5 REASONS NOT TO BUY A HELLCAT OR SCAT PACK YET... BEWARE! 

Everyone should consider the quality of these last cars suck! It’s called employee lay off payback!

I bought my 2016 skat pack, 6 speed, shaker from the show room floor with no mark up. Now it's 8 years old with 21,000 miles. She's a keeper!

I’m the new car manager for a Dodge Dealership. I have 5 R/T Daytona’s left that I’m selling for $11,000 off MSRP. No add ons, no bullshit. Located in NM, 2 hours away from Amarillo TX

You could wait for sure, but if this price is right and you’re in a position to get one, then go for it. I got a 2022 hellcat back in February with 2k miles on it for about 65k

But first, buy food, water, silver, guns etc...

I contacted a Dodge dealership in KY this week, I offered to buy a new WB HC at their asking “sale price.” The salesman with only 3 months of experience, told me that’s not actual sale price, that’s the price if I qualified for 100% of their discounts. The car has been on the lot for 250+ days. No one has even tried to contact me since I told him no sale. He admitted it’s unfair how they show a sale price that no one would ever qualify for. He said they do that so out of state customers will contact them. I had to go through a short list of questions such as do you own a farm, have you ever driven a tractor trailer, where do you work, is your wife brunette or blonde, my ZIP code… blah blah blah

My Scat is paid for so I'm going to just keep it and ignore the market conditions. It is amazing how the desire for the next purchase never really goes away. I love my wide body B5 blue Challenger and will just enjoy it and try to be content. Thanks for another relevant video!!

Had a 2015 scat challenger ...notice HAD great car but to easy to steal.. been a moparian for most of my 61 years .. but when it takes less than a minute to steal a car that tells me that product security is low on the list . Definitely there not one more stellantis product in my garage or driveway ever again 😢

I really enjoy that you would take time out of your life to help someone who’s uncomfortable with the car buying process and help them. Amazing. Definitely worth a sub

I haven’t purchased new since 2002. I got tired of taking a beating when driving off the lot! A three or four old vehicle can be found for 40 to 50 percent less.

Top 3 Reason Not To Buy: 1) Prices are ridiculous 2) Build quality is shit 3) Dodge Dealers / Company doesn’t consistently does not want to stand behind their product, unless they’re guilt tripped into via social media.

I'm so glad I decided to pull the trigger on a 2016 Hellcat this past February. I did my homework, the car is in amazing condition and I got it for half the price of a new one without lot rot and shaugty workmanship. Another great and informative video Brad!! Thank you.

Good advice. As usual. Thx!

I like and WOW amazing TY so much ,,Keep up the great work

Been watching u for awhile now, Thank you

Great advice! OC...

Not even interest rates. They won't finance them lol. Unless they put 15 to 20k down lol. It's a disaster. Dealers here in Vegas are sending them to Manheim now lol 🤣

Dodge viper ACR'S are the only cars that will go up in value from that brand!

Good advice!$

I bought a DarkHorse premium under MSRP

Best economy in 50 years my A$$!!!

OC motivator...your spot on!... even if things straighten out I still wouldn't buy a 2023 because of quality issues beyond the normal stallantis quality problems....great cars that they made into junks as they closed out the hemi

Between the insurance, these ridiculous interest rates and the fact that I'm in Michigan near Detroit.Faced, they steal those cars like it's Going Out of style.Your advice is on point

There’s always been only one reason not to buy CDJR - absolutely bottom of the barrel quality.

Got an 2019 RT. I'm definitely waiting for the right time to upgrade to a Hellcat. Just got all my credit cards paid off 🙌🏽 so I have extra monthly funds to add to my savings

Wait till who gets in the Oval Office than decide if you buy HELLCAT or scat pack .

Good Advice 👍

I got my wide body Scat Pack with a sticker of $62,900 for $45,990 with no add ons with an interest rat of 6.50. Prices have gone back up since I purchased mine in April and there are only a few wide bodies left in south Florida. What do you think?

A fifth thing why one shouldn't buy just now, that is, how does a buyer of the last call vehicles protect themselves from the bad builds we've been seeing in these last call models? Sure, your trim panel wasn't serious, but look how long it's taking to get a new one and how much time you're wasting on it. And the one chassis that was welded without the adhesive would be another disaster if that happened to anyone else. What else is wrong with these cars that won't be discovered until they're driven 20k miles? How can potential buyers protect themselves from those potentially time and money wasting scenarios? Will Dodge offer a 10 year unlimited mileage warranty to get rid of these things? I'm sure they won't, but what would it take to get the company back in the good graces of the customers again? Just a thought.

I have an e93 build that I absolutely love, but I am saving and waiting to pull the trigger on a plum crazy challenger. Tell me when Brad

I bought a 2020 Granite Grey 392 way in 2021, and I love it.....Always keep it up to par with the oil changes etc.....I'm planning on buying a Jailbreak Redeye down the road...waiting for the prices to go down... there are a lot of unsold 392s and Hellcats out there.....

Well they were pretty motivated when I bought my challenger scat pack plus a month and a half ago. MSRP was 59.9k, they had it marked down to 49.9k and I talked them down to 45k out the door. Interest was a little high but I got on a biweekly payback plan with 50$ additional every 2 weeks. Feels okay overall and I really love the car.

This is what ive been saying for months. Im waiting until next year to pull the trigger on my next weekend warrior car. The auto market right now is just a mess, quite possibly the worst time to buy a car.

I'd say buy a used one between 2015-2019 there's Tons of scat packs with 40k miles or less in the upper 20s -35k you'll save yourself 30 grand plus you'll get better build cars without problems before they started cutting corners rushing sending out half put together cars and cutting costs during the pandemic, these 2023 cars are already 1.5 years old and have lost half of there warranty sitting, and they are still selling at msrp, dodge has ruined there reputation and trust of customers and no one ain't buying the crap!!!

I contacted two dealerships in my state and they gave me a run around. Had me fill out a pre purchase credit app they saw I was A+ rated and didn’t even bother to lower the price. Not worth it they can keep em on the lot and let ‘em rot. One dealership has a 2022 still waiting to be bought. What a joke

Thanks for updating and educating me on this constantly changing market. I bought my 2018 Scat Pack in 2019 for $34K and have kept it all this time. I thought about trading for a Hellcat down the road but never did. I had a private offer of $38K for my SP a couple of years ago, but held on because of the insane amount of money the market was demanding for new Hellcats and Scats. Now it looks like it's back to being typical for what Dodge products should be. I guess I'll just keep washing and waxing my Scat, be content but at the same time wonder what it would be like to have a Redeye in my garage. I'm not participating in this effed-up market.

Appreciate it

I would never spend 40-50k on a scat pack ill take a camaro ss for 20k or a 98 vette for around that price, but I've found that I would be happier buying something older outright and owning it with the title in hand and no payment and just building it up while sitting back watching people struggle to pay for over priced scat packs unable to even enjoy them bc they are to busy working to barely afford them.

too late lol. I bought my 21' 392 scat this past Saturday and it's been heaven ever since. Great miles, great price and no bs attached.

2023 new Challenger Scat Pack, $57,720 msrp and got it for $43,250. Had to pay $250 for tint but no other fees or markups. Pretty loaded with the HK sound system. Had o drive down to Houston from DFW but worth it. Did everything on phone and email prior to showing up . Deals are out there just might have to look outside your area

Some dealers have really good deals and have and are moving a lot of cars. Some of them are still way too high. The color I want in a Scat Pack is very hard to find. I got a really good deal that was OTD less than what you're talking about.

You are right on,everything you are saying.I love going to the dealer now and playing with them.I have My 2014 not for sale but I will add to my collection keep coming down Hell Cat soon 😊😊🇺🇸🇺🇸

Inflation was and is still slightly higher than the normal 2-3 percent but wages have out paced inflation

I’m waiting for a Supra prices to come down. I’m seeing more and more to hit the market. My current car is paid off so this will just be a toy for me.

Do not do the wells fargo deal without looking around first. Plenty of better offers out there!

My plan is to go to a dodge dealship with 45k cash to buy a scatpack not a penny over

If we get a change up in the Oval Office we will have a Buyers market by next summer...the down side of that is finding the car you want will become markedly difficult...it's always something you are either paying through the nose or your driving from dealer to dealer trying to find the car you want.

Repos were higher in 2017, 2018, and 2019 than 2022 and 2023 but in theory repos should be higher in 2024 because rates have remained high for a long time

I got one of the last NO INTEREST - 0 - NA DA on my 21 Scat P - Not a wide body but has every other option (Must admit wife ordered it) mileage under 12,000 - its staying in my gagage. good video.

Love your content and new subscriber - you sound like you belong here in Texas.

Got a 2013 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi. Paid off long ago. Never going to get rid of it. Like new with 165,000 miles.

I got an 2023 RT plus Sublime 6M at a great deal because they were so hard to find in the Sublime & Manual. I would consider trading up to the Sublime Swinger like you have as it would be my perfect, check all the boxes car, but we'll see if there will be one left around me when everything is on fire and they want to move the higher level cars. Right now there are none within 500 miles of me. Hellcats don't have shakers, so that would be a trade off for me.

I agree 💯 % this is the truth.

I got my 0 miles 2023 sxt charger awd for 27k 7% rate. I think that was a good deal for a new car

The only way I can afford one of these is these current price drops. I kinda gotta go for it...

Doing the paper work as we speak on a WBHC $10k below MSRP. If you're picky about the options and trim I would buy now (only if u are tier 1 credit and got money to spend). It's slim pickings if you're picky like myself. APR would still be high around 7-8% but shop around for rates and have the dealerships finance office match it.

The deals are already here. I bought my 2023 scat pack brand new last month for 15% off. $60,920 MSRP, I paid $51,250. You are correct sir! Anyone not getting 15% off is nuts. Any new challenger out there has been sitting for 7 months..min!

Why don’t you do demon videos? We have to pay to see those??

Dealers: “I’d rather give this car away in an auction than give you a discount. There’s the door.”

great review, Edmunds says they have employee pricing and 1.9% financing now for Challenger. I'm looking at MOPAR edition sticker is $69,595 what should the price be $62,000 ??

Brad, I may not have money to buy a Scat Pack or a Hellcat, but I'm feeling so good about the discount on these cars. As soon as this mess stops, and I get enough moolah, I'll probably buy both of them, since I feel it's unfair to choose one. Also, as someone who's been watching your videos for a while now, I can say that your Challenger Scat Pack's presence is so welcome. Edit: When I saw the discounts on a TV ad, I felt so tempted. Lol. 😂

lol I also have Wells Fargo as one of my banks and in December I got a cd for 4.64 percent. It matured on July 1. I was thinking of putting the money back into a cd but instead I’m taking my chance on some stocks which are all but one paying off

I was able to find a 23 challenger scat pack shaker in the spec i wanted for just under MSRP IN JANUARY. Had to travel to Massachusetts from NYC but well worth it!

The last time I checked, First Citizens Bank in North Carolina was 5.1% on an 11 month CD. So even better tates are out there.

LOVE THAT LAMBO!!

I just bought a 23 charger hellcat and got a great deal 11k off msrp car only had like 40 miles on it and super happy with it thanks to Towbin dodge in Las Vegas 😊

Remember what he said : Dealers Lowball you on your trade, then Highball you on the vehicle they're selling you. Then, you finance at some ridiculous high rate and end up paying more of your hard-earned money for the car. Money that you've already paid taxes on!!! How much money do you want to give away?? New cars are cool but take some advice - Save your money! Cash is King!

You stayed strong, the 2023 are junk.

The CD is not bad but I prefer to stay more liquid with 1-month treasuries at 5.36% or money market funds at 5.14% (Schwab).

Time to buy a repo'd hellcat cheap one of these days, maybe...?

Just buy your car. Bought a scat pack and no regrets. It’s badass

Bought my wife a loaded R/T challenger octane red the only things it doesn’t have is the sunroof and the shaker hood msrp was $56,479 for $42,690 at bill Harris cdjr in ashland, OH in march of this year I couldn’t get there fast enough !!! Lol

The insurance is a major downfall for these cars brother

The Demon prices dropped significantly, under $100,000.

Got my 23 HC $84k sticker car for $72k out the door with no trade. Florida dealer had a bunch of them they were liquidating. There are deals out there you just need to do a nationwide search. It’s cheap to ship a car too. If your local dealer won’t come off msrp tell them to pound sand or you’ll be way upside down on that car.

It’s really too bad they went down in quality. I wanted to get an R/T Charger a few years back or a Durango R/T. Rates are crazy for them too!

My 21' challenger scat wb was stolen at my house 3 months ago. I'm in SoCal. I tried to get another, but prices w/int. Rates changed my mind. Bought a new/used lexus with a better int rate than my CU and lower price. Gonna wait another year or two to see my options.

People I know sold their house and waited on the market correction to happen and guess what, they are still renting and waiting. I recently purchased a used 21’ Challenger 1320 from one of the biggest dealership in a neighboring state. Car had 1900 miles on it…$47K and dealership wouldn’t budge on price.

OCM, the prices are still high on scatpak and hell cats.

I don't know for other places but here I got my HC on 4/30/24 and from HC to Demons they had 67 left on that dealer today is zero in fact a 150 mile search for new HC in my area on 6/28/24 gave me a 314 result and today is 52 and they are back in the $90's again so defiantly not a time to buy here.

This is so true what he said and my wife and her family went there to the dodge dealer to see to trade my dodge durango RT 2021 and/or dodge charger RT 2023 so they said yes would be trade either one for charger or challenger scatpack… but the problem is the paying monthly is 1300 either one scatpack with an high interest 22% so I shook my head from my wife told me on the phone & also told me come back later in 8 months to a year so the interest will go down and pay monthly too so I’m like….. it doesn’t matter because so many ppl out there cities or different world have a lot money they could buy scatpack hellcats etc before me would be lost opportunity like honestly this is suck

Agree. Not paying 9% interest with prime credit. Thats an extra 20-30k for a 5-7 year finance. I'm gonna wait til the price comes down abut on em. There was too high rn. Asking luxury car prices for a dodge product. Lol. hilarious

I saw an '04 Ram Rumble Bee that was sitting on a lot close to a year. Dealer was asking 10k, I offered $7,500 & they bit!

The Charger you showed with the list price MSRP. The actual cost of build is actually just under 16k. Think about that. So not only are you paying hyper-inflated prices for these vehicles. You cost to deprecation at the point of sale with current average interest rates. You're loss at the sign of the dotted line is more in the likes of a residual loss of 72% on an average basis. So in other words, your financially bankrupt the moment you sign the paperwork. Sounds awesome doesn't it.

@ocmotivator what time frame you thinking 6 months?

I think most people just won’t get interest rates below what CDs or other relatively safe/guaranteed returns investments. In that case paying cash is better right?

I dont even want one of these new ones its sad they seem like all pieces of shit

Good ill wait 😅

how should you go about getting rid of a hellcat without being upside down

I have a 2016 challenger 392 and I’m ready to get a new hellcat but I’m still holding out. It’s just not time, yet. We the customers should hold out, they will come down

Might be different in Canada but with 800++ credit rating when I was looking around interest rates were up around 9% (used). Special sales on certain new cars, never the nice desirable models, im seeing 5.99%. 5 year terms at banks giving high 4% to 5% interest on saving. Alot of what you say makes sense but car loans, or cash purchase for that matter, on new cars never do. Best bet if you want a car loan get a 3-5 yr old car and let somebody else pay the depreciation. You are right though even the used 5 yr old cars are marked up because of the ridiculous new car prices so wait it out. Im keeping my 2009 R/T and ill waste money on a supercarger one day. Its paid for the supercharger will be paid for and it will still have more power than anyone can legally use on the street. I would say to anyone go out and find a 2008-14 charger srt8 or challenger that someone has babied and polished in their garage like a family member and buy that. 8 speed not worth the thousands and thousands of $ extra.

A guy with a challenger telling us not to buy a challenger

Manaheim just posted the used market crash of 60%. You'll take a serious, serious beating if you buy now.

👍👍 but I like what he said if you got the money and they giving you a nice price on a CD you might as well do it that way. 07-10-24@11:09pm

If I wanted to save up for the year and pay in full with cash, what would be a decent percentage off to start the negotiations?

My dealership is selling remaining last calls is selling 10k-13k under list. Also credit unions offer great rates. Don’t tell people to not do something because you’re not happy. I have no issues with quality either.

People with tier A credit don’t buy Mopar.

i got my 2022 scat charger widebody for 55k msrp 6% interest back in 2021. Fully built due to incentives and discounts. i think thats good to be goodright?

Always buy what you want to drive with consideration factor of the budget availability. That's all. The next should be overall reliability of chosen car(s). And that's totally all. Do not listen to other people, you are not them. Do not listen to losers who can't afford the car that you want, do not listen to general consumers who do not care which car do they drive. Calculate your budget wisely and drive your dream.

I purchased my 2019 scat pack challenger fully loaded with incentives for $41,000 out the door. Then a couple years later got my challenger hellcat fully loaded out the door for 68 grand 1.5% interest payment of $602 a month. This is the reality we were living in this is what it should be not these ridiculous overpriced cars with this ridiculous interest rate not selling mine holding on to them this market sucks