5 Pros & Cons Of An Ultra Short Throw Projector! // VAVA 4K Laser UST TV // Home Theater 2021! 

Ha! So true... thankfully my youngest is 9 now so I'm past that stage. But so many benefits - but the negatives or downsides should be considered too.

this is a parenting issue not a TV choice issue.

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@@DRIFTCATracing yeah because no child in the world has ever thrown anything at a TV no matter the parenting.

Glad it was helpful!

Thank you sir! Appreciate you watching :)

Thats great! Yes for a 150" no keystone required as you could pull it far enough forward to miss hitting the speaker. Nice job!

Yeah i have had 2 1080p projectors standard throw for years and I just got an ultra short throw laser Optoma ZW300UST its only 720p and I am obsessed with it the image is so bright and so big love love love.

Thanks for watching Jase - yes, I think that tech for the screen with the folding arms and the adjustable height is a game changer - and screen makers need to take note!

Which comments specifically?

@@BuildMontage dam like ya style cheers from Australia just the first dozen or so that appear on you tube comments, but hey since you here looking for a projector for backyard movies looking to spend around 5000 so about 3000 grand your market do you have a tip ? Narrowed to ultra close or ultra long 8m plus .cheers mate . Happy to wait if need more 💸 💵 💲

Thanks Chris! I love mine and the setup is such a great casual space.

New one coming soon! I’ll have a full overview on the channel.

@@BuildMontage do you know when the new one is coming I’m considering picking one of these up, also great review.

I just received word the new VAVA is still an e-shift - it has been shipped to me so it is coming very soon - paired with a 120" screen so super pumped to share it. Similar to the other higher end tri-laser UST projectors from Samsung and Sony.

@@BuildMontage Oh bummer, so it's not native 4K? Still looking forward to your review. Thanks!

Do u recommend the vava for everyday use? My living room is dark Anyways with blackout curtains

@@blitzbreppin9847 Definitely! You can use it for 8 hrs a day and it will last over a decade. I have a blackout curtains as well in my family room.

@@Bullybeef972 does it stack up to like the optoma p2 or the Epson ls500

Mate - it's seriously the best invention ever. I hope that more and more companies make screens this way. Because a UST will have a fixed position for the size based on the height of the furniture it's on, adjusting the screen to match it is the best and more elegant solution. I did a video on the construction of that screen on my channel recently too!

Glad it was helpful!

Awesome combo!

Thank you! And yes, centre channel is the bigges point of contention. If anything I would have gone an in wall speaker but the load bearing timber beam meant I couldn't do it. I love that projector you have - I am looking to get one in for a review. Your setup sounds like a good one. If you join our Discord server, I'd love to see some photos.

@@BuildMontage I'll definitely look into it and if you want to check out my set up check it out on instagram: instagram.com/sergioscinema/ Currently adjusting my surrounds lower will update but yeah you can see it here

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Yes, for me the center channel issue was the most important one to resolve, but image quality for me is amazing especially because the light doesn't have to travel far. Thanks for watching :D

Thanks for watching :D

Thank you :D

Yep I'm Sydney based. Welcome to the channel.

Thats pretty much how I feel about it. A TV can't look cinematic in my view - they look realistic but don't have the same feel. Watch Dune 2021 on TV and then a Projector and you will instantly know what I mean.

I thought I may have mentioned about preference of reflected light vs direct light, but I think that was in a different video come to think of it. Great point though.

I didn't really forget to include anything, it was more, I chose to discuss what I felt were important. Not all UST projectors are laser - this video was more aimed at the concept of UST vs specific UST models. I personally hope and think UST will be used more not less in the future but only time will tell.

Thanks brother! Appreciate you supporting me as always!

And you get soo much from a projector than a tv.

If you want the same imagine quality as an oled your going to pay for it, though projectors do allow for sizes larger than the largest tvs readily available.

They're also not as bright or vivid and even a slight amount of Ambient light can make your blacks look even worse than they already do in a dark room. I'm glad I sold my UST and CLR screen and switched to an 85 inch TV. Never been happier.

Thats exactly it, with a bit of thought and planning, getting the projector to the correct height is very important as not having to use Keystone will give you a better result without having any light bleed over the edges. I can't really recommend anything as I don't even have my new one yet

A UST could definitely work for your setup mate. Maybe a pulldown screen as well?

@@BuildMontage You got it man, would love a pull down screen so I can keep my TV.

Very good! I just installed my new UST cabint - arrived a few days ago so happy to have it - makes all the difference!

It's a Govee LED strip which should have the link in the description.

You also can't put speakers behind a TV

Nice, I haven't tested the Aura yet.

Few reasons… one, screen would have to be flipped there by not rejecting any ambient light. Second would be the screen would have to be considerably lower due to throw distance.

I may have a benq coming ;)

@@BuildMontage well then....

I was thinking of getting one until I saw your comment. Then I saw the starwars clip and the kids playing the car game I saw a rainbow flowing upwards, I don't know if this is REB, but if it is, are there any projectors that don't display it?

Yes the Vava Chroma. It’s triple laser. It’s the new version of the older Vava 4k. Triple lasers don’t have rainbow effect as they don’t use a colour wheel :) link in description. It’s on sale at the moment actually.

@@BuildMontage Wow, thankyou so much

@@majesticfeeds8872 Only 3-chip projectors are guaranteed not to produce RBE. All professional projectors (like those in cinemas) exclusively use 3-chip projectors (3-DLP or 3-LCoS). Manufacturers of projectors intended for home use that make and sell only 3-chip are epson (3-LCD), and sony, jvc, canon (3-LCoS). The rest are all single-DLP crap, which, depending on video source material, viewing conditions, and individual sensitivity, can produce massive amounts of headache-inducing RBE.

@@BuildMontage The absence of color filter wheel does NOT equate to no rainbow effect. There is still ONLY one single DLP in this projector. The three separate lasers still flash SEQUENTIALLY, and any sequential color system is wont to generate RBE. The only way not to have RBE is if there were 3 DLP chips. The goal of vava and the rest of its ilk therefore is to figure how to come out with a 3-DLP, discrete triple R, G, B laser native 4k UHD projector that costs around $5k, give or take.

Thanks for watching - I use Govee RGB lights - links are in the description to the exact ones I used.

Some of us were not given cash during Covid

Perfect! Sounds like a good solution.

True you can - I just think a screen really makes the image pop and also can reject ambient light as well in a bright room :) Thanks for watching

I’ll find out for you and let you know.

I think so for sure. They are not going away any time soon. Every new projector seems to be getting better and better and once problems like a center channel speaker for a discreet speaker setup is resolved, we will have a great option vs a TV.

Yes, my DIY solution works too, but I wanted something "pretty" I guess, and the screen I showed is a CLR screen but I have yet to see a CLR screen that can handle light coming from the side directly. I have trialed a few and none of them like direct sideways light.

I'd go something like the JVC NX7 - perfect quality and brightness for a screen that large.

I don’t I’m sorry. It’s a diy effort and repurposing a small stand I found at Target.

It does have levelling feet but the wonky setup I have on the temporary unit makes it very hard to align. Once I have the new unit in I will actually re align the screen to match the projector and do it spot on. It’s very very close now to not needing any keystone so I know I’ll get it right. I’m a big fan of the UST concept. No way I could justify the cost of a 100” tv.

@@scotttild The UST Benq I mentioned I want to say is native 4k and is brighter and has better colors than the Vava from the couple UST projector reviews I've seen of it. It's main drawback is the fact that it's a DLP chip so it doesn't have great blacks which is something I'm currently used to with my 55" oled. The interface doesn't matter to me as I'll rarely be using it since I have a NV shield and an AVR for input switching.

Im yet to work out what is causing it... its like an over-scan glow or something. Do you think this would stop the light hitting the wall?

Well the idea I'm thinking is to apply the paint all around the edges of your picture and naturally any unwanted light will be absorbed and not noticble anymore. However this will heavily interfere with your installed embient lighting and a black rectangle (bezel) will be noticeable. Or.... You can paint the back wall Black 3.0 and will look cool as if the screen is floating in dark space. My mind will go on forever lol But if you can fix this issue with the projector settings that would be best because the paint is very expensive.

Yes it can be mounted upside down

Yes I think it is the LT002 - since then I have sold it and moved onto the Chroma! I also want to test out the Formovie.

@@BuildMontage is the lt002 worth $1k brand new? Also the formovie t1 is supposed to be even better then the chroma but I can't find input lag on the c2

Not really, they all have them because they want to market to the TV buyer.

For my setup, this is perfect. It all depends what you're after. This is my casual space, so I really get a great experience from this setup considering what it is.

​@@BuildMontage is the vava worth it over the p2 or the ls500 I can't decide between the 3 I'm using it in a low light living room anyways and want it to replace my tv

@@blitzbreppin9847 check out my latest video on the N1 ultra or the Formovie theater on my channel page.

@@BuildMontage I'm watching them now.

@@BuildMontage still does the formovie compete with Epson or optoma

Out of all of the ones there I have experience with the VAVA Chroma - great unit. I was hoping to get the XGIMI but they sent me the Horizon Pro 4K instead, so I am actually in the process of reviewing that one. For UST, I would think Chroma but Im not sure you can even buy it at the moment.

I think its has to do with the lens. If you clean it, it greatly reduces it. Also I noticed over time the laser drift would add to a streaking which I have seen happen with most UST projectors over time. I had the LEDs around that screen but ive since replaced it with a different screen and dont have that projector any longer as well.

I didn't get a halo BUT I had to get my UST projector perfectly aligned meaning zero keystone. Keystone, outsides warping DOES reduce picture quality which is why my OCD like behavior made me get it perfectly aligned. The black frame around my Grandview 110" screen was JUST enough to absorb the halo light which I thought was only an issue with DLP UST projectors, which almost all out Epson who uses LCD but I guess I was wrong. This was with an Optama P2. I also think it's a requirement to have a UST ALR screen unless you have a perfectly light controlled environment. That means dark walls and ceilings also. I do wish Fresnel based screens were less cheap like lectangular based screens, which is every UST ALR screen pretty much out there that most people have seen unless you go to CES. With my 10 year old Stewart Firehawk, which I had zero issues with any previous projector, made the ceiling light a strobe light as I had white ceilings. This is due to the extreme angle of the light source. UST projectors have to intentionally warp the picture due to the angle which does not affect picture quality like manual keystoning. If they didn't manual keystoning would be a requirement. This is another reason UST projectors, particularly DLP ones, have terrible input lag for gaming. Typically between 30ms to over 100ms. LCD projectors might work differently about warping the image as they are LCD but get around 5 to 15ma of lag so that may be a HUGE factor if you're going to be doing any gaming at all and are interested in a UST projector. The way lectangular based screens work, they only project light coming from a specific angle that ALSO only project the light/image directly back at typical user seating eye level. This is HUGE for brightness, especially during the day. I have to disagree about zero light from the sides. They do block some light from the sides but not block as much light from the sides. They do a great job at overhead light though Lastly, they bring out any imperfection in a regular screen WAY more than a regular standard throw projector. I saw imperfections in Stewart Firehawk that I never knew existed like tiny sags. UST projector screens use springs (or some other mechanism) to attach the frame to the screen to keep it super tight for that very reason, to make them super tight.. Lectangular based screens are essentially using nanotechnology to create ridges in the screen that go out and angle down. The out part is pointed to the ceiling and the angle part is pointed towards the floor (you can hang a UST screen the wrong way and you would notice immediately). The flat part rejects light and angled part only projects light back. This angle is the angle that the light from a UST projector comes from. Most can offer up to 90 percent of overhead light so they are perfectly fine for daytime use IMO but you will never get OLED blacks but you unless you got like 30K for a 96" LG OLED, or you want a wait, there are some 96" to 100" LED TV's coming out with back lit zones that are affordable but aren't available in the US yet. TCL just launched, or is about to launch a 98" LED TV with around 100 back lit zones for 3,012 dollars US. Problem is it's only being released in China and that's just how the exchange rate works out. The only problem with lectangular based design is it makes the screen typically have a 0.4 to 0.6 gain which does affect overall brightness. Fresnel based screens are based on CRT (cathode rade tube) technology ironically but have a 1.0/1.1 gain, are much brighter and look more like an actual traditional TV. Their issues are that they can be prone to hot spotting, potential glare, viewing angles and they are hard screens so they can't be rolled up which makes installing and shipping much more difficult but they can be sized at over 200"s also. That and price as they are typically 15K or more depending on the manufacturer. just flip it over for a short throw or standard throw projector as UST projectors start to warp around 150 to 160" s currently. So if your interested in.UST factor in a screen also, even if you have a traditional projector screen. It's almost a must have IMO. They do also make ALR screens for regular throw projectors that work in the same way only the angle light is reflected back is different but they still have issues with overhead light because most standard throw projectors are on the ceiling and with UST the light is coming from the bottom. Most people have light coming from the ceiling, not the floor so they just work out better with UST. I also think they are quite expensive also

Long gone now :)

I couldn't really recommend a specific TV Unit - you will need to find and measure your spaces to get them all at the correct heights and depths.

No, center channel should be at ear height for proper specification, but it's ok for a casual space to have it a little lower and angle it up.

Can you please share? I’ve never seen one. If it can pass sound then surely light will come through too I would have thought. Curious to see this.

@@BuildMontage Elite Screens makes them. They are acoustically transparent and then your receivers will need to be calibrated to accommodate for such an application. Usually in wall speakers. elitescreens.com/products/cinegrey-3-at/ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1pEAC64Lrdo.html

Yeah this is completely different to the Vava and vivid storm alr screens which don’t have micro perf. Not sure how effective it would but for a ust.

I still seem to see a faint glow around the screen even though Im not keystoned at all. Im unsure what causes it. I mask it with LED strips now. It is annoying though I agree.

Sure why not!?

Better at high frame rates, and it depends on the projector - the Samsung LS9PT goes very well as does the BENQ V7050i

Really? Do you have photos? Please join my Discord server and share them as I'd love to see a UST implementation in the ceiling - Im yet to see one.

I made that UST cabinet myself by tipping a conventional TV stand upside down and putting a piece of MDF across it. You have to think outside the box for UST cabinets.

I dare say it's pretty similar in that sense as it will reflect light back from the screen, and it will depend on the brightness and the scene. I find that the UST I have is pretty bright but it doesnt shine the room too badly.

@@BuildMontage oh yeah, that's what I mean. How much it shines the room. Thanks for sharing!

In a large dedicated room, I would imagine that a long throw projector would be more than suitable for your needs. a 6050ub is a beast of a projector.

I would HIGHLY advise a screen. Hot spots on the wall, shows all the bumps and doesn't look anywhere near as good as a screen.

Depends on the projector as to the space needed. Not all can do 150” and be in focus. The Vava can but I don’t know of any others that do.

@@BuildMontage thanks for the answer. so at what distance would i have the vava setup to?

I wouldn't install on the ceiling. Most screens reject light from the top so unless its in a dedicated light controlled room I wouldn't recommend it.

It will vary for each projector. You will need to check the manufacturer specs. It’s literally the only way to know.

Krix is the brand.

That's great. There are quite a few factors with positioning - size of screen, height of cabinet, size of your center channel etc etc - it's all very random until you have everything in front of you.

I agree - try to turn keystoning off and you will find it helps a lot!

What color do you paint the wall to cut the halo light to stop or any moods to make it work better

Yes not ideal behind a screen when you’re watching. Fun for the ambience and mood but off when you watch. I automate all my lighting in my room to dim when watching in my dedicated home theater.

Thanks for sharing~ I thinks it would be cool if the LED lights and sound interacted somewhat in sametime (ex. breathing lights and sound rhythm!) Of course it's only when gaming, not watching movies!!!

I have physically seen but havent tested the Cinemax P2 - but I hear VERY good things.

I love the VAVA - I have links in the description if you want to check out the specs more.

So the main issue is that your screen will need to be fairly low down on the wall and you will see the back side of the projector above the screen which could be distracting. AND you would need to have your ALR screen upside down too which will mean it won't reject any light from outside of the projector.