10:27 I think the mystic joke is: A mystic goes into a sandwich shop. The sandwich maker asks, what do you want? The mystic replies "Make me one with everything"
"And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world, nor in the world to come. Either make the tree good and its fruit good: or make the tree evil, and its fruit evil. For by the fruit the tree is known. O generation of vipers, how can you speak good things, whereas you are evil? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of a good treasure bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of an evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matt. 12:32-37
My favourite is the one featured on JRE about the psychedelic mushrooms 😆 The power of wishful thinking is very strong with this one. Some ppl are trying really hard to normalize usage of various substances through proving that humanity was always high anyways and it was beneficial. I would say that most civilizations in which substance consumption was widely practiced, often also as a form of religious rituals, were not and still aren’t very successful in the scale of the world...
Survive the Jive(even tho he's a pagan) has a good video on Ancient Cannabis Cults on his YT channel. It's pretty interesting to say the least, but to your point I think the drugs were not a normalized thing for the average commoner but more-so gurus/elites within different religious structures around the world. After all I think they all thought these natural drugs and stuff were divinely sent.
@@sunwheels I agree that in most case drugs were probably used mainly by the priests. But on the other hand, it depends who are we speaking about. Some Native Americans, European pagans ( i do not mean Greeks or Romans) some Asian and African ppl, used drugs more commonly. I would say these particular cultures were not very successful. The ones that did do well and developed math, alphabet, philosophy etc were usually more strict and order focused societies. Thanks for the video recommendation. It sounds very interesting and I’ll check it out for sure:)
Cannabis used in temple worship is another researcher finding. Maybe frankincense or myrrh gives a high. Then again you can get “high” from whatever sugar, caffeine, even sniffing glue.
“They’re not successful because the Christians killed them all man!” I used to take mushrooms and all that. Actually the last time I took them I was really getting back into my Catholic faith and had a pretty religious experience. But they are so, so dangerous and can very easily lead you down a wrong path. So many people think of them like medicine but that is a cope. You don’t need them. Beware of unearned wisdom.
I've heard most of these theories (except the "Ceasar-approved Jesus" one) over the course of my life, back when I was an atheist. Worst thing I actually kind of believed them and found them really interesting. Now these are just really frustrating. You won't believe how many people actually think that the Da Vinci Code stuff is real. You won't believe how often I've heard the "The Church tried to hide that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and had children!" or the classic "The Church removed the REAL gospels / The Church invented Jesus to gain power and control the people" when trying to talk about Jesus and the resurrection. I also vividly remember a tv report on the German "science show" Galileo that I watched as a teen, telling us what probably REALLY happened. According to them Jesus didn't die, the people at the crucifixion just thought He was dead because He fell into a coma. And how did He fall into a coma? The vinegar soaked sponge they gave Him was actually just a strong sedative. So when they buried Him in the tomb He wasn't actually dead, just comatose. After a few days He woke up and just walked out causing people to think that he rose from the dead. And after that Jesus moved to India for some reason. Really wacky stuff, wish I could find it again. It's kind of a mix between #5 and #2 from this video.
@@rezr5448 I'd like to think that most of these people don't mean any harm and just don't know any better. They probably never spent any time looking into their beliefs. So I wouldn't go as far as to say that they " gotta justify their degenerate desires" which I think is a bit harsh. Most of these misconceptions you could explain by simply assuming ignorance on their part. I mean there was a point where I didn't know any better until God opened my heart and mind to the truth, which I'm unbelievably thankful for. I think we should just strive to clear up these misconceptions wherever we may encounter them in a loving way.
Jesus taught a version of what the Pharisees taught. The idea the Romans created or strongly altered Christianity is ridiculous. (Likely, the powerful Sadducees, who didn't believe in resurrection and basically were atheists, and Romans were more who Jesus's movement were nonviolently and smartly protesting against.) Maybe the Romans saw Christians as useful by some point, but this opened the door for the Church to transform the Empire and Western civilization and history. Jesus and the Church were and are vessels for the Holy Spirit.
Interesting Are u Catholic now?? I’m just curious, what made you change sides ??? You seem well informed on the claims against Christianity So what prompted you to change??
The coma theory and the ‘swoon’ theory are perhaps the weakest theories in disproving the Resurrection. Anyone with a base idea of Roman crucifixions can tell ya how brutal the whole thing is. Between the beatings, blood loss, asphyxiation, thorns, dragging wood to the site, and a spear through the side, no way would Jesus be walking out his tomb on his own feet.
@@crossbearer6453I try to keep it as short as possible, but it was a long process over the last 9 years. I had a religious experience of "seeing God" while I was in the hospital that made me stop being an atheist (at least kind of, I tried to talk myself out of it for a long time, the "my brain just misfired or something", "I'm going crazy", "It was just a hallucination/psychosis"). After that I took a few years to read all the main religious texts (Bible, Quran, several Buddhist and Hindu texts) and some books on philosophy and and religious experiences (can really recommend 'The Varieties Of Religious Experience' by William James, some of the testimonies captured in this book describe my own religious experience pretty well). After that I kind of lost track of God and my search for Him again, got lost in drugs and alcohol. When I reached another really low point in my life there I met God again, helping me get back to Him. That's when I started studying Christianity more in depth. The search ultimately led me to Catholicism and I was baptised this Easter. I thank God every day that He saved me, but it's still a fight and a struggle. But God has giving me all the things that I have really needed and missed all my life, the things that I tried to fill and replace with sin, drugs, alcohol, porn and just general hedonism. God has freely given me purpose, hope and love in this life. And I can't imagine what He has in store for us in the next life! What about you? From your name I can assume that you're a Christian as well. How did you come to Christ? Hope you have a blessed day, if you want to know more I'll try to answer it to the best of my abilities.
@@stephenjohnson7915 Jordan Peterson is wrong on many things tho. He views Christianity as a psychological/ effective philosophical system and God to him is like just a man made symbol of meta truth. I don’t think this line of argument can change Joes perspective.
Church of saints established by Jesus under the stewardship of Peter has nothing to do with the pagan romans which is precisely opposite to what the satanic cult believing protestants of sola scriptura a man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man, usually think .
“The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies.” -Robert Conquest’s 3rd rule of politics
When Jesus is rejected in his own town the people there pretty much describe his "hidden life", he's just the carpenter's son, his mother's name is Mary, etc. The gospels attest he was known there as a common person, not a world travelling guru.
I cringe at hearing such things referred to as "theories." For something to be a theory, it must have factual support. Not so with these nonsense ideas and junk history.
The Da Vinci Code has successfully planted seeds of doubt in countless Catholics.. received a question regarding the "hidden gospels in the Vatican" at my Bible study a few weeks ago. Is there a book / other resource that cogently debunks the wacky claims of the Da Vinci Code?
Look up Jimmy Akin's podcast on the Davinci Code. Loooooooong story short, the Dan Brown novel is based of an English book from the mid 20'th century whose author was fooled by an earlier French fraud who claimed to be the rightful king of France.
I read the da Vinci Code Back when I was 14 and found it really really cool, but I never thought it was real. I mean, I wanted it to be real and I felt all kinds of intelligent for reading it and because "omg I'm totally like the protagonist", but still, I knew it was just a detective thriller. In my mind, the author made it clear it was just detective fantasy (although I guess I never really knew that, just thought I did). It wasn't until very recently that I found out there's people who took it as some sort of academic work.
I find it amusing that Constantine is blamed for everything people don’t like about the church. They make him the one who supposedly suppresses all other religions, when all he did was make Christianity legal. They seem to make him the inventor of orthodoxy, when what he really wanted was for the bishops to decide the question of Jesus’ nature one way or the other. There are even certain compromises that he was willing to accept as long as it made things peaceful again. Even some Christians blame him for not upholding complete separation of church and state, when that concept was itself utterly foreign to the world until very recently.
Something about the phrase "independent scholar" at 14:00 sounds like someone trying to legitimize their fringe theories, though I may be mistaken. Neat video, Trent. Seems like so many people have concepts of Jesus that are so strange, but after all their "research" they can't just accept Him for Who He is.
Well yes because if is common within academia that means it's not fringe, but the lysenkoist/worship black people religion is not fringe, it's quite mainstream
Independence is just a word of something that doesn't really exist, when you really look at things everything and everyone is dependent on others, it's a long list so here's a couple of examples a self employed man or woman is dependent on customers and manufacturers if they have something that needs to be made like vacuum cleaners ect, customers for window cleaners ect, we're dependent on builders to build our homes and shops and so on, and in nature flowers ect are dependant on bees to help with pollination and mankind is dependent on bees for honey, there's literally 1000s of examples I could give, but the ultimate dependence is mankind's on God
It's just a scholar who is basically unemployed, he wasn't able to find a position, a grant or something. But I reckon some wacko with some dubious knowledge could also call themselves an "independent scholar", so the phrase can designate a somewhat dubious personage in this case. So it's either a fraud or a legitimate but unemployed scholar.
Glad you got around to this. Please do a tear down of “Christ Consciousness” and the influence of Alice Bailey and Helena Blavatsky on the likes of Santos Bonacci and Mark Passio
There was also a guy in China that was salty that he failed an imperial exam (that allowed one to become a state official), so he claimed to be Jesus's younger brother and revolted against the emperor, establishing a short-lived "heavenly kingdom" and spread a weird hybrid of protestantism and Chinese folk beliefs. Look up Hong Xiuquan and the Taiping Rebellion.
I am the 2nd coming to Earth, Jesus Christ! It's true, according to my parents, because growing up they always called me, "JESUS CHRIST"!!! As in- JESUS CHRIST, what are you doing on the roof with the cat? JESUS CHRIST, why did you camouflage your younger brother's face with magic markers! Jesus Christ, did you eat all the ice cream!!! So, that's my evidence, and JESUS CHRIST, I'm sticking to it!
The weirdest thing about the mushroom one is why would they need to use coded language when that kind of cult wasnt that weird in the Roman empire? Did they want to get persecuted by the Romans as a joke?
Psychedelic substances has potential to drastically change the shape of the mental health field in the next decade, but I think those who ascribe to the "all religions came from psychedelics" theory will make people of faith skeptical of them.
Unfortunately, these are not just "wacky" theories but constitute the heretical basis for some of today's religions like Krishna Hinduism, Islam, and Mormonism.
I really wish Rogan would stop having myth artists on his podcast just so he can platform unfounded theories about Christianity. Just once, let an Christian academic like Peter J. Williams, Brant Pitre, or someone who actually knows what their talking about. Challenge your atheist dogma Rogan.
A small mistake. It was Pliny the Younger, the nephew, who described Christians in an official letter to the Emperor Trajan. The older Pliny, in spite of being the author of the most impressive encyclopedia of the ancient world, never seems to mention Christians.
many years ago, i dated a girl who was buddhist, and her dad was the one who told me about the "Jesus in India" wacky theory. i didn't argue with him, but just listened, because hey, i was dating his daughter. LOL
You should do a more in depth debunking of the Sacred Cross and the Mushroom. It almost made me lose my faith. It’s also heavily promoted by New Agers who think that psychedelics lead to enlightenment. One of these new agers who promote the book is a RU-vidr named “Dakota of Earth”, he has a large following which isn’t good because of the amount of people that he’s misleading. He also thinks that the burning bush that Moses saw was actually him smoking DMT.
The Caesar-approved Christ reminded me about a former co-worker of mine that was into this one very specific online article against Catholicism called "Flavian Dynasty" (at least to the effect of that title, I don't remember the exact title). It was on this conspiracy-looking website called "the pastavarian" and I'd like to see Trent to cover that article. I knew it was bunk especially after see the website's title, but he might already cover the topic since the article was centered about the notion of Constantine founded the Church.
Great! Now, how do we get you on Timcast to school Ian Crossland on all of this? I need you, Jimmy Akin, and Jonathan Pageau on there, not necessarily together, but that could be fun too. 😄
Another group of texts that has attracted a lot of wacky theories are the Dead Sea Scrolls, which you alluded to in your discussion of allegro. In the 90s I felt like I was constantly mopping up after all the silly publications.
if you want something extremely silly, you should check out Walter William's take! you see. not only was jesus a myth, but the myth of jesus was created as an attempt to add Serapis to the ancient egyptian religion, which is identical to christianity, just with different names stapled on. this was all a plan to create a religion for europeans, because europeans had no religion before christianity. I made none of this up. there is aman who believes this, who some people take seriously.
Trent I’m glad you are covering rogan. I think when he had Aaron Rodgers on they talked about phsycodelics and such. And how the Catholic Church banned a the sacred mushroom and the cross. I’m not catholic but I thought it was a bit far fetched.
Thanks for this Trent. It's a good way to decompress every so often from the more intense and serious and sophisticated fallacies and heresies out there
Then there's the crazy one from Aomori prefecture that says Jesus' brother died on the cross and Jesus himself moved to Japan and is buried in a town called Shingo. That one's pretty wacky.
Robert Price will happily debunk other "skeptics" while attempting to publicly remain friends with them and support them as a common opponent of orthodoxy/tradition. at least that's my impression of him... I guess that's not so far off from a lot of academics. argue yes, but it's nothing personal.
You didn’t mention the Brian Muraresku book about the mushroom cult! That was a very strong Joe Rogan episode that had a lot of biochemical evidence behind it. Definitely worth addressing.
Have you done anything on the stuff in Zeitgeist or Religulous? I think that's the one I hear the most. That's a lot of studying for me to do and I love your insight.
I think Jesus done two things when He lived in Galilee during His hidden years. One He was a Rabbi instructing people in the Torah which I believe people were willing to listen what He had to say later on during His public ministry. And two being the son of a carpenter He would had learned the trade from St. Joseph and worked as a carpenter to provide for His Mother. I don't believe Jesus traveled outside of Palestine well other than Egypt. And of course I don't believe Jesus had siblings or was ever married. He was the last of the line of David if He had siblings or children than there would've been an heir to be King otherwise the Messiah.
An idea I really like that comes from the ancient Gnostic or Esoteric Christian texts is the description of the Father. And this applies to all of those who try to pigeon hole Him into some idea or mystery of truth that belongs only to them. He has no name, since there was none before Him to name Him. He is in no place, because He is in every place and every place is within Him. He comprehends everything, yet nothing can comprehend Him. He is a Father to Himself, because he has no Father and is the Father of everything. Let mystery stay a mystery. Let the Glory be for Him.
I blame a "fractionated" JP who is vaudevillean yet wacky. Aimless and hopeless..uncommitted yet Trudeauesque in principle and language. JP is the ultimate in a lack of communication Intended to obfuscate.
According to Roman sources, crucifixion was an execution of torture and a slow death, dying on the cross lasted several days and many were alive for a week before giving up and died of inflammation and infection. During the time of the Roman Empire, they tried to slow down the death on the cross in every way, for example, adding a crossbar to the stake made it easier to breathe and the seat reduced the burden of the weight. And according to the Bible, Pilate was surprised when Jesus died in just a few hours, this was due to the fact that it was not usual, so it is no wonder that theories arise according to which Jesus faked his death, was buried alive and survived.
In fairness to Rogan, I think he just talks about what he's heard and doesn't have a ton of strongly held beliefs himself. I don't think he's ever presenting any theological ideas as his theological ideas.
As a Free-thinking Christian, I believe believe in the Trinity and so on, but I do NOT believe that it is binding and that people will go to hell if they don't believe a certain way about it.
The idea that true knowledge comes from far away has been around for thousands of years. The fact that Jesus stayed local is a point towards him being for real..
I highly doubt that Joseph died when Jesus was twelve. I think he died once Jesus was an adult. Because there needed to be a man to protect and care for mother and child. Just because he isn’t mentioned afterwards doesn’t mean he wasn’t there.
Rome has some sculptures that poorly represent animals because the artist had only heard descriptions third hand and never saw one. This is similar to your mushroom and palm tree comment.
Agama saya asal mulanya dari Jerusalem Catholic, bukan Budha, Budha bukan nenek moyang agama saya, jika percaya Budha, mendingan Islam masih memiliki keyakinan sama yang percaya Allah dan nama Nabinya semua sama dan Tuhan mengatakan sama saya, Jesus berasal dari Timor tengah keturunan Arab
I always think that St Joseph died around the time Our Lord was in his twenties. there is no reason to think that St Joseph was old when he married the Holy Virgin. (c.f. Brant Pitre explained St Luke uses the Greek word for 'man' in regards to St Joseph meaning he was in his late 20s to 40s there were different Greek words for 'man' depending on the age).
There's plenty of reason to think that Joseph was an older man, including tradition itself. It is okay to trust it. In addition,a young man marrying a young woman who had taken a perpetual vow of virginity is difficult to imagine. Not impossible, but difficult. An older man, perhaps already widowed looking for a replacement mother for existing children or companionship is much easier to see as a choice.
I always figured Joseph died when Jesus was in his twenties. That gave him time to teach Jesus carpentry enough to support himself and Mary once Joseph passed away. There’s also a tradition I heard about Jewish men leaving their father’s profession around 30, which is about when Jesus entered his public ministry. This would be a symbolic transition of Jesus taking on God the Father’s task for him while still honoring Joseph, his foster father.
@@atrifle8364 Father Donald Calloway makes a great case for a young St. Joseph. I highly encourage you to read his book “Consecration to St. Joseph: The Wonders of our spiritual father.” God bless you.
It's been my experience that people that make these ridiculous heretical theories want to convince themselves they are true rather than submit to the will of God. I've tried arguing with them and it's "in one ear and out the other."
Huh, I hadn't heard that mushroom thing before. It instantly made me think of the Dog Fashion Disco song Mushroom Cult, sung by Serj Tankian. I wonder if that theory influenced the song...or maybe they were just really high. _"Inside the moon lives the high priest of the mushroom cult"_ _"Upon the altar are the ashes of the pharisees"_ _"I've sold my soul, sold my soul, sold my soul away"_ _"I'm free of guilt, free of sin, free of everything"_
I always find it weird when the theory is that one random guy knew the truth of Christianity's beginning over a thousand years later while no one else of his time knew (DaVinci or a random painting with what looks like a mushroom)
@ 22:47 Now I can really say, too much Symbolism can lead to so much Hypnotism... The Words Spoken by God are Spirits, not just mere Symbols... When we read the Words of God, we must treat it as Spiritual, beyond Symbolic... The Sacred Scriptures are Not Symbolism Alone But About Spirituality... @ 23:00 If we make this more appropriate, the Chariot is the Passive one & the Active one is that which Drives the Chariot, or simply means, the Chariot Driver; The same goes for the Cross and the one who takes up the Cross and carries it... The one who is Active will always be the one who Acts On something while the one who is Passive will always be the one who Passes Down something...
Trent, the 5th example you provided with the India visit...was in the Novel: Lamb. It's another "gospel" of Jesus' childhood friend Biff. Totally fiction and funny, I thought.
There is a French philosopher, Michel Onfray, who kind of champions the view that the Jesus conspiracy has been a literary endeavor1000+ years in the making , with all the prophets being in on the take for stronger effect.
Many respected scholars and great minds absolutely lost their minds on psychedelics during the height of LSD like Timothy Leary and Mark Lilly. My guess is Allegro similarly lost touch with reality.
