@@unculturedswine5583 There's yet another way to interpret his statement. "I am particularly good at lockpicking but that is not why it was so easy to pick this lock."
@@michagrill9432 just incase you want one dude to be able to open everything, cause he is too lazy / someone loses a key, thankfully you have a back up / bricking it's security for tacticool espionage
The keyway/keyshape somewhat spells out EVVA. EVVA beeing a trademark, they can restrict the key blanks. A lot of companies do just that - use their brand name as key profile. As some markets require restricted blanks, using the brand name is the cheapest way to legally restrict blanks. The nasty keyway is just a side product of the restricted blank.
SEGA lost a case in court when they did something similar with software which was meant to prevent third party cartridges from working in a Sega Genesis. I wonder if that would apply to locks, since the basic idea is exactly the same.
@@GamesFromSpace There's a bit of a difference between restricting gaming cartridges in your system and restricting the keys that fit into the locks you make, I'd argue.
@@Freddy96LP Well, feel free to actually make the argument :P But trying to use trademark law as ad-hoc "copy protection" is the same whether it's a bit of metal or a bit of computer software.
@@GamesFromSpace - It's obviously not though. In one case you're making a lock and key that is meant to have very restricted access by definition. On the other hand you have a game console where the (only) reason for restricting that access is to protect your monopoly/profit. That's clearly not "the same".
@@TheMrVengeance In both cases it is a thing designed to restrict access.... *What* it's protecting doesn't matter, only that it is restricting access by using a trademark, and trademark law is not for that. In either case it is a lock which requires a key. They even call both of them a key.
So basically they were hoping that nasty keyway would deter anyone from trying and as you stated you didn’t think you would be able to at first so I guess it actually works to some effect.
I think I could listen to podcasts from LPL... who cares about the video or the locks... just a little click on one, 2 is binding... nice and relaxing... good for going to sleep :D
Fact. I do listen to him to fall asleep. Then, I hear something interesting, and finally watch the video till the end, one or two eyes open... It gets me sleepy for sure, and it's sooooo relaxing and satisfying....but I'm too curious! (Listen to Quinn's Ideas sum up of Dune books, perfect for falling asleep, and such amazing quality content!)
Many locksmiths do not focus on the master key effect you so nicely show here. I try to limit simple systems to 5 fixed and one chamber with multiple wafers. but the best way is like the d12, because one of the double cuts can be lower, as long as one cut lift the pin to the right height. so simple systems can be made without using master wafers
Great keyway and nicely picked with the twist technique. When you showed the keyway at the end I could see holes in the warding. Did you try to pick through these holes? Also, will you change the driver pins and try picking the lock again without master wafers?
I love your videos so much! I'm watching 10 a day until I've seen them all and then I will watch them all again! Thanks a million! You've inspired me to get some good picks and locks and be a lockpicker! :)
What a bugger of a keyway! LL, you have a terrific collection of locks and I find your videos and commentary very easy to watch. Also, great pick by the way! I look forward to more videos from you!
So now we know where the name Master Keying came from. Turn any brand no matter how secure into a Master Lock using our patented Master Keying technique. “Master keying makes Master locks”
great vid, new to your channel but so far I've really enjoyed what your doing. i love lock picking and been subbed to bill for years. do you really practice law? cant wait to see more
@@edthegoomba You missed his joke. Master lock is a company that makes locks that are easy to pick. A master keyed lock is one that accepts a regular key and a master key to open.
Instructive, as always. Naming the parts of the lock is helpful in developing the correct vocabulary, as is identifying the various manufacturers. It might be helpful, as well, to critique the tools as you use them. “Easy to pick up” or “quality finish without burrs” and so on.
What blows me away is that all these lock companies make this stuff for a living, it’s their job, the only thing they have to worry about, and yet it appears some rather enthusiastic hobby lock picker can defeat their best efforts at security. If I was one of their design engineers, I’d be ashamed to show my face in the lunchroom. The CEO should send a memo saying “ the next lock you design is being sent to this fellow, the Lock Picking Lawyer, and if he opens it up lickety split, you’re all fired!
It was probably designed as more of deterent than needing high security but quick access for those that have this unique key. A good example of this use would be for use on a security display in a store.
wouldn't it be really simple to make a lock even more pickproof by deepening that zigzag significantly more? you could quite easily make a thicker key that fits a keyway with the zigzag warding protruding past the center. it would make a lot of use of the fact that unlike picks, keys don't need to be able to move in the direction of the pins at all. the deeper and sharper you make the zigzag, the less room for movement there is for a pick, but it's really no problem to make a key that fits.
Hi LPL, any recommendations for a beginners pick and insert set? Not looking to spend a lot but I'm worried some of the really cheap stuff might bend when stubborn pins bind etc. I have no experience but I'm confident I could easily pick my friends cheap padlock open, and I want to show him so he gets something better!
Maybe whoever setup this lock thought the zigzag keyway would be enough of a deterrent to keep people from picking it... Or they didn't intend to have a Master Key for this lock in the beginning... Which makes me wonder, is it possible to retrofit an existing lock with a Master Key?
A really high cut serrated pin in chamber #5 (no other changes) would have made this lock much harder to pick. This lock was as easy as a Master #3, excluding the paracentric keyway. With proper pins, this could make an excellent challenge lock.
Why do key makers make keys so much taller than they need to be? Wouldn’t having a shorter key instead of taking up the extra space with more bidding make picking harder?
" ...because of the flaws in whomever set this lock up." Oo, brutal! (I suspect he meant to say "because of the flaws introduced by whomever set this lock up," but still, made me chuckle.)
So, am I understanding it correctly that you could maintain the idea of master keying, but keep security, if you put something mean in 4 and/or 5 and put the master wafers up front?
well done ... I agree with you. Had problems with the sets of individual pins for a long time, but now it is no longer a problem and relative opening under five minutes is possible
But, again... couldn't an advanced keyway deter the novice or moderate picker? I know that if I saw that, I'd just give up. FYI, I just picked my first lock last month! lol
Is there such a thing in locking pins as full-length pins that are one piece? if those exist, would it have made the picking process more difficult? "Full-length" meaning, of course, that it goes all the way to it's intended height in the keyway once the key is inserted.
If that lock uses .115 diameter pins, you should use some of my wafer driver pins I make. Let me know if you'd like to try some out and I'll send you enough to fill the pin stack.
Magnet Man loose meaning it is not the binding pin. Every lock has a binding order in the pins, just how it is. When you put tension on the lock one or two pins at a time will be harder to lift than the others, or binding. Those are the ones you want to lift up and set. That click is the sound of the pin setting or him dropping into a false set. A loose pin is not Binding, and you don’t need to worry ab then because they can’t be set until they bind, and pushing it up it’ll just fall back down.
I wonder how many people are inspired to become criminals from watching your videos. Lol... but seriously, the value in these is really for the people who buy these products and value security.
@AR-Gaming they typically pull the uncut cores through a series of knives with teeth on them. each knife is higher than the next buillding the keyway to it's final shape. the knives are also shaped like the keyway depending on the hight of the cut it is responsible for
Hi LPL, can you do the EVVA 4KS? This is a cylinder I want to use and I'm really interested what you think of it (and that type of lock in general). Thanks!
its crazy how much easier master wafers can allow a lock to open, with all those extra shear lines.Thats why I like Yales old school. Bicentric Mortice and padlocks. You can have a master core and a user core, that way you don't have to use master wafers. Like these www.simon-says.net/lds3/vt_build_me_one.htm
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