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Great video. I was fitted 2 years ago for a draw bias driver and having altered my swing path and face delivery with lessons, I have found i am hooking the ball. I see you switched models but could I switch to the standard version head of my driver on the shaft I was fitted for or in your opinion would that also change?
Another very good video with great information to ponder 🤔 and work with will getting a fitting for a driver or irons. Yes I liked the intro. also. Thanks
🤣🤣 Yes Andy, that intro was OTT. Great insight, thanks. This is why your reviews are so much more important than the 'Pro' reviewers out there. You're swinging it like me and looking at things from my perspective.
So love the vid format. Something special every time. Does make me wonder now if comparing clubs using the same shaft In many vids I see is it actually a valid comparison. I always thought so but now maybe not.
Tried a laddies 7 iron light shaft for a laff whow increase in swing speed,, put one in three wood 45g.evenflow people can't believe how far it goes,, just got b21 45g love it,, but try before buy might not suit all,, a mate has gone same route with great results,, cheers Alan 😊
I totally agree! Shaft and head combinations makes noticeable differences to distance and accuracy. Finding this magic combination, even with a fitter, is extremely difficult. I have found a good combination for me! But is it the best? Who knows!
With all the different shaft /head combinations it's almost finding the needle in the haystack finding what's the perfect set up.Oh and good luck finding someone to spend the whole day custom fitting you as well 🤔
I needed the introduction to the thought about a new driver. To some extent we adapt to the driver but would like to also have a driver that optimizes our best effort. The further complicated concern is if we are true students of golf then our understanding is also growing and affecting our swings. Maybe best to have an assortment of drivers and putters.
I went to get fitted for a new driver and they started with regular flex they all felt ok but nothing much past my current old driver with stiff flex. I saw a traded in epic with a senior 40 gram shaft and tried it for a laugh. I bombed 20 meters pass the other clubs including a epic with a regular flex. Big eye opener for me and the “fitter” at a large golf shop.
Interesting video, it is the opposite of most videos on the subject where most of the difference in shafts, even xx stiff to light ladies or senior's shafts are almost nothing in the stats. it's all in the player's head. If they can prevent themselves from adjusting the swing based on the feel of the various shafts. 1 combo in favor of shafts make a huge difference is not enough to base fitting approaches on, but the point about staying open minded is well taken. The real question is with all the combos of heads and shafts, if you are not going to use club head speed what variables are you going to use to pick some combos to try. Certaintly, you can make sure to try several weights and stiffness's but how do you narrow it from there?
Andy I have only just discovered this for myself recently when I went from a 70gm stiff shaft to a 45gm regular flex in my TM Minidriver. I have an average swing speed of 96mph and play stiff shafts in all my other clubs but the regular flex just seemed to suit my speed and tempo resulting in better shots. Thanks for your thought provoking videos - keep them coming 👍🏻
Very interesting Andy , I’m a firm believer in your theory !! I remember a time I was trying my sons driver which had a regular shaft , and I was hitting it really well !! Even though my pro said that I’m a stiff flex all day 🤔and should forget going down the reg flex route !! I would not rule any shaft option , as long is it works and helps you enjoy your golf !! Bring it on 🙈
It is great to see you are now bringing your creativity to the club reviews which are getting boring to watch on other channels, this keeps my interest
Awesome video, and interesting results. Got to say your videos have become so good lately, you are doing excellent with your filmmaking. You have definitely upped your game.
Very interesting! I am a mid-hadicap, 60 yo, swing speed 90 mph. Played a Taylormade Burner 10.5* reg flex 50g shaft for 9 years. Decided to get fitted for a new driver around 2018. Walked out with a Cobra F9, 11.5* draw biased with a 75g reg flex shaft. Couldn't play it, tried for a a year, then Covid hit and I couldn't visit the fitter. Bought a secondhand 58g reg flex shaft, half an inch shorter. Got used to it and have been hitting some of the best drives of my life for the last couple of years.
As you say Andy, it’s all about getting fitted. I tried a Wilson D7 with a 45 gram shaft terrible results. Buying off the shelf drivers is a complete lottery.
I bought a sim maxD. Had good results with a "regular" shaft. The fitter tells me you need a stiff because swing speed. Switched me to an air speeder 45 and I have no control with it
I found this video very interesting. I play a PXG 0811X Gen 2 driver and I also have a Tour Edge C721 driver. The Tour Edge has a 45 gram shaft and the PXG has a 70 gram shaft - both are Senior flex. The Tour edge produces a mid height draw while the PXG produces a low mostly straight flight with very low spin. The PXG out drives the Tour Edge by 20 yards or more. I also have the original 50 gram shaft for the PXG which frankly is awful! As a 75 year old 12 handicap, I can hit the PXG consistently 220-230 yards. So you are quite correct that the shaft should match the driver head.
If the cap had the words ‘Aspiring to’ on top of ‘Average’ I’d be in. 🏌️♂️ Recent subscriber; enjoying your work, and kudos to Mrs average for the camera work.
My question is why would anyone use a heavier shaft in a driver? I have been using 45 and 50 gram shafts in a few heads over the past 5 years and with great results. I love the lighter feel. I use S flex and a 44 1/2 inch shaft.
Depends the player. Some stronger players with quicker transitions a heavier shaft can sometimes help them keep their timing and tempo more consistent than something lighter.
Great format and delivery of the material, Andy. Just when I thought all heads were so close and picking my next driver just came down to which one appealed to my eye. Maybe not? I would be curious if a comparable lighter shaft gave you similar results or if their was magic in the one tested for the video.
Great video Andy, but what was dispersion like? Did the longer average go straight. So many videos are about distance. Think I'd sacrifice 12 yards if it was in the fairway all the time. Just a thought 🤔 👍
What this shows is that the fitting "rules" about what shaft flex you should have based on swing speed are complete nonsense. Shafts are merely timing devices and it is not just swing speed that determines how easy the timing is. I recently tried out the Mizuno 5w - great club. We tested it first in a 70g stiff shaft against my Epic 5w. It was a bitterly cold day and the ground was a bit soggy so I was only getting about 195 yard carry. Switched to a 50g reg shaft and I was getting 203-205 yard carry time after time. It wasn't just the extra distance, it was just so easy to hit - I felt confident that with it and could happily have put another 5 yards onto the carry if I needed to - in warmer conditions it would have gone even further. BUT, and this is a big but, the difference in sound was astonishing. With the 70g stiff shaft it was a pleasant if muted thud, with the 50g reg shaft it sounded as if I was hitting the ball with an empty coke can, a truly hideous sound.
When you have both driver heads sitting on the table and you’re asking the question about both driver has been the same minuscule backdrop was done just right,just a little bit of music when You’re talking about those drivers
Apparently, Bubba Watson used regular flex shafts until he turned pro. I'm not sure there are any hard and fast rules to fitting because everyone's swing is different. You just need to try a lot of different things. I think that's why pros seldom switch equipment once they find something that works.
I absolutely loved how you put this video together! Loved the music and the opening scenes! Fantastic job! As for the 45 gram shaft results....that is pretty surprising! My question is this....was there any issues with your control with the 45 gram shaft over say a 65 gram or 70 gram shaft? Keep up the great work my friend! Great job! -J-
Thanks for the feedback on the new style. As for the question, it was surprisingly stable which I dont understand Jay. Yes you could feel the diff between the 70gm to 45gm but not to an extent that made me feel like it was unstable.
@@TheAverageGolfer Andy, did you check the head weights to see if the B21 is lighter/heavier than Mavrik? What was the Mavrik swing weight compared to when you had the heavier/stiffer shaft in it?
DNA put me in a 95g recoil shaft, hated it couldn’t feel the club at all. Was re fitted with a light weight senior recoil shaft, chalk and cheese, put the same light weight shaft in my driver , superb results.
Great video as usual Andy but you have been asked more than a few times about the weight of the different heads as this would have a massive difference on the results can you answer this please.
I remember a couple of years ago trying out a new Titleist 917 D2 driver with a choice of 60 or 70g shafts - l left happy that the 70 was going past the 60 version after a basket of balls. Next day I I went back with a pal and completely reversed the results - I never did buy that 917 !
Custom fitting has done almost nothing to lower HCs, at least in the United States. Unless you are a person of unusual dimensions, either short or tall, most major manufacturers off the rack clubs will be just fine for the average person.
Really interesting Kevin. Can I ask what would have happened if I had bought Mavrik head with the 45gms shaft 'Off the shelf'? does the lose of 12 yds compared to the B21 head not suggest that it is so important to get custom fit?
@@TheAverageGolfer Thanks for responding to my comment. Custom fitting probably is of some importance to the low HC. as well as the people that I mentioned in my earlier comment.The average golfer in the U.S. shoots 90 to 102 on average. This has held true for almost a decade. The goal of the game is to shoot as low as you ability will allow. Most U.S. golfers have just average ability. If (like me) you don't have good consistent ball striking skills custom fit clubs will be of minimum value but have premium costs attached to them. If you're the golf industry, you want as many revenue streams as you can generate. Custom fitting falls into that category. Thanks.
Angle of attack different by 1.2 degrees and ball speed up also. Strike has direct result with spin. Combine all 3 factors and you got your 15 extra yds. I'd say if you hit 50 balls with each it would level out. Good video Andy.
That was the average of all shots, this was across 20 shots and outliers can always throw up reasoning but I would argue I could hit the Max all day long with the 45gns shaft and would not reach the numbers of the B21 👍
@@TheAverageGolfer Get yourself over to Ireland Andy Ill bring you for a spin around my home course Tulfarris where the Europro play the Irish Masters. Fill you with good Guinness after 👍
I guess its all about fitting, you simply have to have a really good fitter , i see so many fitters that dont care, its all £££, you need recommendations in your area, great vlog Bro
What I find interesting about this is that you subtly grow a beard between testing and reviewing, but make no reference to your new facial growth 🤣🤣🤣 Good video mate! Question... You probably won't know the answer, but what effect did the shaft make on the clubs swing weight? Potentially the 45g shaft could be an ideal club swing weight for you in the B21, but by putting 70g in it, throws it off. And vice versa for the Maverik?
To be honest that's what all the technology is for so the fitter can help you with the fitting. I have been through it at a callaway fitting 70g shaft then to 60g fitter got me hitting up more with the 60g as the attack angles looked similar to what you had
ian moore golf your fitter got you to change your swing to suit the shaft? That seems a very strange scenario Ian. I would always get fitted with the swing I have as opposed to one I try during a fitting
Yep sometimes you just have to go with it in the same way as you have going with 45g shaft. In my opinion a fitting should be more lesson based around getting the best from the equipment and manufacturers know if it was they wouldn't need new driver's every year
Loved the intro and Penny (dog) is adorable - had to replay for the wife just for that bit! Really interesting about club and shaft fitting - I’m guessing James at Foregolf is going to be very busy with all the ‘well informed buyers’ looking for a fitting. This just reinforces that you’d be mad to buy a club without a fitting!
If you simply swap out a 70 gram shaft with a 55 gram shaft without recalibrating the swingweight, your results will likely be all over the place. Driver head weights may vary by as much as 20-30 grams, a light shaft will make the club feel like a lump of lead unless weight is also take out of the head to rebalance the club.
Took out a HZRDUS 65 gram, stiff and replaced with a Prolaunch 45 gram regular in the spring. No other changes. Longer, straighter and haven’t looked back.
@@seanpeacock5595 Right! I'm thinking of doing the same with my HZRDUS 60 and going with 40g Project X Evenflow Riptide, on same Cobra King F9. Hope to get same results as you did!
I have a 50g stiff shaft in my 5 wood. I never hit a bad shot and I punch it out to 220yds. I wish I had the same head with driver loft and 5 inch longer shaft and I am sure I would be creaming 270 yd straight drives ! So to answer you question #1 All driver heads are way too big and too different from the shape of the 3 woods and 5 woods that are reaally far more "Forgiving" - that magic word used for modern drivers and still people spend ages trawling through the woods and long grass looking for a ball...
I just got fitted into something completely different to what a normally use a diamana tb 50g stiff shaft and it's now in my cobra ltdx ls head.... booooom
He uses a regular shaft in his long drive club because he gets a little more speed at the cost of dispersion which isn't critical in long drive, but if you check out his whats in the bag his actual on course gamer driver is 45" and has a paderson XX stiff flex.
You mentioned the Mav Max and B21 are essentially the same head. This is completely false. The Max is rear ward heel weighted. The B21 was designed with more forward weight and heel weight. Essentially to be Lower spinning. B21 is a pretty rare design. Also explains your results. Mav max is a higher spinning head. When you installed the 70g shaft it bright the spin down and yardage back. If you put The heavy shaft In the b21 it might be too low spinning.
granted, I didn't pay attention to the entire video - the loud intro disturbed me. but did you weigh the heads and their swing weight ? I mean, you're in a pro shop, right ?
As someone who has spent tons of time fitting golfers I can tell you crossfield is a very unique golfer. He has an average swing speed, average tempo, average wrist hinge and release, and average transition what that means is he can game almost any shaft and not see much difference in performance. Not many players are like him. Players with very aggressive transitions or very slow transitions or other varying swing characteristics benefit much more from a proper shaft fitting than someone like mark. So I'm not surprised when he says he doesn't see much difference in performance from shafts. For most golfers that's not the case.
Well 90% of average golfers should be using a Regular Flex shaft. I love when people let the Ego decide and get Stuff or Extra Stiff and can’t hit the ball 120 with a 7 iron. Or constantly shanking it to the right. Suck it up and get fitted and listen to the actual numbers.
