That model is intended for post boxes and similar lightweight constructions. It is easier to pull the box apart than punch the lock, although breaking the lock is more considerate as you can reuse the box.
LPL makes it seem quite easy, because he's a professional. In truth, you need a lot of practice and skill, and a very specific good quality tool to be able to pick the classic Abloy wafer lock in the first place, and a way lot more practice to make it seem as easy as LPL does. It's not as if you'd just get handed that tool, and pick the lock on the first attempt in a couple of minutes.
There actually was a pick quite like that called Vempele back in the day. It was used by some criminals in Finland. It's origin is buried in legends but it was developed by criminals with locksmithing skills.
Initially the lock was designed somewhere around 1907. That initiated the company Ab Lås Oy, wich changed its name to Abloy. It was finally sold to ASSA.
The good thing about the Abloy lock is that it needs a special tool for picking it. That Abloy classic lock is a 100-year-old model and is the easiest to pick.
@@jamesh7876 The part that actually needs to be picked is identical to 1907 design as far as I know. The circular hole in the middle of disc is a cheap fix to prevent a single picking tool to even start trying to rotate the disc. The actual picking is based on feeling the sidebar scratching against the side of the disc and that part has not been changed.
ive never picked a lock in my life and i doubt i ever will but i do watch all of his videos. i think i appreciate how he doesn't waste time, no clickbait, no horse shit of any type whatsoever. he never stretches the videos for no reason.
@@thenormalyears yeah its interesting that for this channel 7 mins is a fairly long video length where some channels stretch every video to at least ten but then again LPL is almost certainly not doing youtube for the money so i guess he feels no need to try to play the algorithm
It is, isn't it? But beware ... I watched some, got intrigued, and now I own a set of lockpicks, a couple of practice locks, and I'm learning, slowly. I'll never be up to LPL's standard, but I'm improving.
These things are used on literally every full-height cupboard of in every single school I was in up in Northern Sweden. Those cupboards were usually stuffed with whatever helping equipment and/or devices appropriate for the classroom they found themselves in. Half of me never expected to see the omnipresent lock show up with You, LockPicking Lawyer! Well done on refreshing my Nostalgia!
Very impressive ! I started picking locks as a teenager back in the 80s. I had a few early successes but this Abloy design totally flummoxed me. It's really satisfying to finally learn how it's done, thirty years later. Closure :)
If I'm not mistaken, that lock design is way back from 1907, rare to see them these days, but in the 80s and 90s they were still quite common to see. Even in house doors they had similar keys.These days in some post boxes or something irrelevant. Newer ones like 1977, 1994 or 2012 are probably much harder to pick, would love to see some newer abloys taken apart like that
We have these all over the place for my work. Keys sometimes don't work and sometimes we don't have the right key so I'm glad to here you can easily punch it out.
Yeah, we use that key only in warehouse or very old house. I would like to see Abloy Exec, Sento or Protec locks opening. Don't have to go for those electric locks. This Abloy Classic is now 100 years old.
It must be 20 years ago that I heard this Classic can be picked by a pro in less than 10 minutes. This whole video is less than 10 minutes with disassembling the lock included, so I didn't hear wrong back then. Nevertheless, ever since that day I didn't much trust this old design. So, no, it wasn't really worth praying for, it was given LPL could pick it with his mad skills.
@@jj981293486 Yes. I've seen that video too. But actually that video does not prove it was picked. Every critical thing in that video was covered with hands. He just could´ve used the key to open that lock...
Well id say its technically also vastly different to pick a lock thats not attached to a door etc. than picking one that you are holding in your hand and can move around etc. Not that the method is different or that I know anything about lockpicking in general... Just my thoughts.
The 2nd flaw is allow the disk to be loose at true gate. Just add a nonlocking second bar, even third ?, on opposite side,so the disk is always at false gate on one bar or the other ? by that way, when he feels he cannot tell if a disk is it true gate... They all seem to be at a false gate,which is a tighter grip.. still pickable but only with fibre optic inspection of the disks.. micrometre picking m
As I am from Finland, I had to check. I carry two sets of keys. One for personal use, it has 6 keys and 3 of those are abloy classics, including one for my front door. Second set is for my work, where i seem to have 10 keys and 8 of those are classics. Ranging from toolboxes to customer front doors and server rooms. I'm really surprised if abloy does not still sell classics by the hundreds of thousands per year. At least key blanks, but probably whole actual locks too. I have bought at least 5 locks in last 10 years for personal use.
@Lassi Kinnunen I moved to Canada and, while perhaps not as extreme as your experience in Thailand, I was quite amused by my apartment having bars in front of the windows but me being able to open the front door with regular tools after some practice. It also takes all of 20 seconds and 15 cents to copy any key here so if you ever lend your keys to someone you'll have to be afraid they've gone and copied it.
The Classic is still dangerously widespread, thanks to Abloy not allowing licensed locksmiths to sell parts for newer models and requiring keys to be ordered via the factory.
After watching your Ruko video and this one, I feel a lot safer in my home, where I have both lol. My landlord told me not to loose this Abloy key for my door, because the lock smiths couldn't pick it open, he said, it would have to be drilled out. I guess he had never heard of LPL
yes we can do it. but its faster and cheaper to just drill them. of you lose one key we just change to coding and make new keys. no risk of unwanted people getting inside. safety is the product we sell, not parts.
I've been watching these videos for a couple of years, and I just have to say how marvelously entertaining they are. Moreover, I've decided to pursue studying locks as a hobby now. Fantastic stuff, sir.
A way around the punch vulnerability would be to set it up so it pulls a positively-retained locking prong/pawl out of the way when unlocked. That way punching it out makes the locking setup fail closed. Not a big help on pick resistance, though it's got decent steps towards that already.
Yeah, that one actually took him a pretty good while vs most of the competition 😆... If I needed to lock something up, I'd choose one of those over anything else he's opened tbh...
Considering it took him this long to pick it with a specialized tool he had to create himself, I’d say that if they addressed the punching vulnerability then it’d be a good lock.
Nice to see one of these classic Abloy locks picked, we use a lot of them here in Finland. Abloy is a Finnish company, the name stands for AB Lukko Oy, with "lukko" meaning "lock" in Finnish. Oh, and the AB and OY stand for "aktiebolag" and "osakeyhtiö", both roughly translate to "Ltd." in English.
I have enjoyed watching Mr LPL for a very long time and this just never ceases to amaze me. When it comes to this art form I am truly in awe. I can fix anything electronically and design PCBs or Main chassis PCBs but this is baffling how this community (and especially Mr LPL [for he is truly at the top of his game]) can do something that seems so impossible to me. Much respect to all of you artists out there. Superb content! Thank You!
That particular cylinder with the weakness of being punched apart still means that anyone gaining access have to do it in the destructive way making it clear that the contents is compromised. Picking it takes some skill and takes time. This cylinder type would be on cabinets where many cabinets would otherwise just be using wafer locks so this would definitely be a few steps up in security and give a good tamper evidence.
This kind of cam lock is used in Finland mainly in private mailboxes. Actual house doors have different design that cannot doesn't have similar space behind the lock and cannot be easily punched in.
The way you talk during picking reminds me of all the times i had a dentist examine my mouth and read out the state of every single tooth to the nurse in the room.
Thank you Lock Picking Lawyer for showing me time and time again that neither myself or my possessions will ever be safe with passive security systems, and locks are just a device to feign security.
Back in highschool we used to build lockpics out of iron wire and learn how to pick these. Took a long time but eventually we got it and managed to pick these all over school.
These classics don't necessary need special tools, but a lot of patience. I have managed to open two of these, one was warehouse door and another was on mail box. In these and also on cabinets there is fewer cuts, five or six is quite common.
They changed the design to prevent the punch attack, the internals are added to the front and have a special disc that spins to prevent wrenching attacks as well.
When did this happen? As I have yet to see one, just saw new ones that were this exact design apart from the steel rod, as this still has the older brass rod.
Link to any store that sells such a version? As far as I know, Abloy never fixed this CL100 style cam lock design. Other variants meant to be used in actual doors have different design and has used different design for at least 50 years.
I would consider a lock that requires a specific custom-machined tool, using prior knowledge of the internals of the lock, and an experienced elite lockpicker to open to be a decent security lock, worth it's money. Not like those home depot locks you get through in 13 seconds with a standard pick and moderate tension.
Also. That's called the "classic" model for a reason. It's literally over a hundred year old design and there has since been newer models that are much more complicated than this one.
A lock design that is only safe if attacker doesn't have prior knowledge of the internals of the lock (other than specific key cut, of course) is a poor design. Also known as security through obscurity. Doesn't work for hardware nor software.
The difference is, if this is an external lpck, or locks/security measures before are defeated non destructively, an attacker will simply return at a later date prepared to defeat the obscure lock. There's usually no reason they can't try again. A breakin caught on camera is only caught if someone knows to scrub throught the past night's footage.
thank you for posting this I have old arcade units with similar locks on them only mine has bumps on the centers of the disks. its nice to see how these particular locks work.
@@lockpickinglawyer from the looks of it it's going to be a long long party... omg, how many of them did you make??? :)) Awesome, man, you're like Forgotten Weapons of locks :))
Cheers for that, A house I know of has a garage with the same lock, and I know for sure they have a couple of expensive, exotic and soon to be mine, motorbikes in there. So cheers for your help and advice. Trust me, you've saved me about 30 grand or so👍😊
Thanks for the video! I actually have an Abloy Classic padlock given by a friend solely for the purpose of me picking it, since the key is missing. Your video really helps me coming up with my own picking tool. The Abloy Classic is a 100-year old design, but still damn difficult to pick IMO. I can't imagine how the newer ones are. Can you try to pick an Abloy Protec 2 lock please?
At one flat where I lived in Finland many years ago, almost certainly with an old Abloy lock on the front door, I left the door wide open one day by accident when I was very ill, and all that happened was two gorgeous and lovely ladies called in to check whether I was okay. I quickly made a full recovery.
Many years ago I worked for a payphone company. All out phones used a similar abloy lock attached to a substantial safe style 4 arm latch. Never saw one picked. One summer though we did see a bunch with broken internals and the money gone. After about 20 phones being robbed the guy got caught. He was freezing the locks with liquid N2 and then punching them. One solid hit and everything shattered in the lock.
I found one of thoes keys years ago...umm...decades ago, my brothers foot locker key from his Navy days. Thank you I do enjoy all your video's very much.
Finland has 2 official languages,Finnish and Swedish...in Swedish the word corporation is aktiebulag shortened as ab...Finnish word for is osakeyhtiö shortened as oy...the word for lock is lukko in Finnish...all those combined comes the name ab lukko oy and its shortened as abloy...
I spent the late 70s and early 80s working in the coin-op amusements and vending business as a repair technician. Most video games, jukes, and pinballs use cam locks, or at least they did back then. Not once in all the time I spent in the business did we ever have a machine that was picked open. Why even bother with that when cam locks were so easy to defeat with a screwdriver or small prybar, forcing the door open by bending the cam or the brass stem on the lock that the cam mounts on? I believe this lock has that same pair of weaknesses, in addition to the weakness you detailed.
In case you were curious: "The unique ABLOY lock and key was invented in 1907 by Emil Henriksson, an office machinery mechanic in Helsinki, Finland. While repairing a cash register, he realised that the rotating cylindrical disks of the machine were eminently suitable for use as a lock mechanism. The first locks went on sale two years later and lock production at Ab Låsfabriken - Lukkotehdas Oy began in 1918. The name 'ABLOY' is formed from the letters of this company’s name."
@@MosoKaiser That is indeed how to saying goes. What he means is that "honoust people" don´t go to cabinet with a lock on it. Although if it isn´t lock you might have temptation to take something from it. Cabinet without a lock leads to saying "Temptation makes a thief" ;). Dishonoust people go there even with a lock on it by breaking and entering as 'lide de Deli' put it well there. I hope this cleared this out :).
In this case, "anti-pick" does not mean unpickable but anti-one-specific-type-of-pick. The style of pick used in this video is not affected by this "anti-pick" feature.
This design is still used only in some old houses since Abloy has developed far more advanced locks already decades ago. Also today, locks use to be more or less electric and IT-based in brand new houses here in Finland. Furthermore, I have heard that thieves use crowbars rather than wasting their time for picking.
@@66Flux In larger rentals and facilities maybe, but for your standard apartment building and houses we don't really even recommend electrical locking, as it's usually just a waste of money.
Not sure if HuxleyPig69 is willing to share his tool design for the Protec 2 pick with LPL. I don't see how a Protec 2 could be picked without a specialized tool.
Alexander Gräf from what I read from him; it seems like he may at some point sell the tool, only after he has more then likely patented it. I could see it happen later down the road. I feel like, at some point LPL will be cracking a protec 2 with one of HPs tools. Question is, how long will we wait?
I know nothing of lock picking but these videos are gold. Also, the new zoom function makes it easier watching details on parts, but for someone working with security I would think LPL would think twice about showing his finger prints in detail online? :p
Abloy classic had a major problem on door locks. It did not have automatic dead bolt so unless the bolt was somehow protected one could open it with an L-shaped tool. I think in most cases you could manually dead bolt it. When I was about ten or so I went wit a friend to his home and he shad forgotten his keys, He took a piece of metal wire, bent it an opened the door faster than with a key.
I think I remember (or my mind might be tricking me) that I've seen such locks locking away stuff at the primary school I attended back in the day, and as a kid, I had dreamt of picking open such locks and accessing some of those teacher and staff only areas hidden behind those doors.
I'm a carpenter and I have never met a lock that couldn't be opened with a quarter inch tungsten drill bit! I learned that if you go slow the drill bit will destroy all the pins and at some point the lock will fail and turn just from the twisting motion of the drill
Used in high value display cases in retail stores (jewelry), the only real security problem is sneak theft. No one is likely to use a punch or anything else that takes more than a second or two, or draws attention to themselves, thus this lock is good for that intended purpose.
Here's a fun fact: ABLOY stands for AB Lukko OY, which literally means 'Joint-stock company Lock Joint-stock company', or as we Finns pronounce it in Finnish, "aa-bee lukko oo-yy". Finland has two official languages, Finnish and Swedish, so the AB at the beginning stands for Swedish word 'aktiebolag' meaning 'joint-stock company'. This is followed by a letter 'L' for the Finnish word 'lukko', which means lock. Finally there is OY (usually written 'Oy') which means 'osakeyhtiö', the Finnish substitution for 'joint-stock company'. Have a nice day!
most things secured with a lock like that is thin sheetmetal lockers, toolboxes etc, so the metal would often give way before, or with about the same ease as this lock kan be punched. (lockers vs prybars are common enough)
Dear LPL, you are correct, that it's posible to just hit enough force and gut the inside out. BUT, not in normal use here in Finland. Cause normally we assemble those in our front doors, and then you need to hit the hole lockbody and also doorbody too, and that will take the force. Like our locks, also our doors are far superior than 99% of other world. Our doors open outside, not inside, so what you people see, how police/fbi opens doors in america, that's not working here.
There is millions of homes still using Classic lock in finland. It is simple, but vast majority of criminals aren't this skilled that they can make a Vempele and/or use it. so basically it is safe as any other abloy locks. They smash a window anyway.
LOL! Not in Finlad. Waait! All ULKOHUUSI:S HAS ONE! Also known as "pikkula" - very impiortant places when you got to go....well ...you know! very important "recykling place!
Huxleypig seems to have made it his life’s mission to be Assa’s nemesis. He’s one of the only people I know of to claim to have picked the Protec 2. He’s a bit secretive as to how he does it though, which I still don’t really understand to be honest.
Real World Police - yeah, dumb comment on my part. I think he’s had tools suddenly obsolete because of suddenly ‘declassified’ ones popping up in the past, so it makes sense. Caffeine deprived today...
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