5 Orchestration Shortcuts That Will Save You Time

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@michaelsheard4522 Год назад

Alan Belkin described the oboe as "a bit of a prima donna" (I think I've got the quote right), which is both amusing and useful. "Naughty boy of the orchestra" makes the point even more emphatically.

@erpollock Год назад

Since I've been going to the Philadelphia, I've noticed Philippe Tondre's oboe playing and it does stand out from the rest of the orchestra.

@isomeme Год назад

My father referred to the oboe as "An ill wind that nobody blows good." :)

@alexjacob_composer 11 месяцев назад

Before pop stars like Madonna existed, the diva was the oboe. That's probably why Professor Belkin calls the oboe a Pre-Madonna.

@ethanwelk2736 5 месяцев назад

I played oboe for many years and was never good at it.

@timcox5373 Год назад

Another tip that a bunch of composers get hung up on (including me when I first started): Don't be afraid to have resting measures. Don't worry about a player being "bored" it's super common for someone to have 8/10/28/etc measures of rest, or even an entire piece (look up "Flight of the Bumblebee on Bass Trombone" to see a great example of this). Your writing and your orchestration will open up when you stop thinking everyone needs to be doing something

@newagain9964 5 месяцев назад

Somewhere, a violinist is triggered.

@skittybee 3 месяца назад

@@newagain9964long rest periods are more common in symphonic works. I like it, because it’s a break when I’m usually always playing

@rkstudios1582 Год назад

These are all really great tips! I love that they aren't just the standard tired tips, but really things that seem applicable to you and your writing development! Thank you!

@HeavenestStCyr Год назад

1 Voicing Chords in WWs: See Clarinets and Bassoons as strings for harmony and treat Flutes and Oboes to drive melody 2 Keep families together to support each other 3 Use Percussion more for support and color 4 Mark up your line before orchestrating

@littlemarmoset Год назад

Solo cello and oboe at the octave in one of the Schumann symphonies is a lovely pairing as well.

@AndrewUdal Год назад

Tip 2: It’s something I found very interesting but it’s very clearly used through lot’s of very well known music especially as a way of developing a thematic idea. Repeat the same idea in the 3 different sections (or go spicy and do a 4th with percussion and harp etc) and develop it in each new section as a way of stating an idea whilst keeping the piece moving.

@winknotes Год назад

I love tip #4 and reinforces something I've recently come to realize about my sketches. I can be pretty lazy about sketches but the more detailed I am the better the final result.

@mathiaslevyvalensi-compose5014 Год назад

Tip 4 is actually such a brilliant tip! So simple yet so refined! I would love a video about the rhythmic elements found in the brass and woodwinds all over the star wars scores and so many others. When the composers seem to simply fill out the space but it has such an effect with all there chords in triplets, quintuplets and whatnot! Thanks for the video!

@Botondar Год назад

It's funny how the example at 2:53 demonstrates the John Powell quote "trumpets are a percussion instrument".

@RyanLeach Год назад

I've heard he's got a real problem with trumpets lol

@Botondar Год назад

@@RyanLeach he did follow it up with "and nothing else" haha

@alexander.hansson Год назад

I totally agree that Alain Mayrands courses really are a game changer. They really do deserve the most attention and is really an investment. Would love an interview-video!

@RyanLeach Год назад

We’ve talked about having him on, he’s a busy guy!

@chc_portlock2301 Год назад

Tip 4 seems so obvious yet I can’t believe I’ve never approached it like that, awesome stuff!

@Qermaq Год назад

Pretty good tips. You are correct about #4 - it's like the difference between food and ingredients.Too often we look at melodies and harmonies as stuff to distribute, a bag of candy, and not, as we ought to, as ingredients that need a little prep before we start cooking. This process forces you to see the music in the line and later it will be obvious where to voice it.

@musical_lolu4811 Год назад

Clarinet's clarino range also tends to stick out melodically in like _mf_ or _f_ so it can potentially enjoy the diva status of flutes and oboes.

@goldenwater2916 Год назад

I love your videos, they're just the right length and easy to understand, thank you!

@tahutoa Год назад

I didn't know about that "marking the line" thing, but it makes a lot of sense. When the muse hits and I suddenly imagine a melody complete with chords hitting at certain spots, I can only sing the one line to myself _but_ I'll throw in things like an accent on what I know would be supported by other chord tones when I wrote it down.

@BhaalSakh Год назад

This channel is a gold mine.

@jenssieckmann Год назад

I love these short, concise and valuable shortcuts.

@c.s.i.inamerica2420 Год назад

I just discovered your channel today and I love every video I've watched so far. You're easy to listen to and present everything a real easy-to-understand manner! Thank you!!!

@gondiulaurentiu3804 Год назад

The first piece of advice about the woodwind quartet is so relevant that it deserves a subscription from the start.

@studentmusician2184 Год назад

I agree very much with writing the articulations and dynamics before orchestrating further.

@ZachHeyde Год назад

This is great stuff, Ryan! You've packed some real gems into a concise 5-minute video 👍🏻

@digital_matt Год назад

I feel lucky to have played quite a lot of the staple orchestral repertoire. Rehearsing and playing a bunch of different music got me really familiar with how various instrument combinations sound and i have a sort of sound bank of those with pieces as examples. I do want to say to composers and arrangers out there, the bass clarinet is an extremely flexible instrument, dont hold back!

@Bitimi Год назад

I struggle with woodwinds for sure. Thanks for the helpful tips! I'm excited to think through, experiment and implement some of these.

@keeonramusic Год назад

Amazing pearls of wisdom. As someone just starting out, albeit late in life, I'm enjoying your videos, learning so much and putting everything into practice to get better and better. (Also seeing another South Aussie creator is great too). I'm getting my manuscript book and pencil out. It's been a long time since high school music classes, but it's all coming back to me. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and experience with the community. "On the shoulders of giants..."

@ericmyrs 9 месяцев назад

Another thing to think about, is that music is played by humans, not machines. Try to avoid boring generations of cellists with the Canon in D problem. Mid and low range solos can be great, The Game of Thrones theme springs to mind, and so does the Trio section of basically any march.

@SimplyChirpy Год назад

I never dreamt that such great teaching could be found on RU-vid. Thanks a ton, Ryan.

@enrath4078 Год назад

I used these tips today for my Theory and Composition class today and it helped SO MUCH

@ibanezman04 Год назад

Ryan your channel is getting better and better! Quality content.

@BaldPerspective Год назад

All great points!! You def can never go wrong with chorale-style part writing.

@Tylervrooman Год назад

Very cool watching your channel grow! Getting to that 100k soon!! Thanks for the great work

@erpollock Год назад

Very interesting for orchestral composers! I'm not one, but the construction of an orchestral piece is really fascinating. And how you take from different sources, books, and from John Williams, and use their advice. This must be very helpful for composers.

@tonkaphilips4674 Год назад

This video is so good, I can't wait for more orchestration videos!

@SaarangP_007 Год назад

Really amazing tips for orchestral music...especially if you are just starting out and don't know where to begin. Valuable content!!

@KimberlyKreek 4 месяца назад

Thank you so much! Wonderful ideas and played out so logically and easy to understand

@detlefkrystofiak3838 Год назад

Thank you for the tips, which are very valuable to me. I have a direction to go first.

@erikbrendeland3445 Год назад

So thankful to have your video come up in my video feed. Been looking for orchestration help like this. Thanks for referencing those sources also. Gives me some books to buy.

@Observation001 12 дней назад

Great lesson! Loving your videos.👏🏼🙌🏼

@gavinfrody9976 Год назад

This is a pretty cool video! I think we can move past the ideas that we need to orchestrate specific ways like having clarinets and bassoons together and with an oboe melody. If we keep doing things the way we always have then we'll never get anything new.

@vegangames3468 Год назад

Excellent work. 💙

@DrCorpse Год назад

Great content and tips Ryan. Thanks for all you do!

@BeefisGolden 11 месяцев назад

Oh man.. This was the channel I was looking for.

@MrTarlecon Год назад

I felt a complete amateur while watching this - a very important and helpful feeling for a one who thinks he can do all this "intuitively")). Thanks a lot for showing my ego its real place :)).

@lastritt Год назад

I have found that the more instruments you have at hand, the easier it is to orchestrate. The real trick is to make sound full and colorful when your budget is too small to voice four part chords in the brass, woodwinds or horn sections. More thought must be given to creatively blend timbres.

@RyanLeach Год назад

🎻 How to Write EPIC Cinematic Strings ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tddq3sQ91Mk.html

@henriquevazromano240 Год назад

Best video i watched today. Thank you!

@seekertosecrets Год назад

1:38 So like a duet!

@littlemarmoset Год назад

Flute and oboe at the unison is quite nice. The flute mellows the oboe, and the oboe gives the flute a bit more oomph.

@matthewjamestaylor Год назад

Thanks so much for sharing this, Ryan. Cheers.

@jose-daniel_martinez-miranda Год назад

Wonderful advice!

@gavinleepermusic Год назад

Great tips!!

@amiezwag Год назад

Your channel is amazing, thank you so much!

@wildflute Год назад

There is no melody quite sublime in the ear than when it’s played sensitively by a talented clarinetist. And I’m a flutist!

@adamtullymusic Год назад

Very Helpful! Thank you, Ryan.

@tiansaxo Год назад

Thanks Ryan, I love your videos! :-) I just ordered the books you recommended from my library

@kibudude Год назад

Love your channel🔥Like to see a video with insights on wind only orchestral composing. Keep up your great videos.

@guilhermeassuncaomusic Год назад

This channel is epic!

@marcosPRATA918 Год назад

Orquestração, eis a arte máxima da composição.

@FelixPando Год назад

Thanks Alan its help me 100 %.

@GTORT Год назад

Still the best channel idc what anyone says

@papitay2010 Год назад

great master... You is a great musician.. Many, many, many thanks....

@1GearG0 10 месяцев назад

Awesome. Thanks man

@Imagineyourmusiccom Год назад

very effective and straight to the point, just subcribed, thank you very much

@billwentz5014 Год назад

Thank you. Excellent product!

@willgiam3231 6 месяцев назад

Thank you!!

@mr88cet Год назад

This is all really excellent, thanks! However, there’s another, very-different approach, or perhaps “scenario”: In some cases, my entire motivation for a composition (or section) starts with timbre, or at least coincident with the melody. For example, the entire point right from the start might be to portray a conversation between flute and clarinet, say, taken over by violin and viola. In other words, it’s not always melody, then harmony, then orchestration.

@cheribarkman1784 Месяц назад

Thank you.

@donaldjacobs4732 Год назад

Thank you! This will help me

@seuradu8065 Год назад

There are many methods of approaching orchestration. What no composer has really presented in the course of orchestration is the compatibility of the timbres or colors of the instruments in the art of symphonic orchestration.For example, the horn is compatible as a timbre with the cello, or the Flute with violin and trombone and the Wagnerian Tuba with double bass.This aspect has not yet been addressed in orchestration courses. John Williams is my favorite composer in terms of film music orchestration.

@Jamesmusica Год назад

Thank you!

@truBador2 Год назад

Thanks for the tips.

@gylchrissprauve3760 Год назад

On time video...thanks a million

@Todzuum Месяц назад

The brass in the Williams score you showed acted like a snare with its rhythm , at least that’s what I hesrd

@salimsalari389 Год назад

Very informative. Thanks!

@wrench_shorts Год назад

Congrads on 100k

@RyanLeach Год назад

Thanks!

@RechtmanDon 4 дня назад

Just noticed the flute player at 0:06 is playing an open hole flute but with stoppers on some of the keys!

@gilevansinsideout 7 месяцев назад

Nice video thanks

@sampsonaborah1190 Год назад

Awesome, thanks

@thomascollins4325 Год назад

Liked the video!!!

@Reeseington 11 месяцев назад

3:06 you sneaky dog

@asllenn Год назад

good video

@Olosson Год назад

Very nice! I agree...

@musiquesintemporelles 8 месяцев назад

04:20 Counterpoint helps! 😉

@stevevasta 11 месяцев назад

Enjoyed this. But i'm not sure how much help the "four-part chorale" idea would be in very "horizontal" music. Dvořák liked to write four-part chorales, incidentally, for two oboes and two clarinets, rather low in the range, and the second oboe always sticks out. Orchestras, even in Czechia, apparently have their own standard workarounds for them.

@ejohnmcpomus Год назад

Great tips.....👌

@grt002 Год назад

Would love to see you analyze Liberty Fanfare by John Williams. Such a cool piece.

@Илья-ж7к4г Год назад

Спасибо!) очень интересное видео!)

@miltonderezende7906 Год назад

I'm a layman on the subject, however I believe that orchestrating is the same as painting a picture. There are people who have a doctorate in painting and cannot paint anything, while others who are almost illiterate paint marvels. The same happens with harmonization and orchestration. No matter how much you study, a person without a vocation will never write a song like Leonard Bernstein From Brazil.

@DavidRLentz Год назад

Immensely 🤔 and enlightening.

@thekeyoflifepiano Год назад

Rest in Peace John.

@RyanLeach Год назад

He is getting old, but I’m pretty sure he’s alive and well

@thekeyoflifepiano Год назад

@@RyanLeach You haven't heard the news?

@darionbuck4614 Год назад

Beethoven seems to use the oboe, at least in his symphonies, as the glue or bridge for the strings to the woodwinds.

@millennial8441 Год назад

Really helpful tips. The problem is when one sketches all the music for the piano and then one has to orchestrate. it That is the real problem because the piano is all-even sound, from the very low to the very high 88th key. And the winds have all those intonation problems.

@derycktrahair8108 Год назад

OBOE is the Trumpet of the WWind section. Bad boy? Shame him & he will come back on English Horn. You can't keep a good Muso down. But most will go to Sop Sax & sound alarming. Hey, if you hear your musical voice in that range try CLARINET. The strange fingering was designed to keep the lazy ones out. When you hear yourself with that sound you'll love it & put in the hard work.

@jcoolverine3483 Год назад

i saw one video of yours that show and sheets and piano tabs in program together, its super helpful that! can you do that in all your video ? thank you!

@Teladian2 Год назад

The woodwinds "not blending" is the whole point. Also Oboes can blend just fine as long as your players are good enough

@tommyromanowski Год назад

It’s best to assume that musicians aren’t going to play your music absolutely how you have it in your mind. If you don’t want oboe to jump out, best to just not have it play there than hope that the player will be good enough to get away with it

@i3gallery Год назад

Whilst what I am about to ask can be subjectively approached, I have to ask because curiosity wills it to be asked. Has anyone devised a classification of orchestral instruments based on how well their timbres support each other? For example, you talk about Oboes and Flutes being the "divas" whilst the Clarinets and Bassoons provide harmonic support", so has anyone built a list of instruments that provide a similar "definition"? Just to clarify, I am not talking about traditional/classical family groupings of instruments or the Hornbostel-Sachs instrument classification but a more progressive "sub-classification" that describes timbral characteristic similarities within certain families for example, those instruments in a given family that generate more of a given fundamental frequency as opposed to generating multiple overtones in harmonic sequence? I am not asking for a "definitive list" but just curious if this subjective viewpoint would have any general consensus in composer circles and if so, has anyone generated anything as a "general rule of thumb"? I am not a "professional" composer, my main strength is within production and sequencing but as I continue to explore, I find rabbit holes like this that require exploration. Any insight would be amazing. Thank you!

@orchestralhymns Год назад

👏👏👏

@bhaveshmistry3255 Год назад

It is absolutely amazing and a useful lesson for me. I have learned piano and I have a natural gift for composition but when it comes to orchestral work or to build the composition I really stuck and to be honest I don’t like to focus on theory’s when I make music. I can learn watching videos and by listening music rather than a reading music. I always curious to learn about the orchestration work and I am happy that I found you on RU-vid. Do you teach privately? Thank you so much for make tutorials 🙏

@furman.composer Год назад

You cannot orchestrate properly without reading extensively.

@JasonMcChristian Год назад

Articulations and dynamics within a line should be treated as just as important as rhythm and pitch. I consider all four at the same time when composing.