5 Common Misconceptions About the Fallout TV Series 

Can we all just appreciate how great the iconic 10mm pistol looks in the show? Freaking love that thing.

I think we can safely say that Chet IS NOT SAFE with Steph.

Also, the BoS helping to nuke Shady Sands would narratively fit into Maximus' story perfectly. He said he joined the BoS to "hurt the people that hurt [him]," and what better twist than for Maximus to discover the people that hurt him are literally the same people that took him in and raised him?

Dogmeat is any dog in the games willing to carry 100+ pounds of your crap around

Something tells me at the end of all this, when Lucy eventually comes back to 33, she's gonna get kicked right back out. It happened in 1 and 3, it'll happen again.

House also didn’t have the platinum chip yet, so if Vault-Tec did start the war, he would be pissed.

She DIDN'T say Vault-Tec WOULD LAUNCH the nukes she said they COULD. There's a HUGE difference...

For the new airship being called the Prydwen and that theory... even if the ship was destroyed, it is in military tradition, especially Naval tradition, that flagship names are reused and always in active service. Like the Enterprise is a name that has been given to multiple ships in US Navy history but only ever one is active at a time and when that one is destroyed/decommissioned then the next ship in that class will be given the flagship name. So it could very well be a completely new ship after being destroyed but they would give it the same name because of tradition.

also something to note is CX-404 is not a German Shepard she's a Belgian Malinois

I don't disagree that the show doesn't clearly state the Vault-tec launched the nukes; it says that they were at least _considering_ it, but not that they _did_ it. However, your reasoning for dismissing the scenario is faulty. If all Vault-tec wanted was to make money, all they'd need to do is just...keep building vaults. Build vaults as quickly and as efficiently as possible, sell places in them, profit. But we've known from the first game that that's _not_ what Vault-tec were doing. They were going to great expense to turn their vaults into horrifying experiments. Quite clearly their purpose was _not_ just making money. And why would it be? The whole world knows that the apocalypse is coming, that's the whole point of their company. Money will be useless after the apocalypse. Quite simply, Vault-tec's actions demonstrate that they were more interested in their experiments than their profits - and their experiments couldn't be carried out without a war.

To add to the Shady Sands misconception, just because something is called "the fall of [blank]" doesn't mean it was taken out overnight, over weeks, maybe not even months. The fall of Rome took 800 years as a real life example.

....you know there's...more than one Dogmeat, right? CX404 is *A* Dogmeat.

Another thing I want to point out about the "Fall of Shady Sands," what event do we know canonically happened in 2277? On the West Coast? Involving the NCR? The First Battle of the Hoover Dam. Which was a technical victory for the NCR, but caused them massive casualties, the destruction of Boulder, and then down the line the loss of all territory east of the Colorado River in Arizona. That battle was unbelievably damaging to the NCR. I can well see later NCR citizens counting that battle as the moment Shady Sands started to fall. It's pretty clear that the Mojave campaign against the Legion was pretty devastating for the NCR.

First off, for the people that don't know. The show is heavily influenced by The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly. Which is why that there is really no good person in the show. Even the director said "The Ghoul is what eventually happens to The Good, they become The Ugly." Also, the whole nuke on the timeline thing could have been avoided if they just dated the nuke. Its kind of stupid to have a timeline thats missing a date on a event without implying it happened right after or they're the same. Plus you're telling me no one knew the day it got nuked to record it?

My guy, Dogmeat has been the name of the main canine companion in every Fallout mainline game. People aren't saying that CX-404 is the same dog from Fallout 4, they are saying he is Dogmeat because he is the dogmeat of this Fallout story.

“We won’t go quietly” - random NCR trooper

Isn’t it practically stated that Hank nuked Shady Sands without anyone else to eliminate the competition being other previous civilizations on the surface so vault tech would be the one to revive humanity? That’s what Moldaver was referring to

I don't disagree with you regarding whether or not Vault Tec launched the first nuke ( I don't think they did), but I disagree about your assessment regarding their goals being money oriented only. While the primary theme of the Fallout series is the destructiveness of war, and mankind's propensity towards violence, the unchecked power of corporations is also a big running theme. They might have used corporate buzzwords to describe their philosophy and decision making process, but that process was vested in the fact that they were very powerful people who answered to virtually no one, it had the utmost confidence they would be shielded from the negative consequences of their decisions. At this point they weren't having a business discussion, but a philosophical one, and that's one of the things that was genuinely nerve wracking to me. They believed that the world was doomed and the best solution in the aftermath would be a world they created, and that world would be one created from corporate philosophy. That's Bud's vision of the future, for instance: a society carefully curated and controlled by a class of office manager style leaders, who treat every interaction as if it was a cubicle conflict. A meticulously managed world where everyone is as certain of their place as an ant in an ant colony. These were people who didn't care about continuing to make money because they were convinced that there would be no more market. So rather than do anything to try and reduce tensions, Especially given that their business relied on tensions, they decided it would be more 'profitable' to cut the cord and take what was left. You see very wealthy business lesders TODAY saying similar things.

I actually thought the reason Coop does the thumbs up was BECAUSE of vault boy, like he seemed to really want to do that thumbs up, and it would make sense he got the idea from seeing older marketing that contained vault boy

Every "Dogmeat" in Fallout has been a different dog besides 1&2 dogmeat. It's weird to think that this "Dogmeat" would be a returning character, especially when none of them having any real characterization that makes them worth coming back. What would even be the point? It would make no difference and would only serve to make the timeline harder to write around.

Everyone always forgets that pre-war, it was assumed that nuclear war was inevitable. Regardless of _who_ or _why._ This is why in the boardroom scene, they're discussing how they're going to stay on top of the food chain post-nuclear disaster. Barbara suggests dropping the bombs themselves because they're already planning for this inevitability. The idea being that if it's going to happen anyway, why not orchestrate it to your favor? But of course, as all the games suggest, nearly everyone was caught by surprise. Even Mr. House, who was present at that meeting. I think this is going over everyone's head, for some reason.

Ppl seem to forget that vault tec and who how many others are owned by the Enclave. The enclave’s plans are the reason why vaults even exists

“dog meat” is a literal joke referring to a dog as “meat” instead of a companion, im always shocked when people genuinely think that CX-404 is a dog we’ve seen becore

Dude I think we are all misinterpreting the scene. I think the idea is that vault-tec considers starting the war after they finished the vaults because it would allow a return to normalcy within the vault and give them power over others. It was mostly a suggestion. I think the show will probably reveal and stay in Canon with the idea that they didn't start the war or at least plan to until the vaults were finished - and even then we are getting this from a few higher-ups at vault tec, it is not confirmed that everyone went along with this plan - but someone beat them to it.

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I mean, vault tech could have fanned the flames toward nuclear Armageddon. They are pretty influential.

I started suspecting that the BoS were somehow involved in Shady Sands, too. Why else are they there so quickly?

The shock is that Vaultec was willing to start the war. It is clear from episode 1 that while willing, and maybe provoking it, they were not the ones who started a war while a top exec's daughter was at a birthday party in LA and exposed.

I’m slowly going insane over the fact that I haven’t seen anyone discussing that Shady Sands is distinctly labeled as the FIRST capital of the NCR on the billboard. That plus the “fall of shady sands” makes me think that 2277 was the year that some other city was designated as the new capital of the NCR and the proud residents of Shady Sands saw this as the beginning of the end for their beloved city. I have never been so committed to a theory and so disappointed that NO ONE ELSE SEEMS TO HAVE NOTICED THIS.

Also ... 404 isn't a German Shepherd. She's a Belgian Malinois.

The Brotherhood, specifically, would not have nuked Shady Sands. It goes entirely against their method of operation, as well as their entire ideology. They were likely there investigating, as a nuclear blast (especially one against a prominent town filled with civilians) would absolutely be enough to draw them to the smoldering ruins. We also see that Lost Hills was bolstered in number by the East Coast chapter. I think that it's entirely more likely that The Enclave nuked Shady Sands on Hank's orders. We know for a fact that they have orbital bombardment technically, which was still functional during the events of Fallout 3. The Enclave we see in the show also seemed to be VERY well off. We also know that The Enclave had ties to Vault-Tec. It would make sense to me for them to be the people in charge that The Ghoul talks about in the last episode. It would also make sense as to why the scientist had such specific knowledge about Lucy's vault.

There are multiple Dogmeats so i personally see CX as another one, but not any of the previous Dogmeats like from fallout 1 & 4

I know you have your own canon in your head that makes you hesitant to admit what the show was saying but you’re just ignoring the narrative the writers were giving us. they outright stated that vault tec was buying nuclear energy companies and very clearly wanted to wipe out all life on earth The entire story around Bud and Barb focused on their desire to OUTLIVE the competition, not to outsell them, because eventually they would be the only company on earth and thus having the greatest monopoly possible. That was literally the whole reason vaults 31 32 and 33 were made! They literally said the end goal was to no longer have to answer to the government. It couldn’t possibly have been spelled out more clearly You are right to point out that we don’t necessarily know for sure if Vault Tec dropped the bombs but the show was very outright in telling us that they had the means and the motive at the very least. ignoring that entire narrative just because you personally can’t accept it in your head canon is forcing you to do mental gymnastics to explain Shady Sands being nuked despite all the evidence clearly pointing at Hank and Betty and not the Brotherhood. It’s not clear that vault tec and the brotherhood had ANY contact, and the show writers were very detailed in showing us which organizations interacted so it seems unlikely that they would completely forget to show us evidence of Hank convincing the brotherhood to drop bombs. Also the brotherhood would never do anything on vault tecs behalf, let alone dropping nukes on a whole town , because they are trying to seize pre war technology to prevent civilization from making the same mistakes of the past. Literally your whole theory breaks apart the second you start to try and connect the dots.

I hate when people argue that Vault tek wouldn't have dropped the bombs because "business". Vault tek had incentive to drop the bombs because they could use the vaults for unethical experiments that would give them a huge advantage after the war when society was just beginning to start up again. Between chemical testing, psychological warfare, F.E.V. and numerous other atrocities they'd be the scariest thing the wasteland had seen since the bombs and virtually unstoppable. Also I'd argue that the fact they even set up all of these unethical experiments in the first place is proof that they at least expected the bombs to drop at some point because otherwise that's a huge waste of finances.

I feel like the show puts it very well. Vault tech don’t push “The Button” they push the buttons on the people who do, they need a nuclear crisis to have any influence it’s a no brainer that their top brass would be keeping the nuclear powers they can speak with agitated and even playing a big role in the war happening, but they don’t have to launch the nukes with their own hands to do that.

Thank you! I don’t think it is supposed to be the Prydwen, and someone else called it the Caswennan before everyone jumped on the “it IS the Prydwen” bandwagon, including the fallout fandom wiki. I hope they unambiguously correct it in dialog, maybe even re-rendering it in the episode at some point.

Nothing against any new RU-vids or anyone in general covering the series despite being new to the franchise, but they often make mistakes about the lore that are completely wild/incorrect that in all honesty is quite funny. This one video I watched said with full confidence that the city at the end of the show which was so clearly New Vegas was somewhere called "Enclave City." 😭 I love all the New Fallout fans joining the Community but all the Easter Egg and breakdown channels trying to catch up with all of the lore so they can jump on the hype train while simultaneously getting so much of the lore wrong is very unintentionally funny in all honesty. I say this with love 😭🙏🏽💙 no hate intended!

I’ve still got plenty of questions regarding the show, like how does ghoulification now work (ex.Thaddeus and The Ghoul)? Who was “the president” that The Ghoul met up with? And lastly how will the show move on to Vegas without invalidating the decisions made by players in NV? Edit: Another question I need answered is what’s up with Moldaver (is she immortal?) being called the Fire Mother? It’s brought up at least twice

The NCR can just pick a new captial city, like Maxon, The Hub, or Dayglow. So they would still be alive, just not in the Shady Sands area like mentioned in the video. I really hope we see the NCR in some capacity in the future and they still be a major faction and not cast aside and broken up into fragmented states. Though that would make for a great story on its own seeing how the various states interact with one another and which remain loyal to the NCR and which declare independence from it.

CX-404 is indeed Dogmeat, but Dogmeat is not a specific dog. Its just the name of any dog who plays a companion role to a Fallout protagonist.

I wouldnt say cooper howard is vault boybut vault boy is cooper Howard

19:00 No. When visiting the Prydwen in Fallout 4, Kells mentions the Prydwen took 2 years to design, and over twice that to build at Adams. I believe it is the same ship because of of the time difference, and the lack of resources from Adam's Air force Base.

my theory is that dogmeat is an infinitely reincarnating god of the wasteland

Great video!!! Thanks for putting this together

i interpreted the show repeatedly showing the same scene of Maximus seeing the Brotherhood soldier as the audience shifting their perception of the event as more evidence came to light. i 100% agree that the implication is that the Brotherhood was behind the bombing

There is another misconception about the tv show: that Norm is not a main character. There is way too much time focused on what he is doing and discovering solo within the vaults for him to be but a side character. As he becomes more and more a fan favorite I suspect even more time to be spent on him and his hero's journey.

There's always been multiple Dogmeats and that's definitely the original Prydwen.

To your first point: If Vault-Tec didn’t want to cause a war, didn’t want to “end the fear”, why did their executive explicitly suggest dropping a bomb? They have to have known that the response to any nuclear detonation that would matter to America would be extreme, explicitly because they’re part of a system that has been stoking paranoia and extremism as you say. They thrive on fear. Their suggestion might have gotten out of hand, and when they did drop a bomb, whatever system they had in place to contain the situation failed them, but the show is more than explicit I think in directly linking Vault-Tec to the start of the Great War.

kinda doubt the BOS nuked shady sands. for one thing they had people close by shady sands who would probably get hurt if that happened, for another thing I'm pretty sure that exactly not many of the main factions in fallout even have proper nukes (that aren't mini nukes or the dinky football ones liberty prime has in fo4) in the first place. And also part of the entire ideology of the BOS is making sure dangerous tech INCLUDING and especially full nuclear bombs never get used again, so even if they did have proper nukes, I doubt they'd use them.

About thaddeus. That's not how ghoulification works. The snake oil salesman likely came across enclave mutations. Secondly I hear "the NCR is spread thin" a lot kind of odd when you talk about how huge the NCR is a few minutes later. The NCR is only spread thin in the Mojave and that's due to corruption. General Oliver and Kimball hates the Rangers due to Hanlon and the Rangers getting the credit for winning the first battle for the dam. Oliver pulled Hanlon away from the dam and put him in charge of camp golf so Hanlon doesn't steal his spotlight in the second battle. The Mojave is full of recruits most soldiers in the Mojave are on leave to go the strip. The brahmin barons pull a lot of political strings. They wouldn't allow the NCR to put their business in Jeopardy by spreading thin in the west

It's really cool Fallout got a show after it was supposed to get a movie long ago

What if the “Fall of Shady Sands” means the fall of the original Shady Sands? It would be a nice explanation for why the SS is now in the boneyard.

How nice to know that there is such amazing content somewhere in the world!🌏

Vault tec only has to drop one and let mutually assured destruction take care of the rest

If we make some BIG assumptions, the actor who plays max is currently 35, and appears to be under 10 in the flashback. That would put the nuclear detonation at 2271 ish if he’s playing his age. That doesn’t help make sense of the lore, but there you go.

Bonus misconception: CX404 is not a German Shepard. That is clearly a Malinois aka Belgian Shepherd

I'm totally willing to believe Vault-Tec started the nuclear exchange because, thinking within the characterization their execs recieved in the show and in the games, they believed they would survive it. If Vault-Tec survived the war and the government didn't, Vault-Tec - presumably housing most of the survivors - would become the most powerful entity in the US, maybe in the world. That's why they would be okay taking that risk - starting the war.

Perhaps he's going to New Vegas to make contact with Mr House

But CX-404 isn't a German Shepherd at all? It's a Belgium Malinois. FO4 is a german Shepherd, while Fallout 3's dogmeat is a blue heeler. Each rendition is a type of herding dog that are also used as gaurd dogs, or used in the force or aid in some way.

What I've pointed to friends is that the Fall of Shady Sands in 2277 and the Nuke being dropped are clearly two different points in the timeline shown. Why would they depict them as two separate events on the timeline if they were meant to be the same event? I think the confusion comes from the nuke being the only point on the timeline that doesn't have a year listed. Another note: Maximus was a child when the bombs dropped and seems to be around 19 or 20 years old by the time of the show. The show takes place in 2296. If the nuke was dropped in 2277, then he would have been, at best, a few months to a year old. So assuming he was around 5 when the nuke was dropped, that would put the nukes being dropped around 2282. So we're looking at a year, at least, between the end of New Vegas and Shady Sands being nuked.

The thing that gets me about the show is it kind of shows why anything involving Fallout can't be implied anymore. Was the date showing the "Fall of Shady Sands ambiguous? You're darn right it is but is that bad? Not really it left room for interpretation until the showrunners and Bethesda could confirm/deny anything in a later season, but the ambiguity can't be allowed anymore because the moment it is shown such as the shows case Misconceptions and implications are made with incredible rage to the point where Bethesda has to come out and essentially say that yes the games are canon and the "Fall of Shady Sands" is not the nuke. To go one step further even Tim Cain the original creator of Fallout even commented on this in relation to the show before the 100% confirmation (Long quote coming) "I know people are complaining about the dates being off, well you're right maybe they are off maybe maybe what was taught to the kids was wrong maybe it was literally wrong maybe they were lying to the kids they lied to the kids in Vault 33 about other things why not lie about that or um maybe they're off but they don't know they're off maybe just a few years either way or maybe the dates in the game are wrong and Fallout New Vegas some of the characters in that game got the dates wrong there's no like master calendar you can refer to maybe people got off maybe people knew what had the years wrong or maybe they're just unreliable narrators Fallout has a history in a lot of the games of having people tell you something that isn't true um so any of these could be unreliable narrators and that's something I think you need to keep in mind because as far as the show goes It's a good show I'm along for the ride I have no doubt in my mind they may explain some of this stuff in a sequel."

I think I might have been in the bathroom for this video because I only remember the bonus ones.

I don't see how people can think the story is done, its not like we're stuck with making games before 2290. Any game set after this supposed end is just a new story

Cooper Howard definitely is vault boy or at least vault boy is based on him

Something important about the brotherhood suddenly coming out of their hole i think would be elder maxson showing up with the prydwen encouraging a more bold approach. Since as we know maxson isnt one for hiding in holes.

My head cannon for the vault tec bomb dropping is that they didn’t plan on actually dropping the bombs themselves. They planned on influencing high powers to do it when they were ready. I mean if they didn’t actually want the bombs to drop then what would be the point of coming up with all these experiments. So how it goes for me is vault tec would’ve wanted the bombs to drop when they were fully done with every vault. This is because I believe they wanted more than just money, they wanted power. So after the war the dust settles who comes out of the vault to reclaim the wasteland, take power, vault tec. And with their knowledge from certain Experiments like the one with Curie and the cure all drug, they’d have even more control with their outcomes. Obviously the bombs dropped sooner than expected so they weren’t prepared. And even if they were, they most likely didn’t expect so many factions the form which might’ve caused problems. TLDR: vault tec wanted the bombs to drop so that they could eventually take control of America.

With Sandy Sands getting nuked, there is a VERY glaring problem that people choose to overlook, the location of it in the show. In the game it is over 100miles north, while in the show it is just outside the financial district of LA, this fact makes it very likely a different location that renamed to Shady Sands.

Regarding Lucy swearing, she says “Gosh dammit” in like episode 2 or whatever. Not everyone views “damn” or “dammit” as a swear but it is generally considered to be one in the USA.

Lonesome Road Apocalypse Ending with nuking the NCR could be one explanation to the Shady Sands question. As an Independent Vegas player/Ulysses fan, that idea is very cool.

Ep. 4 was my favorite too, a wonderfully encapsulated sort of 'side quest' that honors the Ghoul's wasteland golden rule, "Thou shalt get distracted by some BS every goddamn time." (LOL the motto of every Fallout run I've ever done). The Super-Duper mart forced Lucy to adapt to awful realities, and rewarded her with a new weapon, chems, and armor mods. It was maybe the most Fallout-ish narrative episode of the season. Anyway, really looking forward to payoffs on these cliffhangers next season.

I'd like to open by saying this is a very neatly put together video, and I agree with almost all of it... But... My only big disagreement with what you said here has nothing to do with the show, but the comment about how the NCR being a corrupt, overextended mess being a 'stark contrast from Fallout 2', and that somehow the NCR is "Good" in Fallout New Vegas. The NCR is in no uncertain terms extremely corrupt in Fallout 2, if Presidente for Life Tandi and her decades of uninterrupted rule that started right after the head of state and his right hand man and Minister of Defense 'dying in search of Vault 13' (as the two most important people in a nation's government famously tend to do simultaneously, especially when they are as sedentary and unadventurous as we know them to be from Fallout 1) didn't give it away. They were supposed to actively be trying to sabotage Broken Hills, while Tandi offhandedly refers to the uranium mines as a myth. They were also covertly sabotaging both Vault City and New Reno, the only notably civilized places aside from the NCR in the game not run by the untouchably well equipped isolationist Shi or Enclave. Their entire story in Fallout 2, is being Enclave Lite, entirely motivated to crush all competition in the wasteland, annex what they can and wipe out the rest. Their main, most accessible questline literally involves their head of state sending the Chosen One out to terrorize a bunch of mostly unarmed refugees for daring to squat in a place the NCR has just decided is actually their very important ancestral home but couldn't bother to secure in the past 60+ years. If you do not complete that quest, then the mere shame of failing to crush underfoot said refugees is enough of a fall from grace for Presidente "Caesar says he admires my methods" Tandi that she gets deposed, possibly replaced by actual big boy Enclave depending on which of their openly corrupt politicians the player might have introduced to a 18 carat run of bad luck, and the rest of the NCR transitions into an Enclave puppet like business is usual. The slides relating to NCR's cooperation with other cities are also all extremely suspect. In the slide where the Bishop family of New Reno allies with the NCR, it's openly stated that the alliance's formation involved many political assassinations. For Vault City, the closest to a friendly occupation by NCR involves Vault 8 stagnating due to isolationism, and the NCR eventually moving in. The other two NCR relevant endings where the NCR takes control of Vault City or its population, involves either the NCR treating the vaulters as second class citizens out of spite, or functionally performing a military coup, betraying an alliance they signed with Vault City. As for New Vegas... Do I really need to list out every single blatant and cartoonishly evil parody of US foreign affairs that the NCR pulls in New Vegas? Surely not. I'll give you that the average NCR soldier in NCR is probably doing their best to 'fight the good fight', but they are still puppets of a blatantly incompetent, callous and altogether insidious state. (There's also a bit to be said about the Brotherhood of Steel being 'good' in Fallout 3, when it's openly stated that they knowingly take potshots at sentient ghouls for fun near Underworld to pass the time during guard duty. Their 'goodness' bottoms out at cooperating with the main character so that the Enclave doesn't get to do dubious science to a nearby waterpurifier. However I won't harp on that because I'm mainly Captain Ahab-ing the NCR.) It just feels weird to listen to you very accurately identify that at most you can say of the factions in the show that they are better than some others, not exactly 'good' but then also claim that the NCR, or the Brotherhood of Steel who were totally only rebuilding the walking superweapon under the Pentagon for research and defense purposes are supposed to be seen in those games as 'generally good'. People have this flowery view of the NCR for some reason, but unironically, the way Fallout 2 shows them, they were worse than even New Reno and Vault City, with nothing but righteous jingoism and a reheated sense of Manifest Destiny letting them pretend otherwise. There is nothing in New Vegas that is even remotely showing a 'lesser' version of the NCR. The NCR soldiers might tell themselves that the reason everything is going to shit around them is because the NCR is 'spread thin' or is 'having a rough patch', but it was always a corrupt, volatile black mark on the wasteland only held back by its own general incompetence, ever since Tandi definitely didn't have her father assassinated. Yes, I do realize this is an absurd amount of words to write about the NCR, but I'm a verbose person, and I will fight the misconception that the NCR has ever been written as morally good to my last breath! (I'd like to finish on "NCR Delenda Est" but I don't want to create the misconception that any of this is in support of the Legion which is obviously worse in a lot more obvious ways and by the show's time probably devolved into cannibalism.)

The first point you made is easily countered when you consider the fact that vault tech is controlled by the enclave, which wouldnt care about the financial interests

the fact people left thinking Vault Tec dropped the bombs when Janey wasn’t in a vault when they came down is mind boggling to me. That scene with the corporate execs was to show their nature and how Vault Tec was a sinister company that needed the war to sustain itself. It made it clear they were willing to drop the bombs, but the first scene of the show absolves Vault Tec from dropping them first because if they knew it was about to happen, Barb would’ve had Janey in a vault. I personally like the theory that Vault Tec was preparing to drop them, but miscalculated and got beat to it by whoever did. It seems like a form of retribution they deserve.

When Barb mentioned that Vault Tec could drop nukes, I took it as the show's way to really seal the deal that the big corporations are 100% bad guys. Also I'm sure that if Barb knew that Vault Tec was gonna drop the bombs, she wouldn't let her daughter be just hanging out with her dad (I'm assuming they are separated at the time the bombs drop) since she made it very clear that she was doing everything in her power to make sure her and her family were placed in a "good vault".

One thing i don't 100% understand is from what enclave facility the scientist fled from and who is in controll of it. The brotherhood knows about it a lot, but they don't seem to know what the artifact is.

Nice Dr. Mobius reference at 16:16

My theory on the vault tech nuke thing is that they were going to stage a small nuke incident, not a full strategic exchange. That way people will still be afraid but alive. They might even get some people into the vaults to begin their experiments while the world is actually fine

There are plans for 10 seasons, as Walton disclosed they plan on 10 seasons and he is signed on for 5 years.

We need the GOAT of lore to make the right videos

I think vault-tec was planning on dropping the nukes but someone dropped them before they could this would explain why hank could drop a nuke on shady sands 200 years later because vault tech didnt get to chance to use their nukes

Why ain't anyone talkin about hiw maxi literally says that the bombs dropped 12 years ago or something like that when lucy asks something bout the bombs? I feel like everyone round here has early onset Alzheimer's

1) no one else has to understand or agree with Vault-Tec's motivations for them to have acted on them, so just because they don't make sense to you doesn't mean they didn't do the thing we see them saying they would do; 2) as has been already stated, CX404 is A Dogmeat, as every chapter of Fallout has a different canine companion; 3) Moldover attacking Vault 33 can also be looked upon as a retaliatory strike, since Hank WAS responsible for the destruction of Shady Sands...not only is this a relatively legitimate action between warring bodies, she actually gave the Vault-Dwellers she captured a chance to escape her bomb, which Hank did not do for the people of Shady Sands...also 'goodness' is relative in real life, as it is in the games--being more 'good' than those around you, pretty much makes you 'The Good Guy'...even if you're not all that great...

It's sad how defenders of the show are debating against what's literally shown and said on screen to excuse the retcons and terrible writing. It's like if a serial killer desperately pointed at a corpse twitching or blinking and said "See? Just look past the obvious blood and wounds, he's still moving, he's alive!"

If it was Hank who nuked shady sands, I think he would’ve used the automated silos from fallout 76. Since the dwellers took control of them 200 years prior. That’s if they’re still around at all I guess

I think vault-tech was planning to drop the bombs, but somebody else, maybe china or the enclave, did it first. This would also explain why we can find unfinished vaults.

I don't even care about inconsistency at this point. It got my entire family into fallout, and that's what matters. I have been lore dumping since it came out

The MacGuffin tech that led to the BoS sacking Shady Sands is the cold fusion that the show's MacGuffin is the final piece to

CORRECTION: Lucy curses twice on the show. There's the scene you talked about and a scene in episode 2. When the Filly shopkeeper is describing Moldaver's location to Lucy she states it's "the Shithole". Lucy then says "the Shithole?" in her adorable, naive tone.

It's clear that Vault-Tec didn't launch the nukes themselves because everyone in that board meeting was surprised on the actual day. They were all planning for the apocalypse, but it arrived at least a day, sometimes a week or more, before they were ready. If they had launched, they would've had everything in place. Think about it: The platinum chip was 24 hours out. The Sierra Madre was about a week or two from completion. Big MT was in the middle of research. Most of the Vaults weren't finished. And, above all, the executives' families were out in the open.

Fair point about the "vault tech didnt do it" argument, but with all of the actions that hank and bud have taken in the show, with planning and plotting to be the ones who rule the new world, it should be considered that money isn't the only think they wanted as a business, and clearly someone in high places had some greater vision that could lead to them launching the bombs

It feels like a lot of the people attacking the show for "retcons" didn't even watch it

i personally think he used the nukes from 76 since it was the 76 overseers orginal goal to secure the silos for vault tec

Sounds like you cant have your mind changed in the face of evidence.

There is nothing to suggest that Thad is actually a Ghoul, Max said he may be a Ghoul but there is nothing concrete.

I've been in the opposite camp on the vault tec dropping the bomb thing from you, ever since fallout 3 came out, as the bomb in megaton has the vault tec logo on it.

In Fallout 76, we have the "Healing Factor Serum" which grants the healing Factor mutation. Looking at the in game model, the green coloration is VERY similar to the liquid the Snake Oil Salesman uses in his "Serum." Between the specific usage of the term serum and the color match, I don't think Thadeus is "Ghoulifying" but mutating in another way. Possibly even set to become a super mutant?

There is a LOT of in-game information that highly suggests Vault-Tec was responsible for the bomb drops. Now, they might not have done it themselves, but they could have nudged either the US or China to launch.

I also like to believe CX-404 is dogmeat but a different Dogmeat and theres just several dogs around the wasteland all with the same name

About VT dropping bombs. I'm not saying that they are dumb, but they absolutely could be THAT detached. Remember how powerful and yet dumb was The Enclave in Fallout 2. You could literally talk to Dick Richardson, he will point out that The Chosen One is a tribal, and just let you run along. They got so used to absolute power, that death and failure aren't even considered.

Regarding the Prydwen. It would make decent sense if say Prydwen also stood for the class of airship that the Brotherhood pressed into service. Stating the class on the side of the ship could cause confusion among enemies thinking its the same ship in two different areas. While, at the same time, guarding the actual name of the ship for closed line communications or anything like that. But, alas, just a theory...