5 Intended Mass Production MS that Became Ace MS (UC-OYW) 

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Descriptions I read often point to the Gm Command being a "Low production, Commander use Mobile Suit". It's pretty much a higher performance general purpose mobile suit that isn't particularly outstanding but better than vanilla GM for sure.

I've actually heard it argued this is what won the Federation the war. Zeon spent so much time developing all these different Mass Production designs, completely re-inventing the wheel with practically each one... and then when the design was finalized abandoning it in favor of a competing design. Goufs, Gyans, Efreets, Zudahs, Zaku High Mobility type, Act Zaku, Zaku III... they wasted so much time developing and testing these suits that by the time they hit upon the Gelgoog (Which was superior to pretty much anything the Federation had - It even matched up well against the RX-78, but was mass-produceable) they had run out of time. Conversely, the Federation came up with a workable design - The GM - And then stuck with it, modifying and improving it as needed, maintaining parts commonality and making it increasingly easy to crank out, as well as ensuring that all of their pilots were familiar with how to handle them, even as variants were introduced. Their performance was typically not at the level of Zeon suits, but as the battle of A Baoa Qu demonstrated, the GMs were ripping apart the vastly superior Gelgoogs because the Federation pilots were experienced with their machines, and had tactics down and the numbers to back up the operation. When the Federation needed an Ace machine, they turned it into a propaganda thing and built a Gundam (Which, thanks to Amuro and the RX-78, doubled as a terror weapon near the end of the war) which was intended as a one-off testbed prototype crammed with every neat trick they could think of and only possible for the very best pilots to handle.

@@IsilmeTuruphant Thing is, Zeon was at a disadvantage the moment that the GMs rolled out for two main reasons: The EF had the budget, materials AND the numbers on their side (particularly in Space where Balls were dirt cheap to pair them up with) once they understood enough about MS technology; And second was the fact that the GM Beam Guns were spread fire (this tends to be left overlooked in OYW arguments, but a crude beam 'shotgun' was going to give almost all but the thickest Zeon suits trouble from any angle due to a lack of proper beam shielding at the time). Experience wasn't really as much of a factor either when some of the Zeon top aces either used little more than Zaku variants, or just kept up to date with the units and make the most of them, which is kind of a big deal when you're on the side that innovated MS technology to begin with, so Zeon pilots on average had greater experience. Also remember that while the GM had comparatively lousy performance and quality of parts compared to the Gundam and Guncannon, they were above Zakus and at worst on par with the Goufs performance-wise while still being somewhat tougher in general (Gundarium > Titanium Composite > High Tensile Steel). That being said, also keep in mind that the complaints about the GMs came about because the main bulk of the EF pilots felt that with every new unit that the Zeons brought to the field, they had a much harder and harder time taking them on even with their relative advantages. It was such a clamor for superior units that led to the GM Sniper II and other excellent machines in the first place because the Gundam itself proved that they had the technology to do way better (yes, Amuro brought out the most of it to the point it needed a joint treatment to maximize response time and reduce wear, but his father Tem still made an excellent and fairly powerful MS that would be largely unmatched in overall performance until the Gelgoogs finally came along after trial and error). It also hardly seems fair to refer to the Gundam as a one-off when it had a direct expanded legacy with the RX-79(G) that was built from Project-V spare parts, and there were roughly 20 of those in active service.

Why have they never make gundam types for mass production

you need two balls to drive one

Honestly, if the Federation had up armored and up gunned the Ball unit with with multi directional thrusters, I could definitely see it compete with the front line Zakus. One of these units wouldn't have been able to take on a Zaku one on one, but given their ease of production and (I am assuming) lower price, the Federation would have swarmed the Zakus.

Carl Ewen-Lewis yes exactly if only more capability were given to the ball it would have been enough to go against any mobile suits We can make it more powerful if you make some variants of the ball unmanned controlled by one ball which is manned then that swarming tactics would make a more powerful version of funnels

@@thegardenofesim1174 that would have been a sight, I am surprised no one in the Federation had considered this....hm, I could see a side story being told about this.

Carl Ewen-Lewis they were to awestruck to the idea of mobile suits they failed to see the ball could be purely for a space superiority fighter role Remember a certain zeon engineer said legs are just for decoration more so in space

This is in Gihren Greed and Ramba manage to capture WB gubtbak and guncannon but Amuro and the Gubdam Escape. Then another what if scenario make Amuro reach the Gobi lab and is handled the pixies unit 2 and then kill Ramba Rall is 1v1 combat

Gundam Alex: "That's cute"

Well that's to be expected from Chuck Norris Packard

It lasted about four seconds against Arleen Nazon's RTX-440 Guntank... think I'll pass.

I actually wondered who'd win in a battle that takes place in a city An RX78-NT1 (Gundam Alex) with a newtype pilot Or a Gouf custom with magnetic coating and the exam system

Assuming NT1 is fully equipped with its armor, Gouf would be at the losing end as it requires a full chain mine to remove the armor as shown in 0080 war in the pocket and the Gouf custom does not have that in its standard loadout (though it can still use it). Assuming NT1 is naked, it would be a draw as NT1 have already incorporated the magnetic coating in its frame. Taking into account of the pilot, exam system have a safety limit of 5 minute, making the Gouf at the disadvantage in a drag out fight.

It's also a good unit in G Generation Genesis.

Oh yeah! Gouf Custom Hands Down! Best all around unit they produced IMO

I think you spelled effreet wrong

I fell in love with it after seeing Noros pilot it. Easily my pick too.

Another Gouf user. I call you my comrade. My brother for this!

"Let's make a ground unit MS" -makes several units with slight differences just to compete each other- "Let's make an aquatic MS" -pulls out a dozen of aquatic MS designs- "Oh shit! Feds are making MS!!" -starts building prototype units which funding could've been used somewhere else while ignoring the reliable designs of the past- "We're fucked, Feds are in space."

DarkAlex1978 Even then it was a disaster. Zeon was based off the Nazi's no thanks to Ghiren. So when the Federation got its own suits based off the Gundam all they really needed is to drown Zeon with cheap reliable GM's. Especially since Zeon had already done most of the Feddies research for them. Hell Prof. Minovsky used to work with Zeon until he ditched them for the Federation because he didn't like how Zeon was abusing his research.

J Truong also... Space Nazi's... The enemies of the universe

Kira Kyoshiro the feds have ace pilots. -LETS MAKE ARTIFICIAL JEDI's THAT GO INSANE AT THE DROP OF A HAT-

Hunting white base is only a small fraction on why Zeon screw up. The Zaku 2 was not meant for ground combat in the first place, heavy development in the aquatic MS when EFF does not have key locations in the sea, production line issue as they keep jumping from MS to MS resulting a bleeding loss of resources, internal fighting, name a few.

Gotta guild that in Gundam Breaker 4

More than you and I will earn in a lifetime that's for sure

Billions? Maybe trillions?

SoloWing88 all of it

But why spend trillions if we could spend millions??

@@UselessFox224 Because clearly whoever was in charge of Zeon's treasury wasn't doing their job

From Humble Beginnings as they say

ZeonicZaku1 and your wet newspaper armor

I'd just like to point out to you that an old obese short man with a mustache had better accuracy hitting the RX-78-2 Gundam with a shoulder dome than the majority of Zaku II pilots with a rapid fire machinegun.

Same here

@@ZeonicZaku1-Zeon_Grunt_Suit the shoulder is a lot bigger than a bullet and also more bullets did hit. They were just not effective against the Gundanium alloy.

The last installment of Gundam Origin came out... his botching was mostly on purpose.

@@TekkaSage Oh this I gotta see/read

M'Quve: I said "Le ding"

TekkaSage Really? What's his reason? Is he secretly Zum Daikun's supporter?

That is a good one, and deserve more love.

Well yeah but after they perfected Zudah the weapon race is already went way ahead with better MS

Yeah, I thought Kamphfer still part of OYW unit.

If im not mistaken, the Kamphfer is a specific role unit rather than a unit design to mass produce.

Kampfers had excellent speed and mobility AMD ridonkulous firepower, but tissuepaper armor. Still, you can't hit what you can't catch! If it had beam weapons it would have been scary!

@@miafillene4396 spec wise, it can use beam weapons.

I don't think Kampfer was ever intended for mass production. I think it was supposed to be a limited production hit and run designed suit. That being said, it would have been amazing to see a squad of Kampfers armed to the teeth fighting.

Me too. I prefer the Kamphfer but it's not listed here. Oh well High Mobility Gyan then.

Personally I would prefer Gyan Kai (kinda post-OYW but who can't love the giant beam sword)

Give me a Hildolf.

Any EXAM MS is walking war crime. Also sharing a MS with a toured Newtype ghost does not sounds healthy.

You would go insane

Nah dude i prefer ALICE A ai that become your partner during war and will protect you by pilot the mobile suit you piloted.

*ZEON BIAS!!*

Its no Zaku boy!!

No Zaku!

Heathen!

Heretic!

Boy...

The BD unit 1 or 3 could have made it on here. But I guess not...

The BD units weren't mass production though. All of the EXAM units were unique, that's why the plot of the series was about destroying all of the units.

Zeon bias

fuck EFF pigs

the thing is that most writers focused more on zeeks rather than federation due to their fucked up logistics rather than streamlining MS designs. I do agree that there is a large lack of Ace non-gundam units in the Federation. Though, it shows that the late war GM models proved well on an Ace pilot's hand.

Bf is shit gundam

i Got The HGUC 1/144 Efreet Schneid. and is Very amazing. one of My Gundam Oc pilot Is Using one of The Efreets. The Colors Of Efreet is Like The Efreet Nacht But it Weapon are very different from The Efreet Nacht.. The Weapon Of my Oc Efreet are one of The anti ship rifle gun and Two Heat Hawk and some weapons Of The act zaku.

Good taste

JRizzle8921 They were literally spare parts put to good use. Never meant for mass production, they knew they had a small and finite number of suits.

Gundam [G] is just GM with Gundam head and it's used to scare the enemy who already heard about its exploits.

The RX79G Gundam Ground type was more like the recycle of parts from the left over Project V as a stop gap for the full fledged production of the RGM-79 GM series as well as testing and refine the issues.

not really the RX-78[G] was a cost reduced version of the RX-78-2 Gundam it had luna titanium armoring but only on vital areas like the generator and cockpit.

@@genisisbeing correct me if I am wrong, gundam ground type was assign as model number rx79g, not rx78g. It was not just a cost reduce version of the rx78, but a recycle of parts of the left over project v to fit more towards ground combat role as that time eff is still building everything on their own rather than sub contract them out.

A reminder that Char's Zaku came from stock Zaku. The only difference is that Char reprogrammed the response time of his Zaku to fit with his piloting skill. Also he's naturally talented in piloting mobile suit.

Psycho Zaku is from an alternate UC which is not even related to 0079 we all knew. The correct one is High Mobility Type which is Psycho Zaku is based from.