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could you do some vids on the MSG Thunderbolt Series? it has a really interesting story especially if you read the manga. Edit: also could you maybe do the Design lineage of the Zaku or GM RGM series of mobile suits?
Zeon honestly had ALOT of good pilots and i think thats the real factor in how so many outdated machines could go toe to toe with some of the federations more advanced units you have hardened well trained pilots who been fighting almost 20 years vs mostly fresh or barely war tested feddies its no surprise. with ZZ its i feel terrain was a factor to they were fighting in the desert against pilots that had been fighting for almost 2 decades and thier machines were optimized for those condisions and home field advantage.
@@gravefox4206 DON'T FORGET that these guys are all Space ISIS fanatics as well. 20 years veterans with SERIOUS grudges against mostly green EFF units.
The F15 Eagle is active since 1972 and it's going to end production in 2022. It'll be like a GM model made in OYW kicking ass all to way to F91 or Crossbone
Let's put the Juaggu's hydraulics into perspective as well. You guys see how it wrecked a NEMO with one punch? NEMOs are armored with Gundarium Alpha, which is basically equal to the Luna Titanium of the original Gundam and was specifically intended to be. In other words, the Juaggu would have been able to go toe to toe with Amuro Ray... and quite possibly win.
@@chrisadams1814 An Ace pilot with a Juaggu could likely figure out ways to modify it to rectify any mobility issues it might have. Whether that be with additional thrusters, a better reactor/generator, etc. I mean, look at how nimble that Guncannon was, and that thing was probably being piloted by either an Ace or at the very least a seasoned and experienced pilot. The biggest factor when it comes to mobile suit performance has almost always been the skill and quality of the pilot in question. Like in SEED Destiny, Athrun was able to perform surprisingly well against one of the Gundams stolen by the Extended in just a Zaku Warrior....a unit that was undeniably inferior to the Gaia, Chaos, & Abyss. Not to mention Char's ability to perform well even against Amuro's Gundam in just a modified Zaku II. It's the pilots who make or break a given mobile suit in many cases. Even a sub-par unit could still perform well with a suitable pilot. Such as Amuro's RX-78-2 (which by that point was outdated and obsolete) making short work of Zeon's Gelgoogs (which outclassed the RX-78-2 by that point in terms of overall specs), all due to Zeon lacking pilots skilled enough to bring out the best of those Gelgoogs.
@@gamester512 sorry i had a typo i mean but it probably had some modifications. What you said is true, a good pilot can make up for his machines faults. BUT still its going to be hard to out run a Ferrari with a Pinto. in Zeta gundam that GM2 pilot couldn't hit the Rick Dias's cause it was too unresponsive. that guy was old enough to be a vet. in the og Gundam Armuro "shot" down two pilots who were much more skilled them him on his first day as a pilot. basically what im getting at the suit doesn't make the man and the man doesn't make the suit. a good suit can make up for a midcore pilot and a good pilot can make up for a bad suit but they both will only go so far. Again we see that with Armuro in the OG hes basically just good enough to get it to move at first and the armor of the gundam keeps him alive till he can catch up then eventually is the gundam playing catch up.
To me, the pilot’s skill make up 80% of how the actual ms performs, of course that changes a bit if you put for example a GM 2 against some high performance machine from later uc
I personally loved clearing all of Char's storyline up to the end of Z Gundam in his Zaku II whilst playing Gundam vs. Zeta Gundam back in the day on the PS2. I don't know what it was but I could pretty much stomp anything the game threw at me in the Zaku better than any other MS of his and if I were rich I'd pay someone to animate Char absolutely curb stomping Haman and Sirocco in his Zaku II in the final battle with no difficulty what so ever.
Jd Moore Dude! I hear that! I beat the game with the Gundam MK-2. And for some dang reason, I always ended up always winning with a missing head and arm lol
Stark Jegan from Unicorn really does prove this. That lone badass would have ended the first episode before it began if not for the Kashytriya blindsiding him.
RGB Potato who's ready to die for zeon!? Zeon pigs: *YEAAAH!* You can pilot this "state of the art" mobile suit... (for about 20 seconds before it exploded) Zeon pigs: ummm...
The Gelgoog is a beast, especially when matched with an ace like Char or Johnny Raiden. My favorite is the MS-14jg Gelgoog Jaeger in 0080. That sucker had like triple the thrusters output as a regular Gelgoog if I remember correctly, far superior to even the Gelgoog Marine in 0083.
I love Zaku 1. When I was told to pick a low powered mecha for a game, I immediately jumped for it and gave it a blade antenna. It has good basic functions, frame, and handling. It's always been a low cost unit ripe for jury-rigging, equipment testing, upgrade packages, and utility duties, a great addition to any squad looking to add a unit fit for a little bit of anything.
Honestly surprised the Z'gok didn't make this list. All things considered the machine was not only one of the best overall performing amphibious type mobile suits ever designed. Even as it aged, the thing was able to rip ships apart and take down newer gem variants as well as a gundam built specifically for underwater combat.
frankly all of Zeons water combat units are great. the Feddies just take what they have and modify them the Aqua GM is basicly a GM with water gear slapped on. all zeon ones were built from the ground up. the Zee Zulu is the exception cause to me its mislabeled. its more akin to say a Navy SEAL using scuba gear to get to land then diching for standered weapons.
@@gravefox4206 Eh, that isn't quite true. Zeon originally used a zaku with gear strapped onto it. They realized it's performance wasn't enough, and after that began to develop the rest of their designs. Also to be fair, the vast majority of amphibious mobile suits are meant to serve both fighting roles: in the water, and on land hence amphibious.
@@MuShinnen fair point i tend to forget but Zeon did learn unlike the federation. look at the Gogg it wasnt able to stay on land for to long while the Acguy and Z'gok could the Hygogg was a major improvment over the original Gogg as well.
By biggest problem with every Gundam series is that instead of cool robot battles, every enemy HAS to be shown to be a threat to the protag first, thus it always feels forced when one suit from Zeon/the bad guys' team wipes the floor with a bunch of federation ones. Like, I get it, they are a threat; showing the elite team of modern MS get dominated by 3 rubber bands and a plastic tarp takes me more out of the action than into it.
Nail on the head. My biggest issue, well with anything involving drama, is the absurd levels they will often go to heap as much (unnecessary) drama as they can into every last scene because...?!!?! Case in point: last five or so episodes of 0083. A colony drop, several plot twists and betrayals, plus the concluding of the series long duel between the main two characters of the show just IS NOT ENOUGH drama apparently. No we gotta toss in a love triangle from out of left field and oh one of Nina's old friends gets shot because reasons. Origin actually gets it right, only to then bludgeon me over the head repeatedly with slapstick yuck yucks just incase I might've actually been even somewhat emotionally involved with the tragic events or emotional dialogue that had been taking place just moments before. Honestly this is the worst of the two. It's like if you were watching Stalingrad or Das Boot and moments after some shockingly tragic scene you get Colonel Klink and Sgt. Shultz doing a bit.
Huh? Most times in Gundam series the enemy is fielding better suits, it's kinda rare for the outdated stuff to hold up. And if you dont show the antagonist to be a threat....uh what's the point of the show? Like if we never see the enemy beating something, why should we even be invested in what the protag is doing? We just see character after character get their ass kicked by the protag? Hows that an interesting watch?
I'm literally trying to think of times we see a bunch of low performance "bad guy" suits wreck good guy high performance units: any time it happens in OG Gundam it's because Amuro is inexperienced, by the series mid point anything giving him trouble isnt low performance. Other then the Gundams, all the AEUG suits are generally worse than all the Titan stuff, not an issue in CCA, the Federation is using incredibly outdated suits in F91, and even worse so in V. Other then the final fight in 0080, every fight is between generally equal performance machine, and while we see a lot of fed suits merced at the start of 0083, that's more about green pilots vs hardened veterans. And they mostly win on account of the high performance Gundam they just stole. So what moments in UC Gundam besides the one episode in Unicorn and the general derp of ZZ do we see the antagonist use "three rubberbands and a tarp" to wipe modern elite good guy teams? It's almost always done by the newest high performance suit they just rolled out
the lack of any serious effort by the legitimate EFF (eg not TITANS) to clean up the Zeon forces on Earth is weird. Also, why are EFF pilots usually so green???
Well there's the fight between Scarlet Team and the Kampfer in 0080, in which the Kampfer defats 6 (presumably elite) MSs, including two GMs Sniper II, which were supposed to have better stats than the Gundam itself ! Though this one is more a case of stupid tactics than pilots incompetence. The Feds should've dropped one sniper away from the Kampfer and sent the rest to distract Mikhail, this way the sniper could've shot the Kampfer from afar. But instead they decided to drop the entire team at CQC range, go figure. Also from 0080, there's the second fight scene in ep1. Technically it doesn't really count since the Feds canonically won that one, but during the entire scene we see Zakus curbstomping GMs Command, which is ludicrous. The original GM was already superior to the Zaku in every way, so the Commands should really be more talented than that. Damn, they don't even manage to kill Bernie. Sure, they shoot him down, but he's a rookie facing experienced soldiers (GMs Command are usually given to commanders or elite pilots), this should've been an instant death for him !
Wanna know what's really funny? By the time of Gundam Wing's first episode the Leo had been in service for near 20 years, and not only is it still a top tier mainline unit, it's still the go to unit when things needed to get done right. Combat an enemy MS? Combat a captured MS? Outgunned? Outnumbered? Enemy upgraded? Is it a Gundam? Send in a factory stock Leo.
@@JeanLucCaptain Setsuna can't clean house by piloting nothing but a flag, the wing boys can't bring world peace with but five basic Leos, Tekkadan won't survive long if all they had are a bunch of shidens. Amuro can't take on Char in his Sazabi with his OG gundam and Jesus Yamato won't be able lay waste to an entire army in a second with just a GINN. No, gundams aren't just for show, their performance matters.
@@qiushuang239 You're also talking about main characters vs grunts. Yes, the Gundams mattered (it is the name of the show after all lol) but your skills as a pilot mattered as well. Heero and Duo kicked the crap out of Made Maia's Serpent types in old Space Leos and Heero held his own against Wu Fei in Altron. Just because you have a grunt suit doesn't mean you get beat, and just because you have a Gundam doesn't mean you're gonna win.
Random fact: During Zeta Gundam when Reccoa defects to the Titans in a Gelgoog captured by the AEUG in the remains of a Zeon ship, the Gelgoog was not actually the Gelgoog. Instead, the AEUG took that Gelgoog's armor and put it on the frame of a Nemo, resulting in a normal Gelgoog with stats being atleast on par, if not better than, the GM Sniper II *(This is a good thing, the Sniper II was the most powerful GM variant of the OYW and was whole lot better than the Gundam in every which way on paper and the Nemo is based off the Sniper II)*
I like to think there's a difference between outdated and old school. Old school in real world comparisons would be like using a car from the 1970's today. Out dated is something that has too many downsides to be ever dragged out of retirement.
It was very likely that it was built as a "top gun aggressor" unit to act as a target for federal cadets in training . Having federal ms internals would simply repairs. The same concept probably led to the RMS-106 the need.to keep the aggressor Zaku II units running with a supply chain issue probably led to units with RGM-79 parts field retrofitted in making more like a Zanny. The data getting fed back would have led to the brass requesting AE design a new unit in the zaku line that used RGM standard parts to save on costs.
Nah it is most likely cross technology with EF Galbaldy alpha and beta. those production line did borrow and improved gelgoog tech thus make it easier to implement into older frame.
That is one of the things that I love about Zeon MS, is that even when dated, they are incredibly durable and usually have higher capabilities than expected. Partly why in Gundam Breaker my main builds are based on the Zudah, Gouf and sometimes Geara Doga, outside of using the Tallgeese.
@MIDKNIGHT FENERIR Not even a little bit. Unless you mean in the early era where the Federation had tanks while Zeon had suits, then sure, but only by sheer virtue of "1 is bigger than 0." Otherwise once the Federation actually entered into the MS phase they always had the upper hand. For an example the Zeon suit Gelgoog, developed late war, was only marginally better statistically speaking then the Gundam, which had fought through a large portion of the war already.
I was kinda hoping for the Z'Gok just because I remember reading how one was still able to punch clean through either a GM II or III, but I do very much love the elephant taking that spot
If you were to do an AU version of this list, I imagine every Gundam frame from Iron Blooded Orphans will be on there as it is literally 300 year-old technology outperforming modern tech in that universe
TechnoKnight technically wing zero would also qualify since it was developed shortly after the tallgeese was, it just didn’t get past the blueprint phase until 15 years later
2:28 sure just modify a zaku into a sniper, makes sense. Snipers don't need durability, just accuarcy and mobility/cloaking to get into good hiding spots.
that blue Gelgoog i think it was featured in the manga "return of Johnny Ridden." listed features displayed during its appearance; anti-beam coating radar-absorbent coating passive/active targeting scrambler high-output reactor low-heat signature high-mobility in atmosphere extreme operational range advance and detailed sensors (post OYW and pre-Zeta specs) magnetic-coated joints
I think it's interesting to note that a Nemo managed to defeat a Capule in Dakar, which is impressive since the Nemo was outdated compared to the Capule that Neo-Zeon was deploying at the time.
>the other clunkers the neo-zeon remnants used-- *cough cough* Don't you mean Earth Zeon remnants? The whole reason why they had outdated tech was because they had been waiting for the chance to rejoin Zeon's war of independence ever since the OYW, being abandoned after Operation Odessa like many others we see in both 0083 & 0088. They were however assisted by 2 Zee Zulu's and their pilots gifted to Looni's group by Full Frontal as a fake reassurance, but that's it on the "neo-zeon remnant" side. Sorry for being pedantic about that small thing.
I've been waiting for a Zaku 1 MG2.0 release since the Zaku 2 came out. Darn it Bandai, you can reuse most of the inner frame and maybe even some armor! What's keeping you
@@sonwig5186 you mean PG? Never is your answer... Although it looks mean enough that in a diorama a PG sized version against some HGs would be epic ^.^
which series was that Zaku I sniper in ? I don't recognize the anime , then again its been a while since I've watch any newer Gundam shows aside from the build fighters era stuff.
The juag actually did show up in the one year war in gundam we are the federation hooligan when they did a sneak attack on ellsworths base with some zaku and other experimental aqua ms which then dig right into the heart of the federation base
Thanks for the awesome video. I've been out of the Gundam loop for a long time, and this video was randomly recommended, decided to watch it. Glad I did.
Unicorn is fair IMHO while showing the usual Zeon is badass, they also have rare normal Feds aces, like the fearsome Byarlant custom and the awesome Stark Jegan pilot
Love your videos. I'd really like to request that you make a video covering a series called Mobile Suit Gundam gihren's greed. Something not a lot of people might have had the chance to play. But it has a lot of animations and sequences and scenes that a lot of people have no doubt come across. I think covering that particular game and what it entails along with the ending and how it plays out so differently for characters from Stardust memory to the 8th Ms team, even Char's Counterattack. I think that would be a really interesting video to cover. The alternate series of events and timelines are quite interesting
I love all the mobile suits in this video and most of them are my favourites, but I especially love the Juaggu. Its just the cutest building sized nuclear powered war robot around.
Just noticed but the zaku I sniper instead of using zeonic's usual liquid pulse system for the zakus (seen on the head and legs) it uses field motors which was common in EFSF mobile suit designs
3:37 from old time otaku perspective, the scene was one helluva nod to those who stuck around since the 1st Gundam days. Juaggu never appeared in the first TV series. It was seen first time ins MSV (Mobile Suits Variation) scale model series that came out shortly after the 1st Gundam broadcast. Basically it was a way to make money out of designs that were axed, canned or didn't make it to final cut for one reason or other. It was mentioned here and there in novels and games, but the only other appearance in anime is in Gundam Build Fighters.
What's interesting is what series you watch should be a huge factor for the difference a suit makes. The Zaku I wasn't exactly a WWI tank. It was exceptionally sophisticated, and had generally good performance. A Zaku II, which came out in the same year, shouldn't be a huge leap above it. At the very least, it should have almost no difference in ground battle if we're talking a realistic scenario like 08th Team. No huge leaps and flying around. With all the visual range fighting, the fire control system shouldn't be as big a difference as the show makes it seem. With all the software based information, I'd think a software update should be enough for most situations. Outside the Earth's atmosphere is probably a much bigger story. Full freedom of movement and the removal of that big gravity element should make a difference in powerplant much more meaningful.
I would say that a sniper unit has a slightly easier job of performing well despite its disadvantages. It is basically just part of a mounted cannon or turret at that point, since it just relied on the airship for movement. No maneuverability required. Of course, this principle also applies to real life snipers. General precision and reliability shot to shot can lead to older items, such as bolt action rifles, to perform admirably.
I don't know why I keep coming back to rewatch this as much as I have. Maybe because it gives me hope that I could still kick butt if I had a Gundam Ground Type to pilot post OYW.
The gelgoog marine is my favorite zeon suit. In particular cima's commander type. For the federation, my favorite is the jesta canon variant of the jesta. i have a thing for the gm line of ms and have 20+ gm model kits including the jesta and jesta canon.
How about a Top List of specialized Mobile Suits? You know, not the jack of all trades machines, like the Zaku or GM, Ace Custom versions, or bleeding edge prototypes, but MS or variants that were designed with specific purposes, environments or situations in mind. Things like amphibious operations, rear-line support, tackling of certain enemies, and so on.
I’m personally an earth federation guy myself... but I still have SOME respect for Zeon (I mostly hate Zeon because they once went way too far by gassing a populated space colony killing both the military people & civilians in it, then dropping it on the earth blowing it up). I do like their variety of mobile suits (I’m not really into the amphibious ones because they are a little too ugly looking... but the Z’gok is a cool looking amphibious mobile suit). If I was to use a Zeon mobile suit... I think I would use a Zaku II with a mostly black with some lime green paint job & use a 100 mm machine gun as the primary weapon for it & also use a short sword type weapon for melee combat (if possible).
This list could have easily been “zeon needs new mobile suits badly.” And you could have had 5 zeon ms on it. And then make a list with the byalant custom, cause that was 10 years old and kicking 10 times its own ass
Howdy Kakarot197, great channel and Monster Hunter 4 ultimate 3DS XL unboxing which was a while ago.Just want to know are you from Holland? Sounds like you have a slight accent.Keep well cheers.
Back in 2001 I had started my trip down the rabbit hole of the Gundam series. The first Zeon MS I saw was on a gundam fansite in a short clip in the media download section,english subbed, in 240p that took about 5 minutes to download. It was from 0083. The Zeon MS was the Gelgoog Marine. It remains to this day my most favorite MS of all.
According to MSV Johnny's Zaku 2 Full Bullet destroyed the FA-78 💪 Ultimately skill > technology Holds true in other universes as well. Celestial being kick some series ass with their GN Technology base suits.. but when the GN-X were introduced they had a very hard time fighting them.
To be fair, the solar engines the gundams used were only really superior because they made their own particles, and had trans am to lean on, the only thing that made the GN-X "weaker" was that they were more general purpose, and lacked the hyper destructive gear the gundams were regularly fielding. The GN-X III remedies that by having a ton of specialized units itself, but still only seemed weaker because the celestial being crew were actual ace pilots by that time, and were able to outdo any normal GN-X III pilot
Yeah, figured the Goog would be on here. :P It really seems like it was an amazing machine held back by unseasoned pilots at the time it was made, and even base-level Googs are proving that...much less the ReGelg, who only needed new shoulders and a new backpack to once again menace the big boys.
Imagine a gundam series that actually took into account production costs, performance, and military strategies instead of the usual hype. God, that'd be so badass.
I think things like production costs were not really mentioned cause back when first gundam came out it was obvious that it drew alot from WWI and WWII and sure enough Zeon ended up down the same path that NAZI germany had. Operation Odessa was basicly D-Day and as Zeon got pushed back like the NAZI they became desprate and threw everything they had into "Wunder" weapons like Mobile armors streching thier factories and resources to the absolute limit. i dont think Zeon would have "Won" the war even if the Gelgoog got rolled out sooner and they had pilots but probobly would have led to somekind of armistence instead and both sides would just turn back and lick thier wounds.
08th MS Team does have a really realistic style but unfortunately it's kind of ruined by the dumb romance tumor plot. There's also 0080 which has a more realistic style than most other series and has some really badass suits, but tactics are practically non-existent, I mean at some point the Feds drop artillery and sniper MSs at CQC range from the Kampfer. So yeah I hope someday we get something like 08th MS Team, just with less romance or better done romance.
Excellent video. I always have a soft spot for outdated technology that lasts well beyond its intended service life. That said...could these suits then be considered ahead of their time?
@@scorpionvenom27 same. The only other scene that comes close to that is when the acguy takes out a gundam. But not much compared to the badassness of the asshimar scene.
I like how Code Geass added a pack on the back of the machines that houses an Emergency Escape Device that rips the cock pit out of the machine, seems like a lot of Zeon's issue was a shortage of pilots, not saying this would have single handedly fixed that issue but it probably would have helped.
Then Zeon would have even MORE KIAs due to the fact that the machine was built for a special intended role and still quite vulnerable to being killed by regular units...
I used to chuckle at that first scene. I was like. That’s actually kinda wild if that was real. Museum pieces still fighting at war. Then I looked at real life and was shocked.
The Gelgoog is a beast in the right hands. I know this because i piloted a Gelgoog Ground Type (VD) in battle on GBO2 and managed to ward off 2 players while defending a downed ally who wasnt able to fight and they were picking on. I managed to kill one and made the other one run off (the one i killed got smacked on the backswing of my beam naginata and got hit with the offhand end of it). They couldnt move me off their target. Luckily my team mates came over right when the other guy ran off. Im known for jumping in between my down allies and their attackers making myself a shield. The Gelgoog Ground Type (VD) is good for this. Always favored the Gelgoog as my favorite mass produced MS other than the Gouf.
Cool fact here. Not sure who did the music score for 0083, but if you watch the Chuck Norris movie Invasion USA, when Chuck goes chasing after the guys escaping the mall, a version of one of the 0083 songs can be heard.
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