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5 Story Shapes that will Change Your Book FOREVER 

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@katendress6142
@katendress6142 Месяц назад
I've never been clear on the difference between a pinch point and a plot point before, so thank you!
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
You're welcome!
@Ao3AnotherLady
@Ao3AnotherLady Месяц назад
Me: An ADHD author who needs sound effects, graphics, charts, and costume changes to understand something -- trying to get people to read 100,000 words without any of those things 😂
@mohammadmahdihoseynipoor6218
@mohammadmahdihoseynipoor6218 Месяц назад
The editing in this video is on point 👏
@tomlewis4748
@tomlewis4748 Месяц назад
As a pro editor for years, no, it is not. Certain reactions come too quickly, concepts the responder needs half a second to digest before responding. Not including those makes it totally not realistic or reflective of an actual conversation. It ends up looking like something some RU-vid idgit might post.
@shadotunga5529
@shadotunga5529 Месяц назад
@@tomlewis4748 Good and well, Mr. Pro Editor. What exactly is it you are a pro at editing?
@vixenvarya
@vixenvarya Месяц назад
I feel like you made this video for me, I'm really struggling with my plot right now 😂
@SalayaSkystone
@SalayaSkystone Месяц назад
As someone who does not understand plot structures well unless examples are given, I appreciate this with the added humor! More memorable this way
@ye_zus
@ye_zus Месяц назад
The Freyberg graph is misleading. If the vertical axis is representing tension, the high point of tension should always be towards the end, not in the middle as it implies. Instead we should think of the climax as a inflection point, as you say, the turning point. The "climax" is the point where things accelerate in one or another direction. The "climax of tension" is just before the resolution. That moment of denouement is the time needed to process the emotions, parse what the story meant, and leave feeling cathartic.
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
Yes, good clarifications.
@Mage_Chartreux
@Mage_Chartreux 9 дней назад
I got into an argument with my sixth grade teacher over this because she said that the climax occurred close to the end even though she also said that there should be an equal number of things before and after the climax. It was really confusing and upset me a lot, and I think that's where my hatred for these shapes originated. Having said that, as an adult, I now recognize their importance, and I look forward to using them in the future.
@jpch8814
@jpch8814 Месяц назад
You are so underrated, very informative, and hilarious! PS: I wasn't expecting all that muscle lol
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
Ha ha! Thank you so much!
@dueling_spectra7270
@dueling_spectra7270 Месяц назад
Yes, save the cat does feel painfully formulaic...(at least, it does if you're a dyslexic who picks up on patterns).
@canaisyoung3601
@canaisyoung3601 Месяц назад
But it is good for movies and TV scripts. Books, not so much, unless you're using it with another story structure formula.
@sultanalshirah
@sultanalshirah Месяц назад
I like the new format. I am used to your tiktoks and I like this too.
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
Thank you! Just having fun and trying something new.
@vincentparr3136
@vincentparr3136 Месяц назад
Your videos have been invaluable to me. I have been working on my first novel after years of jotting down endless ideas and procrastinating lol.
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
Glad to hear it! Many more videos on the way.
@thoughtcouture
@thoughtcouture 14 дней назад
This is unbelievably helpful, thank you! As someone who prefers character-driven novels, I’m a big fan of the snowflake method 😊
@aliensarerealbaby
@aliensarerealbaby 8 дней назад
Your videos are so, so helpful, thank you so much for posting them!
@almost_harmless
@almost_harmless 2 дня назад
It might not get an Oscar for that acting... but it got the point across, and it was appreciated :D I can see that some of my stories have a few of these shapes when I make them, and to have names for them and a clearer view of what they are like, will help me a lot. I will probably use more than one to better flesh out my outline.
@joshuam2212
@joshuam2212 Месяц назад
be careful with save the cat i have read a number of books that were so predictable i knew what was going to happen long before it did and if i gave you a general description it would fit any of them
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
Yes, this is why I tend to avoid Save the Cat. It's a bit too prescriptive for me. But I wanted to offer it as an option for people who needed a more in-depth guide to plot points.
@keithg460
@keithg460 Месяц назад
Just because a book is predictable, is it necessarily unenjoyable? These plot archetypes serve a function, but they are not written in stone; they can be altered or adapted. On the other hand, it is foolish for writers to try to subvert expectations just to catch readers off guard. Often when writers do that, they end up making a worse story. The plot archetypes exist for a reason. It is a structure that many successful stories have in common. There are many unsuccessful stories that break the structure or subvert it, but then you have The Last Jedi. I think you have a point about stories being predictable, but I think it is only something you should focus on after you understand the plot structure your story follows. In other words, learn the rules before you break them.
@Mage_Chartreux
@Mage_Chartreux 9 дней назад
@@keithg460 True, but my brain becomes exhausted and almost overstimulated when I'm exposed to the same pattern over and over again. I was at karaoke the other day and they were putting on a bunch of pop-rock songs from the 2000s and 2010s (Linkin Park, Sugarcult, other bands I don't recognize), and almost all of the songs used the same set of progressions (maybe changing up one part, substituting a different chord, etc.) as well as the same set of themes, same type of language, and even the same kinds of melodies. I got overstimulated and wanted to cry at a certain point because it felt like I was being assaulted with one neverending song. This is how I feel about tropes and archetypes in writing. What separates a mediocre writer from a good writer is their ability to breathe life into tropes, and that's a rare talent indeed. Tropes describe things in vague, abstract terms, after all, so how one is implemented will always be unique. It's a question of how that uniqueness adds to the story. Make it too unique -- break the trope entirely -- and you'd better be going for a specific effect. After all, even I have to admit that seeing a hippo who's a world-class ballerina feels like 'Haha, you thought hippos could not be dextrous? You were wrong!' without any deeper impact.
@TheDireWeasel
@TheDireWeasel Месяц назад
Really great information in this video! I appreciated the overview and basic touches on all of the major shapes. The vocal audio was a little sharp or muffled throughout the video, and the clicks when text appeared on the screen made it difficult to just simply listen while doing other things. Would love softer editing sounds.
@Melyssxxi
@Melyssxxi 20 дней назад
Just love how creative you are
@ilyas_elouchihi
@ilyas_elouchihi 11 дней назад
You're awesome!! This is very helpful stuff, Thank you!
@LecterGhost
@LecterGhost Месяц назад
this has been so helpful, thank you for this!
@Myfreetherapy
@Myfreetherapy 17 дней назад
I MADE A SNOWFLAKE WITH NY FIRST NOVEL AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT!!! Thank you so much for this. I will definitely be checking this out again before I start my secret second novel. I need to make a new shape 🎉😎💪🏾🫂🕺🏾
@rgaijin
@rgaijin Месяц назад
this was a fun video that explained things in an entertaining way. kudos!
@alice_sato02
@alice_sato02 Месяц назад
this video is so cool, I appreciate your affort and love the characters
@TheKickification
@TheKickification Месяц назад
Very good, keep going!
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
Thanks, you too!
@prosebender
@prosebender 19 дней назад
spot on humor and info! looking forward to using the save the cat framework for my novel. cheers :)
@SharkBagel
@SharkBagel 9 дней назад
Question on the Seven Point Plot Structure: can the first pinch come before the first plot turn?
@FriendlyEsotericDude
@FriendlyEsotericDude Месяц назад
this was actually excellent. Well done! 🤘
@Eren0_00
@Eren0_00 Месяц назад
This channel deserves more views
@rand0m_wr1ter
@rand0m_wr1ter 8 дней назад
Great video!! Don’t know why you don’t have more subscribers
@benjaminimganya7743
@benjaminimganya7743 Месяц назад
Amazing video ❤
@neofulcrum5013
@neofulcrum5013 7 дней назад
The freytag pyramid is basically what I’m using to plot my manuscript. But I think I ended up using the seven point structure 😅
@jayadeep-cw1jn
@jayadeep-cw1jn 25 дней назад
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!this helped me start my book series
@Bookfox
@Bookfox 24 дня назад
Glad to hear it!
@markmorehead6581
@markmorehead6581 Месяц назад
Nicely done.
@monalisa360
@monalisa360 Месяц назад
Great video!
@user-oj4fm4tl7t
@user-oj4fm4tl7t Месяц назад
Pinch point vs plot point great explanation!
@ticijevish
@ticijevish 6 дней назад
The Embryo method is the same as Dan Harmon's story circle.
@MrShritz
@MrShritz Месяц назад
As someone whose first draft of a novel was slain and rejected recently, this is very helpful and informative. But what about Kurt Vonneguts Storyarc theory?
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
That's another good one! I could probably do a whole other video on ones I didn't mention here.
@MrShritz
@MrShritz Месяц назад
@@Bookfox Please do :)
@Chubby-cat-
@Chubby-cat- Месяц назад
Very interesting, thank you ! What story structure would you use if you were to write a murder story ?
@The3dge
@The3dge Месяц назад
Fun. So many cuts… how long did this take to make?
@bearhill6087
@bearhill6087 Месяц назад
Amazing stuff! Question: How would you say these shapes fit into stories that follow multiple POVs? Do you add more dimensions to an individual shape, or fill out multiple outlines? Neither?
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
I think each character has a storyline that can follow one of these shapes.
@joeybaxter7354
@joeybaxter7354 Месяц назад
I used to view you editors as the enemy but now I see youre my best ally 😌🥃
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
We are on your side!
@zeded6935
@zeded6935 Месяц назад
So looking for alaska follows which kind of plot ???
@tehufn
@tehufn Месяц назад
The story embryo looks a little like the infamous hero's journey. Are they similar?
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
Similar, but also distinctly different.
@ajiththomas2465
@ajiththomas2465 День назад
The Story Embryo is actually Dan Harmon's Circle, which in my opinion is the best and most flexible universal story structure because of how it can be used from scenes all the way to whole stories.
@marikothecheetah9342
@marikothecheetah9342 6 дней назад
That was hilarious. 😄
@keithparker1346
@keithparker1346 14 дней назад
These structures are umplying you make your story fut that structure regardless...a little contrary to art
@AmanCreatesArt
@AmanCreatesArt Месяц назад
More RU-vidrs should do their videos from hot tubs! 😄
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
Ha ha! Just trying to create some variety!
@davidwaldheim1147
@davidwaldheim1147 Месяц назад
Hilarious!
@JeetKunDrawYT
@JeetKunDrawYT Месяц назад
ye lo the algorithm provideth that I may eat
@AlexeyShort
@AlexeyShort Месяц назад
Это тоже не помогает.
@kardovaisi4291
@kardovaisi4291 Месяц назад
I'm really into this video but there is sth wrong with the audio, sounds like you're sitting at the end of a tunnel
@katherine1304
@katherine1304 5 дней назад
what he did was cool! the audio wasn’t perfect but that’s how people learn and he’s a fairly new channel. I’m so confident he’s gonna blow up as a writing RU-vidr and he’ll refine his production along the way!
@eesakhan6164
@eesakhan6164 13 дней назад
I feel like you just lied about the structure of Romeo and Juliet but ok
@dracosduckus
@dracosduckus 23 дня назад
Good overview of various story structures - only annoying factor is the dialogue between the two characters - people will be deliberately skipping the dialogue to get to the essence of each piece of information. A simple 1-person presenter display would have been fine. Keep up the good work, though. Just be mindful that people may find the segues a bit unnecessary.
@HardKillaz
@HardKillaz Месяц назад
Subbed
@Bookfox
@Bookfox Месяц назад
Thank you! Hope you enjoy the next videos I've got coming up.
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