5 Levels of Self-Driving: Which Are We On? 

It's going to get more complicated but fortunately more complicated systems do exist and investigations are already carried out in a very different manner, I am talking about the aviation industry because airplanes themselves are such complicated machines and operate within a complicated systems that are managed by a large number of people at the same time so if an accident happens you cannot directly point fingers at the pilot like we normally do or think we should do instead each and every detail of the reason for the accident is investigated and recommendations are brought out that include changes in the avionics, Changes in management, changes in training, just to mention a few ...... With all of these being done it makes the flying of millions of unsuspecting commoners accross the world safe..... . Why I mentioned it? Because that's where we're headed with driverless cars there would be people sitting in RTC or road traffic control rooms who will issue traffic commands to the vehicle, if any accident occurrs it can be due to all the factors you mentioned and all of them will be investigated to see what needs to be changed

Just blame the city for making the layout of the city accident prone

Apart from the first few years, driverless cars, will exist within a 'Transport as a service' model. No one (very few) will own a vehicle any more. They will simply order up the vehicle they need for whatever job they are doing. One person going into town for shopping? A tiny, one seater arrives for the 'in' journey and a similar car, but with a boot, pulls up to take you home. Need to take the kids to the beach? A five seater, duly presents itself. The few hours a day we need them and the cost of depreciation, fuel and insurance, will make taking personal, permanent ownership of any conveyance, seem eccentric, at the least.

@@ikaiko8612 thats true. Maybe if an automatic car crashes in London, the Italians should pay up. After all, the Romans shouldnt have built the city like that without thinking about the cars driving around 2,000 years later…

@@michaeljames5936 i think if theyre used that way, driverless busses make more sense, then driverless cars for more specific and smaller journeys.

THIS ^^^ but also, oh my god try walking through autonomus tuk tuk's, bikes and cars... it's already hard enough

Oh no...I never thought about that...guess we need a new level 6 of autonomy.

They'll need a whole new algorithm for that. It'll be full self driving : $5000, Indian self driving: $30000

That's going to take alot of time

That will be level 100😂😂

if you can afford the robot butler

​@@Tomi-always-Tomi if he can afford a level 5 self driven car in the firsthand, then he can definitely afford a robot butler . 👍🏼

@@Tomi-always-Tomi That's my point. Who is going to be able to afford a fully autonomous car? I sure can't.

i’m almost never in a car today already, since public transport, cycle infrastructure and walkability are excellent where i live. only reason to rent a car is for moving furniture and stuff like that also, making public transport vehicles autonomous is way easier, especially since many vehicles are literally following a railroaded path

Thats 2 products from Tesla... time to buy more Tesla stocks. ;P

Very true

as someone who lives in phoenix seeing the way cars around in central phoenix quite regularly is very cool

you would be mind blown by the amount of tesla's running FSD and driving 80+% of the time

Imagine if they invested in trains and other public transport infrastructure rather than "driverless" death machines.

San Fran is the most digitized driving space in the world (outside of a few roads in Silicon Valley), the self-driving is replete with numerous "cheats", incredibly expensive sensors, and human remote monitoring. And still, the cars have to be "rescued" sometimes multiple times per day.

Nobody in the investing world actually takes autonomy much into account. That's not why the stock price increased dramatically. It's because they make amazing cars, energy products etc. In 2023, the most sold car in the world is the Model Y. They are also into AI, battery production, insurance business etc. Tesla is basically 20 companies in 1 and that's why the company is worth so much today.

@@tripnils7535 - That sounds exactly like Sears 40 years ago …

​@@tripnils7535Yeah everybody knows of that Tesla quality built and full service they provide.

Kind of like global warming we have 12 years left

At the minute, Tesla is running FSD v12. They've virtually eliminated all the old coding in favour of an AI algorithm with neural net. This work is as good as any provisional teenage driver.

This argument only applies when they hit level 5, until then the human on board is responsible.

@@willstikken5619 actually level 4 allows for fully autonomous driving it's just in a geofenced area, so like waymo is now

@@markreed9853 Thanks but level 4 is not full autonomy, its conditional autonomy. It is easy to blur the lines between them but they are distinct.

@@willstikken5619 it says "Characterized as “high automation,” Level 4 is the second highest level of autonomy identified by the Society of Automobile Engineers (SAE). A Level 4 AV is a vehicle fully capable of driving itself within specific areas and under certain conditions, and might be for passengers or cargo, whether privately owned or made available on demand on a Mobility-as-a-Service (MaaS) basis"

@@willstikken5619 also found, Waymo operates in some of its testing markets, such as Chandler, Arizona, at level 4 autonomy with no one sitting behind the steering wheel, sharing roadways with other drivers and pedestrians.

In China i think they already doing this in some city. not only self aware and vehicle to vehicle link but also on the city it's self, stop lights connected, cctv connected, radar array etc...?

Gen z doesn't share the same sentiments as you or I. It will be a different world by 2035.

@@philborer877 yeah, true. I try to be positive, but seeing them now makes me worried

Places like Europe, China and Japan have wonderful large scale transportation but are still working on self driving cars. The two are not mutually exclusive

​@@davidk.d.7591actually self driving cars will really just help to automate the transportation systems in the countries which have some. Metros should be automateable anyway, whole what cars are done now, trams will do as well some years later

​@@jan-lukas Many metros already are automated. They do operate in one dimension after all...

Problem is America invested too much in highways and not enough in trains. It can and hopefully will get better to ride trains but the reality is they aren’t convenient for most Americans, maybe not for other countries

How are you going to have train tracks going to the grocery store, the dentist, the park, and a million other spots people generally want to travel to.

​@@robb233You have them close together instead of sprawled out like in American cities. Density is better for walking, cycling, and rail, but only bad for cars

@@anonymoususer3012so your solution to the problem is “Just don’t have the problem in the first place!” Gee, so helpful. It’s too late to rebuild every city in America.

@@ObjectsInMotion That is what we call a "sunk cost fallacy." The benefits of making our cities more walkable and transit friendly vastly outweigh those of leaving the status quo intact. It will take money and time, but it is the best way forward

Buses stop for other people but cars don’t need to. Buses can be good but at least in America many of them are infrequent

@@altacalifornia2580 bro .... i never needed to learn how to drive because how good buses are. i hope you understand my English.

@@samankucher5117 I’m talking about America, not Europe

@@altacalifornia2580 bro .... am in iraq .

Once, the battery issue is solved I believe electric will be the future. So for now it will be hybrid for the future

Just because, the batteries aren't up to the task

Same

Ditto

And even that one person driving can be replaced by a computer much more easily if you remove all the level crossing of the railway. And at the same time you get a super efficient transport vehicle that at the same time can go really fast (depending on the place up to 360km/h)

Trains don't make a lot of sense when population density is low, such as in most of america/russia/africa etc. Trains make sense in densly populated areas, otherwise it's way to expensive for a tiny benefit.

​@@tripnils7535 on those places, we can use buses, trams, and bikes! :)

@@tripnils7535trains are more practical and economical in most land situations than trucks on highways

I can't take a train to the grocery store.

I dont think the word itself will die out. Most people today still know the term knitting despite almost no one knitting anymore.

@@USA_UNITED1776 I hardly think that is a similar analogy as even at knittings height, not everyone did it, it was left to housewives and workers. And “almost no one” is a bad assumption. The “knitting industry” did 23.8 Billion in 2018, that’s a lot of yarn. Any person in a modern civilization has either driven a car or has been in one, therefore the term has become universal. Even when/if there is fully autonomous vehicles, we may still use the term drive, but would not be surprised if we differentiate it with terms like “navigate” or “pilot”. Example, you pilot a boat is actually the correct term, but most people will say “drive a boat, steer a boat, captain a boat”. There is a dying breed that actually uses the term pilot a boat. Check back in 20 years

Thats what 5 is

No. Cars _drive_ the humans

No. Cars learn to drive in Pakistan

I'm pretty sure horses don't really have lane assist. It's almost like we had horse riders and coaches with riders making sure the horses didn't veer off course. And horses don't know where New York is, nor road signs. Without instructions horses do nothing, shit on the road and eat grass

​@@zimzimph Well, I'd say horses are definitely level 2 automation. And auto-navigation works great on the way back to the barn from anywhere.

We have level 5 today with trains, from every passenger's perspective

@@spyresoblazx duh. Yes. I'm not claiming automation as an advantage of cars over trains. I'm claiming that automation is a temporary advantage that trains used to, but no longer have, over cars. Once solved, automation has no incremental cost. Historically, automation and efficiency are the reasons it made sense to put hundreds of people on the same vehicle, and the same schedule, and to the same destination. Those advantages are disappearing. Given the same level of automation and efficiency, cars are better than trains, particularly for shorter distances, because they are more flexible and require less infrastructure.

Could play Mario Kart or Need for Speed

*plays Trucking Simulator to appreciate the peasants in VR while my Tesla drives me to the Whole Foods in SF*

​@@septicembermost people who can afford a 150k car dont shop at whole foods dude. I know quite a bit here in Milwaukee on my mother's side of the family, most of them just eat at restaurants every day, or they shop at a nicer store like Sendiks (kinda a Milwaukee version of erehwon but less overpriced)

@@USA_UNITED1776 imagine being able to eat out all the time or shop at a store that my poor ass has never even heard of lol couldnt be me 🤣😭😭😭😭 wtf is Erehwon kdhdhdhdhd

@@USA_UNITED1776 also bro it WAS A JOOOOKE 😭😭😭😭😭😭

It's like playing chess. Often when I'm presented with a random board it'll take me some time to internalise the pieces and their positions, infer the intentions of both sides, etc. Next, I identify the key tactics and their implications and then finally the best move. If I've been playing the game since the beginning, I already have 90% of that information loaded, and the next move is usually fairly immediately obvious. Depending on the clock, I may take a little more or a little less time calculating, but still... If I'm startled from a daydream by a warning buzzer on a car because it has made a mistake or someone else is about to cause an accident, I'm not going to be able to react as quickly!

The more opportunities for personal self-pleasure while the car drives!

Look up 'Children of the magenta line'

The thing is, these self driving cars are already better drivers than most of the population lmao

@@pilotlist6276 Funny thing is research is showing that this is causing accidents as well. The smart cars are driving so well that they can't cope with aggressive drivers who want to brake, check them or cut in sharply fro the emergency lane. Drunk drivers driving in the wrong direction on a highway make the car think its also going in the wrong direction and it can also swerve into the oncoming car because it doesn't realize the other car is the one making the mistake.

Also, do remember mate that tesla clearly states you are in contol, not the car. Also nothing forces you to use the system. in the future, where its 100% autonomous, Tesla stated that they will be liable for any crashes.

Tesla is actually only like a level two system

​@@Foremangrillyou mean "autopilot." They have "enhanced autopilot" and "FSD" models/subscriptions too.

That's not accurate. FSD does not disengage in reponse to an imminent crash. That was a myth started by some fudmongerer. Indeed, over the years, I have experiences two near misses caused by the other vehicle, where my Tesla responded skillfully and more quickly than I would have. One was Autopilot, which hit the breaks suddenly, after which I realized that the car in front of the car in front of me was screeching to a halt. Because of the early detection, my Tesla was able to perform a rapid but smooth deceleration. The other scenario was just a typical case of the other car changing lanes into their blind spot. FSD smoothly swerved to avoid the collision. In both cases, if Tesla had this mythological policy of disengaging on imminent colisions, things would have turned out differently. However, it is true that FSD beta is currently deployed as a level 2 system, as such, the human driver is fully responsible for monitoring and must take over immediately if necessary. This is very clearly communicated and unambiguous. In addition, FSD monitors the driver with a cabin camera to ensure they are watching the road, and requires frequent feedback to ensure the driver has contact with the steering wheel. All FSD drivers are aware of this responsibility, and if they forget, their FSD beta priveleges are temporarily revoked. That being said, it's been months since I've taken control for safety reasons, and during that time the software has greatly improved. As of the current release 11.4, I believe FSD is ready to start rolling out as level 3. This would mean the driver will no longer required to monitor the road and will not ever need to immediately take over. It also means that Tesla would be entirely liable for any accidents it causes. Obviously this rollout will be contingent on statistical proof that FSD is sustantially safer than human drivers, even when not monitored. Currently, FSD monitored by a human driver (as currently deployed) is several times safer than the average human driver alone (as measured by millions of miles per collision). Tesla also has data on number of miles per human intervention, and receives detailed telemetry and human feedback associated with these interventions. From this data, Tesla can predict when level 3 operation is safe. For example, if no interventions occur on a level 2 drive, then that drive could have safely been level 3.

Tesla full self drive is only in beta at the moment, so the driver is liable as they need to monitor the vehicle as the beta program says. Once full self-driving is complete Tesla and the insurance will be liable not you, Elon has already said that. You will then be able to rent out your Tesla vehicle on the robotaxi network, but Tesla gets a commission it's in the contract for anyone buying a Tesla now! - I can see Tesla vehicles being able to drive themselves on most roads within five years, then probably another 5 years to get to near 100%. With a 8 cameras recording constantly, and data collected by the vehicle they can tell why the vehicle crashed, and who was at fault.

We have too many "muh privacy" retards for something as glorious and efficient as that happening.

Most companies have abandoned the ideas of fully autonomous vehicles … They are just developing driver assistance systems …

US trains suck … Trains are only as good as the tracks they ride on.

And the funny thing is that autopilot on a plane is about level 3.

Can’t wait until my work robot can ride in that car, go to work, then give me all the wages so I can sit on my arse, watch tv, and drink beer all day … oh, and boink my Madelyn Cline robot …

I thought Tesla was level 3 now? Though they market their cars like they are level 5 by calling it full self driving even though they are still far from that.

The current version of FSD beta is fully capable of level 3. I can confirm this because I have had zero interventions since receiving the latest FSD Update. Gradual rollout of level 3 is coming in the next few months or so subject to regulatory approval. The difference is just removal of the "nag feature" which requires the driver to demonstrate that they are ready to take over at a moments notice. Thus removal of this requirement constitutes level 3 because the driver will no longer be required to continuously monitor. Since Tesla has millions of FSD vehicles on the road, and is the only driving automation system that operates in all locations and conditions, it won't take very long to move on to level 4 and 5.

Anyone that wants to go to Disneyland has bigger problems than dreaming about cars that may not exist for decades …

What CAR company is more advanced than them with self driving technology? Besides, they are at level 3 lol not 2. What is the point of your comment? To show how naive you are saying "Tesla will get swallowed up fairly soon" lmao Tesla isn't going away any time soon, just because you're a hater doesn't mean everyone else is 🤷