ever saw a ammunition vest on the Space Marines? No, i wonder there they keep all of their magazines? How they can replenish them? From what source? How good imperal logistic to deliver ammunition in time, and not be lost at warp. Or not receave shipment at all due to local planet Rebellion on the Forge world. What if Ship would shot and destroyed? What if ammunition factory got destroyed by Inqusition's EXTERMINATUS? What if???!!!
I’d say the no extra mags thing is just for aesthetic purposes. That mag lock tech they have in the books makes their smooth ceremite armor into a highly customizable gear organizer. That said I imagine Astartes’ love of melee weapons to be at least partially due to ammo resupply concerns.
If I recall correctly, their love of melee comes from rhat being where they are at thier best. At range, sure they have great aim and a great gun, but that’s about it. In melee is when their extreme speed, reflexes, strength and other abilities really come into play and allow them to body most opponents that aren’t something like an Aspect warrior or an Ork Nob.
In some of the Ultramarine novels the mention extra bolter magazines being stored in the pauldrons of the power armor. At least that gives some reasons for the Uber shoulders everyone seems to have.
Mag pouches and micro grenade dispensers or gunna get annihilated on the fronts and sides of the armour. Kind of point of heavyweight armour is to get shot at. Would make more sense on the rear sides and backs. I’m also betting krak grenades go boom when shot.
Im bedridden recently for several months now and watching/learning the massive 40k lores kept me occupy and entertain during this hard time. Thank you Luetin for your hard work. Bless you. Edit: Thank you for all your wishes everyone.
I always appreciate when the lore takes logistics into account. Guy Haley did a good job in his Dark Imperium novel where Justinian Paris, an inceptor, attempts to conserve his ammunition as he makes a mental note that the resupply pods haven't dropped yet. In the later books of the series Haley also occasionally inserts ammo concerns into his stories.
In one of the Space Wolf books, one marine noticed the members of his squad were using standard Imperial Guard weapons and went fucking nuts demanding to know why they had abandoned their bolters only to find they'd ran out of ammo days ago.
@@Sunny_Jace Well the one marine was one of if not their single greatest champion (at the time) and yeah he was insanely pissed, almost attacking his brothers. It was only when he realized it was his own doing he calmed down, this was during a ritual that was slowly turning all space wolfs into feral Wulfen mind you so he was not exactly making the most sound decisions.
So Tank Commander here. We do use depleted uranium in modern Tank armor defeating rounds for all stated reasons in this video, but they are also "self sharpening" as it peals off on impact in such a way to slice through armor. ;)
@@rahmspinat I also just realized you thought I misspelled the word peel* That's why you wrote it in the comments. Pealing is the sharpening by way of forced vibration brought on by kinetic force 🤣😂 This is Way funnier now.
Dude, I love your videos. To me, noone explains the 40K universe as detailed and researched as you do. You are critical with the sources at hand and the information they give us, if it is logical or not. The vids are very often well structured, have awesome pictures and fitting music (props to the artists). Your voice is one of the best storyteller voices I ever heard. Thank you for your dedication to the emperor!
The Space Marine video game (kind of) dealt with the ammo logistics as you suggested, with numerous drop pods scattered around the levels with extra weapons etc. I now just assume that for every astartes drop pod full of marines they probably also launch a dozen or so pods that are just full of ammo, aiming them either at the same landing ground as the marines, or closer to the enemy so the marines can fight their way foward and resupply as they go.
Thats very logical and would work. I mean we do that now too in modern wars too and with their technology they would drop supliess like 1 meter accuracy so if there is battle line it would get accurate supplies non-stop
How would resupply work with boarding parties? Such as the Space Marines from the Astartes videos? Would they need guardsmen or servitors to deliver the ammunition for clearing a ship?
@@redclayscholar620 Probably, if they last that long - in most of the lore boarding actions are pretty quick, you dont expect them to be fighting for days, so they can probably carry everything they need. Have second wave reinforcements bring more if necessary. Logistics only really becomes an issue if they are deployed for an extended period, or in a mass open battle where they are firing constantly. Close quarters fighting in a ship they probably wouldnt get through ammo as fast, or have as many enemies to kill.
You've been on a tear with the videos recently man, legion of the damned is one of my favourite videos you've done. i hope your keeping on top of your health and all that. Cheers.
I can personally attest that anyone going into combat, even those who don't plan on being in combat long, will carry as much ammo as they can. Even if you don't plan on being in combat long, the situation often doesn't go along with your plan so you wanna be prepared for a longer engagement.
Regarding ammunition, I distinctly recall the Horus Heresy books covering this at least somewhat. During the disastrous mission to Davin that the Luna Wolves undertook prior to the Heresy, the narration indicated the Astartes filling and refilling the magazines for their bolters via some automatic "ammo hoppers" installed in the Stormbird troop carriers they landed in. Thunderhawks presumably would also have those, being as they are a quick-and-dirty down-sized copy of Stormbirds. I would also presume that some Astartes legions and chapters have some equipment drop pods with which to resupply their troops for extended engagements - it would seem out of character for, say, the Imperial Fists to not plan their logistics to allow for such.
I'm glad you mentioned this, I read those HH books and I really really enjoyed the earlier books, like the first 8. Captain Loken also made a habit of switching to semi auto whenever he made a mag dump, which I thought was pretty cool and something I can definitely see a Space Marine doing lol
Inquisitor Martyr kind of sucked when it first came out but with updates it became a really good game. Highly recommend for anyone who likes Warhammer 40k and Diablo style games.
@@Fedorahatter Yeah I managed to gete some of the in-game currency through weekly challenges, bought the DLC with that and it was usually one or three missions of just more killing Xenos and Heretics.
Yeah just got my heavy flamer crit crusader to lvl100, what a bloody grind it was now that the meme virus is nerfed to last only one mission but I have thoroughly enjoyed every moment of burning heretics, traitors and xenos scum to ashes in the name of the Emperor!!
Anyone ever notice that the Bolter is basically a perfected Gyrojet? Interesting that. A nearly forgotten, failed gun from history becoming the staple of 40k
Yep, always reminded me of a up-scaled gyrojet. Thought I'd never made sense to me that the bolter, using self propelled projectiles, would have "massive recoil" and eject a spent case after firing.
@@Frozenwinter84 They are cartridge based projectiles. Basically a grenade launcher who's grenades become self propelled... like a grenade launcher. The MK18 has fairly nasty recoil, but its manageable by human beings. So... having recoil? Yes. Having the insane recoil of a bolter? Unlikely.
@@thalastianjorus that was my thinking. Some recoil, sure, makes sense. But if the bulk of the energy is coming from the Bolts own propellant then felt recoil during firing should be minimal. Not dislocated shoulders level. Also, it's the 41st millennium and they haven nailed caseless ammo yet? But hey, it's warhammer. HUGE RECOIL makes the bolt gun sound cooler and spent cases ejecting look cooler in artwork.
In my old rogue trader campaign i was the gm, one of the characters who played a rogue trader had a praetorian guard squad of 100 very well trained guards in human power armour all armed with human balanced bolters. It always caused human civilizations to fall all over themselves when he turned up with them in tow.
Someone in the 40k lore subreddit covered the logistics of the lasgun. Basically if they used bullets they wouldn't be able to load as many guns onto shipments: which is very important to equip the Imperial Guard when the Imperium is oft said to be a million worlds
on ammo, in the novel 'deathwatch' the kill team have a number of servitors with them carrying ammo. they leave them at rendezvous points and some get ripped apart by genestealers, but even so there are several scenes where they swap ammo around edit: also deuterium, as an isotope of hydrogen, is still highly flammable and explosive
I just got done pulling out and organizing all my 40k stuff after not doing anything with it in months and started painting. I'm pleased to have just noticed this, these are always great to paint to. The inquisitior game looks pretty sick, I'm going to have to consider buying and playing it tonight. Thanks man!
Its ok, but I'd wait for a sale. At least do your research before buying. They improved a lot but its still not even close to Diablo in quality, even if the WH40K skin elevates it quite a bit.
@@belsamethtaken4107 that's too bad. honestly all I was hoping for was a 40k diablo clone. Even if it was a good Diablo clone $50 is pretty steep for something like that. I'll be keeping an eye on the price though because it does at least look cool.
I can only recommend the game, got about 500 h in the game. There is lots of build variety across the 4 classes, if you play on pc there is also another class coming in 2 weeks or so.
I think my favorite part of this was talking about the Vulcan cannons and how can they possibly not run out of ammo in a instant? We then move onto what a bolt round actually is and never answer that question.
I picture logistic servators and mechanicus moving close behind and dragging bags of ammo or hover cabinets full of reloads being fed to space marines on the battlefield. Or maybe large ammo drops in various areas.
makes sense during the crusade/heresy where the legions always had mechnicus elements embedded with them but in 40k chapters tend to operate as separate entity's.. i assumed it came under the techmarines list of responsibility's.. come to think of it its kind of odd there isn't a dedicated logistic marine class lol
I believe I read in one of the HH novels that Space Marine detachments usually had a squadron of stormbirds drop behind the marines for an ammo drop, and then the marines simply rotated to the back if they needed resupply. My memory could be failing me so take it with a grain of salt
So I went and found the numbers because I was wondering if the gods of lore did research and discovered something about Deuterium. Nope. It just sounds like a really dense metal. Depleted uranium has a density of about 19g/cm3. Solid deuterium has a density of 0.2059g/cm3. Depleted uranium is 92x denser than solid deuterium. For reference cork has a density of 0.25g/cm3, it is less dense than cork.
Crack on Luetin, I am so chuffed to see you getting all these 40k gaming company gigs. It's outstanding to see that they recognize the quality of your work, and the value of your channel for marketing to the 40k community!
Now I'm imagining that metalic Dueterium is somehow inclined to stay metallic once forged, but also becomes radioactive for a bit and needs to shed at least some of the spare neutrons for a bit before depleting into an incredibly dense round core that can be rigged for a nuke blast in a pinch
About ammo, in 'Dark Imperium' the issue is at least touched upon once, when primaris inceptors make landfall: "Assault bolters were powerful weapons, but if used unwisely they would run through their ammunitions stores in seconds. Justinian checked his fury. The resupply pods had yet to land." p.119-120. I believe later on there is again mention of the pods, once they land.
43:11 The Space Marine video game does exactly this! I like your ideas about scouts and cherubs carrying ammo, too. Honestly, I always assume that the Imperium simply omits these kinds of things from their stories, to focus more on the holy warriors of the emperor. Ammo bearers are around on the battlefield, they're just not mentioned.
Many times "normal" people think thas astartes capture whole planets, but don't know/understand that there is always millions of astra militarum typer of soldiers that capture/keep ground long after astartes have moved off the planet. Astartes are more like special forces shock troops that do heavy stuff, but they won't hold planet by them self. So its pretty clear that chapter serfs and scouts would do ammo refill on other things and whole military pool (hundred of thousands-millions) would add to that.
honestly kinda makes sense, Unless its a story about logistics than it wont get mentioned. Cinema has done this for years, You never see the hours of upkeep Maverick's jet fighter needs after a mission. *note unless the story is about a holdout situation, In which case you will see mention of ammo running low. Possibly some person tosses a mag and says to make em count.
My two cents on the topic... On the absence of iron sights, scopes and stocks on human-scale bolters: since Space Marines are specialized in hit-and-run attacks and close combat in confined places like fortifications and spaceship corridors, it's not expected that most bolters will be used at long range, and therefore don't usually need classic aiming elements. As Luetin mentions, the helmet's interface, armor's ability to absorb recoil and the wearer's own genetic enhancements are probably enough to pinpoint enemys at normal ranges; the use of buttstocks to give extra stability does not seem necessary either, and the rounded shoulder pads of most Astartes armor would prevent their use anyways. So most Space Marines din't use any kind of external sight and that's fine, but on the other hand some illustrations did show Space Marines (both Tactical and specialists) wielding bolters with telescopic sights or lasers; Primaris MkII "Cawl" pattern bolters have a very wide front post but no rear sight, and what appears to be some RIS/Picatinny rail of sorts mounted on top, wich could be used to mount laser designators, thermal sights or other types of aiming aids. That's kinda weird... On the lack of spare bolter ammo on most Space Marine figures: if most Space Marines carry their bolters as a primary weapon with a single magazine of 20 or 30 bolts, that's a big problem. This will not last long even for hit-and-run tactics, nor defending a trench for an entire day against hundreds of xenos. The idea of Explorers or Servitors constantly hauling ammo to their Tactical Marine brothers on the front lines is also problematic, as lacking the armor and life support system of a Tactical Marines it's unlikely that this kind of support units could keep up... so a belt with a couple of mags per figure would do the trick. In any case and as Luetin said, the fact that most of the units lack visible ammunition in their respective figures is probably due to that in the balance between realism and aesthetics, GW opted for the latter. On the lack of secondary melee weapons on Marines equipped with bolters as a primary option: very few Marine figures that use bolters also carry chainswords or sheathed daggers. Considering the low ammo capacity of bolters and the absence of spare ammunition readily available, and unless Tactical Marines know some 40k Kung Fu of sorts, fist fighting larger and more ferocious races like Orks or Tyranids looks like a bad idea. But again, I think that in this particular topic GW has decided to prioritize aesthetics over realism: if all figures had to carry all necessary equipment for their respective missions (food, water, ammunition, trench tools, battery packs, etc.), they would not look like heroic space warriors, but the Michelin man. On the principle of operation of bolter weapons and composition of the ammunition itself: if I'm not mistaken, bolter principle of operation is very similar of any contemporary assault rifle like an AR-15 or AKM: by pressing the trigger a bullet is fired (bolt in this case) through a rifled barrel, and part of the gases from the shot are reused to expel the empty case and load a new shot. Considering the extremely short barrel of most bolters, a prerequisite for moving with ease in the confined spaces of ships and fortresses where Marines often operate, the bolt will not get its lethality from a high muzzle velocity (it would need a longer barrel for that) but from its big mass and/or explosive charge. So yes, a bolter is not a long-range precision weapon, rather some kind of automatic "shotgun" with detachable magazines firing big slugs, like a Saiga 12. Considering that the caliber of the bolt is stated to be 0.75 inches, it is perfectly plausible that the projectile tip has an armor-piercing cap or high-explosive compound, like most 20mm autocannon ammo of contemporary Oerlikons or CIWS have. Also striking is the fact that all human-scale bolters I've seen had what looks like a muzzle brake at the end of the barrel, i.e. a muzzle with holes in the sides to redirect the exploding gases from the cartridge and reduce the feeling of recoil. That's a nice touch. And about the "deuterium core" matter... whatever. Sounds cool, so I'm fine with it ;)
I love that bit about drum mags being unreliable. To think 40 000 years into the future...we still haven't figured out how to make reliable drum mags. We've got FTL and inumerable other advanced tech...but reliable drums mags are a mystery.
Man, if we think that irradiated battlefields are bad, just imagine the type of battlefield a clip of vortex rounds leaves behind. Yeah your enemies are dead, but reality itself has holes punched in it all over the battlefield
I know it's 3weeks late, but Uranium also has self sharpening property when going through an armored target, improving the armor penetration by quite a lot
I chose to believe that Deuterium is either A) an alloy/advanced material that coincidentally is translated from High Gothic with the same word as the hydrogen isotope, or B) bolters actually shoot mini hydrogen bombs that detonate on impact.
Tiny addition to segment regarding bolts composition - iirc on at least couple occasions there were mentioned that Mechanicus vessels which support Astartes fleets, as well as spacemarines themselves in case of necessity can and will produce bolts from whatever material they have available around, so composition can be reasonably different.
It'd be cool if they just had bolter magazines maglocked to every possible space on their front side; everywhere they could reach. Makes me want to make a Space Marine miniature with like 30 mags just glued all on his chest/arms etc. Like an age of sail captain with 6 pistols on their chest. Would probably look sick if you did it right.
You could also do something similar with terminators and have massive belts of bolt rounds making an X shape around their torso, like a belt around their waist, and linked to a heavy bolter in one hand
The bolt round argument could be solved by capitalizing the "D" in Deuterium, making it a bolt created in the Deuterium (system) style. Maybe they had a hand in the recreation of the original round. Who knows?
Someone asked me about the bolters, after my explanation she asked me if such an overpowered weapon was really necessary, I then showed her the tyranids and orks, she then admitted that they might not be overpowered enough. When everything in the galaxy that tries to eat you, at best, is overpowered, your weapons can't be overpowered.
And I mean if we forget all the exotic materials used in the rounds they kinda just look like similar size to 20mm ammo we as a real humans already use but we use more powder behind it. Oh yeah and high-explosive incendiary armor-piercing rounds do exist :D and depleted uranium is one option for the armor piercing properties.
Spare bolter mags are stasis/maglocked to the underside of the astartes power armor pauldron, it's why the pauldrons are so big and the boltermags/ammo impervious to harm or even environment deterioration.
Every time I see or read something in fiction where it's like "Ordinary bullets don't hurt the enemy", my mind immediately goes to bolters. Mass-reactive shells are a solution to a wide variety of alien, robot, and monster problems.
If the intent of the core is to bolster penetration, then uranium sounds better because that is used in armor piercing Sabot rounds. If detonation is the key purpose, then they probably picked deuterium because they heard it in a book about atomics and thought it sounded cool
Inquisitor Martyr is the second most played game on my Steam account with over 400 hours. I am totally stoked for the addition of Sororitas characters.
Hey Luetin, I just watched this movie called Fantastic Fungi. And it has some amazing things to say, and isn’t just a documentary on mushrooms. It’s not at all what you’d expect and it made me think of warhammer. Gave me model ideas and effected the way I see the world. Also I thought of the orks and tyranids, as well as humans and the similarities are astounding.
Little bit of Fudd lore for you. A 12ga shotgun round is about .75 caliber which is also close to 20mm cannon rounds. Based on scale (eyeballing a 10' supersoldier and a magazine that looks like a shotgun mag) some of the smaller 20mm rounds might be a better comparison. The two-stage round makes a bit of sense as it would solve a few problems with "gyrojet" style ammo, specificly the low muzzle velocity and reliability problems. The same thought process is used on the javelin missile to reduce recoil and backblast. I kind of want to make my own "bolter" rounds to try it out... On a side note depleted uranium isn't that radioactive. Most of the spicy bits have been stripped out (hence "depleted") leaving it only mildly radioactive. It is also an alpha source so it isn't dangerous radioactively unless you eat it. Bigger problem on the battlefield is that it is just straight up toxic and produces fun, easily absorbed oxides when it hits something solid, like tank armor.
Bolters are the most iconic weapons in scifi. Fight me. They are the only reason that after 30 years of barely noticing tabletop games, 40k stuck in my mind, and eventually became the hobby it is for me today(Embrace the Void). The sheer brilliance of the design work on the bolt gun is magnificent. It sticks in your mind like nothing else does and nothing else will. I even converted my primary flywheel blaster for pro-level nerfing into a Carcharodon bolt pistol. The feel of it in your hand truly feels like an instrument of holy wrath. Exactly like you took a blessed warhammer and converted it into a scifi gun.
I love how he starts to touch upon how to keep up with how fast these weapons chew thru ammo at the beginning...ANNND take a right turn in the video and just nopes out of that conversation.
For comparison, the famous A-10 Warthog airplane has enough ammo IIRC for either 10 or 20 seconds of firing before it has to fly home and resupply. Those 10 or 20 seconds are absolutely devastating though. Typically fired in 1 second bursts IIRC. The gatling gun produces so much recoil that the "thrust" it produces is equal to one of the two jet engines in reverse.
I have two thoughts on 'depleted deuterium' 1. The biggest issue I have with 'depleted deuterium' is that it is just hydrogen. The depletion of the deuterium would just be the loss of the neutron that makes it deuterium in the first place. 2. The 'depleted deuterium' could be just the neutron from the deuterium. From that it could be harvested from neutron stars, where even a 1mmx1mm cube in a bullet would be extremely heavy
Actually I might have a idea why they used deuterium, Gundam is the father of real robots, it was Aired in 1978 If not mistaken. and one of the things that it specified and shows is the reaction of a Minovsky Particle generator that uses Deuterium and breaks it down into Helium 4, anyway maybe the one in charge of that part thought it would be cool to add that word, but Depleted Deuterium might refer to Light waters in Nuclear Reactors. I remembered this because I'm a gunda fan and once did read about reactors, But my guess is that they just used what sounded cool XD.
Deuterium doesn't break down into helium, instead they combine together. Also light water is pretty much just normal water so I feel it was just a writer putting cool words on paper.
@@lemons1559 I'm stating as in the gundam wiki and the knowledge I have from reactors in 2003, Light water has small traces of deuterium. and yes Deuterium does break into Hydrogen in a Minovsky Particle reactor, obviously in actual tech it is not, mentally limited person. learn to read before you talk. Kids nowadays,I could guide you to some pages but meh just find on your own. to put it short the first reactors do the fusion, that is what you know. but the later stages of minovsky generators did break Deuterium into Hydrogen to recombine and do a Sustained Chain, that is why they were more efficient and generated more power, I'm talking about gundam not actual science you person who is quite limited, of course we do not have such tech is is only theorical. go read and you can find that Deuterium can be broken down into Hydrogen even being an Isotope. seriously kids nowadays.(had to edit insults in youtube XD).
@@bernhardvonbarret1729 now you state that in gundam lore a deuteron breaks down into hydrogen for it to fuse into hydrogen. Your claim in the above comment was that a deuteron breaks down into helium, which it can not do. You proved my point. Also I saw my typo in my original comment. I was supposed to say deuterium does not break down into hydrogen which you say it did.
It's possible that the Depleted deuterium is a different substance than the real thing, in Starcraft the Terrans have a metal called Vanadium, which isn't like the real metal, but still has the same name.
Likewise, promethium in 40K has nothing to do with the element Promethium (no. 61 on the periodic table). Promethium, the element in real life, is an extremely rare radioactive element. What the Imperium refers to as promethium is basically petrol in space.
Yeah, the names of things in Low Gothic (40k English) is mysterious in a few cases. Laser guns should not have recoil, yet lasguns have recoil. Their projectiles have also been described as arm's-length spears of light... so they're not laser weapons, not really. But then, what are they? They're lasguns.
To me the ammunition supply chain is similar to that scenes in Matrix 3, where a guy, a wheelbarrow and some guards go into the battlefield to reload the weapons of the mechas. In 40k with slaves, servitors and other specialized machinery, you can constantly supply ammunition and other equipment to the front lines, specially at the begining of a conflict.
I imagine the deuterium was used in a similar fashion as depleted uranium. One of the clues being that it's used to catalyse reactions in reactors. Depleted uranium is used in modern munitions including the 30mm cannon on the A-10 warthog and can larger cannons used on tanks. The use of the uranium being to increase the mass of the round to increase penetration and kinetic energy. It sounds like the deuterium has a similar purpose
It'd be nifty to hear a story of some Gaurdsmen using an Astartes bolter as a heavy weapon platform after the SM was killed and the IG were black on ammo.
bolters are stupid you heard. and now I've got enough hate mail let me explain: the "missive recoil" that keeps these being used by regular people shouldn't be an issue, this is because once the round is ejected from the weapon in the fist stage most of the delta-v of the round is in it's jets, you don't actually need a lot of force before the gryoget kicks in, you could have the initial blast be so low the gyrojet happens in the barrel which would make it more accurate because you would have the propulsion happen in the barrel, so having 200 of these in a IG regiment should be no issue if you let them be made in bulk at a forge world instead of relying on autist tech priests to make them one at a time. but the rounds are still slow and don't actually have the pentation power of a regular gun, owing to having 4x the mass but only 1.5 the psi as worked out by some dude on reddit, so even if you had a regiment of IG with bolt guns and in-tact arms they wouldn't be great for anything with armor, the first time a traitor astartes showed up they would apparently be nigh invulnerable, like what happened with the drop site massacre also, being covered head to toe with mag-locked spare mags probably isn't the 200IQ play people give it credit for, given that any stray round could ignite a magazine of ammunition literally stuck to the outside of the marine, who lets not forget wears pottery
Hey Luetin, how about a 'Top 5 questions I would ask the emperor (if I could summon him from the warp)' video? It would be interesting to hear what you would ask.
I did enjoy the very in-depth explanation of the ammunition feed systems capacity. Incredibly informative! Soooo, moving on.... 🤣 Edit: There is also another good reason for using a primary charge to eject the round before the rocket motor ignites. Well, two really, though it's not likely to be a problem for those running around in armor. But it is the same principle as many RPGs. The primary charge gets the projectile far enough away from the user so the rocket motor doesn't burn them. The second reason is one of the failures of the Gyrojet rifle and pistol designed and tested during the Vietnam war. The round was nearly useless at close range since it took time for the projectile to accelerate to its final velocity. Obviously Gyrojet rounds didn't explode, but it took a good 10 to 15 yards or so before it had built up enough speed to be effective. I may be a bit off on that as it isn't often anyone gets a chance to shoot one of those. While the actual firearms themselves are fairly rare, there are still a number of them around. The ammunition on the other hand, is far, FAR more rare and incredibly expensive when it does show up for sale. Fortunately, Taofledermaus was given the opportunity a few years back to fart around with a viewer's gun and make a video of it. Super cool to watch if you get a minute. But that is about as close to a Bolter as anyone is going to get in the real world at the moment. But I just write off all the technicalities and allow for suspension of belief. It's Sc-Fi. While it is nice when the technology of it does make sense, it doesn't have to. It is fiction after all.
I disagree that we just leave the sci-fi clunky, As we continue in our understanding of technology and sci-fi, especially 40k it's technology should be specifically changed, it should level up basically as we current humans do. For example slight design differences to astartes aircraft with instead of just being a turbofan is a combination of maybe anti-matter, rocket and turbofan mix. This isn't breaking the universe, because it's not changing the outlying story, you could argue changing lore, but lets be honest, Cawl makes zero sense in terms of who, what, how and when, Lutin points this out and he himself almost certainly has headcanoned certain aspects of and so have most of the 40k community. Technology change, especially the most understandable current explanation we can give of it can only improve the 40k lore. Deterium as he goes on to talk about and has pointed out is either so obscure that it has no explanation and second doesn't make sense, changing it to uranium seems an appropriate move as it is something that makes sense. And again if there's a reason I'm not a fan of magic, I like some logic, sure 40k is illogical, but human in the need to survive will be as logical as possible.
@@tarektechmarine8209 I never said it shouldn't be grounded in reality. I just don't think it is necessary to sit and dwell upon what already is. Half of the ammunition fired by the bolter themselves are a physical impossibility anyway. Does anyone really believe a 3/4 inch tube of metal fired out of a gun can actually contain enough bits and bobs to rip a hole in the fabric of reality or generate what amounts to a collapsing black hole? No, of course not. Not to mention the intricacies of popping random black holes all over the battlefield. Nor would it even come close to so much as denting the multi-inch thick diamond-like hard armor of the combat vehicles/power suits represented in the lore. If you have even the slightest understanding of how ballistics work, it's an obvious stretch of the imagination that requires a complete suspension of belief. On the other hand, if it didn't, it would a mighty boring for the lore/game. It is what it is. If it does bother people enough, then petition to change it. Maybe they will listen. But after 20 some years of it being in the lore, I'm not going to dwell on it. That is just going to lead down an enormous rabbit hole from which you will never emerge.
On ammo supply, I think it was part of the Soul Drinkers series of books, but they did have a situation in which they ended up getting stuck in and were low on supplies, in which Marines had to start scavenging weapons including a comical depiction of marines using Lasguns.
Isn’t the replication of gene-seed it’s own downfall? The mass manufacture of the gene-seed organ leading to inevitable replication errors and mutations?
Yes, it technically is still done. But the process is not easy and again why normal tech won't work here is because the deal the emperor made won't let normal tech just work on it.
The game "Space Marine" had resupply pods dropped ahead of the player. My head canon is this: The drop tech is good enough to be pin point accurate. In the event of void superiority, the pods will be fired to requested points. If the drop must be done quickly, then the squad will predesignate resupply points, and the supply pods launch at the same time as the drop pods to those predetermined locations.
Boltguns are very cool, but the idea completely falls apart if you make the mistake of looking too close. The same thing is true of the plethora of Gatling-type weapons. Some things are better viewed from afar.
Gatling weapons exist in the real world, and they are totally awesome. The GE M-134 Minigun is perhaps the most famous example. The bigger gun on the A-10 Warthog also kicks ass.
@@hewdelfewijfe I'm well aware of them existing, the issue is that they make no sense on a ground vehicle. The A-10 can fire for less than 20 seconds before it has used up all its ammo. The only advantage of a gatling gun over a regular machine gun is that rate of fire. But if you have a ground vehicle firing 4000 rounds a minute (66 a second) you will run out of ammo very fast, then what will you do? And if your guns have a caliber of lets say 155mm, the titan mounted ones seem to be a lot larger, it would be sending out 2.8 metric tons of projectiles a second. But even the smaller ones are still silly. Lets say they are 30mm, then they would be pushing out 26kg a second, 1,5 tons a minute. This is only the weight of the projectile leaving the gun and not the complete cartridge. Gatling guns on ground vehicles are silly. They do look cool tho.
An underrated reason why Lasguns are used over Bolters for the Guard - Logistics. Each Guardsmen only needs 4 power packs for their entire (possibly very brief) career. Vs even a single campaign could mean 1 Guardsmen could use a pallet's worth of Autogun bullets/ Bolter shells. Expand that to a full regiment -> a full Crusade -> Sector -> the Imperium as a whole . . . that's a Lovecraftian tier logistical nightmare. Fuck that. Give a Guardsmen 4 grim dank Duracell batteries and send him off to fight alien horrors. Emperor protects.
I’m very new to 40k and started watching your videos after playing Darktide. After watching this video, I’m wondering why us lowly convicts turned spelunkers of Tertium are allowed to use bolters in our missions. These are obviously smaller scale bolsters as we are not astartes, but how can the Imperium afford to hand out so many bolters and bolt ammo to us lowly soldiers?
The real life gun with self propelled ammo, the gyrojet, had a lot of problems. One of the big ones being that the projectile wasn't really moving very fast as it left the weapon. Like you might be able to stop it by putting your finger in the barrel. So probably for the best that the lore says Bolters us a conventional charge in addition to the rocket.
A note on the whole caseless thing, the closest IRL relative to bolters would be gyrojets, a prototype from the 1960s, but one of their very many issues was that at extreme close range the bullet was going slow enough to basically be harmless. The bolter's initial propellant charge is likely just as much to allow it to be used at close range, at least it'd seem like.
I think it's a mix of both, cause once you add propellent to the bullet it becomes a faster, straighter (if possible) bullet, giving stupid range advantage.
Yup. Bolters suffer none of the drawbacks of real life gyrojets. The initial charge is extremely powerful and can penetrate heavy armor at point blank range (unlike gyrojets, which were known to literally bounce off close targets.) _”With a backhand slap he knocked the plasma pistol from the sergeant’s hand, sending it spinning across the deck floor and _*_planted the barrel of his bolt pistol against the White Consul’s chest plate,_*_ right over his primary heart._ _‘See you in hell,’ said Khalaxis, and he squeezed the trigger._ _It took three shots to penetrate the thick power armour and the bonded ribcage of the White Consul, but the fourth detonated within the warrior’s chest cavity, pulping the organs within. Still, the Consul was Astartes, and did not die. He continued to grapple with Khalaxis, who pounded his fist repeatedly into the White Consul’s helmet, shattering one lens and caving in his rebreather.”_ *- Dark Creed, pg. 47*
@@tarektechmarine8209 The MBAssociates Gyrojet rockets also had horrendous accuracy. Part of this was due to poor quality control--it was the 1960s, so no CNC machines. And MBAssociates was also a rather small company. The Gyrojet ammunition relied on four angled venturi ports to stabilize the projectile. If you've ever used a drill press, you'll know that drilling an angled hole precisely in a small surface isn't easy... and drilling four of them with the same angle is even harder. With contemporary technology, we could probably 3D-print better Gyrojets. So why don't we have bolters nowadays? Well, besides the cost of such ammunition, the accuracy issues would still be there, if not worsened by the two-stage design of bolt shells. If the projectile is slightly off-target once it leaves the muzzle, the rocket motor kicking in will send it even further off. Moreover, I'm not exactly sure of how one would effectively stabilize the projectile, which, unlike a bullet, is losing mass in flight. Conventional bullets can already suffer instability when moving from supersonic to subsonic velocities, and a bolt shell--unless it had some sort of guidance and course correction system--would be even worse. Of course, the Mechanicus has solved all these problems (except the cost one) tens of thousands of years ago.
Regarding Space Marines facing ammo issues: In one of the Space Wolf novels a Great Company stuck in a protracted meatgrinder is shown to have run out of bolter ammunition and resorting to guard-issue las weapons and heavy stubbers as well as just about anything they can scavenge on the battlefield.
Can you do a video on your collection of source material? I would love to see your library. Whenever I think of the Black Library in 40k I assume it is your collection of source material that the Harlequins have stashed away in the warp.
I like how the Custodes had ammo thrall servitors that would refill their spears then throw it back to them. It was described in the webway fight that had the emperor fighting the original sin Drach'nyen
The deuterium part is probably an callback to an old sci-fi concept of a nuclear pistol bullet, where a bullet is filled with a material that will start an explosive fission or fusion reaction just by reaching critical mass. This material is stretched so that is just below this critical mass and will reach it by being compressed on impact.
I see bolter rounds as 40mm gyro jet rockets that have a two stage propellant similar to the Javelin Missile. In other words, these things can be very real in our world.
The comic timing of the "so moving on" after discussing the strangeness of these weapons not running out of ammo made me laugh like a looney. I probably scared the people on the bus
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It would be a 3 stage projectile. 1st stage is the normal bullet-like propellant that fires the bolt out of the barrel. 2nd stage is the rocket propulsion igniting and further accelerating the bolt forward. 3rd stage is the explosive payload meant to impale the penetrating tip of the bolt if it can not penetrate entirely to explode within the target.
funny enough, in the german version its a uranium core. And I just fished out the old gear book of 2nd edition. And it was funny to remember that orks used to have bolt weapons too xD
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