Yes, it is almost always correct that you must go see a property for yourself. However, we were buying and moving to portugal during covid and we were on the clock. We could not visit and time was critical. So we had a lawyer and real estate agent and a building inspector visit the property to make sure we knew everything possible. They inspected the house, video recording every square meter for us. We had live video calls. They video recorded the neighborhood, the wider region. We bought the house remotely, and fortunately it all worked out.
@@ayzie804 im in viseu. i would recommend our Lisbon based lawyer. The real estate people did a good job but we got the feeling there was less price negotiating on our behalf than we might have liked. But we didnt know.
Portuguese here... never get "a" lawyer in Portugal. Get at least one plus another that has knowledge of notary/registry of land, e.g. a "conservador" (keeper of registers). Preferably miles apart and not knowing about each other. Assure you have one of them properly translating all documentation back to you.
I have had great experiences with a Solicitador. They are very effective in all kinds of bureaucratic processes and I got all constructions of the previous owners legalised without a glitch.
@@lusofreak excellent advice. Especially about the land registry and notaries. The local junta and planning authorities are excellent people to ask for advice before you buy the land, afterwards is too late, as I'm sure you know but many don't. You can't buy land and do whatever you like on it, without risking everything you spend and more, It's a great pity many people don't understand the mistakes they can make with their life savings. Thanks for offering wise advice.
Jasper excellent job on explaining house hunting and what a win both ways on the concept of trading off. Can certainly be advantageous for someone to help you out and have you help them out with a place to stay, learn, meet new friends and check out Portugal. Wow Jasper you're not just a pretty face.
Really good information. Excellent mini-course for anyone considering making a move. I might have anticipated mmost of those, but the partial ownership thing would have completely blindsided me, as would the idea of a house being on some one else's land.
This is why i'm highly weary of lawyers and people working in the realm of law and bureaucracy, you have to tell them to check out this or that, to keep an eye on this or that or else they screw up. It's like they only do their job properly if you show them clearly that you are as well informed or even better informed than them, but then, why the hell do you need them for? Basically, most of them are a bunch of crooks!
I loved Mistake Number 5, simply because we are thinking of buying a property in Portugal and have therefore rented a house for September and October in the Penemacor district. First of all to see if it's something for us to live in the area. The Ghost Town has already been added to the "to visit" list.
"We were very good negotiators somewhere in history.." Back then your ways of negotiating were quite different, ask the Dutch East India Company about that.😂
It sounds like is a mine field the PT property market ,it feels like this sector needs a lot of improvements, having said that the people are fantastic as long as you do not enter any big financial transaction with them, very informative video thanks.
Its not more difficult than in any other country. You just need to know the national laws. And I really believe that its easier and clearer than in most other EU countries. You should nowhere buy property without legal advice.
I'm looking to purchase a small house in central region, only because it is affordable there, but I'd rather be closer to the ocean because as you said, it's cooler. Thanx for all the info.
Great video and thanks for looking into it as after my last comment about people buying their property and it turned out not to be theirs, well all i got was you need a Lawler. That's not the point estate agent's and lawyers should know what they are doing. Iv put this because it's the same in Greece so i now need to spend time and money to find out what's belongs to me.
Hazel ☘️ Great information …. A good lawyer is worth their weight in gold … but remember they too have to wait on documents going back and forward from government offices , so it’s easy to say “great lawyer, but they are terribly slow” My “4 week “turnover from agreement to finalisation is still ongoing 9 months later ! … but that’s coz my lawyer is efficient and discovered missing land even the previous owner was not aware of … and didn’t know he owned … so waiting is a pain , but can be to your advantage … Love to you Renato and the girlies … I’m still on tenterhooks to know for sure if Akira is pregnant ?.. (Or have I somehow missed the update. .? ) 🙏☘️😘
And we also love haggling, but this is because we have our methods to avoid big gov control. We call it Ayni in Quechua. This goes way beyond the idea of "exchange": it is really becoming part of the highest or greatest flow of energy within the organic weave and not resisting it as gringos programmed in matrix do. It is generative, circular and syntropic.
yes, that is why this gringa/latina wants so desperately to get out of the country....ASAP....This country is going to the toilet...justice is blind, people are getting crazier, law is for the poor and minorities but never applied for the top tier of people with money...and the list goes on and on...
@@lolitabonita08 I never paid any even when living in Europe or Canada. It was easy as a classical free lance musician. I did file though, just my costs were very high: piano, viola, violin, clothes, contact lenses, car, gas, master classes, it's surprising how I even ate food!!
Je hebt groot gelijk, alhoewel onderhandelen mij nog niet mee is gevallen. Uiteindelijk hadden we een deal, Koch lt de buurman het voor die lage prijs!
For these kind of mistakes, all real state agents and agencies have an insurance that serves to indemnify the clients. But, BEFORE you buy ask for the topographic plan.
@@GhostTownVlogs That's for sure your schedule is on Dutch time, still you have progressed very well, and I do enjoy the content, and the right and wrong ways of fixing them, keep up the good work.
I still can feel very frustrated about the Portuguese sometimes. They say yes but mean no. Like, if you don't want to do something, why not just say it? It takes ages if you ask a question before you get an answer, if at all. Very lovely people but I am used to Northern Europe where you put your money where your mouth is. We recently moved to the Alentejo from the Minho and my god, people here are lazy... In the North, I think most Portuguese are faster because lots of them have worked abroad.
@@__Dude_ I was just merely expressing the frustrations I sometimes have. Other than that very happy. And with lazy I mean that they are very reactive. They don't act unless something bad has happened. An open well without any cover: two lambs falling in and after that making a cover. There's even a saying about that in Dutch. Well, about calves but still.... And owner of the sheep said "but I didn't have the time..." whilst he spends almost every day in the local café after work - and not just for 'one coffee'. All fine with me but don't say you don't have time to look after your animals. Neighbour on the other side: several lame heifers. Even had to have the vet out. Turns out he burned lots of stuff in their paddock and left everything; nails, glass, beer bottles etc. If he'd spent an hour cleaning up after the fire, it would have been less costly.
@@__Dude_ dude your comment is very rude...this person is voicing the frustration and commenting in their experience so SHOUT ur mouth if u think u are superior and perfect and let all of us voice our concerns and frustrations... So Mr. perfect why u still here and not in Heaven? Being a foreigner does not mean u have to take it -i guess as u do bending down lol- lazy people are everywhere in the world and hard workers are hard to find this days...If you do not like this comment or the comment before me Hit the road JACK and good greetings...
@@Roosmarijn035 ignore Mr. perfect...His comment was out of place and very rude. thank you for caring for the animals...I will be fumming as well to see animals neglected by lazy good for nothing people.
One very important point is that all the owners of neighbouring plots have declined in writing the opportunity to buy the property you wish to buy at the price you are paying. If this has not happened a neighbour has the legal right to buy the property you own even years later at the price you paid. The warning not to buy more land than you can maintain is a very important tip, it's not a common problem in Northern Europe that land can become a burden, so bigger isn't always better in Portugal. Don't assume you can sell at the price you pay if things don't work out, you may not be able to sell at all. Dirt roads are difficult to maintain when rain washes them away and can become to rutted to use ordinary cars. Renovation of old buildings into legal dwellings is expensive, they become a "project" and must have an architect and structural engineer approval. Not all land can be lived on without the appropriate authority, so know what you are buying. Check with the local " Camera" the council officials are very helpful, they will tell the truth, your estate agent just wants to sell and may just say what you want to hear. Meet the locals, your neighbours, will they welcome you? Information and advice from local area is so helpful, they live there, their knowledge is priceless. Good luck it's a fantastic country.
@@evelynalexanderpentner9988 Hi, the reason I made those comments is that I was with a friend who bought a small Quinta. His estate agent was a wonderful lady, well respected by many Northern European expats and locals alike. I don't want to identify her by giving too many details which is a pity because I can't recommend her highly enough or I would gladly let others know how helpful she was. The most important reason for my trust is that she prevented my friend for buying a piece of land with terrible legal issues, it didn't even belong to the person trying to sell it. The lady spoke English and Portuguese and worked as a translator, she knew the law and explained every detail. Living in the area now my friend has learnt how many other people have been ripped off and had terrible experiences that cost tens of thousands of pounds. The lady helped with many other issues like insurance tax, residency etc. She is a good person which was lucky as there are many pit fall in buying from large estate agents especially, she was with a small local independent agency. The bits about planning and the local Junta have been learnt from friends dealing with building issues and listening to the lady who dealt with many professional builders architects and legal experts. Don't trust most estate agents, it's very rare to get one that is both honest and knowledgeable, go to the offices who make the rules, most speak English, go by what they say you will also build goodwill that way. Northern Europeans flashing the cash locally but ignoring the rules upset people who can be of great assistance when treated with respect. You can go to find out about who owns land etc by the land registry online and also speak to notaries who do the land transfers. My friend was helped throughout by the locals because he asks nicely for help and lives modestly. Good luck I hope what I say is useful and answers your question to some extent. If you need better information I will try to answer but my knowledge is obviously not as deep as the locals and based only on general knowledge of people I know.
@lynne2774 : Thank you for to write so much infos, we are long time here we saw even so much. The thing is when you come fresh here, all is nice, you see diverent thinks ans so on, the brain is out, settle down, come down , get enough information, and be carefully with the money. Thank you , we move now from the Algarve to Pedrogão Grande, Greatings Evelyn & Alexander
For a small fee the land registry is accessible by the public. Use the helpful advice of the local " Camera" ( council) visit in person to chat with the local people you want to abide by the rules and have their help and goodwill.
A real estate agent can legit. use what we used to call "salesmans puff " when advertising. Depending on the country, he is liable at law if he deliberately misleads you in his description. If he says for example "roof and walls are good' what does that actually mean? Is he qualified to make that statement? Fast answer. No. Is he liable? Maybe. If for exemple half the back roof is missing and you didn't get an engineer to inspect but you relied on his statement. You won't get recision of the contact either. Maybe damages, payable by him.
Do you pay taxes one time only when you buy the property ? Or is it every year and what is the tax based on . Is it a % of what you paid or do the say yeah we’re going to charge what we think the property is worth? Tak.
You are correct for the summer. But in the winter its quite a bit colder here than in the Algarve. I even had a few snowflakes this year near to Leiria🤪 Most important is that you have reliable heating.
Foreigners are buying overpriced "slum" houses in villages. You could done better deals before the liberalization of the housing market demanded by the EU/IMF bailout of 2011. The policy was to sell Portuguese real state and pretend Portugal was the new Florida. The prices skyrocket.
How much is the tax year on your main house. I’m trying lower price building. Perhaps u can help look because we’re coming over august anyway we can link uk and help with buying process?
our son's home was purchased for 145000 and he pays close to 4.500 in taxes...plus we have the HOA (hitlers midgets) telling you what u can and can not do in your own home...neighbors that are rats, noise with no control and the list goes on and on...Moving as fast as i can...I told my son to sell the house and get out of here...but i know he is not listening...
that's the value he said on the video, he showed the "finanças" paper where is informed the year tax. A different thing is the tax you pay when buying, plus registration.
Hi Jasper Very good info i'm in the process of buying a property in portugal central area .. out of the 5 you list i have done 1 and that one is got a lawyer so 1 out of 5 is not bad what could possibly go wrong lol,,
Why move to Portugal? Still in EU where they have sh*tty laws, even Portugueses want to leave their country (there are millions outside in another countries). Portugal is override with outsiders, and the list goes on... Just comw for tourism! You will regret otherwise!😅
Of course! All these “mistakes” is not just in Portugal, but anywhere! Of course you want to see the property, best initial investment you can make. A lot of parts of Portugal ownership has been transferred word of mouth for generations, nothing written/registered, hard to know what the actual property is.
Remenber that the value o IMI is not the value o the property at the market. Its a evaluation that the Tax Office made back then to calculate the tax that you pay each year. Normally if its an old property or house its not updated and its lower tax. New houses pay a lot of IMI, and remenber dont mess with Tax Office, if you dont oay the tax of IMi its a big problem and at the end you could lose the properties cars etc etc
Yeah... recently they sell you a rotten barn as a nice house in Portugal. It's all about making money and they are not scared to lie to you. Noticed a lot of video's about those sellers, and if 75% of the video is filled with nice olive trees and other greenery, instead of the building you now you are scammed.
You know, I was wondering if you had thought to put the word out for some volunteer helpers with all the work you have under way ... and here you are doing exactly that :D An excellent idea. In large part, you are doing in Portugal what I wanted to do here in England - find a long abandoned rural village and bring it back to life. But regulations and prices are not conducive to such fun dreams here I am sad to say.
Excellent video with sound advice. Love your clean and well organized workshop. Tell us did you get the parts of your home that weren't registered, registered? Is your gardener/cook one of the volunteers? I see people come and go but never know who they are.
Yes, Jan Van Riebeeck negotiated his way into South Africa, and we are still here after almost 400 years, and up until 120 years ago we still spoke dutch, and even 80 years ago our Bibles were also Dutch, my Grandfather who died 50 years ago spoke Dutch, now we speak Afrikaans.
I just hope the Portugeuse know that you are going to turn their country into little Holland and start your own version of Dutch, LOL! If you can do that ,I am sure many Afrikaners will go and live in your Little Holland. LOL!
Jasper je legt het weer heerlijk eerlijk uit. Ik volg je vanaf het begin. Dat je nog eens een uitzending deed samen met Melanie. Bied me nog een keer aan als vrijwilliger. Als het hier thuis wat minder hectisch is Groet Marco
Dankjewel voor deze video🙏wij zijn in het proces van ons huis verkopen in NL en dan met de camper naar Portugal te vertrekken...meerdere bergenaren zijn ons al voorgegaan😅Wij zijn al jaren aant wikken en wegen,maar nu de knoop doorgehakt!Hopelijk vinden we een mooi plekje in portugal en met deze tips komt het vast goed😅 ❤
Why buy? Just rent a place, do nothing on the house, invest nothing on it and enjoy life. When you are tired of it, move to another location and so on.😊
Because you want to own your own land and have your place? 😂 I've rented across the world plenty myself to experience places. But eventually you want to get A place. My idea is to acquire a few rent out when I don't use them. But my goal is freedom and nothing else, so doesn't align with everyone's goals
Great video, very useful info, thanks! I'm planing to buy land on the north. Could you please recommend there I can find info(perhaps in some of your videos) regarding the renovating the house: what parts(roof, floor, etc) of the house I can repair by my self(I have some construction experience) and for what I will have to(according to law) delegate to licensed professionals?
Well done for knowing that renovation of old buildings needs professional imput. To become a legal dwelling and sold as such I believe becomes a " project" therefore requires and architect and a structural engineer. I believe in some buildings it's possible to live and be classed as a barn but cannot be sold as a house later. The local council or "camera" will give you helpful advice and refer you to the local building regulation authority. Good luck, you need specialist advice from a qualified legal professional not really opinions like mine from strangers. My experience is from supporting a friend buy an old quinta, he's a very happy man, because he had the benefit of honest professionals, with a good local reputation. Several friends were conned by dishonest estate agents. Good luck
The "valor patrimonial" from the tax office is not related to the commercial price. The market is more volatile and subjective. The "valor patrimonial" is used to determine the tax you have to pay. I believe that what is essential is to hire a reliable and good real estate agent, because lawyers are not experts on real estate. As far as negotiation, it really depends a lot. A good professional that knows the market will help with the fair price. For sure, the best advice is getting to know where you want to go :) It does rain! Portugal is not a tropical country, and we do have a winter.
Can you get rid of the old house on the property you bought and replace it with a tiny house? Or do you need to buy empty land to have one? What are the chances of landing a tiny house on a Plot in Portugal? The houses in the villages look very old, I need to build my house in a rural area away from the old villages..
Rural lands that do not have a house built cannot be built. Rural lands are only for rural activity purposes, so it is necessary to know where rural and urban lands begin and end in order to have confirmation. And there is a difference, sometimes just a few meters separate what is rural from what is considered urban. Each parish has its own rules, including regarding modifications to facades. Practically few allow this possibility. In some, even the color of the roof is standardized. Any modification requires authorization and permission from the local council. The interior of the houses can be modified, but the exterior, such as facades, windows, and doors, must be modified with authorization. I don't know if this is true, but in some villages the council offers a subsidy of the cost of the material to be used on the facades, but only for painting. Another detail is that not all heirs are in Europe. Some are in Brazil, which is too far away and too expensive to travel to sign papers, and some are also old. These are all important issues to check.
@@GhostTownVlogs Care cup empty. You're not welcome. Just remember that when people pretend to tolerate your presence. And the Portuguese are very good at faking it.
