4TF Console Face-Off: Xbox Series S vs PlayStation 4 Pro: Elden Ring, Cyberpunk, Witcher + More! 

I mean, duh. The series S has more RAM, a (much) better CPU, a SSD, a GPU architecture that must be like 7 years apart and most likely a myriad of software optimization due to having more recent hardware. I'm not really sure what people were exactly expecting (nor what the point of this video really is)

Yeah, a completely shitty PS4 CPU is holding back the GPU. What a great example of a silly bottleneck.

all Microsoft had to do is repurpose their original xbox x with a better cpu but hey..

If the rest of the hardware is nearly 7 years old. Then yes , the GPU clearly “isn’t the whole picture” But if the hardware is half decent and RECENT , THE GPU is 90% of the picture …

True, but the argument can't be dismissed outright. TFLOP numbers are still a decently reliable gauge of GPU performance if both products use the same or similar architecture (i.e. Xbox Series X vs PS5).

Exactly why I got one this black Friday. Plus it's pretty easy to set up an emulator on it, so it's kind of a no brainer to me

Shit in some stores the Series S is even cheaper then the PS4 Pro

Series S is more for a kid I had a series s and I always felt like I was missing out so I got the Series X to go with my PS5 👍

One x is better.

@@majesticcamels4198only if you’re playing 30fps.

The series s is amazing for its price.

Definitely spend the Xtra money and get the series x, next time you watch digital foundery you will be happy you did

You can't beat the performance and the visuals that you get for the price it's an amazing little console..... Especially with a 1440p monitor

For the price and if you have a VRR screen it's a nobrainer.

@stefan Or they could just spend the extra $200 on buying video games...

I agree. Microsoft have really outdone themselves this time. Good thing it's early in it's life cycle so we can watch it struggle for years to come.

what could serie s do?= no 1 knows except falling way below 1080 p and missing ray tracing from most new games

@@rinkumultani6515 L

@@theseventhdman agree calling series s next gen console is stupid when its missing ray tracing in almost all games and have lower resolution then ps4 in few games

@@rinkumultani6515 "Next-Gen" Doesn't just refer to graphical capabilities. Nintendo Switch is considered a 9th Generation console.

Any good implementations, sadly my only experiences is the broken implementation in Deep Rock Galactic and the blurry one in Witcher 3, I can't get over how they literally disable the sharpening option when FSR2 is selected lol.

@@219SilverChoc - In Witcher 3 FSR2 looks good on the Quality setting for my PC. Anything higher reduces performance.

I know its just amazzzzing

I literally bought two of my friends SSDs because I was tired of waiting around in co op games for them to load in 🤣

@@vanceg4901 It worked well from a quick test on my PC, but il have to add a small amount extra sharpening to get close to how it used to look. Would rather take softness over the pixelation on PS4 Pro or the oversharpening that the default sharpening can cause.

I’ve gotten so used to it that last month I bought a PS5 and forgot that it wasn’t the standard on PlayStation. I was pissed when I had to do a whole boss battle on GOW after I had switched over to Ratchet and Clank lol

Quick Resume sort of ruined my experience with the Series S. Games would too often refresh completely and some weren’t supported at all (the Outer Worlds). It didn’t play well with online servers either, even for single-player games. It badly needs to be fixed.

@@bizmonkey007 yeah it doesn’t work well with online games and some games does experience bugs after resuming, but for me playing mostly offline it is superior to having to completely reload the game even though it is fast.

when i used my uncles xbox series x that’s the feature i found most impressive and that i missed the most when i got my ps5

@@bizmonkey007 obviously it can't work properly with online games, do you think that the servers will stop the game for other players too, waiting for you? LoL For single-player games, in my experience, it works very, very well.

It’s not a problem. Go play A Plagues Tale: Requiem and it looks a amazing. These guys just need to start using the next gen technologies and things will really start to shine. The Series S punches above its weight if anything.

199€? Sempre vi a 249€ :| Quem me dera ter apanhado uma 199€ era compra certa.

@@guesswho5170 are you developer?

It's not really. More often than not its textures that are loaded into the RAM and if you're not targeting 4k you need significantly less RAM

That's not the problem, that's a feature part of the Xbox Velocity Architecture. It's up to the game developers to work with that for the benefit of their games. But the majority of games being released until now are being made with the 8th gen in mind still.

The two games you mentioned are examples of great optimization. Cyberpunk, Elden Ring and GTA V on the other hand...

@@VTorner I'm a little spoiled having a solid screen with freesync premium, for me the framrate fluctuations on series S rarely impact the overall experience. That said, now my ps4 feels extra worse to play since any fps dips are super noticeable. With the right display you really won't even notice poor optimization on series S. You hear them mention this a lot on digital foundry and for people questioning if it's worth the display upgrade, I can say with certainty it absolutely is. Also, a game like Plague Tale Requiem massively benefits from the 40 fps mode you only get with a 120hz or higher screen.

@@Orain88 I have a pc freesync 1.0 monitor, will it be usable for Series S? The range is 40-72hz

@@main_tak_becus6689 I'm not sure. Freesync 1.0 is pretty old right? I'm not super familiar with the full range of compatibility of this stuff. I can tell you I have a 60 hz freesync screen as well and that seems to work fine so long as the fps stays high enough but it doesn't maintain as much smoothness as my high refresh rate screen since it has low frame-rate compensation features that helps smooth out any big performance dips. I don't think series S or any 9th gen console for that matter can take full advantage of a 72hz display. It only offers 60hz or 120hz. I would think that in 60hz mode with freesync enabled it ought to work most of the time save for severe framerate drops, but I don't know for sure.

@@VTorner gta 5 is just disgusting on XSS in performance mode

Since Last-Gen consoles lacks hardware decompression, loading times are often bottlenecked by the Jaguar CPUs in the PS4 Pro. This is also the reason for why the improvements in loading times while playing Last-Gen games on Current Gen consoles, scales with the increase in CPU performance rather than Storage Speed. However, having an SSD in a Last-Gen consoles can still provide great improvements over a mechanical drive, primarily when it comes to Random Access, due to the much lower Seek Time!

@@TecraX2 yep, in many games, the simple swap from a HDD to SATA SSD (or even external USB SSD) in these older consoles results in like a 50% cut in most loading times and way less pop-in. Night and day difference.

Yep, I bought mine for an old 1080p plasma TV that I wasn't using and it's been amazing with GP. I only bought it on a whim and I ended up using it far more than I thought I would.

yep

It’s beautiful imo. I would not recommend ssd on an original ps4 with cyberpunk, because it is limited to SATA II read speeds but it’s still a great play through on all consoles and pc

What about a external SSD on PS5 or Series X for playing Cyberpunk? Would it play even better? 🤔

@@GotSawst well I don't think you can use a external SSD on the series x and don't know how the ps5 handles an external SSD

In case of PS4 Pro, it is best to replace the HDD with SSD. The console have SATA3 interface - there are bottlenecks elsewhere that make it impossible to utilise this bandwidth fully, but it still helps massively in terms of loading times and texture pop-in. Unfortunately, launch PS4 and Slim use SATA2 which means difference between stock HDD and SSD is almost none. In general, if someone is stuck with PS4 Pro as their main/only gaming machine for foreseeable future, getting a SATA3 SSD is definitely a worthy upgrade.

@@GotSawst no because Series X version would require using the faster internal SSD.

Negligible. Updated my X1X to SSD and load times definitely improved but it doesn't have enough matching I/O architecture to keep up with asset streaming like the new gen.

@@XBX1MASTERI put an SSD on XoX and same games changed a lot, Ascent for instance, the loading times fell from 2 minutes to 25 seconds, but I only see this degree of diferences on new games, at old ones the difference was little.

@Alex Deivid da Silva that makes sense as when I got the Xbox one x at the time there was no increase in drive speed as they couldn’t or didn’t increase it. They definitely did it on purpose but idk why

@@AlexDeivid that's because the CPU has to decompress the level assets when loading so depending on their size this takes much longer, so the SSD makes very little difference as the bottleneck is the jaguar CPU cores.

Apart from SSD I would also let Pro run in 1080p mode without Super Sampling - framerates are a lot more stable and there's no checkerboarding artifacts, plus it's a lot more quiet (and I mean A LOT MORE).

There is a Series S vs One X video on the Channel

@Zalan Khan they stated that in their comment.

@@juanestrada7757 yeah hadnt watched The Whole Vid at this point

It’s about the same

"cracking"????

@@TurboXray Brit speak for "great"

Itz chewzday innit bruv

@@notthebees2950 fetch me a bo'oh o wa er bruv.

Yeah, Eurogamer made an article on this. Series S is by far the most energy-efficient console out there (not counting the Switch) and blows a PC out of the water in this department.

@@OneLastScholar oh, Cheers mate. Gonna go find it and have a read. I think its amazing how much graphical fidelity they can push out of this console at just 75-80 watts. 👍

@@OneLastScholar I mean, it's obvious. A 720p machine compared to a pc will definitely use less power

​@@jimj78It's around 1440p to 1080p

@@jimj78 If you think a XSS is a 720p machine you need to study more about the current-gen consoles before you comment on them. :)

Smart move from Microsoft for the budget games who want to play new gen games

It would of been good if the S had a bit more teraflops, more memory and faster memory.

I mean, when you consider that it runs at lower settings/resolution, is the amount of ram really an issue? It's a budget option for people who want to play new games, but aren't as worried about fidelity.

Own nothing and be happy little one's

It doesn't. There's much more to asset streaming than just raw speed from your drive.

@@dmywololowol You are absolutely not wrong. It can depend on the game though. FF7 Remake is one game with notorious texture streaming issues that a SSD can help with. But that is just one example and like I said, putting a SSD in a Pro isn't going to magically fix everything.

The base ps4 can do 1080p 30

well... 1080p is very optimistic. In some cases the DRS goes lower than 600p

We have a series x at home but at uni I purchased a series s and it's been brilliant, played elden ring, cyberpunk, f1 jedi fallen order and they've all been pretty solid for the most part, if you haven't purchased it then it's definitely worth a cop

@@deathtrooper2048 not in newer games from the past 3 years

120 to for next gen games

I would have got the 1 x but i got a series s that i threw away and got a series x.

I'd swap in an SSD for some speedy loading since they're pretty cheap these days.

@@innovade7887 It's an absolute game changes.

@@bombyo3634 bruh, did you literally toss a brand new peice of hardware?

@@219SilverChoc i put it in storage some where. I hate the series s. I went and got a series x.

Truth is that games will look the same due to the series s being weaker than the one x

@@deathtrooper2048 I know what you mean but I don’t think so. UE5 hasn’t even started. Many new technologies are not really been taken advantage off and devs are not using them to full advantage. VRS and FSR for example will make engines more efficient but have rarely been used so far 😉

@@deathtrooper2048 So, you obviously have never gamed on a PC. The Series S won't hold anything back.

@@deathtrooper2048 a gpu bottleneck is the easiest to overcome. Last gen consoles were held back because they couldn't push the cpu or hard drive. The S shouldn't hold anything back, even if it has to run at lower resolutions or lower settings.

@Existential Selkath idk man, devs keep saying how much they hate the series s and that it's actually going to hold games on xbox back. Microsoft should've done what Sony did, just make the series s the same as the x but without a disk drive.

Say that to the series x which often gets outpaced by ps5

@@easyygo3008 not true, series x has won many more game comparisons than the PS5.

@@AdolfSpongler01 Lmao, that's false. Ps5 usually wins, the magic teraflops was marketing, ps5 is basically on par as it has faster CU's. All games are identical through and through. For all the crap about the 9 tflops rhe xbots gave, it was utter BS

@@easyygo3008 not from everything I've seen your blind

@@AdolfSpongler01 Lmaoz it hasn't. Low software sales and the series s is the reason for that. God, xbox fans are unsufferable, they can't accept the truth that series x teraflops was just a lie. Ps5 is a much better system in the net, net. The difference is negible between both anyway.

Higher graphical fidelity as well on the series s; devs just choose to sacrifice resolution for higher in game graphics settings. They could easily push for ps4 pro equivalent settings and get even better results at a higher resolution.

First sensible comment ive read so far, your absolutely right. And throw in an ssd to the pro and those load times are much more impressive giving the console a lot more life and less of the 'wait-ache'. Also helps with pop in and stuttering

Tell that to xbox fanboys… there were all about them teraflops 😂

@@elwingy which generation are you talking about?

@@anthonyrizzo9043 current

Run Pro in 1080p mode without Supe Sampling, your ears will thank you, plus frame rates are a lot more stable, not to mention lack of any visual glitches caused by checkerboarding.

@@victim2077 That's the only way to use the Pro IMO. Stuff like the RDR2 checkerboarding just looked hidious, so getting native 1080p with the smoothest console version at the time was pretty cool.

6 years

Yeah, this feels a bit silly.

It will be around 2-3tf on the switch 2 but because it’s on a newer architecture it can probably match a ps4 pro

Dude states rumors as facts

@@cinemascenes2010 I mean the first switch came out in 2017 and is weaker than the Xbox one which came out in 2013 and the Xbox one was already weak for 2013 standards

@Dante I don't think people realize that PS4 Pro level performance with modern features on a 15W power limit is like... Insane. This isn't Nintendo doing the thing where they use outdated hardware, this is as fast as mobile chips get right now. Very much looking forward to more info.

@@cinemascenes2010 switch 2 will be dlss 2 compatible which will compensate for it being underpowered

claro claro, pero los juegos van a 1440p en la pro y a 1080p en ss... Si la pro fuese a 1080p podría subir calidades gráficas o poner modo 60 en elden ring igual.. Se mire como se mire no puede ser que la pro (y la one x ya ni me imagino, tenga mejor claridad de imagen.

@@abelald1310 La Series S corre 1140 p nativo, la estadística es al revés. Lo otro es la RAM, Ray Tracing, Almacenamiento de Estado Sólido, 4K re escalado con menor esfuerzo que desde 1080.

And it's cheaper too.

Now you know

Same here, Sony could benefit from making a smaller sku as well.

for travel, yeah, i think since its way smaller, it makes more sense in such a scenario. (the hotel scenario mind you, not bus or train.)

@@davidbrown6976 No thanks. I'd prefer not to have another lesser console bottlenecking the generation.

​​@@pixeljauntvr7774o thanks I'd prefer a console that doesn't leak no the motherboard an issue pc and xbox doesn't have also consoles have fucked the world of graphical fidelity smoothens sound quality keyboard and mouse

@@YCStudios_greece first learn what punctuation is, second the ps5 leaking was proven false like a week ago, hell it was obviously fake when it was first said anyway.

Most PlayStation exclusives are still fully playable straight from the disc, without any downloads. Unless you want to play GT7, well whole "career" requires internet connection.

Indeed he wants to look at games that are still supported on Xbox Series S and those which stopped being supported a long time ago on OG components knowing full well PS4 Pro could see benefits in some games when using better and still officially supported SSDs instead of the standard 5,400RPM HDD that ships with the console. This was an exercise in showing us the obvious fact that newer software runs better in newer HW, not a true attempt to level the playing field based on the performance between the systems and even so PS4 Pro only looked really bad in The Calisto Protocol which was next gen focused from the start and The Witcher III which just received next gen support. GTA5 looks the same between the devices, but runs better at a higher resolution on Series S still not exactly a night and day difference. That SSD could have corrected poor performance in CP2077 and shortened loading times in Elden Ring bringing that 2016 console more in line with Series S in two of the five games showcased above.

​@@cinemascenes2010Do you have 40.000 exclusives on steam?

​@@IlIiliIliIl Intellivision or bust! 😂

even so, the result would be the same, the s series would still be more powerful than the ps4 pro.

There's a Series S vs One X video on this Channel. Great to watch.

They hit their full potential the second they came out all you'll see after is devs being forced to better optimize their games on console because unlike PC these consoles are stuck with what was already considered mid tier power half a decade ago

@@AzaiaMonota devs have barely scratched the surface, what are you talking about lol? No console that's ever existed has hit their full potential the day it came out....

@@DarkReturns1 what potential? games already far exceed what the consoles are capable of

It's great at last gen gaming with FPS Boost and the resolution boost some games have, Gears 2 and 3 use both even! But the lack of disc drive really hurts, I can get why to an extent though. If it had the 4k blu-ray player the X has, it would add alot to the already tight cost. If it had a basic blu-ray drive for back compat titles, consumers would be confused why discs only work on Series X. I sold my physical games and rebrought them all when they where on sale, but I don't think people who have large collections can really do that.

I really wish they could just add USB DVD drives support in the OS for 360 or OG Backwards Compatible like how you can use an EXHDD for it as well, and I;m assuming its because you have to download the backwards comp patch anyway so its not actually running on the disc or just another way to make more money in the Xbox store but it's really messed up having to not being to use your own collection.

Many X360 games are dirt cheap on digital sales. Buy there.

You can get Xbox 360 games either on the Store or through the Game Pass, but of course a disc drive would have been nice, still at the price point it's hard to argue about, when the PS5 Digital is 200€ more and also has no drive.

Yeah them not including a disk drive killed the system for me. I want physical ownership of my games. Not rent it for a system and if that one dies one day my stuff will be gone

Dont tell me, the os takes 3 gb on the pro

@@coolsteve1342 it's always around that. Usually between 3 GB and 3,5 GB of RAM reserved for the os.

@@coolsteve1342 PS4 use 3GB for OS, 5GB for games. PS4 Pro Uses 3.5 gigs for the OS and 5.5 for games. PS4 Pro has 8GB of GDDR5 and 1GB of DDR3.

Ps4 pro is 5.5gb for games

Choose the SX instead, i had a friend a religious PS user hating on anything but Pc and Ps, he bought a Ps5 2 years after it came out, he was happy with it mostly, he was saying things like: Okay Ps doesnt have Gamepass and the games are expensive but its worth it. (He bougth the console way overpriced (800€). He was always s.hitting on Xbox AND THEN i brought over my Series X i bought day one and he was blown away, couldnt believe his eyes, but still in denial then i showed him gamepass and some first party games… dude changed that day to Gamepass on Pc using the playstation only for call of duty xdd

@Németh Roland the fact that ps5 doesn't have quick resume either is an absolute deal breaker in my eyes. Being able to play 5 separate games near instantly... that's what blew my mind, PCs can't even do this with out knowledge of how to physically make it work lol

Gamepass is trash 🗑

You'll be disappointed. PS5 can barely run any games at native 4K.

@Dmywololo Wol Nor could the PS4 Pro but it still looked good. But of course the main reason I'm getting one is for the exclusives

Spoiler: Series S will be superior in every regard and people will thank DF for this "great comparison"...

I have a series s, it's fine if you just want to experience games and not too worried about perfection, it's a huge step up over the older base xbox one.

@Kenneth Bailey yes, but also no the One X Definitely outperforms the series s but the only reason why the series s is fast is due to the SSD I seen people but an Outer SSD on the one x and it was pretty much like in the middle of consoles

@@lucid523 the fast loading makes a huge difference, I dont touch my xbox one s anymore other than for as a dvd player. Also, the fact that the series s can hold state of multiple games is a nice bonus.

@@lucid523can your one x do 120 fps

You buy console for games, it is what it meant for, so if you like PlayStation ecosystem, I think it’s obvious that your choice is PS4. At the end of the day, it’s all about games.

@@gordonfreeman9733 I ended up getting the serious ass and I'm very happy with it. The games look so good on it. And it came with game pass which is pretty cool.

It is a generation older

Why do you think that is?

@@jhroyalty7 big brain moment: they have very comparable raw compute, hence this video comparison, and my comment

more Pro as the Series S is digital only and still pretty new, probably gonna get a PS4 Pro too someday as ive missed out on a bunch of Playstation exclusives the last few years!

@@219SilverChoc a good choice, a ton of excellent 1st and 3rd party games

@@jimmy3951 Yeah, just wondering if there's any examples of 3rd party games that are better played on PS4 Pro over Series S, or even better on there than PC? Wish PS4 could have the really great back compat Xbox One and Series has.

right? hahaha thats what im thinking. I had ps4 pro and sold it cuz was a plane with overheating with a stupid performance. No need to add the lie about the 4k beeing a reescalated 2k😹 Somethings wrong with this comparison

If you only play BF 2042 and getting this performances then just enjoy , as there’s no need to upgrade. 2-3 years from now we should get another update, price to performance ration nothing is better than Consoles 🔥