NICE! Don't forget, there is the BMZ RS (formerly Sachs RS) found in NOX Cycles.. 112 NM and over 800W sustained. But more than 3 kg and because they use 48V, the battery with the same capacity is heavier too.... So very impressive from DJI! Thanks for the Infos !
So for the first issue with DJI not releasing the product in the US, can't say anything about that. But the second issue has a pretty simple solution! Make the repair material open, with detailed schematics, part numbers ( for bearings ect), schematics of the BMS board and let the community take over the weight of repair and maintenance of the platform, many shops worldwide can certainly do that, and just focus on delivering the product worldwide through distributors and dealers. Easy fix no?
@@SeifEddineB the Polini motor is that way... You could probably fix it yourself... All parts are numbered and everyone, shops and private customers can buy them
@@EMTBReview sure not by me... but a lot of my bike friends could... mechanics and others... you get all parts and infos to repair it... polini is at least trying to be sustainable
Nice review Francis. While the electronics of DJI are premium, the ZF-90 compact motor will likely compete directly with the Pinion gearbox motor faster in future (they already make moto gearboxes) and perhaps be compact as well. Thus, allowing for a full power sub 42 lb ZF-90 gearbox motor---that's the real future gamechanger! While the DJI motor is an improvement, I have a 110 Nm peak motor...it's nice, but I don't race and need the big racers overrun for steep tech. Sure, it's cool for an occasional hill climb challenge with friends, but is not 99% of my riding needs. The norm 85-90Nm works great!🤟
@@blakkpatron they do gearboxes for autos now, it should be fast if they pull off a 7 or 8 spd micro one. But their electronics need to improve more like DJI.🔧
@@tomcagle5324 well a gear system is in my opinion more needed than a new motor system, we need something that can be adapted to any motor system. The 3x3 hub seems like a step in the right direction, but it's still a bit too heavy.
@@blakkpatron 💯 agreed thinking. Especially, for the SL emtbs. The Kindernay V-II lightweight IGH is out there for a hub company to buy out, maybe Industry 9, Wolftooth, even Oneup with their new hubs. Supposedly, about the same grams and was similarly priced as the Sram T-type. Just not heavy and proprietary like 3x3. Like Rollof, just half the weight and cost, particularly now since they went wireless shifting!😁
Hello, you say the motor is quiet? At least 2 reviewers that have actually ridden this bike say there is a clunking of the motor on the downs. This has also been acknowledged by DJI themselves. Maybe a little more fact checking before posting speculation. Shame you guys in the US may not get this bike , hopefully this will change. I hope this will shake the E-bike market up and make them sit up and listen. 👍
Good point. I watched all the videos and did not see that. I saw one video that said there was a bike rattle. My speculation at this point. Can you share the video urls please, especially where they acknowledge? Yes I really hope this shakes up the market!!!!!!!
@@EMTBReviewI’ve also got an email from DJI support acknowledging this problem but assuring me of a fix before final release. Got to say if this is fixed this bike will shake up the market. Hopefully kickstart the industry to stop drip feeding us, the consumer, mildly updated emtb’s when they’re capable of this kind of technology. 🤞🏻
@@streddazread the other review I mentioned. As I said earlier, I’ve also a reply from DJI Amflow acknowledging this motor clunking noise and promising a fix before final release.
Now they can brick your bike with an update too. Better keep the original packaging or they won’t warranty it like they did with their drone. No thank you.
Got rid of my ebike, to hard to travel internationally with an ebike. If/when I buy another one…motor is most important and I agree torque is what you need for MTB, climbs are low rpm grunt. Next thing is I’ll ONLY buy an aluminum bike next time…carbon gets damaged to easy.
Great review. My thoughts are that I want to see what the failure rate is after a year or so before I flash the cash. Until recently I was seeing many failures with the Levo caused by water ingress and belt failure. The belt failure has been addressed with a better belt, but the reason for those failures is often the reason for failures in motors with plastic gears - Pedal Strike. The greater the torque produced, the more chance of stripping a couple teeth with a strike. Talking to a few of my LBS and they are reporting a slight rise in issues with the EP801 since the firmware update pushing the NM up some. Great that there are new players and hopefully by the time DJI gets to America they have alll issues sorted ... let the Euros help work out the bugs. The water ingress is more for the most part the same reason on most motors - bad design. Using the Bosch as an example, when they went from the original motors to the new, lighter Gen CX they went to smaller, narrowed bearings - this increases flex as the cases are usually narrower & lighter as well. The smaller balls and races tend to fail quicker than the ones with the bigger balls. The eBike Motor Centre (formerly Performance Line Bearings) will probably get his hands on one soon enough and we can see how they stack up. Me, I liked the look of the bike, thought the top tube display looked great and much prefer the minimalistic handlebar controls.
I had my 2022 Giant trance for over 2 years, 3000 miles, zero issues with motor or batteries. So maybe Bosch and specialized aren’t as reliable as the Yamaha motor
Many of you are obviously not familiar with DJI. They do not take years to launch products. This is not Specialized or Trek that we're talking about. Their bike will be available worldwide much sooner than anyone realizes
I don't think they're interested in launching a huge bike brand. They just needed to showcase their product that they developed in secret. The business trying to enter is like Bosch, be a motor system supplier. And I think many bike companies will want to use this system, but it will take a couple years.
Pinion motor and transmission combined system will forever be a niche product I am afraid. It is too proprietary and it's got little U.S. presence. I liken it to the Pinion gearbox and Rohloff gear hub. Great technologies that never get mass adoption.
I would not be surprised if Riese and Muller would be one of the first bike manufactures to team up with DJI. If it does happen expect it in late 2025, just in time for the holidays.
I'm sorry but watts (power) is definitely more important than torque, power is the summary of speed and torque, that's why gas cars have more rpm but less torque than diesel but same power in the end
Power = torque x rpm You can get a lot of power by spinning the pedal rpm’s to 120bpm. But nobody does that. Spin at 80rpm at most while climbing steep trails. Also there’s a 20mph cutoff on motors. This is the reason why torque or NM is key in emtbs
@@EMTBReview Yes that's what im saying, but its about motor rpm, not your pedal rpm, your pedal input is for a torque sensor to register what power you need
Wrong about torque vs power. Power is what get you up the hill. Basically, power = torque x rpm, so a motor needs to be able to maintain peak torque trough a wide range of rpm.
Disagree. Torque is what accelerates you and changes your speed, especially on steep hills. Power or peak power is what determines your top speed. Since these bikes are all limited to 20mph shut-off anyway, peak power is mostly useless. I have a Bosch SX right now with 600 watts of power. It can barely get me up the steepest hills since it's only got 55nm of torque.
@@EMTBReview on a steep gradient , you will not hit the limiter, so power is what get you up the hill. The reason why the Bosch SX is slower, even if it’s got 600w, is that it is design to get you 600w on short burst with crank speeding up to 120rpm. But on a normal climb or normal effort, you are not(your legs) putting enough power to acces those 600w, so the motor probably give you back only 350-400w or so. At a stand still , it is true that torque will make you accelerate from 0 rpm to whatever you are spinning, but in order to give adequate power, the motor needs to be able to maintain its peak torque trough out the range of rpm.
@@Silverbeardedsurfer only if you start to drive with full power and in a high gear.... If you start in a low gear and with eco and then gradually as the speed increases raise the power, you will get about 3000 miles on a slx /deore cassette
@@AK-ContentCreatIon Still think 90nm is more than enough. I can get up pretty much anything with that much assistance. Feels like super easy mode after being on my 50nm bike while trying to get fit.
@@Silverbeardedsurfer I agree... I got 112 Nm 860 W continuous motor Sachs rs , I seldom use it.. Basically in the eco with 55 and sometimes 75 nm trail mode
I hope I'm wrong. I just know how long it takes to build a bike around a motor and how hard it is to build a service and support infrastructure in the US. The other issue is these bikes will be so hot. There will be a massive waiting list for it... in Europe. None will be left for anyone else.
For sure, I am very excited about this development and how it will push the ebike category. Now I am not sure folks should wait because every day not eat biking or not having an E bike is a lost opportunity. I really hope the dominant US manufactures with great dealers and support infrastructure introduce a bike with this motor sooner rather than later.
Just waiting price list 😅 On the wepbage there is a instruccion manual they have, of how to install handlebars and tires out of the box, so maybe those bikes could be ordered online
@@EMTBReview comparing to SWorks Levo & SL which are 3k more with mediocre tech, smaller battery but similar components. Don’t you think the DJI Amflow beats them hands down?
I hope you are wrong about US availability. They didnt pass the DJI drone ban, so hopefully that helps. I was all but ready to order a Nebo Peak, and then I saw this announced.
I was close to ordering the Nebo Peak as well, but continued lack of the range extender and Fazua’s controllers looking like garbage and prehistoric compared to DJI made me realize my Orbea Rise is still good for a couple seasons. The best thing that comes from this is that it forces the other manufacturers to improve the displays and control inputs.
Not so sure about plastic gears. Also, you were saying like two weeks ago the industry is shifting away from Shimano motors. It seems like now you're hawking this as the next best thing. A litlte all over the place, but then again so is the industry.
Correct. There is shift from Shimano to Bosch motors among many manufacturers. Plastic gears, I'm not worried since there exists crazy materials these days. Just as long as it's not a belt. The key point is this motor is quite a step up from the options today. But it won't be in a lot of bike ins the US for a long while.
True. Numbers have to be combined with riding experiences. Most folks can’t tell though between 60nm and 100nm since there are few meaningful tests. The weight though and all the display and battery features though are undeniable
@@EMTBReview Sure more competition only benefits us the buyer. So happy to see such a big technology manufacturer to join in. Im sure they will deliver some serious competition.
You mentioned the DJI bike may not be sold in the U.S. until 2025 or later. What if--when the bike becomes available in Europe--I went on a vacation to Europe, bought the bike there, then shipped it back to myself in California? Are there any roadblocks I could face?
I don’t think there are going to be any roadblocks to this. It is not easy to ship a big lithium battery back to the US but I believe the regulations forms and options are being sorted out for this already. Now when it comes to getting any kind of customer, support and service, that’s going to be a big problem.
I sincerely hope so. I don't thin we'll have any significant volume and price points by that time at all. Folks who can creatively import DJi equipped bikes will get it. Very little support infrastructure though.
They will ruin the e-MTB scene with their secret proprietary nonsense, just like they did with drones, you go out to a field and the drone won't work because it wants an update, but you don't have a Wi-Fi connection in the middle of nowhere !
I’ve been using the Dji drones quite a bit and their execution is insanely good. I fly everywhere and the thing is up in the air in seconds, no fail. 240 grams, follow me visual tracking with a great camera Of course
tongue-in-cheek I know. What's happening is DJI's drones are so good that USA companies (like SKYDIO can't compete and trying to win the product war through banning and legislation.
