4K vs BLU-RAY: Is There A Perceptible Difference? 

Thank you Raid. It made me appreciate how good Blu-ray really is, that's for sure. John.

My conclusion is still the same several years later and that is that if HDR had have been applied to standard Blu-ray then 4K wouldn't have been required at all. If we all had 25 foot wide screens at home it might be a different matter but we don't and therefore 4K on its own without HDR being exclusive to the format would have meant there was no point to the 4K home movie format. John.

I saw Lord Of The Rings at the Odeon Leicester Square and the image quality was poor so it may be a disappointment. Quality at the cinema was in a decline by then so perhaps modern equipment will be able to fashion a better transfer. I hope so anyway. Good to hear from you again Umar. I hope to be able to increase my RU-vid output a little soon but I am still a little tied up with 'Code Name: R40' which I hope to conclude soon.

Do not forget Dolby Atmos. It is said that Disney only releases movies with Dolby Atmos in 4K

@@Andersljungberg Disney's Dolby Atmos tracks tend to be weak though depending on the title, but other studios do a great job with that or DTS:X. Some regular blu-rays also get Dolby Atmos.

Not just the HDR but the Dolby Atmos is a must!

Very nice of you to say James. Hopefully I'll be able to get videos done more often now that I'm coming to the end of my own latest epic production.

Yes. It's about content. It's nice to see a chap on RU-vid who doesn't appear to be suffering from ADD. I like the fellow's measured and methodical approach to his presenting. He is a geek of the highest quality as well, and that is a bonus.

That makes a lot of sense Forrest. Might steal that line in future! John.

agreed, slowly getting there now though. There seems to be less upscales. Though there can be some brilliant upscales.

Let's face it. Boys don't ever grow up. They may look old, but inside, they are still 14 years old.

I agree with you, but hardly anyone even makes a UHD player anymore, the only really good ones still for sale are the Panasonic ones.

@@Edward135i It appears Sony and LG are still making players as well. I'm not sure about the quality difference between Panasonic and Sony, but Sony has an ES1100 model currently out.

That's very reassuring David. I do try to make them as interesting as possible so people would occasionally feel the need to watch something more than once. John.

That's a damned good summing up Eric. Well done! John.

I see you too are properly sitting very close to your screen when viewing 4k discs, which is the point that many don't understand. Sit too far away and you can't see the improved resolution, so take advantage of 4k and sit as close as practical. I have a 55 inch screen and sit about 5 feet away for 4k titles, and move seating back a couple feet when watching standard hd/1080.

@@pete49327 only way to go. And you're right: sitting far away robs you of the majesty of the 4K experience. A tight small theatre also does wonder for sound. The inverse square law makes large areas poorer for sound quality.

@@EricMalette Well stated!

I also love 4K Blu ray on my OLED. Nothing touches it.

Very kind of you to say so Krishna. Right from the outset I wanted to try to make people feel like they were in the cinema with me. John.

How true! John.

Funnily enough I've just scrutinized the new Spider-Man film which is a 2K master but the 4K disc is immediately perceptibly superior. However, it's the HDR again and not the definition which really isn't that brilliant on either of them. Should make for an interesting review. John.

That's why I'm very selective of my 4k purchases and have only been going for 80s and 90s movies that I want. Well the releases that are actually good that is!

@@papa_sloth_gaming547 Many of the older restored films are fantastic on 4K. Jaws, Alien, Spartacus, Ten Commandments etc.

Fair point. I don't think I'll ever grow up. John.

@@moviecollector5920 You've got the right idea, John. I've seen what "growing up" can do to some people. I wouldn't recommend it. Great videos !

I think you're on to something with this one. I've not watched many 4K discs yet but HDR seems to be the most noticeable difference. The bright areas on "The Rise Of Skywalker" really jumped out the screen when i watched it. The other 4K discs i've watched so far have been underwhelming.

@@alansmithee3336 Thank you Alan. I don't think I'll ever be afflicted with that 'growing up' problem... even though I'm sure a lot of people wish I would! John.

It's amazing how quickly all younger people looking at this will get there 🤔 but you never feel any different. Once a lover of film, your always a lover of film and especially physical media, I still like a decent presentation and no streaming issues 🤗

And I have 'Grand Prix' and 'Overdrive' too. Both look fabulous on Blu-ray with 'Grand Prix' being just a little extra special owing to its 65mm/70mm origin. John.

Agreed. I saw a DVD titled 'Tommy's Honour' recently and that one was better than many Blu-rays too. Then again, I've just purchased 'Ruthless People' on DVD because I couldn't find it on Blu-ray and it looks dreadful! John.

Terrence Malick's New World offers a pretty exceptional picture on DVD. The question then becomes, "Do I want an exceptional looking DVD I can get used for $1-3 or do I want to spend $25-30 for the Criterion BR with all the bells and whistles? I went with the DVD. If I can get a deal on BR later, fine. But the DVD is more than serviceable.

It's available on 4k digital if you're interested

35mm is regularly estimated to be the equivalent of 6K Craig but that is probably 35mm negative stock. 2K is about one-sixth the capability of 35mm but I don't think it's fully possible to equate the two as one is electronic and the other is film. They are two different formats that achieve similar results in a different way. The VistaVision effect does help 2K though as a shrink down from any larger format ensures better image quality in the final 2K product just like VistaVision did for release prints all those years ago. My 20K statement was intended to be tongue-in-cheek. 20K is one of the current estimates for genuine IMAX which is probably about five times the size of VistaVision. Video projection has improved markedly in recent years but it looks like it can be made even better if Doug Trumbull was right with his MAGI solution, a part of which I believe involved putting a shutter in a video projector. The shutter may need to go in video cameras too to achieve the full natural effect that film is so superior with but it all remains to be seen. Certainly it's possible to realistically generate the essential fine film grain effect necessary to achieve life like images with video but not every current film makes seems to have attuned to that yet. This old video you're looking at was something that I made when my channel was in its infancy. If I'd have known the explosion that would occur a few months later, I'd have held on and done something far more in-depth. The problem is that you only really get one chance to do a video and once it's done, that's what you're stuck with. But it did open a few people's eyes because up to that point there was no one on RU-vid of any scale educating people of the superiority of film. Video is going to improve further whereas genuine IMAX surely is the limit of human ingenuity when it comes to film. We may therefore find that in ten years time video has matched or even improved on it. I do feel a little sorry for younger film enthusiasts who didn't live through the peak of film quality in cinemas. Those were wonderful days when every major new release on a Friday night was an event. Now we only get those sort of releases a couple of times a year if we're lucky. Fortunately, the big event for this year is coming up next month so don't miss out on seeing OPPENHEIMER in the real McCoy and not one of the cheapo, far lower quality video projection, faux IMAX cinemas. John.

Ho ho - and to finish the line I started, "we just get older!" John.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. John.

I’d disagree it’s absolutely not a PR move. Remember that your tv and player are up scaling the 1080p to 2160p. I absolutely agree that HDR is extremely important but with a good oled tv and a solid 4k player a well mastered 4k DI disc blows hd out of the water.

@@MistaFussichannel Yeah but what I mean is that 4K might imply the height is 4000 pixels like 1080 is 1080 pixels in height. Which I thought when I first heard the 4K label. Then to label it 2K doesn't sell the picture upgrade as well to the masses as if you label i 4K.

Thank you Steve. I'm hoping to add even more variety and interest as time goes on but it all depends on getting agreements from people and companies who do the work to produce the discs we enjoy or put the films on the big screens we love... such as the BFI IMAX but I suppose I can cross that one off the list now. John.

I did run Blu-ray through a standard Blu-ray player as well as an upscaling 4K James and I still couldn't see much difference, if any. I need to repeat that sometime but I think our tiny home screens just aren't big enough for us to see any improvement in overall clarity. It must be there but if we can't pick it up, there's not really much point. And I think that's a major reason why HDR is only available on 4K discs because that is what is making the difference. John.

My 4k TV upscales my Blu-rays beautifully. I really can’t see the point shelling out more money for 4k at this moment in time. I agree it’s like audiophiles - unless you are willing to pay crazy money on a large top of the range TV to get marginal gains then it’s not really worth it. My upscaled fav films on Blu ray like no country for old men or Blade runner 2049 for example look crazy good anyway! How good do they have to look!!!

I've become increasingly disinterested in streaming Mike. I do still enjoy watching RU-vid on our television but that's a little different. The quality of the discs we're enjoying lately has just knocked on-line into a cocked hat as far as I'm concerned but I will always listen to your insights on the subject. Can't beat having the physical product and know it's always there on the shelf whenever you're ready to take another look.

From what I've seen, Amazon Prime seems to have the best quality, especially if you download via the app before watching.

I find that Blu-rays that have been authored from the same 4K video master file as the 4K disc tend to look identical other than the colour and density which is of course, HDR. Given that around half the screens in the UK were running 2K video projectors until recently (and many of them still are) I think that tells us all we need to know about 2K and 4K video. If cinemas think they can get away with it then there is surely going to be little perceptible difference in definition that we can make out on our tiny home screens. Well, I've struggled to see any difference other than HDR for five years now anyway. John.

@@moviecollector5920 I agree that HDR is the big difference for sure

One of things I had in mind to say - but I did all this in one take so simply missed it - was that one of us enthusiasts needs to purchase a barn, put a 40ft wide screen in it and then compare Blu-ray to UHD Blu-ray because then I think we'd see a perceptible difference. Whatever the outcome, the quality offered for the home video disc today is something I would have thought unobtainable only ten years ago. I had some television people visit in 2008 as they wanted to purchase the rights to something I'd just completed (didn't let them have it though but that's another story) and they summed up television perfectly at that time: "Television is a broken format." I hadn't really thought about it until then but how right they were. The writing is on the wall and as the older generations pass on the increase in the take-up of on-line streaming and video on demand; something that was being looked at years ago by the broadcasters has now been done successfuly by completely new, forward thinking companies.

@@moviecollector5920 I would really love a barn or a garage to turn into a home theatre with a big screen! I think with the cinemas closing again its even more likely that more content will move online, which is a shame as I enjoy watching movies in a cinema environment on a huge screen, and much prefer to own a physical copy of my movie collection, rather than just perpetually paying to rent access to it.

@@nick1635 We may find that after we're out of the Covid-19 problem that people value a trip to the cinema again. Somehow I doubt it given some of the behaviour we've seen but I live in hope. The number of alcoholics in Britain has apparently gone up from something over 4 million to over 8 million since March so maybe owning physical products again will become popular rather than having a house devoid of belongings because you're out all the time and when you're in you simply watch television or spend spare time on social media. After all, enjoying movies in the home is far better for you than drinking yourself to death!!!

@@moviecollector5920 I do hope so! I would miss going to the cinema and taking the family as a treat. I do agree that peoples habits will probably change, maybe there will be fewer multiplexes and more 'boutique' cinemas when things get back to normal, if they ever do. Thats a sad statistic about an increase in alcoholics, I can believe it with the lack of social contact, furloughs, job losses, etc.

Not even the cinema shows uncompressed video. because not even the cinema can handle so many terabytes for a single movie

Thank you for sharing your observations tundraportal. When I did this test I used a standard blu-ray player to test against the 4K but still could not see a perceptible difference (apart from HDR of course) but that's down to our tiny home screens. I think you're exactly right that a cinema projector, particularly on a massive screen, will make the extra sharpness and clarity of the 4K obvious. John.

@@moviecollector5920 If your not seeing any difference between a blu ray player and a 4k player (playing the same blu ray disc on both) then you need a good quality (high end) 4K player. Not all players are created equal, even if they are 4k players. There is absolutely no way a good blu ray player will be as good as a good 4K player, while playing the same blu ray disc. It's just impossible. Until the OPPO players stopped being made, they were the benchmark for 4k, now Panasonic has taken over somewhat, with their £800 - £1000 models. Someone might still be able to get an OPPO 205 for £3000 or so, if their very lucky on ebay. Mine cost £1500 when new and I dread the day i need to replace it. When I buy 4K films and they come with the blu ray disc, I give the blu ray to my mates, as they look rubbish compared too the 4K versions.

@@sirmalus5153 I need a bigger screen. Eight and a half feet wide isn't enough to show the difference and it's the same at cinemas which is why about half of all screens get away with 2K projection and why most videos shown in cinemas today are 2K. A better 4K player will also improve Blu-ray so don't believe all the sales patter, but I will get a better equipped Panny when one of my existing players gives up.

I don't use Zavvi often... only once and I think that was for the Super 8 4K steelbook so there was no other option than Zavvi. HMV actually have physical shops though and that's why I always use them if I can because I think our towns and cities will be all the poorer if we lose them. After all, there's nothing else these days other than perhaps the odd minor record store dotted about here and there. Maybe ABBA will now regenerate an almost lost industry - well, we can all dream! The 3 for £30 deals have certainly enlarged my 4K collection... but depleted my bank account! John.

Thank you for that advice. I shall pay attention to it next time I give 2001 a spin. Which could be any day with the number of times I watch that film! John.

Blu-ray is amazing and I underestimated it until the 4K discs came along. But 4K is better due to HDR... not always, but most of the time. Best way to enjoy either format is with a 4K video projector onto a white wall as big as you can get it. John.

I haven't seen the re-hashes of the original Star Wars since 1997 Shouwn. I don't like all the added in cartooning around the screen but I did think the Death Star attack was fabulous in the re-worked 97 version and would have made a good 400ft Super 8 extract. As it is I only ever watch these films in their original form on Super 8. None of them are the best Super 8 prints ever created but they are good and they are the unmolested, original films. John.

Blade Runner is a great 4K disc. One of the top 35mm transfers I think and I should take another look at it. Well, you've given me an excuse now. It's easier to see the differences in image quality the bigger you go, that's for sure. Maybe if we can resurrect the BFCC we can really put the whole 2K vs. 4K to bed by doing direct comparisons on the 24ft wide screen. Alternatively we can hire the BFI IMAX and project them at 90 feet wide. John.

There have been a couple of times where a Blu-ray has looked more impressive than the 4K on my system but I've usually been able to look at the settings again to put that right. It's a learning process and if you're regularly getting those results then tinker, tinker and tinker again. Some tellies aren't really up to 4K even though they have the label so keep that in mind too. Best way to go is video projection of course but not everyone has the confidence or knowledge for that. I'm here if you fancy giving it a go and have lots of questions. Best of luck. John.

I would disagree with my 85" X95K Sony miniLED.

@@DrakonR That sounds like your telly is arguing with you!!!

Most of the DVD/Blu-ray dealers had gone out of business by the time of that Rover 75 production Jer so I didn't have much opportunity to sell it but it went pretty well irrespective of that from my own TriumphDVD site. That's all pretty much at an end now. The end was coming but the Covid-19 pandemic finished it off. It finished off everything I did but if it hadn't I certainly wouldn't have decided to start this movie channel so it wasn't all bad. I just finished the last ever disc production in October so now I've done everything I promised certain people and car clubs I would do it's time to sort out what I'll be doing next. It will be difficult to keep this channel going without any income at all so I'll have to come up with something. Good luck with your own channel. I think I'm your 13th subscriber. John.

@@moviecollector5920 Thanks John for the sub (very much appreciated) and for all the information on the Rover 75 production, it's a shame with what happened with the COVID pandemic but at least you started this channel which is great and from your channel I found Trevor's, so not all bad. All the best for the future and I look forward to seeing your next video. Jer

All our systems are different and that's something that became increasingly apparent in the four years since this video. Tellies don't make the results as obvious as projection for obvious reasons but even so, you'll still find different results in different combinations of player and telly. John.

It was a little surprising to me how little perceptible difference there is sometimes from Blu-ray to 4K but we're viewing on tiny home screens so I think that's the limiting factor. Once I've got a 30 foot screen installed I'm sure I'll see a bigger difference! As for a Blu-ray player I stick with Panasonic because I remember all the problems with the format when it started and Panasonic were the only manufacturer who seemed to get to grips with it. Other than that, I prefer to have a player with all the audio connections on the back rather than just an HDMI which is not much use a lot of the time. It is possible to get little devices that break up the sound into different connectors so it's maybe not the biggest consideration but around £100 for a Panasonic Blu-ray with an optical audio connection so you can attach it to an older home cinema amplifier/receiver is probably what's required. For 4K it's a bit more of a minefield and more expensive so let me know if you plan to go down that route. John.

Blu-ray is fabulous so you're making the right decision there JR. When your telly packs up is the time to get into 4K. John.

I thought I'd replied to this Indra so my apologies if this one slipped through the net. Quite a few comments have reappeared in my list as unreplied lately so something appears to be amiss in my RU-vid account. HDR is the closest we've had to the filmic look on video but it does depend on the grader getting it right. It all seems to be a bit variable right now but maybe there will be some sort of accepted standard in the future. How that could be achieved though I really don't know. John.

You may well be right there Mr. Terminator Juice. The HDR seems to look identical on my Panasonic 40 inch (i.e about 35 inches wide) television. I think this is because I always set up my equipment to resemble film as closely as possible whereas most people have the brightness way higher. Good point though and the way a video looks generally does seem to vary on different systems. John.

That's a good summary. Personally I like a film to look like a film and Night of the Living Dead in particular is a great Super 8 feature simply because it suits the gritty look of the print that was evidently used as master material. But going back to the camera negative for many films will make them look cleaner and more like a modern video production simply because prints were not struck from the original camera negative (apart from premiere house prints and 70mm blow-ups) so they will look cleaner due to them being a first generation copy. Mass 35mm prints are struck from the internegative which itself is taken from the interpositive. The interpositive is struck from the camera negative and used for colour grading etc. so you can see that a lot of potential film grain was introduced via this process. Go back to the camera negative and it's virtually eliminated. Sometimes it's not possible though because the negative has long gone or it's faded and perished beyond viable use. John.

@@moviecollector5920 My mom's cousins used to own a drive in theater outside of Pittsburgh. I was 9 by the the time they closed. Really regret not keeping any of the 35mm reels, but 9 year old me lacked foresight or space. They kept their copy of Night of the living dead and Dawn of the Dead though since they were extras in them. They used to show them double feature every October. I know that even for original mass 35 prints they were rough from being played for like 30 years, and had some patches from film tares; but it really was a different experience as a kid watching a horror film outdoors on a big screen around where it was filmed. I am thankful to have experienced it though because there are few people around my age who would get that experience; as their only experience had been home video transfers. I also think about how unique it is now. Like the film patch's and poops were unique to my first experience of the film and audio quality from the car stereo just will make it different from anyone else's experience who had seen a theater 35mm version. I do greatly appreciate the work done by Criterion. When you've seen nearly every transfer of a film it really becomes apparent how much work they put into restoring films. Though like I said it suffers from a digital sterile feel that makes it too modern. The best home video experience I feel is the 40th anniversary DVD. Aspects and noise kept in make if feel more like it's how he intended it to be viewed. Though Romero also supervised the early Criterion transfer despite passing before it's release. The 40th is leagues above the 30th anniversary edition that Russo oversaw which was originally for VHS rather than DVD and had really bad extra scenes put in. The 40th though doesn't have those garbage scenes in it, and took advantage of the DVD formats quality. Not to mention it has so much extra features which is sorely missed on modern bluray and 4k. Really I think it's sad that many blu ray and 4k will spout special features on their cover, but what they mean is the bare minimum of an audio commentary and maybe the theatrical trailer. I can't think of many films that include a documentary that has about the same runtime as the film.

@@hardcorehunter7162 Now I'm going to have to find a copy of that 40th anniversary edition because I completely missed it! Film splices, negative dust, specks of dirt and the odd scratch are all a part of film. But I did always appreciate seeing the premiere run prints taken from the negative that we used to enjoy at the top London cinemas. I think I got a bit spoilt there but I never went off Super 8 which because of its miniature size makes any bit of dust look massive upon projection. Any scratches are also enhanced due to the small size and the magnification once it's up there on the screen. It's all part of the fun though really. We didn't really ever have drive-in theatres over here. The weather tends to rule out things like that. I did screen Night of the Living Dead in the garden about 20 years ago though and that was creepy. John.

@@moviecollector5920 Thankfully they're not that rare, and can be found for under $10 on ebay. Drive In's are a fun experience, just harder to find these days. There are still enough in my area probably one every 45 miles. Though there are many states where they've gone extinct. Weather around pittsburgh isn't really ideal for outdoor theaters, but I guess everyone just got used to it. It's in the top 5 cities in the country for gloomy weather. It's a pretty common saying here rain or shine because I guess a lot of people from out of the area think things get canceled when it rains.

Just one thing to be aware of Vincent and that is the 4K fault which affects some discs. It seems to simply be an occasional manufacturing error but the upshot is that after a disc has been played the laser can exacerbate a minor flaw on the silver layer and the disc then starts to break down while sitting on the shelf. The problem overall is not as big as it first looked like it was going to be but out of about 50 4K discs I've repeated in the past six years or so, 5 of them have developed the fault. I only have to replace two more of them now but one of them is the APOLLO 11 documentary and that's rarely available cheaply so I may simply be sticking with the Blu-ray for that one. John.

That's in a video I made last year about the ten best movies shot on video on 4K. It wasn't all shot on video but I included it anyway because it's so good all the way through. Best 4K to date is still Murder on the Orient Express owing to its modern, fine grain 65mm film stock. Still nothing matches large format film so anything released 70mm or genuine 15/70 IMAX are the top 4K releases. Top Gun: Maverick is very good though and that was shot entirely on video. John.

OLED does produce fabulous imagery but sometimes is enhancing things that perhaps should be enhanced. As televisions go though, they do seem to be the best around today. Keith at Euphoria made an interesting video recently on the steelbook of The Invisible Man which I remember as being a tad dowdy on both my systems but on Keith's OLED he was impressed with it. OLED seems to be making blacks look blacker than film which shouldn't really happen but it has impressed Keith. HDR has made the difference between 4K and 2K but I suspect that if HDR had have been added to Blu-ray then 4K would have been a complete waste of time on our tiny home screens. John.

@@moviecollector5920 LG seems to crush blacks ans Sony to elevate blacks, Panasonic oleds on the other hand seem to have the best balanced black levels and picture. At least that is what I'm reading.

@@pietroscarpa2384 Keith at Euphoria Pictures included what he thinks of Dune in his round-up of what he's watched yesterday. It looked better on his OLED television than it did on my video projector so this does seem to explain why it's so variable. I'll put a link in the description to this video asap. John.

Thank you for watching so many of my videos Andrew. I am a much bigger fan of Blu-ray discs than I was thanks to looking at so many of them for this comparison video. 4K is marketed as the format of excellence but the truth is that much of the time you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference between a 4K disc and a 2K Blu-ray. John.

IMDB do list what a film/video was shot in. It's under Technical Details if you didn't already know about it. Jolly handy. John.

@@moviecollector5920 I didn't know that, and yes that's very useful: thanks for the tip! I was thinking something more along of this: www.digiraw.com/DVD-4K-Bluray-ripping-service/4K-UHD-ripping-service/the-real-or-fake-4K-list/

@@RichTeer My browser won't actually allow me to get to that web site - maybe the anti-virus is throwing a fit about something on there. But I was thinking about IMDB and the origin of the films are under Full Technical Specs. at the bottom of the home page of each film. This will take you to Alien for example: www.imdb.com/title/tt0078748/technical?ref_=tt_dt_spec

Yes, VistaVision is outstanding in its own right. If you saw Dark Knight at one of the four genuine IMAX theatres and it looked about as good as IMAX then that shows how good it is. Bradford, Manchester, London Waterloo and London Science Museum although I'm told just the two London theatres screen genuine IMAX now... not sure I can believe that! John.

@@moviecollector5920 It is sad we only have 2 locations left with the actual film projector but back then all the IMAX theaters had them.

@@darrenorange2982 Perhaps I've inadvertently started a campaign to get the IMAX film projectors back!

@@moviecollector5920 Hi John , I actually viewed The Dark knight in 2008 in IMAX at Manchester , if i recall it was the only movie to be shown in IMAX at the timewith a really limited number of viewings (had to prebook) , all I can say was WOW , 13 years later I can still remember it was breath taking , the sharpness of the image on that kind of resolution/screen size was really unreal , they were only a couple of true IMAX scenes , the truck flip being one of them..

@@QFilmz That would have been one of the first mainstream films to include a section of genuine IMAX. Superman Returns had a few in 2006 and although it was spectacular the sequences in question were in 3D so a lot of the impact of the 70mm IMAX image clarity was lost. Someone has told me that the Manchester IMAX is no longer screening film so you'll need to check that before you set out to see another film there. If it's video only then it's probably not worth it yet but video cameras and projection are improving all the time. Give it another few years and we may be getting IMAX film quality from video... just not for a while yet and then there's the expensive projectors to swap out too so thinking about it, it may be a while.

I still don't think we'd be able to discern a difference most of the time Robert. I think I underestimated the quality of Blu-ray and making this video almost four years ago opened my eyes. However, put a 4K disc on a 24ft wide 'Scope screen and then compare it to the Blu-ray and we might see a whole different picture. Know anyone with a 24ft wide screen?.... oh yes, I have one sitting in the cupboard here. Maybe when we do another BFCC I should make the time within the programme for the day to do a 4K vs. 2K (ish) comparison on it. Thank you for looking at this video again and leaving a comment. It does still seem to get watched a bit so maybe it's a subject I should re-visit one day. John.

Now that mention the best DVDs Mr. Holocaust, there are some amazing quality DVDs coming out these days. I saw a little known film called 'Tommy's Honour' on DVD a few months ago and it was like many Blu-rays. Agree about Jaws in 4K. A fabulous video transfer. John.

Is that 150 inches wide or a diagonal measurement Robert. Come on, get your tape measure out!!! I did compare a lot of these 4K discs against the Blu-ray playing in a standard 1080p player and it was still difficult to discern the difference. One day I'll give it all a try on my 10 foot wide drop down screen which may be sizeable enough to make any difference more obvious. I think one of us needs a barn with a 40 foot screen installed just to complete this exercise once and for all.

@@moviecollector5920 Hi John, 150" diagonal screen about 135" wide including the frame. I've switched from a 1.78 to 2.35 - an expensive mistake resulting in a brand new Stewart screen languishing in my spare bedroom. On the difference I think the UHD has more impact than the resolution. of course, the source material is the most important. Just bought the Blu-ray of the old British science fiction classic - The Day The Earth Caught Fire - very excited!

@@Celestialrob 11 feet 3 inches. An impressive size. And as for The Day The Earth Caught Fire, I'm coming round!!!

@@moviecollector5920 yeah, but it's a long trip to California :) I think we have the same 4k player!

It all depends on how good the film looked when it was shot Austin. That's down to several factors but primary of them is the negative stock. This is why genuine IMAX 15/70 films look better than anything else on 4K. John.

It varies from disc to disc. I think Spider-Man is the one I've set lowest of all but a lot of them have to go on Light Environment so that the image isn't too blown out. Most do seem to be best on Bright although all our systems are different and what works best on one will not be the same on another. John.

I don't actually know how wide 60 inches is David but probably about four feet which isn't very big. It seems that tellies show up the differences more than video projection judging by what you're saying. I'm currently projecting ten feet wide but I can't tell you what that is in television measurements other than it's got to be somewhat bigger than 135 inches. The perceptible difference I pick up on is HDR but even that can be difficult to perceive because some Blu-rays are so good. I think I made this video about three years ago but I'm still checking just about every 4K I watch against the Blu-ray. I never watch on a telly though other than to occasionally check a detail for a review. I haven't watched movies on a telly for about 18 years now which is when affordable home video projection became just about good enough. John.

Fair point! Fantastic Beasts is aimed at the Harry Potter fan so I think it's fair to say it's for children but I suppose we could say the same for Star Wars. John.

I've never actually seen that film but if I recall correctly, it stars the same little girl from the 1994 remake of Miracle on 34th Street and she is brilliant. John.

I think that difference is HDR H.A.L. 9000. I need a bigger screen... much bigger! John.

Agreed. Those Planet Earth transfers are exceptional. John.

I still need to check that one out! It's been on my shelf for a while now

@@MyFireVideos Be prepared to have a giraffe or two in your living room.

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You've reached the same conclusion as I. The difference in overall quality has got to be there but it's impossible to make it out without having two very large screens side by side. I do notice with some 4K I shoot myself if I then have to shrink it down to HD for a Blu-ray release but that's probably only because I know the shots so well. John.

I'm currently at 9 feet wide Michael but I estimate about 25 feet might make it obvious. I don't think a big enough telly exists... well, not for home use anyway. John.

Thanks for that NIck. I have an eye test coming up so that may tell me something. Last time I was 20/10 but that was two years ago now and I know my close-up vision has gone a little. I think what is possibly happening on my system is that the image is so sharp on the video projector that any shortcomings are disguised (not quite the same on my 40 inch television as it's simply too small). But if I were to project two identical systems next to each other on the same sized screen I would see the difference, although it would be small. Similarly, a 30 foot wide screen would surely illustrate the extra detail of a genuine 4K disc. On the other hand, Murder On The Orient Express is so good that it may still be impossible to tell. HDR is the main difference on our tiny home screens and I suppose that's one reason why HDR has not been applied to Blu-ray.

I'd been wondering about that Zig so thank you for clarifying. It must cost a fortune for a cinema video projector so I suppose the best the smaller venues can hope for is that a better model comes up for sale second hand. John.

@@moviecollector5920 Not like the old days when you could have a projector for decades and it would still be great. Though they are far more reliable to the point that there really isn't such a thing as a projectionist any more. Which is sad. The new laser projectors that some cinemas are starting to get are HDR as much as I can tell. Great channel. Love your set up. The automation is a lovely touch.

@@ZigUncut I got so jaded with the poor quality video projections that I rarely visit a cinema now unless I know a real film print is being screened. Thankfully 70mm has made a bit of a resurgence in recent years so film hasn't gone completely extinct. Some of the 35mm projectors were around from the 1920s and simply maintained and updated with better lenses and all the modern sound reading and decoding paraphernalia. A projection box used to be such a fascinating, magical place but now they're largely a push button bore. John.

@@moviecollector5920 Also the later, better, emulsions for the films didn't need any upgrade of the projectors. My appreciation goes to Graham Ritchie in NZ who is still keeping an Erneman II projector going at his home cinema and prefers the 35mm prints to any digital copies.

Passengers is a great Blu-ray. It is a video rather than a film though but I do think it's one of the best looking videos I've seen. John.

Very nice of you to say so. One thing I failed to mention in this is that I think one of us needs to install a massive screen (40ft was going to be my cheeky suggestion) and then do the 4K vs. 2K comparison. At that size I think we'll see a perceptible difference.

I might get old but I don't expect I'll ever grow up.

DVD is still the biggest seller Alex. About 50% of the total disc market in fact. Blu-ray was a daft name and probably the biggest reason why it didn't take off. If it had have been called 'HDDVD' then everyone would have known what it was and not some incomprehensible new looking format that it seemed like you'd need computer skills to understand. John.

Interestingly Sue, up until a few years ago I had 20/10 vision (getting old now) so you may have something there. John.

You can probably see much more than what is in the image information in the movie

If you look at a snow pile 30 meters away, you can see a lot of details. If you try to take the picture with a mobile phone even if it has 20 megapixels, the details will at your best look blurry. NOTE without optical zoom

I think we're mainly just paying for HDR MrBrax. But sometimes it really does make a significant difference - 'Prince of Darkness' being a good example. John.

@@moviecollector5920 Yeah, quite good HDR on some discs in fact. Industry is finally starting to move to native 4K too, hope that keeps up.

@@MrBrax I suppose that will happen as computers get faster because it's all down to the time it takes to render the finished film. Good news that they're moving in that direction.

For dark HDR scenes yes, not for brightness. OLED is poor compared to a QLED in that regard lol

@@Tommylad99876 why do you need a brighter TV than an OLED?

Newcastle doesn't have IMAX any longer. I can't recall that it ever did Nicola but it should have done. Sadly there are only three in the UK but there were once six. One more might be returning to the IMAX fold (Bradford) but the others abandoned the format for lower quality video projection. The best of these faux IMAX cinemas are capable of just over 4K which is obviously a joke compared to the enormity of the true 15/70 IMAX film format. But I bet you're having a great time with 4K projection in your home in Spain. Hope you're getting wonderful results with it and enjoying every single minute. HDR makes a big difference to most 4K discs and results in a video projection that can be made to look even more like a film print. John.

@@moviecollector5920 it had one in the metro centre as recently as 2020 doubt anything would have changed we went a few times., just checked they still do at the Odeon in Gateshead which is 2 mins from Newcastle it in the metro centre.

And I also think Stefan, that the bigger the screen the easier it will be to gell the difference. Once I've got a 30 foot wide screen in my home I'll be able to give better informed opinions of each release. First I just need a much bigger home! John.

Blu-ray is about 2K and 4K is 4K. Maybe I should say 'Standard Blu-ray vs. 4K UHD Blu-ray'. Hope that clarifies it for you. John.

@@moviecollector5920 It did, thanks!

I'll press my face to the screen next time Kevin! John.

@@moviecollector5920 ah that breaks the cardinal rule in our house - no one touches the screen!

@@kevinsoutham Good point!

I've been to TV stores so that statement I can say is completely wrong. images from 4K look much more natural. the grass. the skin. the tile. It is the irregularities in your skin that make your skin look natural. The details of your skin that you do not see on a 1080p TV

I think 77 inches is about five feet wide in reality. What I'd like to do is project a direct comparison 24 feet wide on the BFCC CinemaScope screen. If we can resurrect the BFCC and get a 4K projector capable of that size there then we'll all be able to find out once and for all how well Blu-ray stands up. It will be a lot of fun to do it so keep your fingers crossed. John.

I don’t get it, why would the screen size matter if the view distance ratio remains consistent. Are you getting so close that you are viewing content outside your effective field of view?

Very, very interesting information Ken. 40 foot should be conclusive enough!!! John.

A Blu-ray disc on a 40 foot screen is not motion picture quality. Not even close.

Only one of three cinemas currently capable of projecting IMAX in the UK today. Andy at Electricgeek took a trip from Scotland to Manchester to see OPPENHEIMER there and shot a video of his adventure which is up on RU-vid and worth a look. Bradford will be putting IMAX back in when it re-opens apparently so we'll have four IMAX cinemas then. John.

Thanks I'll give that a watch. It's actually my local cinema so I was lucky enough to see Oppenheimer and also Dunkirk if I remember correctly in 70mm. Not my favourite movies of all time or anything but a fantastic experience. Got a real sense of vertigo from the dogfighting scenes in Dunkirk which has to be a good sign!

@@retromuel INTERSTELLAR is the ultimate cinema movie providing you see it in genuine IMAX and not one of the faux IMAX video projection cinemas. TENET is the most impressive image quality but it's a close call between that and DUNKIRK. John.

Thank you for that. But it's pretty much 2K and that's all that matters. 4K is four times the information so that's good enough for me.

@__ That sounds about right to me. Thanks for confirming the accurate figures. John.

No. I never really cared for that film very much but there has been a feature length documentary made about Ghostbusters that I fancy taking a look at. And it's available as a Blu-ray so one day I might yet still get into the whole Ghostbusters thing. John.

I do look most of them up before I comment on them in the videos Cheetahluv210 and it is surprising when some of them are genuine 4K releases despite the excessive computer cartooning that has been added to them. If HDR was available on standard Blu-ray then I don't think there would be any perceptible gain for home viewing... unless someone's got a 25 foot wide screen I suppose!

@@moviecollector5920 I’ll hopefully let you know by this fall. We’re installing a 20 foot wide screen in the home theater going in our new home and expect to be in by October, 2021 👍

@@chriswhite8717 Excellent! Over here we're looking to resurrect the British Film Collectors Convention on an occasional basis (every three or four years) and if we can find a suitable venue we'll have the 24 foot wide CinemaScope screen to play with again. Super 8 even looked impressive on that given the print being projected so 4K should be exceptional. I'll be over to see 2001 once you've got your new home cinema sorted so be warned! John.

@@moviecollector5920 we would love to have you

@@chriswhite8717 Thank you Chris. It would be amazing to be able to fly out but that's a dream for now until Covid-19 has been consigned to the history books. Won't be long in the UK by the looks of it, just need to eradicate this pesky Brazilian variant that has recently got in before we can be sure we'll be vaccinated out of the whole thing within a few months. John.

Funnily enough AJ, we did run that 4K disc of Fantastic Beasts again recently (I've been checking quite a few 4K discs from years ago to see if they've developed the 4K fault but so far only 5 have out of about 25) and I didn't think the film was anywhere near as awful as I thought first time around. I still don't much care for it but I was prepared for the disappointment this time and that helps. I do actually have the Blu-ray of the sequel awaiting a watch so I'll have to get around to that too soon. John.

Thanks Stephen. I too have found that older Blu-rays have been surpassed by a re-master for 4K but when the same master is used for both it's not always so clear cut. 'Prince of Darkness' is an exception and there are a few others. Not sure about this 4K IMAX thing though because IMAX 70mm film contains so much information I doubt it would fit on a 20TB hard drive. I'm going to be getting The Ten Commandments though, that's for sure. VistaVision should ensure that looks better than just about all the modern films currently being released. The major studios really do need to get back to large format film to entice patrons back into cinemas. John.

@@moviecollector5920 The reviews on the new Imax 4k remaster of Batman vs.Superman is night and day "Better" comes out 3-23-21

@@stephensdygert7600 That confirms its genuine 70mm IMAX origins then Stephen. I never actually considered watching it but given that it was shot in real ['reel'] IMAX I may now just give it a try. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction! John.

Well you and I are in complete agreement here 1165mac. Now I'm just going to have to work out how wide a 125 inch diagonal measurement is but I think it's getting on for nine feet wide which is roughly what I'm currently projecting. But I plan to be a couple of feet wider in the future if we ever get the new home cinema completely finished. John.

@@moviecollector5920 Yep, once you go to 2.35:1 aspect you never go back!

@@1165mac Then again there are the few genuine Cinerama films that are wider than anything else so there's a challenge for you. Screen extension required! A cheaper solution is to close the top and bottom masking a little more which is what I do. John.

Thank you David. I think that's the HDR button I was pointing out but it turns out it's not on the first generation Panasonic 4K players so you have to go through the menu system to put the HDR brightness up and down in those. I expect it's the same for other makes of player such as Sony. It does only function when a 4K disc with HDR is in the player so with any other disc if it's pressed nothing happens. John.

Well I've kept them all Gary. One point I can't remember if I included in the 4K vs. Blu-ray/2K video is that all systems vary and what looks exceptional on one may not like quite the same on another. Always minimize or turn off any digital trickery such as 'Sharpen' and that may stop messing the image up on certain discs. Other than that, run the disc via whichever player it looks best on. I have the Marketing Films 3x400ft Super 8 cut down of Star Trek The Motion Picture. And I was just thinking tonight (while watching episode 7 of Star Trek Picard on Blu-ray) how I would handle a Star Trek retrospective review and that Super 8 print would show up as would the original Enterprise being restored at the International Air & Space Museum back in 2016 cos' guess who was there with a video camera and managed to get access?!? John.

@@moviecollector5920 Ha. Excellent John. I am a massive sci fi fan and I have a picture of me in Matt Smith's/Calpadi's tardis console room, so I understand your joy of seeing the Enterprise. Thanks for that explanation on the differing tech and pros and cons of all. Very useful. Appreciated.

@@Thunderpuddle How they got Captain Kirk to fit in that spaceship is beyond me. They must have found a way to miniaturize William Shatner! John.

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It's close enough for me Robert. The interesting thing is that if HDR had have been applied to Blu-ray (and there were plans afoot apparently) then 4K would be a pointless exercise for the tiny screens in the home market. I was surprised quite how good Blu-ray really is when I looked more closely into it. John.

I've got multiple machines for just about every format William. I have a second UHD Blu-ray player in the living room so the standard Blu-ray player doesn't get used often now. It does handle multi-region DVD though so occasionally it's still pressed into use. And it's darned handy to check a standard Blu-ray without the 4K upscaling when you do a comparison video such as this one. John.

@@moviecollector5920 I've totally forgotten about the 4k upscaler.

Dolby Atmos is on many new Blu-rays too now. But I do agree and I find I splash out on a 4K rather than a Blu-ray every time a title is available on both. John.

@@moviecollector5920 indeed.

It truly is. But "you're gonna' need a bigger screen!"

I've only come across it on laser disc so far Max. It's the glue that binds the disc layers together where it eats through one or more of those layers. Some makes of disc are more prone to it than others. Something I have to be wary of because I do release DVDs and Blu-rays of my own historic British car documentaries and Falcon, JVC and Sony are the only manufacturers who have seen their products survive long term (100 year plus) soak tests. John.

@@moviecollector5920 Thanks for the perspective. Very informative :) Appreciate it

@@moviecollector5920 I never considered it may be manufacturer-specific

@@maxanderson9187 Over time we may ascertain that specific disc labs are producing discs that are more prone to laser rot/disc rot so let's see how it develops and then perhaps we'll being to know which titles in our collections could be in danger. John.

It's close Tristan and that's good enough for me. It made for a catchy thumbnail anyway.

Rest assured a 4K Blu-ray player plays DVDs and Blu-rays Maurice. You will need a 4K telly though but that wouldn't be my recommendation because to get the best out of current video discs you need to project them as big as possible. That's the way to go young man. I wish these 4K players could play CD-I's though but no one ever takes those into consideration and yet it's what has led to today's video disc market.. that and LaserDisc which finally took off owing to the failure of CD-I. John.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION, I DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WOULD PLAY BLU-RAYS AND DVDS, BUT THEY WILL PLAY ON A 4K TELEVISION

@@mauricelemire6003 Yes Maurice, these 4K UHD Blu-ray players are backwards compatible so you'll be able to watch your whole disc collection if you get one. I would recommend a budget 4K video projector rather than a telly though so keep your existing telly and then use a projector for watching movies, particularly the 4K discs which are often swo good that they are comparable to 35mm general release prints. All you need is a flat, painted white wall to project onto so don't listen to the propaganda about the importance of expensive screens. My own home cinema is a wall with black velvet covered cardboard to mask the projected image. Optoma have a 4K projector for about £900 and a friend has one who is chuffed to bits with the quality it gives him. He did purchase a motorized, drop down screen though and you can see all this on his RU-vid channel at Double Bill Movies. John.

I did something similar to this in my Alien review Jerry. I plan to do the same with The Fifth Element and possibly a few others so stand by. John.

They do seem to get better results from 6K scans but the codecs have improved markedly. When this all started I don't think they were able to compress so 35mm negative was around 90mb per frame. Imagine the storage for one feature film on that basis. 8K seems to work for 65mm so I suppose the logical compression is 4K for 35mm but I haven't seen a 70mm feature compared to an 8K on a huge screen so I'm judging this just from our tiny home screens. John.

Blu-ray was much better than we all though prior to 4K and now with the way films are mastered into 4K, the Blu-ray using the same master has been proven to be almost as good. HDR is often the only persceptible difference. And you're right about the studios upscaling 2K video because most special effects laden movies do just that. I actually tested from a standard Blu-ray player in this video and on a home screen the difference is still imperceptible - or almost imperceptible - at times. I need a 30 foot wide screen! A lot of DVDs back in 1997 and 1998 were copies of the LaserDisc masters so they weren't all as good as they could have been. John.

You got it Marlo, well done. I may get old but I'll never grow up. John.

I think you've hit the nail on the head there with a perfect summary. John.

Because I've been getting quite a few comments from people in the industry and also learning quite a lot since starting this channel, I'm able to confirm that all 4K disc releases (and I believe Blu-rays too) have a certain amount of image noise reduction because scanning a film exacerbates the appearance of film grain. The reason some of them look completely devoid of grain and some have the side effect of the waxy appearance is because someone has had the idea of turning a film into a 3D abomination to generate a new stream of income. Predator Blu-ray and Terminator 2: Judgment Day are the most widely known titles in this regard but Star Wars was going to go through the same process and so that was 'scrubbed' in preparation for a 3D release but it never happened. That is why the 4K disc release of Star Wars has a sterile look and can be difficult to watch as a result. But overall, these problems are few and if you have a look at a video I did when I chose what I consider to be the ten best 4K's in my collection then you'll get an idea for what is good and perhaps start collecting some of those first. As for getting a big television, better than that would be a video projector as you won't be restricted by the size of the box then and more by the size of the wall you'll be projecting onto. With the best discs, the bigger they are projected, the better they look as they still look great but have an even bigger impact. It's also a lot of fun playing at cinemas. John.

@@moviecollector5920 Didn't even think of that - I thought it was more to do with the younger generation not wanting to see "grainy" footage, and that they wouldn't think something was wrong with the image - or companies thinking 4K = looking "new/modern", but that makes sense too. But... I've also seen this happen with animation, especially anime on Blu-ray, even in just 2K on regular Blu-ray release. And yes, a projector is on my wishlist.... someday! haha. I need the right space and the right wall. Can you get true blacks from a projector like you can from an OLED? I know there will be a difference, also depending on the wall-screen used, but still.

@@polygon.fiction6514 It is the 3D fiasco that's caused the worst excesses of image noise reduction but my opinion is that someone in charge should put a halt on the same master file being used to issue a standard Blu-ray of 4K disc. Some people do like the more sterile look though so maybe it's not quite the stupidity that I think it is. When it comes to video projection there is a lot of nonsense being said about what you can or can't - or perhaps, should or should not do - and it's all a load of cobblers. Paint a flat white wall and you're sorted. Put some black velvet masking around the projected image to fool the human eye into thinking the contrast is better than it really is and you've created a cinema in miniature in the home. Most 4K projectors are very good but I would never want one resembling the look of an OLED telly which I find a little too fake to look at. I've always set all my equipment up to resemble the look of film as closely as possible. I prefer to project onto a wall but because of our present screening room I'm using our ten foot roll down screen that is usually in the living room. I hope to get things back to normal soon though so it will be interesting to see if I can perceive any difference between a white screen and a white wall. If you do ever get a projector, try not to turn the colour up too high as many people seem to think overly rich, fake looking colours produce a better image. When you do then get an exceptionally colourful 4K disc the impact could be somewhat lost. The Ten Commandments is the best example I've seen for this. John.

@@moviecollector5920 A year later, and I now have a 4K OLED, and HDR plus the true blacks can be pretty amazing. It's nice to at least have the option of 4K, even though most 1080p still looks excellent. Although, I've noticed that the "right" amount of DNR - just slightly (like you said) to avoid the overabundance of grain, can still look nice without loss of detail or grain altogether. It's sad how many movies have been "scrubbed", even before a 4K "restoration". On the flipside, sometimes a new 4K restoration means correcting a subpar older transfer used on an older standard blu-ray release.

Yes, most of the world I think. But over here the opportunity to use the historic popularity of the Le Mans 24 hours race could not be missed. In the USA there is more of an emphasis on the Sebring 12 hours but that wouldn't have worked as a film, hence the alternative titles I think. John.

Thank you Super Collector Clark. I think the Star Wars sweatshirt was a EuroDisney purchase at Star Tours in 1992. If I could find somewhere still selling the exact same shirt I'd buy another but alas, I don't know of anyone selling them today. John.

I remember you getting the projector Danny. 35mm is estimated at about 6K I think but film is random grain so it's probably higher quality than that in reality. Negative stock would be a lot higher. Equivalence between video and film is difficult and it's all down to perceptions really. In that regard a home screen is going to look similar irrespective of 35mm film or video because we just don't have the room for big enough screens. I did mean to suggest that one of us needs to purchase a barn and stick a 40 foot screen in it just so we can really put all the different formats to the test but I forgot to say it. It is the HDR that makes the 4K discs superior (assuming it's been done correctly that is) and with that more lifelike colour it does make video look more like a film print. On home screens it is very close now between film and video.

Cheers John 👍🏼

@@moviecollector5920 Hi, and thanks for the videos, which I'm watching with interest. If 8k ever becomes a thing, with reasonable content availability, I would intend to upscale/double up to a 30ft diagonal. OK, not huge by commercial standards, but I'm blown away by my existing setup so Ive no doubt 4x screen area would be even more life affirming.

@@timalanthwaite4759 We do have a 24ft screen for the BFCC so if we can resurrect the film collectors conventions then I plan to put 4K to the test on that and see how it fares against Blu-ray. If that day ever comes then we will then all know if there is any merit to a home system of more than 4K. But if you do manage to get a 30ft setup in the meantime, I'm coming over!!! John.

@@moviecollector5920 And you'd be very welcome. Other than Widebottom Weekend I don't get out much, but would love to side by side film and video resolutions. Regards, Tim

That would be the mastering Rod because if a Blu-ray is taken from the same 4K video master file then it's all down to mastering rather than the transfer. John.

Perhaps try the Blu-ray of 'Klute' (Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland) and you should find that you appreciate the gritty look of that film and why it had such coarse grain. Not sure why Ghostbusters should have excessive film grain though. Must have come from a print or at least several generations down from the original camera negative. Some shot on video releases now are top-notch - Le Mans 66 for example so it can be done. Spartacus is a top-notch 4K but I expect you already have that one. Escape From New York is actually rather good too. John.

An interesting concept. I expect the creator of that video is talking about our tiny home screens which may well be true but I can categorically confirm that it is not the case on bigger screens. A visit to a genuine IMAX cinema to see a 70mm IMAX film will confirm it to you if you have one you can get to. There aren't many left in the world now and most purporting to be IMAX are a watered down version showing video on smaller screens. 'Death on the Nile' is expected to be released in 70mm 2.2:1 in October so see if you can find a cinema screening that in 70mm and that should look somewhat better than a television image too. Great post and thank you. John.

@@moviecollector5920 Managed to find the video I was talking about for your info. Cheers for the reply. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VxNBiAV4UnM.html

@@mustangj0hn Yep, it's tiny home screens he's talking about... The IMAX is safe!!!

It's the enormous frame size that makes the difference. Take a look at my Tenet review because I think I go into the detail of it all a bit in that one. John.

That's a good summary. I tested my standard Blu-ray player against upscaled Blu-ray and there was little or no perceptible difference there either. A test I will do again some time in the future. At the time of this test I think the 'Murder on the Orient Express' Blu-ray was better than any of the 4K discs I had at the time, other than 'Murder on the Orient Express' of course. It's still the best but 'Tenet' came pretty close. '1917' is very good too but sometimes too obviously manipulated video rather than film which marks it down a notch or two for me. Most of the time though, '1917' is exceptional. John.

I have it on Blu-ray Alexander and that is a fine copy of the film but it was a little blue as I recall. I can well imagine HDR had that sorted rather well. John.

I have the Scream Factory edition of Halloween II and it's a nice disc. The colours do seem a little too vibrant for a film supposedly set in October but I don't know the sequel well enough to be categoric. If the colours on the 4K of the 1978 film look the same then I'd say that someone has richened them up a little too much. I do have a copy of it on Super 8 and so when I saw an extract of a 35mm print at the National Film Theatre I was able to see that the look was near identical to the Super 8. John.