40k Lore The Chainsword! Could it Work? And Why it Absolutely Does in 40k! 

Someone get this inquisitive mind a forge world!

PURGE THEM IN FLAME BOTHERS!

MY FACE IS MY SHIELD

It all makes sense! Witches are also made from wood!

Logiked like a feminist. Impressive xD

Things like power weapons (blades wrapped in force fields) are better for dealing with armor, as the force field disintegrates the armor as you swing (better for Tyranids). With fleshier enemies like Orks, the chainsword is superior for RIP AND TEAR. With the Tau, just the notion of melee combat is terrifying for them. When dealing with Chaos, the threat can manifest right next to you. When dealing with Eldar, they’re very fragile, so you can cause them much damage. And against fellow humans, humans can be rather unpredictable. For Chaos, Khorne loves it, it gives a superior sensation for Slaaneshi to enjoy, the cuts can easily be infected by a Nurglite, and who the fuck knows what Tzeentch wants. For the Eldar, it’s an elegant form of combat. For the Dark Eldar, such magnificent pain can be inflicted in melee. The Orks find it very Orky.

That argument alone dealt massive damage to an orks brain.

For the boltguns thirst for ammo, the flamer for promethium, the lasgun a charge pack.

@@openaardvark419 plus, in a place where the things you are fighting are capable of crossing a 100m in the blink of an eye, you want a melee option. Especially when fighting in any area where distances aren't guaranteed (cities, jungles, ships, buildings, etc.). Unless you are wielding something like a flamer, shooting won't help you at all if you get up close to an enemy in 40k.

Simple: Points at oncoming Tyranid swarm. Those fuckers aren’t going to be standing back and shooting at us the whole time. Then points at Ork Rok crashing through the atmosphere, and THOSE bastards love to get in close and personal, even when they have artillery emplacements.

Titan melee fights are a thing

@@MrKittyyumyum I know. Even in a world where your cannons can spit heat enough to make a sun explode, swords can still be a thing. But still, look at a Titan's chainsword and tell me they're not either compensating for something or it was just made to cleave through mountains. It just so happens that some of those mountains also move and shoot.

Logic 101,

@@lyravain6304 yah when that mountain is spitting fire and roaring at you i think its justified haha

Xenos Titans: No, you cant just use a giant Chainsword, that's stupid! Imperial Titans: Haha, Chainsword go *BRRRRRT*

**Khorne Berserker Smiles**

Chainswords, because you gotta be cutting shit, while cutting shit XD

It's true. They made a giant life size robot war contest on youtube at some point, and the Chainsword is the only melee weapon that is able to slowly chew into the enemy robot. All the other melee weapons only gets 1 hit in befor the robot arms lock each other into stalemate, but the chainsword kept cutting and cutting and cutting.

25:00 - 26:00 Now I want to play a video game that does chain sword dueling that allow one to change the chain speeds or reverse the direction of the chain during the duel. Preferably first person and as different roles such as Space Wolf, Blood Angels, Imperial Guardsman, Commissars, SOB etc. with different variants. If done right, I bet that will be awesome!

Now try to imagine what the gigantic versions like Rogal Dorn's Storm's Teeth or Angron's Gorefather would do to a person.

Belisarius Cawl: "My lord Guilliman, I have made an artificer chain sword into a power weapon!" Roboute Guilliman: "I'm beginning to question why you seem able to improve upon everything my father did." Belisarius Cawl: "That depends on your definition of "Improve."" Roboute Guilliman: "What?" Belisarius Cawl: "What?"

Justice for Daisy!

ROFL. Nuff said ...

It was to my shock and horror had i learned recently that Berserk powerup in Doom2 doesn't work with chainsaw. Sad khornate noises...

@@Self-replicating_whatnot Axe out, Quad Damage on Ranger: am i joke to you?

You forget that is how every chainsaw works, the sides serve as a guide to manage the torsion and keep the rotating motion uni-directional. A chainsword's teeth are going to be capable of chain tilting if we can do it in real life, they will be pulling and ripping and tearing with the force of a sci fi engine. Some artists exaggerate the side plates but some artists exaggerate the thickness of a bolter barrel as well and no one is out here pretending that bolters aren't high enough caliber. There is absolutely zero reason why a chain sword can't exist with the technology presented. It is even much more logical to use chains as blades for the exact same reason we use them over solid blades. Arch is mistaken about how chainsaws work, how tough materials can be, and the physics involved at the cutting point. No one is pretending that a dagger that moves with dark eldar speed is weaker than a normal dagger but it really sounds like arch thinks that a big piece of steel cuts better than a small one moving fast. That is backwards of how physics works, chainswords are more brutal cutters and have more durable cutting edges as each damaged edge has many backups opposed to a sword. These are the realities of chainsaws that make them more efficient cutters in reality. Bone saws too... He made the same mistakes in his bolter video way back when, he went over the top making it seem unrealistic and over the top when it's really the logical advancement seen through modern eyes ala bullpups for rifles. Modern artillery is right now today using bolter rounds in 1st order militaries and arch said a few years ago it was comically stupid and useless! He does it to make the rest of the video hit harder but that's exaggeration of "it can't be real" is just not accurate. Remember that most daggers guards are NOT to guard your hand when you block with your dagger, they are to make sure your blade doesn't go too deeply into your target! When you tear something open don't you hold one side still as you rip the other? Trust and believe, the small amount of thickness added doesn't reduce it's cutting ability as much as you think. And it's broad blade helps it's penetration! It's just physics

​@@BeKindToBirds A functional blade must have its cutting edge wider than what is behind it to pass through. That is simple physics and no matter how unexaggerated the frame is, the fact that it is still there, obstructing the cut, won't change. You can easily observe this on chainsaws as well, where the width of the chain matches or extends over the edge of the guide bar and it has no further objects around the blade. What 40K chainswords have is not a guide bar it is a block. Its function is more similar to a circular saw, at least if you do not ignore its design on the insistent notion that they can make it work because its sci-fi. The imperium nolonger has matter phasing technology, nor would it invest it in making their melee weapons work when they could just take the frame off and leave it simply as a chainsaw on a stick, as it should be. TLDR; The frame is not the guide bar of a chainsword and it is non existent on chainsaws, which makes them functional. No amount of scifi handwavium will change a design flaw, or rather the design do not matching the lore.

@@padalan2504 That isn't true, things separate into a V shape as you apply force in a wedge, especially flesh. And again, it is a matter of artists, no one makes the same comparison with bolter caliber because it's stupid. We all know that in reality the size and shape of a bigger is going to be more consistent and different than what's on models and art and it doesn't mean that space Marines are shooting grapes because on one piece of art the holes are drawn small or on a model the hole is drilled tiny. It is a stupid hangup on ARTISTS, and has absolutely nothing to do with the lore of the chainsword.

@@BeKindToBirds once again, not how a chainsaw, or any saw for that matter, works. it applies no force sideway, like a blade would, it does not act as a wedge, that's why it does not split things, and the shape of the chain blades is not going to change that as the cutting force is applied away from the cut object, not forcing its way through it. That is why it's important to have the chain carry away the debris it cut off, because it cannot simply push through. And applying more force into the target does not make it cut faster, the speed of the chain does. The argument of apparent different callibers on models is null, as it does not apply here. The gun still has a hole through which the rocket propelled rounds can exit. The chainsword features a design flaw that would be the equivalent of having a bulletproof target hovering in front of the barrel of the bolt gun a foot away from the barrel at all times. It it isn't a matter of art missing a detail (like having the barrel at the right caliber), it is a matter of the design not aligning with what the art is supposed to portray. (A saw blade that cannot work as described, one which would only ever scrape the target to a given depth as the presence of the frame does not allow for more penetration.) Even if you make the blades angled, as that just reduces the amount of blades that can take away material from a single spot and spreads it, creating a sub par device to a simpler design. A saw does not need a mudguard, it actively sabotages its function and purpose.

@@padalan2504 An artist can draw wider teeth and a narrower body dude. You are endlessly arguing like chainsaws don't work and I'm just looking here at chainsaws being a reality and confused. I don't think you really understand how swords cut either, I mean go cut steak with a flat edged butter knife with some basic cog type serrations and now imagine sawing with razor sharp teeth and much more speed and pressure with the same width of knife and very tiny little teeth. Are you really going to insist that adding the teeth makes it cut worse? And at what point did you decide that the idea that you don't want to fully penetrate through but instead do Incredible damage and keep contact to a minimum get dropped out of reality. As if being "scraped" is not an effective way to part flesh which is flexible, under pressure, and malleable. You DO know that flat objects can be sent straight through concrete in tornadoes right? Like an egg though wooden boards literally. Or how are becomes solid at high speeds for supersonic aircraft? The word monomolecular alone should make your argument fly apart as fast as the molecular bonds under a chainsword. Do you know that ALL blades that are not mono molecular look flat from the front? Do you think that 0.001mm of flat edge vs 3mm of flat edge behave differently in a physics equation? It just changes the numbers and it really doesn't change them enough to make a difference here. Scale is all you are talking about and again, it is a monomolecular chainsaw! The definition of "pull you in and cut you" in the physics world. A flat wedge IS a shearing surface, those 90° angles aren't as deadly as more acute ones but you are out of your mind if you think some mathmatical miracle happens at a certain angle that makes it suddenly work. Don't you know that wood is MUCH harder than flesh and chainsaws already have horizontal thickness beyond the blade edge? Can you still not see that regardless of all of that it literally is still just an art decision and that there is no reason at all the blade can't be a little wider than the guide? I'm sorry mate but I'm just not certain you've really thought about this at all. Teeth aren't as wide as the jaw of the shark but it can still take whole bites out to shear and cut off pieces. The teeth for certain aren't wider than the skull so... At some point you have to realize the basic physical logic if you can't acknowledge that the problem doesn't matter anyway because it's an art detail. No one cares when a vehicle exhaust comes out the wrong side of the tank so why are you so absolutely hung up on narrow teeth on some art being the ultimate example of broken design. Because eventually you're going to have to examine how many cutting instruments in the world look like shears and not cheese wires and just how far away from your anime physics slicing ideas is needed to make a chainsaw wielded by a gorilla an effective weapon. People cut down trees with rounded river rocks my dude. Karate chop some jello and then realize what metal and flesh would do! And my guy, what sideways force does a sword have that a chainsword wouldn't? Are you saying that water can't flow up a staircase only a ramp? Even in a torrent? Self similarity in physics is a big thing man, a tiny normal blade is exactly this scaled down and the physics don't care, it just needs more force than an angle and they have a mathematical relationship. A flat edge is far better for imparting force so that flat space of 3 mm is equivalent to a ratio of the same space in angle. That's just physics. If you think a final fantasy sword can cut then so can a much much narrower and shallower angle flat piece of steel. Now put a monomolecular chainsaw halfway in it and it will cut *even better*

never enough dakka

Never enough vroom vroom

Overkill? What heresy is that?

If you think your doing overkill, your not deep enough into the fray.

Not in 40K.

I call that Dak-tropy. as time moves forward the amount of dakka in the universe tends to increase.

Yo Dawg...

@@MrKago1 That's some galaxy brain shit right there.

I see where you come from...

It is the ultimate weapon for the Sword Weilder in the game Sudeki. Leave it to brits to make the most metal weapons imaginable.

Wouldn't it be Te He Hu?

@@TheEldritchGod No. THH. And because Michael Jackson it's Te Hee Hee. Odd that I remember my thinking about this 2 years later 😁😁👍

*Induces cryostasis for 38, 000 years*

@@nicholasrandall3507 *Opens the Stasis Pod.* Ah your awake!

@@nicholasrandall3507 Thats about 10,000 years longer than needed if you go with the human era instead of common era.

Ork player?

@@derGhebbet Ironically I love the Guard...

@@Furzkampfbomber I am just amazed by your username and I am sad that there is probably no way to properly translate it so people who don't speak German can take part in that amusement...

@@annasstorybox7906 fart bomber?

@@MrKittyyumyum that's accually very very close. The word by word translation would be "fart fighter bomber". The funny part is, that it is a wordplay with "Sturzkampfbomber" (dive bomber).

it could also be translated into praise the god emporer, which is what I think arch was going for.

The chainsword...for when you just want to get up close and say hello. *vroom vroom* "Come here heretic! I only want to show you the glory of the God Emperor!

I really hope that is the inscription on Storm's Teeth, Rogal may have a redwood tree up his arse but he did have some humor.

Chris Sinclair As a Latin Student, that’s a mistranslation. It means “Hail the God Emperor.” “Ave Caesar” was just a traditional greeting in Rome.

"Ave Deus Imperator" means: "Hail the God Emperor" "Greetings from the God Emperor" would be: "Salvete a Deo Imperatore"

A... what? A chain... WHAT?

The Flesh Tearers chapter master has a chain sword that's twice the length of a normal chain sword. Which *almost* excuses the dumb chapter name in my eyes.

Michael Johnson rogal dorn also had a two handed chainsword

@@michaeljohnson778 In lore, they are named after their founder Nassir Amit's nickname, given to him by the World Eaters as he frequented their fighting pits. As in, the future Khorne Berzerkers called Amit "The Flesh Tearer".

If I'm not wrong they are called eviscerator pattern chainswords

If GW put as much effort into making 40K as Arch puts into scrutinizing it, we would actually like the company.

There are certain patterns that don't have those slabs, and the teeth are bigger, they look like a demon chainsaw mixed with a machatl. The Aztec obsidian sword thing. Those chains words are tucking way more brutal than the average chains word.

That helps the chainsword not get stuck as it tries to pull it's way through an enemy.

here have a man at arms video instead: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5gj8pAN7Y7E.html

Shadiversity also made a video on this subject.

@@muninrob i put the same link up for my own comment lol. sucks they didnt try it on something better than a jug

Look up Man at arms: Reforged on here. He made one a few years back. Should come up if you just search chainsword. Still acted more like a chainsaw but awesome nevertheless. He's done a few other cool ones too like the gunblade from FF8.

@@Will831100 me and another person mentioned that already and we both left links lol

he actually did, you can see Arch's comment there

@@sultana1maadeed450 i know. Just put this out there for those who haven't seen it yet.

they did and it was a bit crap good effort but a bit crap

@@colinscutt5104 Care to elaborate which part was crap in your opinion (apart from the blatant lack of lore knowledge about things like the Aquila etc.)? Sure, it sdoesn't have a lot to do with forging per say, but to me it is an interesting project nonetheless.

Their mistake was in trying to convert a chainsaw into a chainsword they sold have done better to go from scratch, though I think time and technical expertise were limiting factors. Those projects aren't their real business and they're blacksmiths not engineers.

Yeah but there isn't a website that could handle the curses that will be made for that video..maybe pornhub but I don't think they will awnser his emails

@@wert1234576 Bitchute doesn't care. Arch could probably get a decent audience there.

Well I am sure that despite being still segnificantly smaller than space marines I would assume that opposing what most fanarts and minis show, adeptus sorroritas are quite likely more like what it would have looked like if Brienne of Tarh joined the High Sparrows warriors... Aka more than average buff and prude women with unquestionably powerful faith and little interest in fashion or beauty...

Atleast they´re kinda hot. And not because of the excessive use of flamers.

What do you think the power armor’s for?

Nope. The Guard, Commissars, priests and even gangers use it as often if not more. After all Battle nuns and Astartes have wider access to more advanced weapons (power fielded ones)

The vast majority of Commisars are equipped with Chainsaws too, as well as at least some Imperial Guard officers. I wouldn't be surprised if the total number of commisars in the Imperium is higher than the total number of Space Marines or total number of Sororitas. Both the latter organizations are relatively small in number by WH40K standards.

Norbert Sattler They carry smaller ones though. Not nearly as powerful or heavy as the ones the Astartes and Sisters of Battle swing around like sticks.

take it from someone whos seen chainsaws hit people they don't kick back they grab and dig in.

@@kingnothing8570 on flesh and fabric yes they will. But hitting a armour plate will most likely make it kick back as the teeth will struggle to cut and dig in

Her and me both 😂

Doomguy looking at the 40k universe: It's free real estate!

Internet Zen Master let’s hope the sequel 4 years in the making proves that doom 2016 was not a fluke of last minute crunch.

It'd be pretty interesting to see Arch do a video on everyone's favorite Doomguy in the WH40k universe. I know there are a couple videos like that already but I see Arch as being one of the only people who'd touch upon details beyond how much Korne is gonna wanna tap that. Repeatedly.. in a duel.. with a BIG fucking chain ax. The Orkz would fucking love him, and probably make him even more powerful with their Waagh energy if they ever found out about an immortal, angry as hell, demon slaughtering machine whose almost exclusively up for up close and personal combat. Might even turn Gork and Mork's heads between their own fisticuffs moments. Slaanesh's followers would be just as eager as Khorne's to throw themselves at a raw manifestation of pure hate and anger. I know that's usually Khorne's thing, but intense emotion is certainly Slaneeshe's thing, especially when you consider how much Doomguy LOVES killing demons. Getting cut down by that much raw emotion would be like a dream come true for some. Can't tell if Nurgle would like him or not. One the one hand Doomguy is a picture-perfect example of a stagnant cycle, what with all the singular goal of demon slaughter, but at the same time he's one of the few people who can actually work as a force of genuine entropy on the warp, which is cycle breaking. Bird brain is bird brain, I ain't gonna try and comprehend his opinions. Beyond that, any faction that hates the warp would appreciate the Slayer. He does one thing and one thing really fucking well. Being incorruptible on the side means he would be one of the WH40k universe's only force eternal good. Bone crushing, flesh-ripping, demon-slaying good.

Doomgit

Because the guardsmen would die.

Because gamesworkshop hate guardsmen and would rather give it to the Mary sue marines.

_"gave them strong shields"_ I've started laughing here. As if GW would give an individual Guardsman anything that would deserve the word "strong" in the description. :D

Warhounds

Because lasguns are cheaper and require only one week of training.

Tobias Hagström no kidding a chainsword could be rendered harmless by strapping a couple of thick planks to your armour.

I'm going to say this, there is litterally nothing but the user that can stop a chain saw. And more often then not, you push on putting pressure keeping the attack, and so on.

As to why they roar, all of them roar because of speed not fuel, the noise with fuel is sputters, as in the engine. The roar is the blade and chains moving.

Love this thank you.

Shame that the most anime faction in 40k don't use them

@@Big_E_Soul_Fragment Only the real players of 40k use them. So Imperium, Orks and Chaos. Everyone else is a bit player who need not apply. Especially those cowardly Tau.

@@internetzenmaster8952 Eldar.... Eldar use them.

@@shawnm1902 Imperium, chaos, some demonic machines, orks (including titan-sized ones) and eldar, indeed all use chainswords. Nids can't ever get one for obvious reasons (a spinny thing that ALWAYS goes in the same direction would just tear the flesh it's made out of... animals don't have wheels for a reason) Necrons have the best kind of cutting tool already, and laugh in a condescendent manner at that piece of junk Dark eldars probably think it's too lethal and not painful enough. Also, the name is not childishly grim enough And finally, the fish faced space communists still try to understand what this mee-lee even is.

Arch announced a while back that there is various media in the works. If you're lucky that might include something like that. Give this a listen if you missed it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-In-GEAlQfEk.html

Found the Australian 😂

Crikey!

Ah yes, the Primaris Pattern Visor Wipers

Dammit, you got me. Now I'm picturing the space marine having a little squeegee in his kit for when the gore really splatters hard or dries and the wipers can't get it off...

Awe me

Awe me made one, but they have it rotating backwards. It pushes the enemy away when you probably want it to pull them closer

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5gj8pAN7Y7E.html They made one

That works made one

Yes, but they had to remove the housing because it impossible for it to work with the housing wider than the chain teeth.

Did you mean purge me, mommy?

I can neither confirm nor deny that... mommy.

Am I smelling some Slaaneshee influences? Hmm. Maybe, maybe not. There's only one way to be sure. *Vroom, vroom!*

Dark Sigge Someone else with a chansword. An Ork worth his fungus. Any Tyranid beast from the Hive Tyrant, to Rippers. Any Chaos Space Marine. Chaos Cultists more afraid of the giant armored bastards behind them, than they are of the ones in front of them.

@@crypto1223 thats true but

Did someone vandalize your forehead with the image of a toilet seat, while you were asleep?

The Blancmange Must’ve gotten to his helmet while he was meditating before a battle.

​@@theblancmange1265 🤣🤣🤣 I'll never be able to not see that now!

It'd be like Crablogger from the old Thunderbirds series!

"What if we had baneblades covered in chaiswords?" Sounds like Adeptus Mechanicus porn.

I guess the only defense chain has is cost.

@@therandomheretek5403 not an irrelevent aspect as far as the imperium is concerned

@@therandomheretek5403 ... No? Literally a plain sword or club would be better, there are hundreds of issues with the practicality of chainswords. It's honestly just nonsensical that they are supposedly so great in-universe, and given their prominence it makes people think 40k won't make any internal sense but just be "because I say so." IMO 40k through throwing enough shit at the wall makes a surprising amount of internal sense, barring these occasional hiccups. The only defense that should be used for chainswords is that they're symbolic/ holy/ badges of office/ honorable/ used because of religious fervor or fanaticism, etc. They should be around in universe, but be acknowledged as having issues. It's lore-breaking otherwise.

@@farmerboy916 I don't disagree I was explaining in regards to chain weapons vs power weapons. But I also believe that you can't expect a finctional universe to not follow the rule of cool first and foremost. Indeed, by any logical standard walkers and titans don't make sense, non-power melee weapons are pointless vs short-barelled smgs and so on. To enjoy a work,some suspension of disbelief is required. Although of course I also "correct" some nonsensical stuff from the warhammer lore in my headcannon.

@@therandomheretek5403 Nah, I'm with arch when it comes to melee in 40k making sense. You absolutely can and should expect a universe that tries to be self-consistent, to be self consistent. Suspending disbelief about plot contrivances and about the difference between a fictional world and reality shouldn't be confused with having to suspend disbelief in-universe. That's lazy/ inconsistent writing, the reader having to fix the authors mistakes, or the universe having no rules (which is _not_ 40k). Walkers and titans make some sense in context even if they're silly irl, chainswords in the way they're done in 40k are so out there that they really can't even be defended (as being super good) with 'using future tech that's basically magic.'

I’d recommend shadaversity’s video on chain swords. It’s the exact opposite actually. No matter how sharp you make a blade you run into the same problem as a woodcutting axe. The material your cutting through will push on the flat of the blade as it’s cutting through and the harder the material the more likely it is to jam inside of it. Chain sword doesn’t “cut” it removes material from in front of it and gets around that problem

@@micheal5973 (I've seen it) Cool, but that's not how materials technology in 40K works. In the areas where a power weapon is unavailable, and a traditional sword is inadequate there's a whole plethora of things that would do the job better. Most astartes' armor they'd be going through is _harder_ than the teeth of the chainsword and so would be a poor match. As far as "soft" targets go - orks and the fleshier tyrannids - you have this simple problem: Astartes have the brute force to overcome that resistance. Humans don't have the strength necessary to do any damage anyways. If a human gets into melee with an ork or a tyrannid that's game over, meanwhile Astartes have been known to rip these apart with their hands. "removing material" The only problem with that is that the material is also trying to remove you.

Grinder Swords ! It throws the material away as fast as it cannnn

It's made of unobtanium. Remember they're used in a far future sci-fi setting.

@@StarboyXL9 And the same Sci-Fi material can be used in defense against it(shield/armor) and you are right back at step 1. It's always the problem when trying to explain away subpar designs with better materials(aka any mecha discussion on the internet ever).

@Execute order: 65! However the ork is dead and now not spreading the spores anymore

@Execute order: 65! *Flameing Chainsword*

Shadiversity.

@@internetzenmaster8952 Is it bad that I heard his intro music just from reading that?

Both Shad and Matt Easton did, and both raise good points. Matt's video on revolvers vs. hand weapons is also very applicable to 40k.

Baltimore knife and sword made one it's pretty cool

Did they note the absolute lack of un-screwable pommel as a major design flaw?

Most commissar seem to have one too.

The eldar version is silenced and weights like a feather, being crafted from wraithbone and powered essentially by psychic energy of warrior using it. It suits them perfectly

@@bartomiejboguski9676 wait, would that mean if wielded by a super emo warrior then the sword could cut anything?

@@wytfish4855 powered ie instead of promethium engine or power generator. Only force weapons can cut tanks if wielded by powerful psyker

@@bartomiejboguski9676 ahh right. bummer.

I would say that we could make them, but they wouldnt be used for anything other then heavy machines.

A melee heavy infantry unit that can go invisible, has a tank killing weapon (Scorpions claw is fucking op) and can drown you in mortal wounds with their Mandiblasters. The balance would not have survived.

*The Space Marines would like to know your location*

UA.

THANK YOU

@@Kreett_ THANK YOU x2. Seriously, when I heard Arch describing the Striking Scorpions, I was like "Wait a minute. How did this happen? We're smarter than this!"

Who cares? They’re both silly knife-ears, and therefore they both need to be strongly encouraged to cease their respiratory functions

@@thinkwithurdipstick Knowing what each silly knife-eared Xenos does what helps a lot in ensuring that they are purged :)

On the tabletop, Banshees used to have a 4+ save while Scorpions had a superior 3+. Meaning Arch was correct. Banshees require some form of transport or ambush tactic to get in range (hence why they aren't very popular), while Scorpions can deploy in advance of the main force and just endure the return fire until they get into melee. Also, the Dawn of War 2 trailer showcases Banshee tactics pretty well. Their lighter armor is more suitable to sneaking around even if that's not their primary tactic.

Only assholes care about "fame"

TheIfifi for a virgin beta probably not for a chad Warhammer fan

TheIfifi Yeah after thinking about it, I agree. There’s several weapons in sci-fi I can think of that are considered more iconic.

@@dominicomegon4714 i didnt bring it up...

The Lightsaber may be famous, but the mere mention of a Chainsword makes anyone know what your talking about.

Well hes an astartes so why not? Also there are huge 2 hand chainswords called eviscerators that crazy zealots use. Like those repentia sisters. You would have to be crazy to use something like that. So if a human can use a 2 hand variant, why not an astartes use a greatsword variant?

Well, it's better than both the expansion it's a mod of AND the latest release in the franchise so the answer should be "yes"

The preachers had chain swords and I think the assault marines did

Striking Scorpions were what only showed up in UA, chainswords were there from the first game.

Star Wars isn't really sci-fi, though. It's fantasy in space. Spaceships, aliens and lasers don't make things sci-fi. Sci-fi is all about asking questions and looking at "what ifs". Often about human nature or how it changes/deals with different technologies.

@@fnors2 k, then 40k isnt sci-fi it's eldritch horror. because eldritch horror is about how small you really are and the ancient horrible things that are out there and bigger than your existance. see I can say stupid things too?

Fnors 40k is also Science Fantasy though.

It is pretty undeniable that the lightsabre is the more famous and culturally influential sci fi weapon, but there is still a certain undeniable, brutal charm about the direct, unsubtle savagery of a chainblade weapon. Plus, ironically enough for a setting as gloriously and deliberately insanely overt the top as 40K, a chain weapon is more credible from a technological standpoint (no magic force attuned crystals required, no blade that would have to be so hot to do what is depicted on screen that it would instantly set the wielder and everyone else within about ten feet on fire as soon as it is activated) and more practical as a battlefield weapon. A lightsabre is clearly a very complex piece of technology, and so commensurately fragile compared to the rugged construction of a chain weapon. If a lightsabre is damaged, it is rendered into no more than a glorified paperweight, but even with teeth missing a chainblade can still get the job done, and even should the engine fail entirely you still have a heavy chunk of metal studded with sharp teeth to bludgeon your enemy with. That dependability would be invaluable in high intensity combat, and points up that a lightsabre is really a peacekeeper's weapon not intended for war, and a chainblade is a soldier's weapon. Add to that that chainblades can be mass produced were lightsabres can't, and you see logistical advantages as well. A lightsabre would be the equivalent of an artificer blade created for a high ranking officer or hero, clearly superior on a one to one basis, but not the workhorse backbone weapon of an entire military formation that a chainblade would be.

Just imagine if you had the grip to hold it for a while. I imagine an eventual catapult effect of the user.

From my understanding, chainswords have a monomolecular edge (even though it looks like it has teeth a foot wide). Since you are only dealing with that kind of width it might not generate enough force to pull much at all let alone rip it out of your hand.

@Succubus Chan this is an entire franchise of space fiction bullshit. It has a literal God-Emperor a la Osiris style, a race of intergalactic devourers, and actual literal space gods (Cthan and Chaos). If you're going to quibble about the believability of chainswords, I think you actually just hate 40k and are trying to infiltrate the fandom to corrupt it.

@@Alex_Fahey Monomolecular edges are literally just "oh it's sharp." It really shouldn't make any sense in-universe either

@@StarboyXL9 I disagree. I think that 40k has built into something contrived but plausible and internally reasonable through accretion, and the rabid support of the effectiveness and practicality of chainswords makes the rest look sillier than it even is. They should still exist, it's believable that people would use them for reasons of religion/ fanaticism/ as badges of office/ historical reasons/ etc etc etc, but they really should be treated as less effective than even plain swords.

OK boomer, upload the video or quit the blogposts

Innuendo

Yeah, you want a weapon that doesn't use any fuel or have any complex parts to break. Oh wait... A plain sword makes sense, or an energy sword even, but this is folly. Just leave chainswords to the super-fanatics who care about their weapons holiness or symbolism rather than practicality or effectiveness.