5 Of The Same Symmetrical Bowling Ball | 5 Different Layouts | 5 Different Reactions? 

Good information and data. I think for most the midlane difference is a visual feeling and some are just more comfortable with a certain appearance. For me, I've been bowling horrible of recent and layouts don't much matter. I've bowled just sport shots and it's more about having the right ball more than anything feels like.

Much appreciate the effort made to make this video. Helps put pin layout in the proper perspective.

Great info. I like the end comments. My daughter is a true example of what can happen at Jr. Gold. No one knew of her but got noticed just by being there (she was not a superstar but her lane presence got her noticed). She got offered 5 scholarships and eventually chose a college to further her education. The comments are so true and hit home for us.

Great fill in info for people trying to decide what layouts are available for their upcoming new ball. Great lesson indeed.

Great video gives me a lot to think of and what crazy revs he has..I was wondering what if he moved 1 board to the right to strike but I really enjoy your videos and your products are great. Wow the 90x ball hook for being a straight ball by no#

that was very informative and helpful it appeared a pin down and a short pin while not the same are similar in early hook and roll

Such great info, and clear and consice. Now I gotta learn symmetric to asymmetric.

Just got this for my recommendation and now I know why I only clip the finger holes on my pin under ball.

great information, the biggest thing I take away is that you must be consistent in your shot making to really realize significant differences layouts to fine tune things.

Great video, sir! Sometimes that tiny difference can help one carry, but there's so many other factors. Surface is key! #trucut

Great video. Would also be nice to see, with all these layouts, the difference of where he has to stand and target for each layout to strike.

Great video Ron & Dustin

I drill my own stuff and I definitely agree with what you're saying about not much difference in ball layout, especially if you struggle with repeat shots. What I've really learned is that ball design/intent is the biggest factor (and sanding pads). 🙂👍

LOVE WHAT YOU DO SIR!!! I need that Carolina Blue shirt you flexing in...;)

Nice info about pin placement. I would like to know more about pin distance and top weight and pin placement together.

Can we do this same video with all these same drill patterns but throw a long medium oil pattern and a short dry oil pattern. And another video with these same balls starting with high polish and working down 5 grades of ball surfacing. I appreciate your passion and thank you so very much for sharing knowledge with us.

Great informative video. Shout out to the camera guy.

Might have been nice to ask the bowler if he felt any of the layouts felt better to him for the lane conditions. Likely would have said that any could have worked. Good video. Love the tech.

Would be curious to see if still that similar on sport pattern

So after all this great info, I still don't know what layout to get on my new ball haha

Very informative 👏 👌

Very interesting. I'm new to bowling and just bought my first ball and had it drilled. It's a symmetrical ball and I noticed that they did not drill it pin up or pin down, but drilled my ring finger directly into the pin. So now I'm very curious, why did they do that and what does that do??

How much would hand position changes be magnified by the different layouts? Would the different layouts still be so close or does a certain layout react more to certain position changes?

Nice video and information as usual. I have been throwing mainly pin up Radical balls for several years now. I have thrown some pin down with weight holes, as well as a couple short pin layouts and a Rico drilling once. From what I’ve just witnessed, I’m sure that given the chance to throw a game or so with each of those balls, I could figure each one out. I might even be able to use them for specific applications without having to change my style of throwing? I’ve seen pros during match play, with several different layout variations on the same ball at times. I’m sure having a knowledgeable ball rep to advise when and what to change to would be a benefit also. I’m mostly bowling league, but do tend to prefer symmetric balls with pin up layouts. Just picked up a Pandemonium Pearl a week ago, and am still getting acquainted with it.

If you’d sell any of the used balls I’d love to get back into bowling with some of the new tech

Types of inserts used will also effect the balls speed and rotation based on the bowler style. Some inserts are just round hole types others have flat edges on the finger side this will effect rotation and rpm beyond just the layout used.

Thanks!

I really appreciate your videos but honestly all it did was confuse me a little more about layouts to me the data just tells me that it almost doesn't matter maybe someone who's a pro bowler would see the differences

What makes the ball angular or continuous? Layout ,surface, core? Loving these new instructional and information videos please keep going

This are always awesome but how about some good left’s and both two handed lay outs. Please!

Hello and thanks. I noticed most of the drill angles were 45. I have read that the drill angle on a sym ball is not important. Just wanted to get you thoughts, thanks

The big puff pad is amazing! I love mine!

That great information keep up your good work soon as get up some cash I am going 2 order some products frome products,be safe.

which one is better pin down or pin up??? which do you recommend most???

Would the differences be magnified by someone with significantly lower ball speed?

I like the 45x5x30 ball drill pattern

Very interesting. But could you show what are 3 numbers and how they are measured

Ron... Is the bowtie point relative to the pin position? Meaning as the pin moves does the bowtie point move? Is the bowtie point always the same distance away from the pin? Is the bowtie point also an indicator of what type of ball motion the ball has?

What do you recommend to push the track as far from the fingers as possible? I'm a 2 hander with a real hard time keeping the track off the middle finger

Is it hard to find a pro shop that will favorably drill for you?

Felt like I just went to physics class but actually learned something useful

I noticed recently that my dads finger holes stick out similar to the balls you are throwing. Is that an error in the pro shop or is that on purpose? And what would be the purpose? I could see the rubber potentially helping to grab. But I could also see it creating a slight hop during revs. I'm an avid bowler. But until recently I didn't think about the behind the scenes stuff too much. Any info is appreciated. I enjoy your videos. Thanks you.

I used to be of the opinion "only cover and surface matters." I have since grown to: the summation of all of these elements is PARAMOUNT in a bowling ball's proper performance. Think of a shopping cart with 1 wheel turned 90 degrees off center. You've only lost "25%" of the wheel surface the shopping cart has available, but MAN you sure notice that wheel not working with the rest of the cart, right?

Can I get one of those Latitudes? Great information by the way.

That 90 X 1/2 X 60 layout doesn’t flare as much so if I choose that layout on the iq tour edition what would’ve do for me see I’m a straight player bowler averaging 193

Why have you gone to this ball and not the CtD benchmark ball the IQ tour solid?

This dudes rev rate is insane!

Since CG placement doesnt matter. Could you take a undrilled symmetrical ball and drill the "back side" of the ball still using the same layout and get the same roll and reaction? In other words......put the ball in a manner so the CG is facing you as you typically would when laying out a ball, but take the ball and put the CG so it is facing down and lay it out that way? Would be a comparison I would like to see. Same layout but one ball where you have the CG marking visible and one where the CG is not visible. Throw the balls side by side in a comparison video and see if they react identical.

Question: The Pin to PAP (Track Flare). I believe the least is 3&3/8 & highest is 6.5 and more it is the weaker the lower...the strongest a ball would be, isnt it? For example a 3.5 would be strong and a 6 will make the ball weak. I want to drill a ball 75-6-20. I want the ball to be weak for dry lanes. Will this be fine?

Hello MR.HICKMAN ,I am 68, my pro shop guy says he doesn't give my lay out information to me , should go to another driller ?

makes sense when the pba players make a ball change to the lane conditions

Bruh, where are you located? I'd like to come visit with you, if possible. I'm in Colorado.

Good layouts he just needs to close his angles and play right between 2 and 3rd arrow he has the speed third arrow is too deep for that ball either that or that core isn't all that strong because some of those layouts are strong

Hey do you have layout advice for a right hand 2 hand bowler

Quick question it looks like the finger plugs are sticking way to far out why did they not get cut down surely that will effect the ball going down the line

This guy failed on the finger tip in the ball sticking out like 1/2” lol😂

This made me realize that as my teen daughter's release and timing have improved/refined, so her layout might not be right for her now. She's been leaving splits and opens like crazy and she's tried everything. It's been a brutal season... Her average dropped almost 20 pins over the past 4 months, despite improving her pocket percentage. So into the shop we go to have that reassessed. Thank you for this! Great content as always! I just converted 2 families to CTD as we return to league this week after HS state finals. 🫶🎳

First number don't matter in symmetrical bowling balls. It's all about the 2nd and 3rd number

I'm wondering why you have the finger inserts sticking out of the balls. The first throw you can actually hear the balls thumping on the way down the lane. Thought they were supposed to be cut flush with the surface of the ball?!

When you have 5 balls that don't sell, make a video!

So what is the most common layout? What does the bowler think about the different layout or preference.

I really wished that you could have done a ball where the mass bias was more towards the thumbhole. For me....all these balls do the same thing thing. I'd rather see a 60 x 4 1/2 x 30.

Are the tips supposed to stick out of the ball by 3 inches by design?

How can I send my drill specs for evaluation and layout recommendations?

The comparison lags a bit. You can only compare it correctly if you always hit the same breakpoint and not once 7 bar and the other bar 12

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This would have been perfect if you had throwbot

Still have the balls to repeat this on a sport compliant lane pattern? I don't expect a lot of difference. I just assume the lane pattern helps push all the down lane data on top of each other.

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Funny i have a few balls drilled with short pins and stronger pins and they react nothing like each other my short pin motiv horizon doesnt move anywhere near my strong horizon

Do thise balls ever get used again?

What I learned here was drill 3 holes in a ball where ever... and your good to go.

Why are all inserts proud of the ball ? i thought nothing could be

To me it is more about surface.

Not one shot was deleted.

why so much foreword on the fingers?

Why do you glue tge grips in above the balls surface? Only time i see that is by people who dont care or dont know what they are doing

No disrespect but if the finger grips were fully cut to size some of those would roll different with less flare.

Maybe get a more consistent bowler for your tests?

Lol. I’m confused

Your tester would average about 150-160 in my house. He never lined up his feet and his targeting was 4 boards wide at the arrows. Too used to bowling on the gravy train I guess...

Speaking of layouts Ron, I wonder if you can help me identify a layout I noticed in an old PBA broadcast here on RU-vid. Walter Ray Williams is throwing one of the Speed Zone series and the Brunswick 'B' is upside down in relation to the grip holes. But I can't see the pin or the c.g. and so I wanted to get your opinion if possible. Here's a link to the video and check out 42:09, his thumb hole is actually through the Brunswick B. He's playing much farther inside than he usually did and I think that might be why he opted for some kind of pin down layout to create more roll. What do you think??? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XbzWMu4Lji0.html

Wish I could throw shots on that much oil!!!!!

They are all the same. Should have changed the drill ANGLES. MAYBE next time or Add too....add A 70 DRILL ANGLE and a 20 drill and change the VAL. They are all 45 except the pin on Pap

To bad your bowler couldn't slow it down & carry 😢

Your bowler is throwing the ball too fast he doesn’t have very much roll at the end of the pattern only 2 feet that’s not very good

Lol, it’s a symmetrical ball.... doesn’t matter where the pin is....

Could get a better bowler to demo them next time..

Dude needs to slow down

Convinced this guy sucks at bowling lil😂

Get them inserts in there. They're half stickin out