5 more Fighters Who *COULD* and *COULDNT* Defeat The Mountain Part 3/3 

Totally non biased suggestion, but I'd been keen to know who could defeat palpatine from star wars........... or you know, just someone that isn't thrones related.............. thrones, thrones........ ..everytime I look at our script folder...........THRONES 🥴 😂 Dayne is a good one though pal, though a hard mode challege, him and a young Selmy are basically untouchable

Mance Rayder

You still forgot a few combatants: Areo Hotah, Strong Belwas, Mind-controlled Hodor, Victarion Greyjoy, Lyn Corbray and of course Ser Robert Strong (wish we‘d know where that guy suddenly came from)

Little John from Robin hood. I think he takes the mountain down.

Have you done book brianne? its one of my favorites

Great comparison. Maelys tore his cousins head off with his bare hands 😂 Would love to see that story in live action!

True, but Barristan is also an old man, well past the prime of his physical peak, slower, weaker and with less stamina. Don’t get me wrong, he’s still a beast of a swordsman, an absolute legend. Just nerfed by age. So it would be interesting.

But being young men, gives you some advantages and i thought this all happened after he had rescued the mad king solo, from a fully manned castle ?

He wasn’t bigger than the mountain. No one was bigger than the mountain

might be a bit old in the books but yeah Bariston is absolutely top tier. The stuff he did is borderline phantastical

And we have a winner for our next joke suggestion in the inevitable future vid 😂😂 Thanks for watching Krom! Liam

They are *POWERFUL FRIENDS!*

​@@biraptor6205 and THEY WILL HEAR ABOUT THIS!!! 😂

​@@shifterversealso MARON FUCKING TRANT

😂😂😂 Too soon bro.

I think Ned had faith in Berrics command abilities and likely expected him to lead Gregor into a trap/killzone or overwhelm him with sheer numbers. Otherwise yeah, if I were Berric I would have been cursing Neds name all the way along the kings road 😂 thanks for watching! Liam

He was not going to do it alone do.

Then the poor bastard had to fight his brother lol

A smarter Ned would have chosen Ser Loras. If Loras wins then well done, if he doesn't then he unites the Tyrells against the Lannisters.

That's why Ned sent Beric with 100 men more than enough to dispatch who is with the Mountain with a figthing chance to kill him with whats ever left.

Supposedly he was also a match for Dayne, so long as they had equal arms. It was Daynes sword Dawn that gave him the slight edge according to GRRM. Thanks for watching Itamar! Liam

yep, he was completly overpowered and even as an old man he prob is the best fighter.

@@shifterverseDawn was made from a meteorite too

Maybe. In a fight without 1 mistake or surprise.

​@@dirkdiggler5581in every duel one mistake kills you even if its fuckin peasant against you

He was our first ever pick in our first vid. The Prince made a fool of the Mountain. Had he not needed that confession, that fight would have been over so much quicker! Thanks for watching! Liam

And it wasn't even close - he just let his anger get the better of him. I think that's the blueprint - fast and agile highly skilled fighters - I think Arya could do it!

he actually whooped mountains ass.. not even on same level as the viper lol ...

I mean technically in a fight to the death it ain't over until someone is dead so he didn't beat him on any technical level

Ser Author Dayne would easily beat the mountain imo 💯😤

As it does us 😂 Thanks for watching Brigo!

Yeah I want to see Greatjon Umber against the Mountain now. That fight never even occurred to me, but it would be a perfect and amazing match. Both men are giant beasts who can kill normal men with a single blow, so seeing them fight an opponent that is as massive as they are would be fun. Now throw in prime Robert Baratheon and you’d get a fight between giants that would probably shatter Westeros.

I dunno; Sure he's fought other warriors rather than...baby killing and Greatjon is surely smarter but Gregor is stronger.

​@@jeffreygao3956pure strength doesnt really matter that much. In an armed fight, it doesnt matter how much you can benchpress or deadlift.

@@ilsgrade8357 The Mountain's also better armored and has a tough shield that can slam enemies in the face.

Thanks Bloodraven! We enjoy discourse and friendly disagreement, but we also appreciate it when someone says "yeah you guys go that one right" 😂 Yeah that's Ramsey's main advantage, fear and a favourable premeditated setup. Don't get me wrong I think he would take the best weapons for can opening, like a hammer, mace or anti armour pole arm and I'm sure he'd cover himself head to toe in his creepy flayed man plate armour, but against a fellow psychopath/sociopath (well some form of anti social personality disorder anyway) his fear tactics are going to be met with indifference and we just don't think he has the fighting skill to carry the day. Getting past 6ft of sharp heavy steel, then a thick oaken shield to try and clonk Gregor on the head requires some serious agility, reflex and most importantly of all patience. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! Liam

Thankyou for reminding me about WWZ. Time to reread it again for the 5th

Mountain would be Ramsay's worst nightmare, 0 fear and 0 reason to be afraid.

@@sameveland8560 absolutely, there's strong evidence to suggest Gregor is potenially a clinical pyscopath, if that is the case he'll actually be incapable of having anything resembling a typical fear response, he'd look at Ramseys creepy flayed man armour and see nothing but a suit of armour

In the books Roose Bolton says Ramsay swings a sword the way a butcher chops meat… meaning Ramsay can’t fight for shit 😂

I heard it was pretty popular armour in the show! :p - thom

So Jon would do fine against the Mountain

​@@DerekiveryYeah Benjen would save him last second.

@@Derekivery i reckon even sansa would best him in 1v1, afterall holywood has to display "women power" probably beat him in arm wrestling aswell 😂

(Sigh) So much emphasis put on height/strength. Any skilled fighter with the right amount of speed and stamina could take out Gregor. The brute was wearing out after a few missed strikes.

Too true, he was our first pick in our first vid! Thanks for watching! Liam

No one with even a modicum of intelligence would consider that fight without extreme caution, even Bronn the Badass 😂 Thanks for watching! Liam

In a white room, I think the Mountain feeds him his balls. With things he can squirrel around, maybe.

He flat out refused because he didnt want to take the chance...

We think his main issue is getting the mountain to a point where he's tired enough to fall down. Without the reach advantage (and thus a way of incentivising Gregor to close the gap and do the chasing) Syrio will have to do an awful lot of work moving in and out of the Mountains reach, while Gregor can kind of just stand there and wait for Syrio to engage (something he couldn't do with Oberyn who had the reach advantage) There's also the mountains sheer endurance and will power to kill even when wounded (and fatally poisoned) to consider, if Syrio lunges and lands a thrust into a gap, he's also got to get back out of the way of the very likely retaliatory swipe or potential grab coming his way. On a skill level though we totally agree, Syrio trounces Gregor, he'd dance around him like he wasn't even there. We're just skeptical of his ability to finish Gregor off without also himself getting Oberyned 😂 Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts we appreciate it! Liam

@@shifterverse your arguments are fair against Syrio, but... You are kind of only paying attention to Syrio's weaknesses and playing the mountain as a monolith of swordsmanship. Gregor COULD stand there taking the hits and not exhaust him (although I don't think you understand how blood loss works, he'd get anemic after enough time passes and simply faint out, Syrio is the one character who could do the dance continually without failing, like... That's his whole thing) but it's unlikely that this temperamental guy who's known for lashing out at small stuff and go on rampages will keep his chill. As the combat moves forward, Gregor would become more and more reckless, giving Syrio more openings to hurt him.

@@leirumf5476 I don't personally think that Gregor is an amazing swordsman, though I do think people underestimate him as a big dumb brute, when the reality is he's a fully trained knight who's kind of supposed to be a subversion of the trope and a more realistic depiction of it. Though needless to say skill wise, Syrio has him licked. The issue I have with your argument (though I'll admit it's pretty well reasoned) is Syrio getting those wounds in. There's the plate, then the mail, then the gambeson (all much thicker than your average knights) to get through and before you even go for that wound you've got 6ft of great sword to get past and a massive oaken shield covering nearly one half of his body (at least with the book version and if the artwork is to be believed) Syrios most viable targets will be the back of the knees and the armpits (The least armoured areas) I reckon and I think where we might disagree is on whether or not Syrios fast enough to get at those spots without getting hit in return. The Mountain is said to be quicker than a man his size ought to be and while I know Syrio will point blank have greater agility I'm personally not sure if the gap is big enough for Syrio to prevent himself getting caught or maybe even grabbed, not when he goes for the poke, but when he goes to retreat. I will however concede to you that IF Syrio is fast enough, calm enough and sassy enough to frustrate Gregor into letting him have those openings. He could take it with a death by a thousand cuts strategy. Its that sword of Gregors that worries me the most. Rapiers can parry heavy swords contrary to popular belief, but they can also just as easily warp and break if hit hard enough many times in the right place. Though I doubt Syrio would be dumb enough to even contemplate crossing blades, likely just keeping distance and relying on evasion as his defence 😂

@@shifterverse The reasoning behind why Syrio could do the thousand cuts is similar to why Oberyn could land the one hit. While he relied on the reach of his weapon to land the hit safely, Syrio would be more than capable of crossing the gap and getting back to safety. Lets not forget that the one time we read of him fighting he was capable of both securing an escape for Arya while fighting a handful of men with a wooden sparring sword. So he definitely knows how to not get hit by swords while inflicting damage on opponents WHILE avoiding his sword from breaking WHILE keeping and securing enough ground.

@@leirumf5476 Yeah not going to lie, absolute badass moment for him. If your going to be shown fighting once, that's how you want to be depicted 😂

Exactly! This guy gets it! Thanks for watching Baoxidaoyu!

For sure Jerry 👍 its an extremely close run thing, out of all our picks, Loras is the one that would make The Mountain really work for it, and thats without assuming Loras will do something crafty. Thanks for watching! Liam

The horse was comprised though

Loras won in a joust. That's a different skill set from a melee fight to the death. Loras doesn't stand a chance.

Loras then IMMEDIATELY was destroyed by the Mountain and would have died if not for The Hound.

@@mattdouglas1050 What makes the Mountain really hard to beat is the amount of physical damage he can take and then recover in an instant to deliver a killing blow next moment just shocks people The guy fell of the horse that was in full speed wearing a really heavy full Armour just got up and killed the horse with one blow, a man that big would have suffered serious spinal injuries irl Same happened at Battle of Green Fork when his horse tripped and fell before the Northerners Spear Wall, Tyrion thought the Mountain is down and may be out, but he just got up unscracthed from beneath the horse and fought the entire battle

Very true Amardeep! It's not landing a blow that's hard, its getting out of the way of Gregor when he powers through the pain to swipe at you or grab you. Our sweet Prince learned that the hard way.Thanks for watching! Liam

Also his insane reach (wields a Greatsword with one hand), his armor is so thick that it has to be custom made for him, I forget if Bronn says "he's surprisingly quick for a man of that size" in the books like he did in the show, but if so there's that too lol

@@KROGANLovesKittensAndPuppies books pile it on even further Krogan by actually having stated that Gregor has good warrior instincts ( basically good fight IQ) and is actually somewhat skilled in all things knighty

As Bronn said, it's possible but he's shockingly quick for a big fellow

It's called "Plot Armor". You'd be amazed at how good it is. Barney Fife could put it on and solo the Mountain with one hand and a leg tied behind his back.

Well said, swords aren't really optimal anti armour weapons in general with the Estoc/Tuck been a rare exception. Some manuals show the best way to leverage a long sword against armour is to turn it around and use it like a hammer, the move is called the "murder stroke" which is pretty badass 😂 Rapiers didn't really see much use vs armour and were certainly not intended for armour like some people state, they were designed with civilian duelling in mind, their original name Espada Ropera literally translates to Robe/Dress Sword. The point about gaps is valid as a fine thrust point is going to fit in smaller gaps, but yeah even if Syrio gets into a gap he's then got to get through mail and gambeson. Moral of the story, don't take a sword against armour unless you have no choice. Give me a nice hammer or polearm any day! Thanks for watching! Liam

@@shifterverse at best Rapiers can handle a chainmail shirt.

@@davidlewis5312 Very true, against plate, its practically useless. The gaps are your only hope and good luck getting to them if your opponent is even reasonably competent 😂

I hear that blunt weapons aren't that great against plate unless you get your opponent in the head. Anything else is unlikely to do serious damage. Pretty good for cavalry as you can crunch down on infantry. Swords are still reasonable if you can find a gap whilst stabbing. They are however more likely to get stuck than a blunt weapon. A polearm that can pierce or chop would be nice, with a pointy dagger for close work.

The problem is that the knight knows you are going to try and stab him in the face, so he's just going to bat the rapier away and then stab you. You would need a thicker sword you use wrestle with the knight and then shove the point through his visor. Fghts with armor are more like MMA matches than fencing matches. You need to grapple your opponent. Which is why in real life, the only characters who could beat the mountain would be people who were almost as strong as him. You don't need to be as freakish huge, but for instance Jamie Lannister would have to be jacked. Knights were all big dudes, they were basically the nfl players of their day.

To many comments we had to answer. Especially Selmy! 😂😂

Thanks Jeremy comments like this motivate us to keep trying to squeeze blood from this stone until our hands bleed because we dare not try anything new or orginal😂 but in seriousness comments like this make our day! Thanks for watching! Liam

@@shifterverseNo problem. Happy to do so 😊

Was it as a fighter he respected him? Or as a commander? I can't remember its been a while since I read the books. Won't disagree though, when you can bring fear and respect with a dumb sounding name like blackfish, the person behind that name must be pretty fierce. Thanks for watching! Liam

@@shifterverseI believe the Blackfish is described as a legendary swordsman in the books. If I remember when Jaime heard of his death he expresses his respect for him.

Jamie looked up to the blackfish as a teenager because He was a cool wayward guy who could mix in with great warriors but was suarve and coarse on top of it opposed to Barristan who squired him being the straighty 180 party police type of guy that no one wants to be around. Blackfish was like the swearing whoring uncle that all the kids think are pretty cool and their parents told them to steer clear of. He was Bobby b in fish clad armour

And Tully's unlike the show are described as big brawny coarse men who have jagged voices and big thick robust chins n shit, to Jamie being a little poncy lannister would've thought that was cool as hell and the blackfish prob gave him a wink and poked fun at Tywin infront of him when he was a kid I bet lol, like Aemond towards Daemon he just loves the rebel

@@choke9270dawg you know you’re completely waffling, the blackfish isn’t even dead in the books

The Hound was honoured enough to be in our first vid Moviegeek, you can find it here on the channel if your interested. He's one of the absolute safest bets you could possibly make on beating then monster. Thanks for watching! Liam

He did beat the mountain…

The mountain is kinda slow

We see a water dancer in the pits of Mereen, most definitely a rapier inspired sword he uses :p a few people have suggested the Estoc/Tuck, its a good shout and certainly doesn't hurt Syrios chances but that sword was designed with the user also been armoured in mind. It takes dedicated effort to drive even a thrust centric sword through a gap in plate armour (there's still the mail and gambeson to get through and to make it worse Gregors will be much thicker than your average knights) our doubt isn't Syrio landing his shot, its him successfully retreating when the retaliation arrives, 6ft of greatsword is quite a big kill zone and we know gregor is much quicker than he looks. Thanks for watching! Liam

Aha yeah. Gotta give props to Liam on that play on words 😂 - Thom

Let’s hope his aim is on point… 😂 - Thom

Good suggestion on the skill front! I'm a little worried about his lack of armour though, one mistake and Mance is going to be in two halves lol. I can't remember how quick he is in the books? You need some pretty good speed and agility if your going against the beast without substantial armour. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! Liam

Beating a 15 year old with no real battle experience is not the best feat ever, but if i am not wrong, he killed every person who challenged him for the position of king beyond the wall which is pretty impressive

Mance isnt much of a fighter as is Jon. Show Jon was portrait as a very strong fighter but when you look at book Jon he is surely castle trained and has some experience but nothing special.

@@Seelenverheizer id have to agree, its why we put Jon down as a can't in p2. Jon is good, maybe even mildly talented but nothing exceptional by a long stretch

I love that moment 😂😂

Aye Travis that tank level armour definitely does a good 60-70% of work for Gregor, he can attack with near impunity with it. Take that armour away and nearly all of our can'ts would make quite short work of him! Thanks for watching! Liam

Very true. You could be the strongest man alive, but a femoral artery cut is a femoral artery cut

Even a broad bladed rapier presents the same challenges for Syrio vs Gregors plate. Rapiers in general just aren't made with facing armour in mind. The speed and accuracy required in the lunge to get it into a gap is absolutely insane, especially when those joints and openings are fighting back. Regarding Ramsey, you make some good points, though I don't think anyone would have anticipated the Vale showing up, they didn't come down and fight for Rob or get involved in the war of the 5 kings whatsoever. Thanks for watching! Liam

​@@shifterverseYou are making a mistake though. The Estoc is a Rapier specifically designed for fighting Armored Opponents and piercing armor.

Loosing Arrows into a scrum with your own men in the way has happened a few times though in History. Usually a desperate last measure though. In Fiction though, It all depends on the Culture of the Warriors. It's entirely plausible that Men that know the other ways Ramsey could have you killed wouldn't think twice about it. Would you rather be flayed or maybe take an Arrow? I could see it as a very plausible tactic when fighting a battle with "allies" that are the "enemy of my enemy" types. If you and I both hate each other but we got a shared threat and thus are forced to work together, I don't particularly care if I hit you as long as I'm also hitting them. Cannon Fodder is a real thing.

@@justinlast2lastharder749 Which is fine, but nowhere does it say Syrio wields a rapier, let alone a specialised anti armour one. That was us been as kind as possible based on the description of water dancing swords. We actually see a water dancer in the fighting pits of Mereen and while his blade takes inspiration from the rapier, its shorter and most certainly not an Estoc. Even if you give Syrio an Estoc, he still has the issue of reach, leverage and the fact he's unarmoured to contend with (The Estoc was designed as a battlefield weapon with the wielder also been armoured with plate in mind) . You can't agility lunge a one handed thrust oriented sword into armour gaps and then immediately retreat like you can with unarmoured fencing. It takes some dedicated commitment to get a sword through both mail and Gambeson (and that's assuming he's targeting an unarmoured spot, if he targets a joint he's also got to pry through that). Then we also can't forget everything The Mountain wears is much thicker than standard, meaning even more effort to get through. Even an Estoc has got to be driven through to wound and that's where Syrio runs into trouble. Gregor was capable of powering through several bee sting wounds (The type Syrio would be capable of inflicting) and a spear in his gut to kill Oberyn. Our issue isn't Syrio finding his mark, its him been able to drive it through and then get back to a safe distance when the inevitable retaliation arrives. Oberyn could do this because he had 8ft of reach with his spear (in the books) that's a 2ft reach advantage on Gregor's 6ft greatsword. Even if you give Syrio the longest possible Rapier/Estoc (before it becomes unwieldy for a man of his height at least) he's at best got about 3.75 ft of reach, putting him in the kill zone every time he wants to try to take a poke. You can give Syrio a specialised sword, but even with that his tool kit just isn't optimal to fight what is essentially a human tank. I wanted to put him on the can list, but after consulting associates who are dedicated HEMA practitioners, they argued me into the ground on why it just isn't remotely favourable for our favourite Bravossi.

We have many more on our channel! 😂 - Thom

Thanks Patrick, we aim to please, doesn't always work out like that, but still thats our aim 😂😂

Oh we know he was quite the duelist, we see it first hand when he schools armoured knights without a proper sword. Its his equipment that plays against him. Even a broad bladed war rapier (and that is best case scenario, they might use small swords for all we know) doesn't play amazing well against full plate armour. Combined with the reach difference between the two and Syrio is in a lot of trouble. Thanks for watching! Liam

There were also specialized anti armor plate long swords historically

He was our number 1 pick in our first vid. One clonk of that hammer and the Mountain would be given a forever nap. Thanks for watching squeaky! Liam

​@@shifterverseIt'd take more than one hit from Robert to take down the mountain. Even if it's Robert from the books. The mountain in his armour is on another level of durability. Rhaegar was only 5'11 and much smaller than Robert which played a big role in him beating him. I'd say Robert's fighting style was also not apt to go against the mountain who could easily beat him at his own game by using his own immense size and strength to win. Still I think if Robert could disarm the mountain he might be able to get in a few good hits in gregors weak spots. Maybe land a haymaker on his arm to break some bones. I think Robert would win if he fought accordingly but it certainly won't be easy.

​@@KingSlayer_.Robert was also one of the strongest men alive in his time which with a Warhammer would actually make short work of Gregor's armor since Warhammers are specifically designed for fighting plate armored opponents

Robert might have been a fool as a king. But he was a legendary warrior, one of the greatest to ever grace a battlefield in the GoT universe. Not only did he possess monstrous strenght, but his skill with the warhammer was unmatched. He did not rely on his strenght alone, his skill was formidable. He was fearless, but not careless. I strongly believe that Robert could've obliterated the Mountain, since his warhammer is designed to fight plate armored enemies, which would've played into his hands a lot.

Gods he was strong then

Too OP for the Mountain that Skipper! 😂😂

This is the most criminally underrated comment ever.

with and ONLY with the main character buff combined with his destiny as the prince who was promised does he stand a chance 😂 bit like how Anakin couldn't possibly lose to Sidious, despite on a skill level that fight been hopelessly one sided. We did address Jon in P2. Thanks for watching MrWeirdo! Liam

He is not MC, GRRM is a sick bastard and evil. Honestly, GRRM's main character was Cersei, the most evil bitch in the show. S8 ending was decided as per GRRM, thats why the bastard not releasing his book.

Which is why he was our number 1 pick in P1 😂 Bobby B would finish the mountain quickest of the lot, one clonk of that hammer and its night night gregor 😂 thanks for watching! Liam

Ppl also forget that Warhammers are made for beating ppl in plate armor.. if you have a sword you are not getting thru plate armor, only at the neck and under the arm, which would be extremely hard against a great warrior such as Robert. His wounds from Rhaegar always puzzled me. Where were they? How did it happen??

@@coldhands2802 There are ways of utilising a sword vs plate, I think there is a move in one of the old manuels called "the murder stroke" where you essentially turn your sword around and use the crossguard like a hammer which i suppose backs up your point 😂 other than that you are correct though, its ethier thursting into the gaps or getting the point in a joint and hoping you can pry it open somehow. Greatswords can also be effective providing its reasonably heavy and used more like a club and the raw concussive force can transfer through the layers. I too wonder where Bobby was wounded. Maybe his arm pit? One final defiant thrust from the dragon before having his chest caved in?

@@coldhands2802 Fantasy generally over-uses swords, no matter how 'realistic' the setting - they were pretty uncommon in actual combat by the era of what amounts to GoT's tech level. That being said, a sword is still basically a long slap of iron. And if it's the Mountain swinging that iron-stick you're not just getting away with a concussion or a broken rib - a straight hit and you're wrecked, armor or not

@@minnumseerrund Very ture! Most fantasy touts them as a primary weapon for a knight when in reality they are the equivalent of a pistol/sidearm. Handy if you've got nothing else to hand or in civilian circumstances, but not quite as battlefield capable as a polearm.

Glad you enjoy them! And thanks for the thoughtful reply!! You watching UFC 293 this weekend? 😂

@@TheFandomeClips Yup, won't miss it. I don't give Strickland much of a shot. He won't outpoint Izzy, and Izzy's chin is far too solid for Strickland's casual grinder no-risk style. Strickland is what I call a comfort fighter. You need the opposite for Izzy. I'm more looking forward to Tai VS Volkov. That's the main event for me.

Thanks Dude comments like this honestly make our day! People sleep on The Mountain and write him off as a big dumb slow brute without realising he's the subversion and realistic depiction of that very trope. He's actually well trained and has good fighting instincts to pair with his size and strength. The guy who beat him wasn't just one of the best, he was likely the greatest overall fighter alive at that point with prodigy levels of skill and intelligence, and even he was cautious as hell 😂😂 Thanks for watching! Liam

@@shifterverse Yeah that's why I love The Mountain as a character too. He isn't a big dumb brute. He's a big, cunning, relatively skilled, surprisingly fast brute who plays to his own strengths extremely well and has surprising fight IQ.

Brienne wouldn't win just based on how she did against The Hound who I would argue was holding back or disadvantaged.

Bobby B was our number 1 pick in our first vid on this topic. One clonk of that hammer and Gregor gets to take a forever nap 😂

We touched on Arthur in our first Vid, he'd take victory quite easily. When the finest swordsman ever thinks your the finest swordsman ever, you know your pretty up there as a swordsman 😂 We may get to HOTD vs the mountain at some point, everything I've seen and read of daemon so far leads me to think he would beat Gregor quite handily. Duncan seems capable of it. As for Victarion, we're kind of split and haven't made up our minds. Hes fierce thats for sure, but is he patient enough to outlast Gregor? Thanks for watching! Liam

​@@shifterverseVictarion is basicly just the mountain but worse so i think he would lose

@@disguisedcat1000 Nah, Victarion would just need to transform into a stump and tank the Mountain’s blows

@@warlordofbritannia 😂😂

​@@shifterverseI strongly disagree about Daemon. He was getting seriously hurt fighting a few afflicted peasant guerilla fighters.

See we thought that, yet both Tywin and Cersei saw fit to offer him (A jumped up sellsword and little more than scum in their eyes) a wife and a castle to bribe him into not standing for his little friend. Even they thought he had enough of a chance that they thought it best to stamp out the possibility of him even trying. If they knew he knew he couldn't beat him, why go to all that trouble. Better to let Tyrion have him as champion and guarantee his loss fairly than risking someone more competent take his place (which ended up happening) Thanks for watching! Liam

If I recall correctly Bron from the book, he himself stated that while it technically might be possible with luck, even the slightest slip up would lead into his death. He said that Mountain is freakishly fast for a man his size. So he figured, why chance it at all, since he got better offer for NOT fighting anyways

He never said he can’t. He said he won’t take the chance. He is the 1 fighter I trust the most to take down the mountain because of everyone he is completely honest about what 1 fuck results in and won’t make the mistake oberyn did by fucking around..

I think there's about a foots difference in them Rusty, not so much just as big, but in the same league size and strength wise as Greatjon is also built like a brickshit house just like Gregor. I'd still favour Gregor for strength, but I don't think Greatjon is so far behind he can't keep up, and then his experience and skill kind of tip it for him. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! Liam

The mountain is basically mongo from blazing saddles. Don’t use a gun, it’ll just make him mad.

We always assume it's a trial by combat with an exploitable environment like we see in the show (like furniture and potential human shields) but not any unfavourable weather conditions. Otherwise you can open up a big can of worms (A lightly armoured fighter will probably fair better in an extremely hot arid environment if they can outlast their opponent ect...) Thanks for watching Aleksi!

I still wouldn't want to fight that crazy old bastrd 😂

@@shifterverse- yeah he laughed off a wolf biting off a couple of his fingers.

@@andrewward5891 Exactly, imagine what actually pissing that guy off looks like 😂😂

When we said "for now" that was the direction we were leaning ;) Thanks for watching! Liam

The LOTR fighters are significantly stronger than anyone in the GOT verse though. They fight off magical beings and actual giant monsters very consistently while creatures like Giants and Dragons in the GOT can easily take on dozens to hundreds of warriors at once

Good points. GRRM did say though that Jamie Lannister was a better swordsman than Aragorn though. Definitely not a great comparison though considering how they treat things 😂 - Thom

@@TheFandomeClips Well, I dunno, Aragorn has more experience than Barristan had years of life, and IIRC, he fought and won against actual trolls, and they dwarf even The Mountain...

@@sinistertwister686 Trolls in fantasy are rarely trained warriors, same with all the creatures really. The only seemingly trained warriors in LOTR are Nazguls, Uruk Hai and Orc to an extent. Anyone from GoT would be able to adapt to a world with creatures like these. That's the great thing about most fantasy warriors, their ability to overcome these enemies despite just being human.

We actually see a water dancer in the fighting pits of Mereen. It's most definitely a rapier inspired sword he's wielding. You are right though, the Estoc/Tuck was a long sword designed for prying into armoured gaps. Though it was designed with the user also been armoured in mind since it was a battlefield weapon. Thanks for watching! Liam

We see a water dancer in the pits of Mereen (and this was when GRRM was consulting on the show) it was most definitely a rapier inspired sword he was using not an Estoc. Even an Estoc has the same issues as a standard Rapier, its just more sturdy in the thrust. Its also a battlefield weapon and is designed with the user also been fully armoured in mind. Thanks for watching! Liam

We'll address that when we redo our "how the Lannisters could have won the GOT" vid Alan. Thanks for watching! Liam

But the short answer is just that no matter what he just wouldn’t lol

It wouldn´t matter. He still wouldn´t have a chance in a 1v1 against the mountain.

Absolutely. Reach is such an advantage. Look at Oberyn, one of the greatest fighters alive at the time. He didn't even chance it and took 8ft of reach to ensure he had that advantage!

Maybe Robert was super strong when he was young n he diff have more combat against trian fighters. If he doesn't win he give him a run for his money

He was our top pick in our first vid. One good clonk with that hammer is all it would take. He was supposedly inhumanly strong and insanely fast. He trash Gregor worse than Oberyn did in our opinion! Thanks for watching! Liam

Sandoq would be one of the few people in the whole ASOIF universe that could legitimately frighten the Mountain (Who displays the markers that he's potentially a psychopath with a highly supressed fear response) 😂 Ramsey isn't beating The Mountain without some serious pre battle sabotage which he's capable of, but we don't think it's fair to consider that in a trial by combat scenario, especially since the Lannisters would likely keep him somewhere safe before the fight. Thanks for watching! Liam

Precisely Kryzzan! He's not a pushover at all and has to be approached with caution. Even one of the greatest warriors around at the time played it very very safe to get his win. Thanks for watching! Liam

That's the issue really. Syrio would certainly make Gregor look foolish, but he wouldn't be able to finish The Mountain off. Generally historically (not always but most of the time) a thin dainty blade (Usually a dagger) defeated full plate armour because one knight would wrestle the other to the ground and stab through the visor or wedge it into joints or the few parts of the body that were unarmoured like the armpits. Too big of a size gap I think for Syrio to do any wresting 😂 Thanks for watching! Liam

I find it to be a rather flawed assumption that Syrio of all people is going to take a rapier into a fight against the mountain. The first sword of Braavos is chosen for their cunning and tactics as much as their sword fighting ability. It's definitely not something you can say definitively but I find it very likely that Syrio is well versed in quite a few weapons with reach that he could have been able to utilize against the mountain and he would have come into the fight with a very similar plan of attack to the viper. I believe he would do whatever it takes to win. You don't become the first sword of braavos and have no ability to counter long swords and plate. In no way is it a sure thing, but im saying its a coin flip.

@@kcl5038 absolutely dude, we just didn't want to speculate and make assumptions, we know he's a swordsman and we know his chosen sword is some kind of rapierish weapon (Rapier is best case scenario too, could be a small sword for all we know) All these fighters could surprise us given prep, but we have to go with what we know about them

I think its more their archery and mobility on an open field that Robert feared and most of all their unity. Its only in the show but that scene where he explains the difference between 5 and 1 really sells me on his mentality regarding them and his own forces. But your right, they aren't an insurmountable threat in the slightest. Thanks for watching! Liam

Honestly any horse nation in real life smokes the Dodraki, it just shows how little the author actially knows about real horse nations.

For the same reason people feared the Mongols. They are shit for siege, but in an open battle they’re fast and unstoppable with tremendous reach and even mounted archery at their disposal, which no Westerosi culture has. They could take over bountiful villages as well and block off economic routes without even having to attack a single castle.

My guess is that the plan was never for the Dothraki to be Viserys' only army. It was jut an army that could raid towns, strike at the food supply, and thus starve people out. Which would keep the Targaryens as a legit contender for the throne. Then they hoped that other Westerosi would back the true Targaryen ruler.

Because they are literally stated to be mounted archers

Absolutely Hurnn. We see the noble bastard fight when he's old, I absolutely dread what he would have been like in his youth.

The show just ruined his depiction which was a stupid decision

We're only poking a bit of fun. His show depiction left me and Thom with a bit of a bitter taste after all the simping. He's definitely not someone to mess with, beating Daemon in single combat is an acolayde many would love to claim and we think Daemon would smoke the Mountain. Thanks for watching guys! Liam

For sure. From what we read in Fire&Blood He seems to be on a similar skill level as Jaime

Who's we? I like Crispy.

@@TheStraightestWhitest I think most people who have read the books do (Including us at the Fandome) it's his show depiction that gets a little more bi polar of a reaction. One side of him is this skilled and by westerosi standards honourable knight who is so far the only guy to beat everyone's favourite character Daemon. On the other he's a whiny petty bitch who can't get over that he wasn't the rightful queens choice. We just stuck him in at the end to poke a bit of fun and bait out that maybe we hadn't listened for a third time at everyone saying Barristan.

Your welcome Billy! Yeah its kind of like comparing a quick draw champion against a member of the SAS. In a one on one open ground duel? Sure I'm backing the quick draw champ. In a battle where its an SAS squad against a squad of quick draw champs, I'm backing the guys who dare and win EVERY SINGLE time 😂 Thanks for watching Billy! Liam

@@shifterverse Apt comparison.

Thanks Stoic Waziri! We appreciate it!

I think that was just what they had to hand in the capital. We do see a water dancer in the pits of mereen and while its not as long as it should be, its most definitely a rapier hes using. While I'd rather hang than get into a fight with the Mountain, arming sword is a good shout in a duel if I can pair it with a decent shield. Thanks for watching! Liam

Thats if Guts even saw it as worth the effort, dude fights demons from hell on a daily basis and kicks their ass 😂 thanks for watching! Liam

100000000% Jenss. Even the actor was quite disgusted with the way they killed him off. He had so much more to give as a character. I would have rather he'd die of old age like maester Aemon. Let him go out undefeated and maintaining his status as the paragon of knighthood he represented! Thanks for watching! Liam

Thanks Roentgen. Yeah the reach difference alone is a massive factor. 8ft can keep you out of Gregors 6ft kill zone, can't say the same for Syrios 3.5ft of rapier. Thanks for watching! Liam

We don't really know how good Ned was, he's merely speculated to be above average. However, to not die immediately to Dayne (Called the greatest swordsman ever by the greatest swordsman ever) requires some well above average skill and fighting instincts, even with back up. He also (show version only) acquitted himself against Jaime fairly decently (Though not even the most die hard Ned fan could say he had the upper hand) He grew up with and trained with Bobby B (maybe the greatest warrior of his era) and some of that might have rubbed off on Ned and Selmy (in the show) compliments Neds skill and prowess. So it could all be humility on Neds part. Ice does lend a certain degree of levelling the playing field, helps with reach, more manuverable than standard steel and obviously some degree of magical-ness to the blade. I think I'd put Ned in a similar camp to Loras, I wouldn't count him out, but I wouldn't put my dragons on him 😂😂 Thanks for watching and the suggestion Guiness! Liam

@@shifterverse I agree with most of what you are saying, but as far as how good Ned was, he was a very accomplished warrior / general in Robert's rebellion where he won many battles and even lifted the siege of Storms End. That experience combined with his ability to hold his own against Dayne (as a younger fighter) and Jamie (as an older man) lead me to believe the Mountain would not just run through Ned. I also think Ned was a humble person and believe Selmy legitimately was aware of how good a fighter Ned was. So I would consider Ned to be an upgraded version of Garlan Tyrell (whom you thought could beat the Mountain), but would still favor the Mountain with his size, strength and brutality, but a Ned victory would not surprise me. I may just throw a dragon on the Lord of Winterfell lol.

@@guiness1100 Ned is a petty good fighter but the mountain is complete freak show and i think a normal strong fighter has a bad matchup against him.

I said this last round. With Ice, he'd have a bigger advantage than most against the Mountains armor. I think that scene with Barristan shows he has that same quality as Brown of knowing exactly how good he is and isn't. I think he's the "light" version of Bobby B from the previous video. Not quite as good as fighting, Ice is probably marginally less useful against plate than the warhammer Bobby uses, but I still think he could pull through. Better than even odds, at least. Sure one screw up and he's done, but most of these situations fall into that category. As you said, he at least lived through a fight with Arthur Dayne, which a whole lot of other people didn't, no matter how much help they had.

Still think, the Hound!!!! He wasa brutal warrior, and showed a kind side to Area at the end of the series, but he was on a mission the whole damn series!!!!°°

Oh for sure he's bloody good, thats why we said its so much closer than people might think. Out of our picks for those that we think can't, Loras is the one Greg's really going to have to work for. Thanks for watching! Liam

Thanks Spadinner! Thats the issue really, while there is some cross over of skills, its two totally different scenarios. But like pitting a quick draw champ against a member of the SAS, in a duel my money would be on the champ, in a squad vs squad engagement on the battlefield id be backing the SAS all day! Thanks for watching! Liam

We addressed faceless men in our second vid Magister! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RfCELMiWfII.html

See we kind of thought the same. But something we came to realise is that Cersei/Tywin saw fit to bribe Bronn to prevent him taking the fight, arranging a marriage and lordship is quite a bit of effort, especially for a jumped up sellsword. So even Cersei and Tywin thought Bronn had it in him to do it. Hes on the bottom end of our fighters who can, but we think there is a hefty enough amount of dirt going in Gregors eyes to give Bronn the edge. Thanks for watching! Liam

I agree with all except Brienne.

Syrio was chosen to train Arya because she favored a sword like Needle, and that's not a sword you'd half sword with. In theory, I see your argument but I've also seen sabers and rapiers break mid combat (and had one broken on me). All it would take is a bad thrust that misses as joint and hits a plate or to have Gregor pinch the blade between the plates it stuck in and suddenly Syrio is disarmed

@@lilithhawke1028 i doubt "you dont do that with that kind of sword" is an argument in a life or death situation, you can half sword with a damn butter knife if your life depends on it. and while the benefits are smaller then with an armingsword or even a long sword they are still there, also i dont think syrio was chosen because of the type of weapon, i mean the practice swords HE BROUGHT didnt look like a rapier, small sword or anything like that, i imagine he was chosen because his style relies more on flexibility and agility rather then strength and seeing as arya is a little girl at the time it seems reasonable to argue that training her in a sword style that relies more on those things gives better results then a style who relies more on strength, if it was purely because of the type of weapon syrio wouldve brought practice swords that reflect either the favored weapon of himself or arya, and the swords look nothing like needle and look more like arming swords meaning something like an arming sword could very well be syrio's favored weapon. also i said from the beginning i wasnt saying its a guaranteed win for syrio but he defenitly has an above fair chance to win or a get a draw

The issue is the accuracy, speed and luck needed to make such a lunge and not be beheaded or bisected as a result is insane. I also don't think half swording is a good idea when the reach difference is already as massive as it is, you want as much distance as possible between you and that sweeper of a sword Gregor uses. There's also Gregors shield to consider, its massive and a big defence redundancy to bypass just to get a shot at the armour joints and openings. We think Syrio would make Gregor look very silly, been danced around and unable to land a blow on our favourite Bravossii, but we just don't think Syrio (with his standard arms) has got anything fight ending of his own. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts guys! Liam

What won the fight for the Viper was him dodging the Mountains attacks until he was tired and opened his back.. I think syrio would beat him for the same reason.

@@incitatus953 its a reasonable argument, but there is a difference between 8ft of reach with a spear and 3.75 ft of rapier style sword (and thats the absolute longest a man of Syrios stature can utilise before it becomes too unwieldy) one keeps you at a safe distance to take your shots and the other forces you to come into the kill zone of a 6ft long greatsword and a giant who can bear hug your to death We all saw what happened when Oberyn got too close and that was after the Mountain had a poisoned spear broken off in his gut, he just powered straight through the pain. Without a weapon with the reach advantage, Gregor has no incentive to do any chasing ethier, Syrios got to come to him, making the cat and mouse game harder (though Syrio is a witty bastard, wouldn't put it past him to have a few good burns in the chamber to rile the mountain up) We don't put it past Syrio to land some hits, we just don't put it past Gregor to grab and crush Syrio when he tries to do something fight ending. Like we said in the vid we think Syrio can dance around the Mountain all day, we just don't think he can land that kill shot without been killed himself.

In a battlefield scenario I 100 percent agree with you, dude could have given legolas a run for his money 😂 he'd plant a few right in Gregors neck and one in the visor for good measure. Then Berric would look at him bewildered and say "that still only counts as one!" 😂 thanks for watching! Liam

Pretty much! Gregs got some skills beyond just his strength, but it's his size that pushes him from a decent fighter into a top tier one. Without that advantage, he's just a slightly above average fighter! Thanks for watching! Liam

Seeing how Brienne did against an extremely famished, infected, weakened, disadvantaged Hound, and how she almost died to like six Bolton men saving Sansa and Theon, she'd get destroyed by The Mountain.

I think Brianne would get wrecked. I also don't think the Greatjon could beat Clegane. He's basically just an older, smaller version of the Mountain.

@@Edmures_rampant_manhood He is older and smaller, but not too old and not too small. Greatjon is 7ft even and has the strength of eight men. The Mountain is 8ft even and has the strength of ten men. That is a great physical disparity, but nothing that cannot be circumvented with skill when it comes to bladed weaponry. And the Greatjon, unlike The Mountain, is a highly skilled fighter with a ton of cunning. The Mountain isn't unskilled and he isn't stupid, but the Greatjon is legit a supreme fighter. Jaime himself recognizes him as one of the few men who could potentially beat him, and Jaime was known to be the greatest swordsman of his time, only knowing equals in Barristan and Arthur Dayne throughout time.

@@TheStraightestWhitest I don't remember the Greatjon ever being described as a supremely skilled fighter. I could be wrong though, it's been a while since I've read the books or watched the early seasons of the show. I think people tend to almost discount size and strength because it looks cooler if a smaller person beats a bigger person. I've seen a lot of fights in my life (not with swords lol) and despite Hollywood notions, brute strength usually wins.

"Who could defeat Victarion" would be a better topic. He's a monster that's been engaged in way more actual combat than any knights of westeros and he's tricked out in legendary equipment.

3 or 4 unsullied could probably beat the Mountain. An unsullied shield wall can defeat even a charge by mounted Dothraki. And the unsullied are experts at spears which we know are a problem for the Mountain.

Issue we have with Belwas Aaron is his code of conduct. He's got an obsession with letting his opponents cut him once before he takes them down. One cut from the Mountain would likely leave Belwas bisected 😂😂 if he's willing to throw that tradition out of the window, wear some armour and pick a longer weapon, I certainly wouldn't put it past Belwas the beast to mess Gregor up! Thanks for watching! Liam

@shifterverse true but he was able to avoid a Lance only letting it graze him. When truly he probably should have been impaled.

@@aaronforsythe8556 That is a good point. Like Gregor himself, Belwas is quicker than a man his size ought to be. Other issue is how he deals with The Mountains armour. He'll need to be given a can opener of a weapon.

@shifterverse yeah that is the bigger issue. The sword he uses wouldn't be particularly good against heavy armor

@@aaronforsythe8556 Yeah, not many swords are good vs Armour to be honest. Greatswords can be effective if you can put the force and weight of the weapon in the right place like the opponents head. Longswords with a relatively thin point can also get the job done if you can get it into armour joints, eye slits or armpits, but not an easy prospect. But swords as a whole are crap vs armour. We need to give Belwas a nice heavy axe or hammer. something with some weight to it so he can give Gregors migraines a helping hand 😂😂 If both were unarmoured though I'd give it to Belwas every time.

Haha this horse won't die no matter how hard we beat it 😂 Thanks for the suggestion Felix! Liam

Criston cole should be able to beat him although with some difficulty. We haven’t seen yet him but Cregan stark may be able to given how well he did against Aemon the dragon knight

Criston

Caraxes

Ser Criston, and Cregan Stark (though he isn't in the show yet)

And Yours.... :p - Thom

Most of these are either in Part 1 or 2 😂

@@TheFandomeClips yeah, spoke too soon. The only one I cannot find is Hotah.

This comment has actually inspired us to do a video on that Mark 😂 Thanks for watching! Liam

@@shifterverse gosh now I to check RU-vid every hour until it’s finally uploaded haha

@@marksheen4873 might be a couple of weeks pal, we're still extremely late on the Tyrell vid that we promised after the Stannis one 😂 but its on the list, pretty neat idea to be honest!