I once heard a priest give a simple analogy... soap was invented to cleanse us of our dirt, but if I dont use it, I will still be dirty.. in the same way, the sacrifice of Jesus is applicable only if the disciple accepts it and continues to cleans himself of the daily sin by asking for forgiveness through the sacraments..
So like any other Catholic, you clearly don’t believe that “It is finished!” If you did, you’d realize that the sacraments and the Mass of the RCC don’t do a thing for a person.
It always astonishes me how much the Scriptures disagrees with penal substitution, forensic justification and OSAS forms of doctrines, yet we're the ones that get called the ones that don't believe in what God revealed through the Bible.
Agreed. God had me look into every local church when I came back to Christ I firmly believe just to love me back the the true Church. I went to their bible studies and all. Tbh I feel bad by how little doctrine they understand. That's when I realized. Sad it took all that but it was with a reason. God always reveals the truth.
I think there's a lot of things in scripture that you can't find in most protestant churches. Divorce and remarriage, confession, warning of unworthy partaking of the eucharist, purification before getting to heaven, exorcism, etc.... its like these guys claim to follow the scripture but where's this or the rapture stuff? Where did you get the Bible? I wonder if they even think about that stuff. Or if a Baptist reads "baptism now saves" and thinks nah. I was talking ro good friend of mine that just started to believe in God and just read the scriptures for the first time. I've known him 15 years.... we were talking about how sin can be overcome that it's not just a figure of speech. I went to the part in scripture where Jesus says" heaven rejoices for 1 sinner that repents more than 99 who have no need of repentence" i said "how many people do you think are alive that have no need of repentence? " Multiple times scripture says "turn from sin, sin no more" look at how angry the lord is revelation for the churches tolerance of grave sin in their community. He said "that's like me telling my kids to clean their room. I walk in and it's 90% clean. I won't start spanking them for not obeying me to the letter. I'd reward them i think jesus is giving us an impossible standard and hoping we just do our best." My response was how on earth do you get that from scripture? You're refuting jesus based on what you would Do. He quoted romans 3 like a mic drop moment and hasn't responded to anything else I've said.
@Timbo Slice No, they never do. You kissed everything like a pro. I was brought up on catechism and I was unaware of partaking of eucharist if uncontested sins. I left shortly after confirmation as my parents git sick of taking me. I was the one wanting to go. Now, I can say from experience to never ever do that as judgment falls swiftly. I went through the dark night of the soul and was brought full circle. You'd be surprised by how many catholic churches are giving the eucharist without it. When I heard that bit I called my local church and asked why they dint offer it before. The priest accommodated me but they also have had no holy water since CV began and he started talking to me about the 3rd eye, not as in the Bible story how it's sometimes related but in a new age way, old age more like it. Now I have to find yet another church but unril I do, I'll just keep asking him to acclimate for me this next week again. Thank you for your comment.
@@pdxnikki1 Indeed, Christus Victor and other catholic theologies of atonement like the vicarious and the satisfaction atonement are substantially superior to penal substitution and closer to Scared Scripture and Tradition. The entire forensic justification tradition was founded in a terrible mistake.
I realize more and more that efforts to refute Catholic doctrine always force one to make scripture war with scripture. It is finished, but your righteousness must be greater than the Pharisees to see the Kingdom of God. I chose you, but you must abide in me or be plucked out and thrown into the fire. You are saved by faith, but God will render unto everyone a reward according to their works. Catholic understanding of these things leaves no conflict, but Protestantism does.
How does a Catholic explain the differences between Romans 4 and James 2? Or Romans 11:6 “But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.” I’d like to study a Catholic teaching on this.
@@jonathanvickers3881 I have a letter I wrote to my niece about resolving the tension between Paul writing Romans and James with his Epistle. Luther thought it was not reconcilable so he called James the Epistle of Straw
You are mistaken. Unless your righteousness surpasses the pharisees in the (Kingdom of Heaven). I wish you understood what that meant. Adam was supposed to be the substitute for his bride, his life for her death. But Adam chose to blame Eve and not sacrifice himself.
@@jonathanvickers3881 Easy. Catholics understand there is no difference, they are talking about the same thing, complementing each other rather than opposing each other [which is the typical rookie protestant mistake], they are simply explaining how the whole deal goes. In other words, Catholics don't believe is on the basis of works, but that works is what is expected from us to do in order to retrieve the gift of Salvation Jesus paid for us. In other words, no amount of work is going to justify you by itself, indeed, for the value of His Glory is infinite, we can't pay infinite, except with something else of equal infinite value itself [which is what Jesus did for us]. So far so good... But that doesn't mean they are going to send it your door [so to speak], you still have to make an effort to go pick it up [works], while faith is knowing where to pick it up.
@@jonathanvickers3881 Grace is prior to everything in Catholic theology. Grace is what gives us faith. Faith is what moves us to works. Faith that works through love. God gives us Grace because he loves us. We learn to love God in order to properly receive that grace. God's grace calls us to do good works. God does not expect the same works from everyone, but only that we do works in equivalence to the grace he gave us to enable those works. We can see this in the Parable of the Talents in Matthew 25. The works are not meritorious, but we do them because of our own love of God. And we are enabled to do them by God. A refusal to do good works when we are able to do them is a refusal of the grace God is trying to give us. That is why we work. Having talked to Protestants, I don't even think the Catholic position and most Protestants are in opposition. I think the main misunderstanding is Protestants believe we must meet God's grace with faith in God, but Catholics believe we must meet God's grace with love for God. The only true "work" required of us is to love God with all of heart, soul, and mind and to love others in the same way that we love God. That is an unconditional, familial, sacrificial love.
When Jesus "it is finished' on the cross, I think that he is refering to the fact that the Old Testant covenant is finished. The New covenant is beginning.
The more I get into the differences, it seems like Protestants go out of their way to disagree with the Church. I have accidently offended them at work when I felt safe to open my mouth about God when they were already talking about it. I had no idea about some of their hard lines. It is like racism but towards Catholics with some of them. It is really weird.
Yeah their antagonism towards everything Catholic is so visceral all that’s missing is for their eyes to turn red with anger. I think their antagonism is demonic.
It's because we understand the roots of the ROMAN Catholic "Church " Your founders hunted down and burned alive those who translated the Greek parchments into English and then realized and educated people on the fact that the RCC's Vulgate was wrong. They burned accurate English translations. Why? m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-O5ZgR6DqTPY.html
Good stuff! Love these short, concise, & clear scripture-backed explanations that harmonize with all scriptures from cover to cover AND harmonize with 1st century Jewish culture!
@@AmazingFit The Jews are the Jews and are now being gathered in the Holy Land for the soon returning our savior to the Mount Olives near Jerusalem Zechariah 14;4 Acts 1:10-12 ❤ Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ will be forgiven and saved for eternal life forevermore with the Lord Jesus Christ
We sometimes have a language barrier. I think we largely agree Christ's atonement is a full atonement for all. The branch that believes in limited atonement is a small one.
This is such a stupid claim. Why would Jesus waste his time telling us parables and giving us commands how to act if it didn't matter how we act? And if it does matter how we act, why does it? Because good works are necessary in order to confirm our faith? I thought that that was the very thing many Protestants deny.
And he out right says to DO as the pharisees say, but not as they do. Meaning their instructions/laws are true, but they failed to practice as they preached and their pride and intentions were the problem. A pitfall that is so easy for us all to fall into.
You misunderstand what us Protestants believe. While our actions do not contribute to our salvation, our actions are still important. For because we are saved, we are inspired to do good works. This is the evidence by which we know we are saved. If we are not saved, there are no good works that will follow. Instead of works being necessary for salvation, they are evidence of salvation. For if salvation was by works, then we are no longer saved by grace, and the death of Jesus on the cross serves no purpose.
61 I Am Present in the Eucharist despite the misinterpretation of My Promise Thursday, April 14th, 2011 @ 00:05 My dearly beloved daughter, do not worry. You are improving in the way you are setting time aside in prayer to Me. Now it is important that man understands that in order to come closer to My Heart, he must understand the need to receive the Sacrament of the Most Holy Eucharist. Many people, including other Christian groups, deny My Real Presence in the Eucharist. Why they have decided to deny the promises I made at My Last Supper, where I promised I would give My Flesh and Blood as Food and Nourishment for your souls, is unclear. What is clear is that the Miracle of the Holy Eucharist, Present in all Tabernacles all over the world, Exists today, and is there to fill your poor, undernourished and empty souls with My Presence. This Presence will strengthen you in ways, that, were you to miss receiving Me once you get used to this, you will feel lost. Many Christians ignore one of the most fundamental promises I made during My Crucifixion, where I would be Present in Bread and Wine and leave a permanent mark to help nourish souls. Too much human reasoning has meant that I have been rejected by even well meaning Christians. These same Christians cannot receive the Holy Eucharist in its True Form. The Most Holy Eucharist was given to you all as a great Gift for your redemption and salvation. By rejecting the fact that I Am Present, means that you are forfeiting special graces, which are part of a pact to bring Me even closer into your hearts. Remember, when I died for you, it was to lead you to towards eternal life and salvation. Receive Me as the Living Presence and your souls will alight in ways you would not have believed possible. Turn back to receiving My Body and Blood. Let Me remove your doubts. This is one of the biggest mistakes Christians have made, by denying Me entry to their souls in this way. It greatly offends My Eternal Father because of the Sacrifice involved to save your souls. Let Me bring Light and nourishment into your lives. You will be more inclined to accept the Truth of My Teaching after The Warning takes place. Remember what I promised during My Last Supper that when you take the bread and wine it will become for you My Body and My Blood.* Any other interpretation has been distorted by human logic and reasoning. Now understand and accept the Truth. Your loving Saviour, Jesus Christ *For clarification on the Doctrine of Transubstantiation please refer to the Message given on Friday, June 1, 2012 08:15 PM “When the antichrist devours all religions the only weapons which he will be powerless against is the Holy Mass and the Transubstantiation of the bread and wine into My Body and Blood, in the Holy Eucharist.”
@@Gamerboy365ify "While our actions do not contribute to our salvation, our actions are still important." Important for what? Salvation? Yes, so your first assertion is therefore false by your own reasoning. "Instead of works being necessary for salvation, they are evidence of salvation." Is the 'evidence' necessary? Yes, so again your first assertion is therefore false by your own reasoning. "For if salvation was by works, then we are no longer saved by grace, and the death of Jesus on the cross serves no purpose." You are putting forth a false dichotomy which pits faith and works against each other. This is not what the Bible teaches. It teaches they go together and are complimentary. Now, in setting up the false dichotomy, you introduce the false premise that someone somewhere teaches "salvation by works," which no one does who is even remotely Christian. What you are doing is falsely claiming that any suggestion that works are necessary for salvation is equivalent to "salvation *by* works." This is obviously untrue since we are told to do good works and told that we will be judged by our works. Furthermore, no one teaches that we are not saved by grace, so your false conclusion that "the death of Jesus on the cross serves no purpose" is a way of gaslighting Christians who hold to the truth. The Church has always taught that grace is necessary for any good work, so anything good is always credited to God since, "You can do nothing without Me." But every human being has free will, and so MUST voluntarily cooperate with God's grace at all times in order to do God's will and please Him and remain in the state of grace and grow in holiness.
Trying to remember how Patrick Madrid put it-- something like, all of humanity has been redeemed through Christ's death, but not all will be saved. Really do love Scott Hahn's "The Fourth Cup" such an amazing read during Lent. Still have to read "The Jewish Roots of the Eucharist" feel like there will be a lot of overlap...
Thank you Trent. Your video's are one of the reasons I am making the journey back to Catholicism. I have been attending some Protestant churches over the last few years on and off. Suffice to say, I always felt very uneasy at the message being preached there of "it being paid in full". If that is the case then hell should not exist...yet most Protestants believe there is a hell. But I am greatful for videos like this!
@@Madalion-rf8ln but its also the best move, the only sensible logical rational reasonable move....after all the Catholic Church is ancient historic holy Christendom
Jesus Christ is head of Catholic Church and his spirit is alive in the Church. Many fallible men have challenged protested debated and even blasphemy against Catholic Church and walk away from the truth. Even after 500 years of protest teaching of Jesus Christ many men still believes servant is greater than a master. Peter on this Rock I will build My Church and gates of hell will not prevail against My Church. He never break his promise.
I love the Catholic view of Jesus's atonement being enough for everyone. The Calvinist view of limited atonement is so dark by comparison. Jesus really does love all and His death really was enough for all people.
When protestants preach me about this belief of theirs, I tell them, "We are all saved but we will still be judged and how we are judged are clearly stated in the Bible." Thank you Trent. This is wonderful.
It is indeed clearly stated in the Bible. Let's see: For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. John 3:17,18 Here Jesus says: "Whoever believes in him is not condemned", while those who don't are "condemned already". Protestants understand this is a clear teaching that those who believe in Jesus will never be condemned. Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. Apocalypse 20:11-15 Here we see a description of how the judgement will take place. It is clear that those who have their names written in the Lamb's book of life are not condemned, while the dead that don't are thrown into the lake of fire. Protestants understand this to mean that those who believed and were saved have their names written in the book of life, and therefore shall not be condemned. That is not to say protestants believe the saints won't have to go through any kind of judgement, for Rm 14:12 says: So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God. However, Paul explains in 1st Corinthians that: For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person's work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved -even though only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Co 3:11-15 Protestants understand this to mean that the saints will go through judgement of their works, however it is impossible for them to be condemned to the lake of fire, as they might "suffer loss but yet will be saved" even though their bad works will be destroyed. The faithful, in turn shall be rewarded for their good deeds. This is not meant to defend "Protestant doctrine" (whatever that means), but to show that the response you gave, that "We are all saved but we will still be judged and how we are judged are clearly stated in the Bible" does nothing to rebuke Protestant teaching. Judgement of the saints is acknowledged by protestants and understood, generally, as I pointed out.
@@IsaacBenevides Paul's gospel's does not teach what Jesus and the Apostles have taught . Their are 12 real Apostles and Jesus said he will bless them with chairs to his throne in heaven , in one of Peter's lost letters from Clementine of Rome that Paul was his worst enemy , Jesus said I came to fulfill the law and you must Obey and keep the commandments .
Hi Trent, James White and Jeff Durbin recently did a debate with Brandon Robertson. Wanted to suggest that you post a review of the debate from a Catholic perspective. Would be very interesting. Thanks for all you do!
Thank you Trent. I don’t know why people make it so difficult to understand. They are subtle parts of the same process. For example, justification is your father giving you a car (righteousness/salvation) and sanctification is you and your father maintaining the car (cooperation with grace). You need to have a car to maintain a car, and you need to maintain a car to keep a car. The gift and the maintenance are intrinsically linked to each other in the ultimate goal of possessing the car. I think kids understand this better than adults.
Jesus:. "It is finished" - 'Nothing else is needed, it's paid in full...except I must still die, enter the realm of the dead, have the Father resurrect me, and I continue to stay with my disciples to further give them tradition, and then I need to Ascend to my Father to send the Advocate for Pentecost...but aside from that...there is nothing else needed...that is unless you take into account baptisms that need to happen for future believers...but aside from that... there's nothing else needed.... except for one other thing...and this is it, I'm telling you. You must also receive me in the Eucharist...to consume the New Covenant. It is finished.'
That's your Catholic explanation. The protestants' explanation is, it is finished; you have nothing to do. Enter into the kingdom of heaven whether you are a murderer or not; whether you are a pervert or not..... no distinction, no questions asked, no accountability, no responsibility. Just remember that Jesus paid it all for you are saved by unmerited free gift of God.
@@justthink8952 Is this supposed to make the Protestant view sound bad? All who want to be with God now can be, that’s the unbelievably good news of the gospel
@@lebeccthecomputer6158 If what I wrote about the position of protestants were wrong, then will the opposite must be correct like Jesus finished the work required for salvation but you still have to do something more. You still have to add more to the finished work of Christ. The finished work of Jesus is not enough for your salvation. The finished work does not really mean it is finished once and for all. Salvation is an unmerited free gift of God which is given only if certain conditions are fulfilled by way of personal merit. It is free for those who believe and trust in the saving work of Christ but it is not free for the rest. Believe and work are not merits and hence it does not change the meaning of the phrase "unmerited free gift" of God. Can the above reasoning be acceptable? I think not.
@@michaelverde4844 Jesus died for all - infants, children, old man, young man, sane people, insane people. No one is more qualified than the other such that some deserve saving by Jesus while others don't need intervention by Jesus. Everyone needs Salvation through Christ. One formula does not fit all. We were not qualified to be in friendship with God. So Jesus came down to our human level by becoming man. He can come down to the level of infants , children, insane people just as circumcision of infants by a priest made them to be a Jew.
Hello Trent, I recently saw a video from a channel called “Bible Reader”, the guy that runs it puts out sedevecantist content. He recently posted a video about the new mass being a “protestant service” and I was wondering if we could get a rebuttal to his arguments. He features a guy there in the beginning who claims to be a sedevecantist priest, so I figured this one might be interesting. Thanks Trent!
Lol the invitations to like at the videos' start gets me doing it - not because I'm asked, just because I'm reminded that I like hearing everything Trent's got to say.
Tetelestai (it is complete) is a form of a word that appears in the Septuagint Greek version of Genesis as suntelesen (God completed his work). It was the sixth day.
This is a great video, I’m a protestant, but I think this is so helpful. I’m not quite at the point where I would say. (as I am assuming a lot of Catholics might say, and I do ““, that we are saved through faith in Christ and then we must cooperate with the Holy Spirit to stay saved. Pardon me if that is an incorrect, framing of the Catholic position. Generally, I think the Protestant position, at least the modern one, is that you were saved when you believe, and God keeps, you saved, and the salvation has absolutely nothing to do with your salvation, good works, and sanctification progressive throughout the rest of your life are fruit , or evidence of salvation, which is never in jeopardy because God keeps you saved. But my proposal is that it’s actually a blend of the two, because as I read the New Testament whenever salvation is discussed, anchors the verb with us as God‘s creation, it always anchors the verbs in what God does. so what if it was the case that in order to be saved, we must abide in Christ and grow and be sanctified as we become more like Christ throughout our life and of course, this all happens after we have Believed in him, and at least in someway, God sanctifies us and keeps us in the faith. This would explain why Jesus says that all that the father gives to him, not one of them will pass through his hands. This explains why. Paul asks Will, not the one who began a good Work you bring it to completion on the day of Christ Jesus? So whether salvation is progressive or instantaneous, we do live out a life from the moment of believing going forward that in one sense does require sanctification and abiding in Christ. just my thoughts.
Excellent video! I've heard James White use this line of argumentation. He says celebrating the mass is like a resacrifice of jesus over and over and a denial of Christ's finished work. Maybe a little silly but it kept me from looking into catholicism for a long time.
Catholicism is silly. 330,000 little boys in France were raped by 3,000 catholic pedophile priests, and it barely made the news, because people EXPECT that from catholics. Jesus said child rape was UNFORGIVABLE (Matt 18:6-14), and everyone who supported it will get eternal damnation. That means every catholic. SIlly to think members of a child rape cult aren't going to hell.
Yeah as the end of the video says, people like Scott Hahn and also Brant Pitre in their books point out the complete opposite. Christ's sacrifice and the Eucharist are directly connected through the view of it being the new Passover, and His last words after drinking the wine (the fourth cup of the ceremony) are a huge part of understanding that. Knowing this really helps one understand and appreciate the importance of the Eucharist on a deeper level, along with the Bread of Life discourse as well.
If Jesus can take bread and say "this is my body" before he was crucified, why can't a priest take the bread obeying his instruction and say "this is Jesus' body" after his resurrection? Faith is taking Jesus at his words. Sometimes we just need to simplify things
1305 Without Me, death of the body and the soul would claim the entire human race Tuesday, January 6th, 2015 @ 19:30 My dearly beloved daughter, when a man turns his back on Me, I weep with great sorrow, but I Am Patient and Forgiving. If he rejects My Word and no longer shows love to others, which he would not do were he to follow in My Footsteps, this causes Me great pain. Still, I Am Patient in the hope he will come back to Me. It is when a man steals souls from Me, and leads them into eternal darkness, that all vengeance is Mine and I will inflict upon him a great punishment. This punishment can be in the form of suffering which will, if he is fortunate to accept his lot with humility, save him. My Mercy is boundless, but when I am defiled, through acts of great cruelty, committed against God’s children, My Anger is to be feared. Know that I will punish My enemies, but this is for their own good and for the salvation of all those with whom they come into contact. Is there any end to which those who despise Me, My Word and My Plan of Salvation; that the proud, arrogant and the ignorant will not stoop to? The answer is that their wickedness is inexhaustible. Never before has the love amongst men been so lacking, as it is now. Not one soul alive in the world is immune to the influence of Satan. Those who mistakenly believe that they are in My Favour, but who treat others harshly, will feel the brunt of My Hand. My Patience is dwindling; My Heart heavy and My Desire to save those who try to destroy others, weary. The cunning of the evil one is beyond your understanding. He will convince even those with the strongest faith to offend Me, through grievous sin, and those with little faith to succumb, even further, into the depths of despair. No one is safe from Satan and unless you pray for My Mercy, offer personal sacrifices to Me, then the destruction of souls will escalate. Millions are being lost to Me at this time and yet not many Christians understand the necessity of prayer. Prayer alone will destroy the influence of the devil and I ask that you increase the time you spend in prayer to weaken the grip he has over the human race. Without My Intervention many millions more souls would be lost. Without My Mercy many of those destined for eternal darkness would never see My Face. Without My Presence in the Holy Eucharist, there would be no life - life of the body as well as the soul. Without Me, death of the body and the soul would claim the entire human race but, because of Me, death will no longer be present in the new world to come. Because I defeated death through My Resurrection, you too will defeat it. Death will not exist in My New Kingdom on earth. The body and the soul will be a living union - a Gift, which must not be rejected. You must never forget My Promise - all those who are with Me and in Me will have everlasting life. Your Jesus
The argument of “it can also be translated as…” really isn’t that significant, as it assumes one can apply the full range of possible translations as equally viable. However, for people who study languages, it’s easy to see how flawed that line of reasoning is; not all possible translations are valid in their context, or do they all even make sense.
Trent was just laying out other translation or arguments..We already know that we should go with the one true Catholic translation. He just didn't want to make a judgment call on other translation like they did against the church...
@@austinchinwe7968 sorry, I should have been more clear. My criticism was against who Trent was referencing regarding "this can also be translated as 'paid in full.'" I wasn't intending to critique Trent himself, as I find his use of different translations more valid and consistent with what the Church has historically held.
Very clearly explained. This is why when we get into discussions about doctrines such as purgatory it's necessary to explain the differences in the Catholic and Protestant views of atonement and justification. They're all tied together and simple proof-texting won't work.
As a Protestant, I hate when people quote "It is finished" as if Jesus was saying that the Atonement was complete, and everything was done. As you pointed out, He had not yet been raised for our Justification. But also, He had not yet died for our sins!! He was, as I understand it, simply saying that the prophesies speaking of His crucifixion had been fulfilled, everything leading up to His death, burial, and resurrection was finished, all that remained was His actual death, burial, resurrection, etc.
@@getrit3007 You quoted Rom 6:5. It talks about what is happening in Baptism. i.e we are REGENERATED at Baptism. Paul says we are baptised INTO Christ. It is "washing of Regeration". Please note it only says that "..have been planted together.." it does NOT say that every body who is planted will remain planted for ever. That is the error of Calvinism.❤
@@getrit3007 John 6:40 "For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who LOOKS on the Son and BELIEVES in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” It does not say once you looked or once you believed. You have to CONTINUE to look to him, my friend.
YAY!!! Thank you for sharing this! I have taught in-depth studies based primarily on Scott Hahn’s “The Lamb’s Supper”, “The Fourth Cup”, “Consuming the Word”, and “Letter and Spirit” and EVERY student LOVES the lesson on What does IT mean in Jesus’ last words of “IT is finished”. This points to the deep scriptural basis of the Catholic Mass and the true presence (transubstantiation) of Christ in the Eucharist. Hahn points to where in scripture we find the teaching that the New Covenant (New Testament) - which is Christ, present with us always (in the Eucharist and in the Word) - “was a sacrament BEFORE it was a document - as stated in the document. These studies (to which I supplement with “bonus” materials) bring to life that the entire Bible, both OT and NT, is liturgical and only make sense in that context. Unlike Islam and Judaism which are religions “of the book” - Christianity is the religion of the Word - and that Incarnate Word is Christ (too many Protestants believe that Christianity is also “of the book” and are even selective about which parts of the book matter). Praise be to God for Scott Hahn’s conversion and his gift of articulation!
I agree with the Catholics on this, Trent. Romans 10:9 If you confess with your lips, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For one believes in the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved. 11 As Scripture asserts, “No one who believes in him will be put to shame.” Isn't confession a work, or act of faith? And what is this belief "in the heart"? It is clearly not just mental assent, for even the demons believe, and tremble. (James 2:19) I would describe this kind of belief as the "I know that I know it" kind of faith...more than you know that the sun is rising tomorrow. Hebrews 11:1 defines faith: "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." Then Hebrews 11 goes on to discuss the "hall of the famous faithful" as examples of those OT saints who had this gift of faith and what they *did* to show or prove their faith. Just look at all those verbs! "By faith, Abel offered...a better sacrifice", "By faith Enoch...pleased God (and didn't see death)", "By faith Noah...built an ark..", "By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called..." In fact, Abraham's acts of faith or trust in God are mentioned 3 times in this chapter. Faith and obedience are 2 sides of the same coin, so to speak. Through faith we receive grace unto salvation, and the indwelling Holy Spirit. He works in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. (Phil. 2:13)
Faith as defined by James is a Saving Faith that produces works. Hebrews and Romans very clearly shows that Faith precedes the action of man. Without Faith, these actions would not exist. Faith itself is a gift and work of God alone. Works don't justify a man, they justify his Faith to the world and future generations, so all will see and Glorify God.
Faith means and includes more than just an intellectual assent. If you believe in Christ, you will obey what He says in John 3:5. That's how one is saved.
Yes, this is very much what most protestants are taught and what they believe. It is layered in w/ all these scriptures and many more. Faith is the foundation and how we are ultimately saved, but true love continues in loving works and service to God and man. As the greatest first two commandments of Jesus are laid out, to Love God and love your neighbour as yourself, all is fulfilled of the law and prophets in these two.
The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it. You can’t lose the gift because the gift didn’t come from you and if you could lose it from sin then Jesus and John would be a liar. Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [9] not a result of works, so that no one may boast. John 6:37 ESV All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. John 6:39-40 ESV And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. [40] For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day." Do keep in mind that true regeneration comes with it marked behavior. And this is not a willed behavior of your own accord. This is all the causality of God. 1 John 3:9 esv/ greek interl No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he is not able to keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 1 Corinthians 12:3 ESV Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit. So we have the marked promise of salvation and the seal of salvation and the promise from Jesus of salvation and the reason why it’s secure based on what it looks like and what we are unable to do. If you’re struggling with salvation security, read Hebrews 12:4-8. Struggle with sin is the mark of salvation. God promised this salvation long before this new covenant Ezekiel 36:26-27 Why would there is so much talk of the security and promise of salvation without the insurance of it? Of course there is assurance in scripture.
i completely subscribed Dr Hahn's interpretation of this passage. the passover sacrificise of Jesus is over, is done, its finished. the cup of his passion is complete-his mission to die is finished. and consequently, the power of death caused by our original sin that we intereted from our ancestors is now also finished... But, but... we are still responsible for our own personal sins which we need to ask forgiveness through the sacrament of confession and continue to eat his body and blood thru the Eucharist
Justification is the part of the salvation process that is solely inaugurated by GOD alone. It is the gift of GOD so that no man can boast (about their sacraments or any other additional act) (Eph. 2:8,9) We insult HIM to think that we can add to HIS suffering and death as if it weren't enough. Sanctification is the part of the salvation process where we have accepted the truth expressed above and are filled with the HOLY SPIRIT so that we can walk w GOD to become increasingly holy. (again, w/o depending upon sacraments) Please be very careful not to add or subtract from what HE has revealed plainly in the Scriptures, ask HIM in prayer whether these things you teach are true. GOD bless you and those you love.
im born and raised protestant but God willing take first communion next easter. here's my thoughts on it: good works and faith are intwined; if I have faith that Christ died for my sins and that by accepting Him as the only way to come to the Father, then how could I not work to follow the examples He set for us as described in the Gospels? Protestantism is a more individual mindset, a thousand protestants, a thousand churches, and when I sin it's sorta between me and Jesus privately. This also explains the immense splintering that's going on within protestantism and the abhorrence that is the evangelical church with their rockconcert 'services'. But what I came to realise is that the real church is a community, like the early Christians, a supportsystem, when you sin, confess, have someone listen to you and perhaps point out other things you yourself have not thought of, because we can't know or see everything by ourselves, we all have blind spots. I had my first problems with Calvinism around age 10 during cathechismus (I that's what it's called in English, formative study, bible study) where I asked what the point of Jesus' crucifiction was if it was already predestined who would be saved. The OSAS concept is to me intellectual laziness and a copout. The good thief got saved at the very last moments in his life, yes, and by his faith alone because at that point in his life he wasn;t able anymore to act, so I read that as a message that conveys the mind boggling mercy and grace of God, that it is never too late if you're sincere. But what of the centurion and his sick slave? You reckon he would go on with his life doing whatever in the safety of knowing he was saved by his faith alone? Wouldn't that faith not compel him to do good works that please the Father? Did Jesus not say to the woman who adultered: as you have not been judged (punished) neither shall I judge you, now go but >>> sin no more
The Greek word for finished (tetelestai) in John 19:30 can be translated as "completed". The Latin translation of the same word is consummated (consummatum est). What Jesus is referring to, then, is the Seder Meal and the Last Supper. In the traditional Passover meal, there are four phases each in which one cup of wine is served for drinking; that is four separate cups altogether. The first cup of wine (Kiddush) is mixed with water and then served during the introductory rite. In the second stage, the second cup of wine (Haggadah) is also mixed with water, but not consumed. However, in the Gospels, Jesus is presented after the first and second cups of wine have been served, continuing with the mixing and serving of the third cup (Berekah). With this third cup, the Cup of Salvation, Jesus is traditionally blessing and thanking God for having brought forth bread and the fruit of the vine on the earth (Lk 22:14-20). Paul uses the “Cup of Blessing” (Berekah) to refer to the Eucharist, connecting the Seder meal to the Eucharistic sacrifice (1 Cor 10:16). The third cup actually makes present the Paschal sacrifice of Christ, the Lamb who was slain for our sins. But Jesus omits the serving of the fourth cup (Hallel) or “Cup of Consummation.” This is a significant omission that joins the Eucharistic sacrifice being offered in the Seder meal to Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross. In other words, they comprise one single sacrifice. The Last Supper, therefore, is a pre-presentation of our Lord’s sacrifice on the Cross which is made present in the Seder meal. This one and the same sacrifice, however, isn’t completed until Jesus partakes of the fourth cup of wine just before he dies on the cross after saying, “It is consummated” or "completed" (Jn 19:29, 30; cf. Mt 27:48; Mk 15:36). Dr. Brant Pitre discusses this in more detail and greater length in his book 'Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist.'
@@ronaldeglewski3073 After the third cup has been served and the celebrant and participants have consumed the Passover meal, they sing the Hallel Psalms before serving the fourth cup of wine. These are Psalms 113-118 (parts of Psalms 115 and 116). Hallel simply means “Praise Yahweh!” They reflect upon God's redemption of his people, particularly from their bondage in Egypt. Psalm 116, 16-17 grabbed my attention since it's prophetic pointing to Jesus and Mary: 'O Lord, truly I am thy servant; I am thy servant, and the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds. I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of the Lord.'
That Calvinist bumper sticker is accurate. I remember trying to evangelize as a Calvinist and we would always wonder if we could say “Jesus Christ died for you” to an unbeliever. A lot of us stopped saying it actually because of our theological convictions of Limited Atonement (and sadly even I did and it did sadden me). I remember even RC Sproul teaching that you couldn’t say “Jesus died for you” to an unbeliever because you didn’t know. I sympathize with people trying to stay consistent with their theology, but man am I overjoyed to proclaim to others “Jesus died for you!” again.
I don't buy limited atonement either, it conflicts with God's desire for all to be saved as exposed in both old and new testaments, but not all will be, out of their own choice to reject God. But I also don't want to be Catholic, (capital C, as opposed to universal Christian (lower case "c" as in catholic) in the sense of a particular church. The Catholic church has it's flaws too, but too few admit it. Our allegiance needs to be to God, not any particular church. The "church" is the body of believers and is peopled by some (but not all) in all churches that claim Christ.
@@joanhampton2378 We are all one in Christ and some are going to have some wonky beliefs. Thanks be to Jesus, our imperfect understanding is not what gets us to heaven. Limited atonement just sounds awful. The bible is clear, Jesus died once for all sinners.
The debt is paid in full. That's why forgiveness exists. But that doesn't negate the consequences of personal sin. Debt is paid in full to save from eternal death not punishment or consequences for sinning.
@TR I don't see why that's a cause for worry. The debt being paid in full is the greatest reassurance ever. Nobody wants to believe anything else. But “And I will grant my two witnesses power to prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth” (Rev. 11:3). Mark 6:12 [12]And going forth they preached men should do penance. This indicates that debt paid in full doesn't imply that works for mortification and penance for personal sins are COMPLETELY unnecessary. Don't deny true faith just to seem cocky non conformist and revolutionary in front of the world. It's absolutely cringey.
I've never heard this Protestant claim before. A bigger picture question to all of this that I have been trying to understand the last several months is this: Some protestants feel that our teachings on many things are heretical: The Assumption, True Presence, unmarried priests, male priests, Confession, Mary's Perpetual Virginity, Papal lineage, the teaching authority of the Church, etc. So it seems to suggest that they believe the entire Church was heretical until Martin Luther broke off and "fixed" it, opening everything up to personal interpretation and negating the authority of the Church. Why on Earth would God allow a heretical Church to exist, starting directly after Jesus with the Apostles and lasting for 1,500 years? That sounds like a massive mistake by Jesus to not make things clearer about how the Church should continue after His Ascension. And Jesus does not make mistakes.
I guess that would cut both ways then...why would God allow about 1 billion Protestants now as the Protestant churches just kept growing and growing and continue to grow with Protestant pentecostalism being the second fastest growing religion in the world behind islam.
@@Adam-ue2ig those aren't really analogous questions. In my question, Jesus Himself was on Earth and would have known that the Apostles were going to screw up and start the Papal lineage. If that was not how He wanted His Church formed, he would have been explicit as He was with his other teachings. In the other case, the free will of men caused schism in the Church. And God allowed it simply because he allows bad things to happen sometimes. It's possible that if the Reformation had not happened, the Catholic Church would not have had the counter Reformation to right it's wrongs. This is a greater good that could have resulted from the schism.
@Todd Jambon you say He would have known papal lineage but that is presupposing the legitimacy and intention of Christ was to leave a papacy which is the very thing in dispute that Protestants and Orthodox deny.
@Todd Jambon you presupposing that the "schism" when in fact Orthodox claim they are the one true church and that you broke away from them in the great schism (not the other way around as you assert.)
So according to Protestants I can just sin away and then ask for forgiveness because it doesn’t matter as Christ has done it all and I have no punishment to do for my sins… Imagine taking Christ for-granted to that level - how insulting can you be to Our Lord
No that's not the teaching of Protestants that is a straw man, you have fallen into the trap of Paul anticipating your objection when he outlines Justification by grace through Faith Romans chapters 1-5 he then concludes in Romans 6:1 by saying what then shall we say shall we continue to sin that grace may abound certainly not...how can we who ARE DEAD to SIN live any longer in it.
No..Most Protestants don’t believe that at all. I’m Catholic and even I know that. I think most Catholics and Protestants agree that we should try our best to lead a Godly life and try not to sin. But if we do sin, we can repent and we are forgiven. There is no perfect Christian. Our relationship and dedication to Christ is what saves us. That being said, there are many Catholics and Protestants who do not have a relationship with Christ…and that is sad.
I was surprised when I found the usual English translation is "finished". I knew the verse in Spanish first, where the word used is "cumplido", literally "fulfilled". I think it makes the point much more clearly.
Trent: Most Protestants, and Catholics for that matter, don't share the simplistic jaundiced view that you have of our separated brethren. most Protestants don't believe they can go on to live a reprobate life of sin after becoming Christian. Nor do they believe that they can live lives of debauchery without consequences. They of course know that they are expected to live moral lives in Christ, which includes "good works" such as helping the poor, obeying the commandments etc. The good works' that they feel under no obligation to comply with, are mostly things such as , certain rituals, and superstitions connected with novenas, special feast days, rosaries, relics "private revelations" etc...just the tip of the iceberg. The once saved, always saved protestants are few and far between. What do they really mean? I believe that they are just expressing confidence in Christ's salvation and mercy....if they persevere in the faith, confess their sins to God... despite the fact that they are sinners.
I am Catholic and yes, I agree that I personally never met a Protestant who thinks you can have faith in Christ and then live whatever way you want and be guarantee salvation.
Trent was replying to a specific argument made by a Protestant scholar in a book and has debated this exact topic with Dr. James White. He never said all Protestants but it's ridiculous to say that Trent shouldn't be responding to these claims.
Thank you for being honest with this. I'm Protestant and unable to be Catholic, and it saddens me when that is the view of Protestants. Although I'll admit, many Protestants do live however they want and don't prove their faith to the world.
"This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he hath sent." Which means exactly what the Catholic Church teaches: that God is the cause of our faith. Or in other words, without God, we could not have faith. But that doesn't mean that our free acceptance of God's grace isn't also a requirement. Our freely accepting God's grace does not merit us anything, but it is certainly required for salvation.
Hello Trent Do these believers have to go through Purgatory? "Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:17 It's an honest and sincere question. And just by the way. You probably don't know that the doctrine of Purgatory has been, by far, one of the biggest all time money makers for the Roman Church. In the Middle Ages poor Catholics would bankrupt themselves trying to reduce their husbands', wives', sons', daughters', that is to say their loved ones', torments in Purgatory. It is one of the cruelest doctrines ever thought up by the Roman Church. My honest and sincere opinion and God bless you.
The Church is not responsible for people's guilt when a loved one passes away. Typically, the amount the church asks is a small stipend for an 'Intention of Mass'. But if someone is 'going bankrupt' it's probably guilt that motivates them to keep giving large amounts of money. Funeral parlors use to really rake in the money on survivors' guilt to the point where laws had to be created against this business practice. Guilt can be so strong when time has run out and one loses the chance to be rectified with past grievances toward a loved one. They keep leaving their 'gift' at the alter blindly searching for a 'brother' they can no longer reconcile with in this temporal world. Church is not really to blame.
@@swoosh1mil I'm talking here of the Medieval Roman Catholic Church. Study this subject and you will be amazed at what was going on. And, I'm not talking about guilt. I'm talking about extreme mental anguish. Imagine that your loved one passes away, and then another and another. And you "know" that they are going through extreme suffering that is going to last for, who knows, maybe hundreds of years. You just don't know. Imagine that it's a son or a daughter. You would do anything to try to alleviate their suffering, including bankrupting yourself. And you would be depressed the rest of your life. This was the exact effect of this cruel Roman doctrine. No thanks. Just by the way. I would invite you to watch Gavin Ortlund's video on Purgatory. He is a true scholar and his videos are always well made. That video was so well done that it elicited a response from Trent Horn of more than the hours! That almost never happens, so it must be good. Check it out. You will not be disappointed.
I currently hold the view that the Catholic Church is the church founded by Christ and led by his apostles after Pentecost, but I will never be able to become Catholic because of the Marian Dogmas.
Protestant here and I agree that is some sloppy exegesis from Rhodes and Hunt. Seems like quite an over reading. Hahn's reading is new to me but I find it pretty interesting.
Why are you protesting Christ's Church? Also, how do you make sense of Galatians 5:19-21 where St. Paul warns justified believers that if they commit certain grave sins, they will be excluded from the kingdom? That's the context of the passage. So if the man-made Protestant doctrines of forensic justification and eternal security are true, how could St. Paul teach that their status and friendship with God would be impacted and lost altogether if they committed any of (mortal) sins he listed?
Psalm 22 begins “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” which Christ quotes on the cross. The Psalm ends, “future generations will be told about the Lord, and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn, saying that he has done it.” “It is finished” - “he has done it”. Psalm 22 fulfilled.
As an Orthodox, I dig some of the stuff that Trent does that transcends into our wheel house, most of your polemics against the Protestants. We see this also as meaning he has become the death to death. It is over that death will lord over us. Thank you for your work, as you do put these positions in great simple English. Now, hurry up and come home to Orthodoxy. God bless
Dr. Scott Hahn’s 4th cup theory thoroughly refutes this. “It is finished” refers to the completion of the final Passover sacrifice. When Jesus said “let this cup pass from me” he could have been referring to the 4th cup of the Passover which would have ended the ritual. He rejected the cup mingled with gall. From the cross he said “I thirst,” which was a call for the 4th cup (the cup of consummation). Then he said “it is finished,” meaning that the completed the sacrifice perfectly according to the Father’s will. It is still up to us to “eat the lamb” in order to partake of the benefits of the sacrifice in the same way it was necessary to eat the lamb at the original Passover. This is what Dr. Hahn credits for his conversion. I wonder what Mr. Horn thinks about this.
Ok, so I'm not Catholic, and watching Trent's work (which I tend to enjoy very much) is pretty much where all my knowledge of Catholicism comes from, so I may not be understanding fully, but even if Jesus' last words did mean "paid in full," (and I understand how the specific words He said wouldn't imply that), would that not still be inadequate to refute Catholicism? What I mean by that is, for our works to have "monetary" value, wouldn't that necessarily mean that the works have value of themselves? I may be misunderstanding, but I thought the Catholic view was that our works have value, not because of the intrinsic value of the works, but because our works of faith (or the "good works" mentioned in Ephesians 2) were ordained of God, so their value came from Him, not from themselves. To me, that would mean that "paid in full" and the Catholic view of required works, penance, and even Purgatory don't have to be mutually exclusive. That is, if I buy a piece of candy, the full price for that candy has been paid; if I then say to my son, "Eat your vegetables and you can have this piece of candy," he isn't paying for the candy, and he isn't "earning", but he's doing a work that I ordained as a requirement for getting the candy, even though the candy has been paid for. That's how I've personally always viewed "paid in full" anyway.
Its the context, the most difficult and gruesome part of His ministry, began in the garden of Gethsemane . He implored our Heavenly Father to take away the cup. but nevertheless, He submitted to His will, like a lamb led to a slaughter house. the difficult part was over with his last breathe. In the midst of His intense sufferings, At last its over, Its finished. And Now comes the glorious part. " I am been given Authorrity over heaven and Earth. He is in charge now.(Not a king, or President) but Our Lord and most importantly the authority he gave to His Apostles " Whosever sins you forgive will be forgiven and whosever sins you retain will be retained....2k years later We Catholics cling to his bride on earth.. One true Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. hundreds of Empires and Evil men have perished around her, While She Stands " I'll be with you till the end of time.."
Colossians 1:24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church,...
"Salvation by work through faith" or "salvation by grace through faith"?Do we need to change first to come to God or does God change those who come to him? There are christians who believe in sola scriptura and who don't.And many interpretations.But you can't afford to be wrong in the case of salvation.
How do you interpret these verses Ephesians 2: 8- For by grace we are saved through faith in Christ and this is not from you. It's the gift of God 9- It is not from works, so one may boast.
Jesus gave us a set of works himself. And he said "You shall know them (the saved) by their works. Works don't save. Works are the evidence that you ARE saved. When Paul talked about works, he was talking most usually to Jews. And it was the works of the Old Testament that he was talking about.
To exclude the aspect of being indebted to God because of sin, is to do an injustice to Scripture verses which portray the life of one who practices sin as crimes to be judged for.
Also the verse, he who preservers to the end will have great glory in heaven. Why would you preserve if it is already done? Should make some people think 🤔
My question to any Roman Catholic here -- Do you believe there is salvation apart from faith in Jesus Christ, as the Son of God, and His atoning death and resurrection?
Is eternal life eternal? Does God transformed the heart? Do those in the vine produce fruit? Does God prune those in the vine? Are we regarded as sons for correction? Can the redeemed, from the heart, curse Jesus? Does God cause us to walk in his rules and statutes? By Faith do we have peace with God in Christ? Is god so weak that the will in men is able to overcome him? Or is god so powerful that he is able to keep you from stumbling? Is our perceived “will” bestowed supernatural power to resist God? And if so, where did this power come from in the new covenant? Does God Bring the redeemed to completion? Can anyone come to Jesus outside of the biblically explicit draw of God? Does Christ lose any that God gives him? What is eternal life according to scripture? What is God’s truth according to Jesus?
We can understand Our Lord's work on the cross by the analogy of a scholarship. By dying for us, Jesus won for us a scholarship to the most prestigious school in the world, paid in full. However, having now entered the school, we must work hard to pass our exams and graduate, otherwise we don't get our degree. Another good explanation is found in the parable of the wedding feast, where the king invites everybody in to wine and dine. Again, that is Redemption. However, on mingling with his guests, the king finds one man who is not properly dressed for the occasion and has him thrown out. Our Lord's passion and resurrection won for us entry into the kingdom of God. It is something we can never do for ourselves. But having entered, it is up to us (with his assistance, if we would let him) to keep ourselves there.
@@biblealone9201 I'm not making a strong case for 'paid in full', that is, as a doctrine that denies the necessity of works. The point is that a 'scholarship' has been paid for and we still have to work hard to get the ultimate prize. I hope we agree on that.
I give props to this channel for one thing... Unlike many Catholic channels, they don't monitor the comments and delete stuff they don't like. They seem to let the discussions take place and permit those who wish to engage, to engage. Thank you for that!
How can a temporal punishment which is not applied to your soul but your body of flesh (Romans 7:14-17) cause your SOUL to be punished in eternity (i.e. Purgatory)? If sin is not IMPUTED to your SOUL when you are saved (Romans 4:3-7), then why would your soul be burned with fire to purge it of sins?
Nobody suffers in Purgatory forever. There is sin on Earth, and there is no sin in Heaven. Thus, there must be some process by which a soul is purified of the tendency to sin. It is an intimate experience between the Savior and the saved . It is full of joy because the soul is getting used to beatific vision, but it hurts until we get purified. I don't understand why people are so afraid of it.
@KK3 1 Corin 3: 8 The one who plants and the one who waters are equal, and each will receive wages in proportion to his labor. 9 For we are God’s co-workers; you are God’s field, God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building upon it. But each one must be careful how he builds upon it, 11 for no one can lay a foundation other than the one that is there, namely, Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, 13 the work of each will come to light, for the Day will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire [itself] will test the quality of each one’s work. 14 If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. 15 But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire.
Why make it complicated with the phrase "it is finished"? Jesus completed his life mission on earth at calvary. He had finished what he was supposed to do as per scripture prophecy. It is finished.
I'm catholic, but is that a proper use of 1 Cor 15:17? Isn't Paul saying that if Christ has not been raised then we are still dead in our sins because then Christ would not have proven himself to be God?
@@alphazero5614 Agreed. I just thought that was a particularly weak passage to use to make the point that we need the resurrection of Christ and not only His death. In fact, we need His ascension too.
I’m not Catholic and don’t believe ANY of the Catholic doctrines but I am a USAF Vietnam Veteran and defend religious freedom so even if I don’t agree with the beliefs of any group or church I defend their right to Freedom of Religion and criticize anybody or group trying to prohibit anyone from the peaceful exercise of “Freedom of Religion” .
Is eternal life eternal? Does God transformed the heart? Do those in the vine produce fruit? Does God prune those in the vine? Are we regarded as sons for correction? Can the redeemed, from the heart, curse Jesus? Does God cause us to walk in his rules and statutes? By Faith do we have peace with God in Christ? Is god so weak that the will in men is able to overcome him? Or is god so powerful that he is able to keep you from stumbling? Is our perceived “will” bestowed supernatural power to resist God? And if so, where did this power come from in the new covenant? Does God Bring the redeemed to completion? Can anyone come to Jesus outside of the biblically explicit draw of God? Does Christ lose any that God gives him? What is eternal life according to scripture? What is God’s truth according to Jesus?
As far as I know, which is limited, Jesus died for us all. He also says "not all who call out Lord, Lord shall be saved, but he who does the will of the Father" (paraphrased). Paul tells us faith apart from works saves us, for if works is brought in, it is no longer grace. Hebrews 11:1 tells is "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Basically, we aren't "saved" unless we believe Christ died for our sins, and accept the gift by walking in faith, not just standing still ot thinking about faith. Seems simple enough for me, as for executing the plan, hoo boy it is a struggle. I understand why Jesus says we must count the cost.
The New Testament writers are emphatic that salvation is by grace alone (Rom. 3:24, 28; 4:5; 11:6; Gal. 2:16-21; Eph. 2:8-10; Titus 3:5-8). . For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:8-10) ... Now separate works of the law Mosaic Law Paul was speaking about circumcision's from Good Works charity which Paul calls charity love which is greater than faith 2:6-7 Here’s what Paul says: For he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. Wherefore, brethren, labor the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election." 2 Peter 1:10 Then there's verse Titus 3:14, where Paul says, “Let our people learn to devote themselves to good works, so as to help cases of urgent need.” You see a need, and in love you try to meet it-that's a good work. Good works are the overflow of love for Christ that meets the needs of others. This is exactly what Paul says in Titus 3:8: “The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works.”👍👍
Is eternal life eternal? Does God transformed the heart? Do those in the vine produce fruit? Does God prune those in the vine? Are we regarded as sons for correction? Can the redeemed, from the heart, curse Jesus? Does God cause us to walk in his rules and statutes? By Faith do we have peace with God in Christ? Is god so weak that the will in men is able to overcome him? Or is god so powerful that he is able to keep you from stumbling? Is our perceived “will” bestowed supernatural power to resist God? And if so, where did this power come from in the new covenant? Does God Bring the redeemed to completion? Can anyone come to Jesus outside of the biblically explicit draw of God? Does Christ lose any that God gives him? What is eternal life according to scripture? What is God’s truth according to Jesus?
The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it. You can’t lose the gift because the gift didn’t come from you and if you could lose it from sin then Jesus and John would be a liar. Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [9] not a result of works, so that no one may boast. John 6:37 ESV All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. John 6:39-40 ESV And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. [40] For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day." Do keep in mind that true regeneration comes with it marked behavior. And this is not a willed behavior of your own accord. This is all the causality of God. 1 John 3:9 esv/ greek interl No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he is not able to keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 1 Corinthians 12:3 ESV Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit. So we have the marked promise of salvation and the seal of salvation and the promise from Jesus of salvation and the reason why it’s secure based on what it looks like and what we are unable to do. If you’re struggling with salvation security, read Hebrews 12:4-8. Struggle with sin is the mark of salvation. God promised this salvation long before this new covenant Ezekiel 36:26-27 Why would there is so much talk of the security and promise of salvation without the insurance of it? Of course there is assurance in scripture.
They manipulated everything since from the distant past and like no one has noticed it. 1 12 Apostles in Bible 2. 12 imam in Muslim tradition 3. 12 days of Christmas song 4. 12 frets in guitar then repeat 12 5. 12 Stonehenge stones 6. 12 Gobekli tepe stones 7. 12 tribes in Israel 8. 12 towers of Angkor wat 9. 12 planet ancient count 10. 12 exit & entry point of the globe 11. 12 zodiac signs 12. 12 Lunar cycles 13. 12 months in a year 14. 12 pieces in a dozen 15. 12 hours clock revolution 16. 12 Inch in one ft 17. 12 system in human body 18. 12 chakra in meditation 19. 12 councilor town 20. 12 councilor city 21. 12th congress 22. 12 Senators in election 23. 12 k to 12 education system 24. 12 frets in guitar then repeat 12 25. 12 notes in music 26. 12 algorithm code 27. 12 Olympian VS 12 titans n greek 28. 12 rounds in boxing 29. 12 knights templar table 30. 12 letters Illumination/illuminati 31. 12 and final fundamental particle - the higgs boson - God particle discovery on 2012 When everything's turning into conspiracy with the hidden secret number from history now exposed.
Grace of our LORD YESHUA is a free Gift to be received Humbly. Of our own , we can do nothing. Good works is just a fruit. , Of the Labour of Love as a response. Works is an outcome of allowing ourselves to be led by the Spirit of God as we grow in Faith. Works is a response and not an action to achieve anything.
every parable is about doing something and the person who does nothing is the one who is thrown out! doing nothing is the road to hell - all Scripture is interpreted in light of all other Scripture
right he says continue on in the faith now reconciled in his fleshly body through his death, to present you holy, without blemish, and irreproachable before him, 23 provided that you persevere in the faith, firmly grounded, stable, and not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, am a minister. 24
mt 5, 17-19 is why the council of Jerusalem ruled that we do not need to be circumcised to be saved. Jesus was clear that we are saved through water and spirit. There is only one water and spirit in Christianity and that is Baptism. The problem Protestants face is the fact that the Bible does not use the word "alone" when talking about faith. Protestants literally add it to the Bible when they read it. I've seen them do it in videos. They will have the scripture up on their video and say "alone" after reading "faith", though it is not in the passage they are quoting. There is a difference when reading when we add the word alone to it. Saying we are saved by faith doesn't mean we are only saved by faith. If I say a car is red, it doesn't mean it is the only car that is red. That is why we add the word "alone" when communicating. Otherwise, there is no use for the word. We do know the word is used in the Bible because there is only one verse in the Bible with faith and alone together and it is in James and says we are not saved by faith alone. In fact, it says in James 2:20 that people that need proof that we are not saved by faith alone are fools. It says if anyone needs proof that faith without works is worthless they are fools. You cannot say faith alone if it needs works to have any value. That is a contradiction Protestantism just ignores. Faith is worthless without works, which means it cannot be faith alone. If faith is sufficient "alone", then how can it be worthless without works? It really is an easy concept but hard for Protestants to accept as truth. This is why Catholicism has tradition, which the Bible tells us to follow. Tradition is our fact checker to see if our beliefs are correct. The Church, which is in Colossians 1:24, decides what our beliefs will be because Scripture says Jesus' church is the "pillar of truth". Protestants have limited their beliefs to individual scriptures in a way that creates contradictions like faith alone and faith being worthless without works. Another contradiction is the Church being the "pillar of truth" and the church mentioned in Colossians 1:24. There are Protestants that teach against having a religion, that all we need is a relationship with Jesus. This is contradicted by every verse about the church Jesus created and has no basis in Sacred Scripture. Believe what you will, but Jesus didn't outright define what"it" means when Jesus said it was finished. We have to figure that out using clues. You use some clues and we use others. The fact checker is what tradition and the original Christians said about this. And this is exactly why Protestants took sacred tradition out of the beliefs they created when they did the Reformation. I'll challenge Protestants on this as well. Where in the Bible did the Reformers get the authority to create their own church? Paul spoke of unity within the church. We have the example of the council of Jerusalem to handle disputes. Why didn't the Reformers wait for the next council as the Bible taught us to do? The Bible doesn't give anyone the authority to read the Bible and create their own belief system based on what they think it says. No, it says we are to be united and let the church decide disputes. Then there are the Anglican churches. It's hard to believe that people cannot see that they were formed because of divorce and adultery in the least and at most, bigamy. How is that a good foundation for a church? And finally, there is not one verse in the Bible that says "Bible Alone". Not one. There is not a verse in the Bible that even says "Bible". Jesus never predicted there would be a Bible. In fact, the early Christians strayed away from even calling what is now the New Testament writings "Scripture". The Bible and 1st Christians in context, view the word "scripture" in the New Testament writings to only mean the Old Testament. It wasn't until the fourth century that councils were held to make up the table of contents Catholics use in our Bibles. History is a stumbling block for Protestantism. It is the number one reason Protestants convert to Catholicism. I saw these things not in anger, but in inspiration to say what is truth. I hope one day Protestants see that Catholics do use the Bible to come to our beliefs. We in fact call the Bible "sacred scripture".
@@paulmualdeave5063 I would say, in line with what you write, Jesus opened the door, freed us and shows us the Way. The Holy Spirit gives us Grace. It depends on each one if he follows it or not. Under the Mantle of Mary, we walk
