(500) Days of Summer is a Revenge Movie

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In this video, I explore the intentions of the film, (500) Days of Summer, directed by Marc Webb and written by Scott Neustadter and Michael Weber.
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Chapters:
00:00-01:33 disclaimer
01:34-03:05 sponsor - love & pies
03:06-04:14 intro
04:15-08:21 narrator
08:22-12:15 tom’s pov
12:16-12:47 structure
12:48-14:47 summer’s pov
14:48-16:17 superficial love
16:18-19:33 incompatibility
19:34-20:44 love vs hate
20:45-21:08 tom’s emotions
21:09-21:54 pop culture
21:55-24:37 screenwriter background
24:38-26:37 “nice guys”
26:38-30:54 missing the point
30:55-33:10 death of the author
33:11-38:30 jenny beckman
38:31-43:36 the daily mail article
43:37-45:38 the facebook page
45:39-46:34 intention matters
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thepenngazette.com/500-days-o...
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@SloanStowe 5 дней назад

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@Ph34rn03V1L 3 дня назад

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@noxwulong 5 дней назад

you had me at "what if the unreliable narrator in the movie is the guy who wrote it?"

@pavel228 4 дня назад

I am very glad, that Joseph Gordon-Levitt isn't there, thinking he plays the good guy, the victim, but knowing exactly, what he was doing, having an aware view on his character.

@Hx3ney 3 дня назад

Love him ❤

@rhythmandblues_alibi День назад

Such a good actor 💜

@williamdixon-gk2sk 23 часа назад

Jo-Go-Lev is definitely an intelligent dude. One of the few great actors from my generation.

@user-73a 19 часов назад

summer gave mixed messages and “bread-crumbed” Tom. If summer was a male character, he would clearly be seen as a fuck-boy with commitment issues and an avoidant attachment using the women he leads on to avoid dealing with his own issues. If you guys didn't have double standards you would have none at all.

@williamdixon-gk2sk 18 часов назад

@user-73a No, your male version of Summer sounds like an insufferable hipster I would dislike as well. Anything else you want to tell me how I feel about?

@jacobmartin1100 5 дней назад

The fact that the movie name-drops her in the opening with the *legally required disclaimer* and nobody in legal thought that was a horrible idea is devastating. As for why he changed his position on that one scene all those years later, it's possible he's *actually* grown after he got less defensive of his actions in the relationship and his stand-in's overall, as opposed to immediately post-temper tantrum of a multimillion dollar movie 💀

@pinobluevogel6458 5 дней назад

I'm pretty sure, like anyone after such a long time, he has grown in some ways. However, if we are to believe the video creator doing her analysis, she argues his real motivation and feeling haven't shifted much at all and are only buried beneath a layer of veneer shown to the outside world. I actually dislike the fact that he is so openly criticized on his character, which is something he can probably not really help or truly change. But I guess that's what you get for making such a public piece that openly put out this story and directing it at this specific person where this (most likely) is based on. I still think this is a great movie that is loved and watched by many, this story gives that a bit of a sour taste. It is an original take, something I wasn't exactly looking for or needed, and I really don't know if it was to be made at all. I'm still happy this movie got out there, even if it was actually made with the wrong motives behind it, it still made for a great movie that we can also learn from.

@jeffskarski6644 3 дня назад

@@pinobluevogel6458personally, I quite like the idea of a piece of art carrying the artist even farther than the inciting idea. Or, you could look at it as some part of him knowing "deep down" enough wisdom to write the film, with the top level, day-to-day conscious awareness taking much longer to catch up.

@jeffskarski6644 3 дня назад

Honestly, it just makes me suspect that the "standard legal disclaimer" is meaningless, and intends to "protect" the filmmakers from legal hazards which don't exist, or at least aren't present in most circumstances. What cause of action would Jenny Beckman, should she exist, hope to show in court? She didn't write a film for him to steal, and the film itself is hardly slanderous.

@pinobluevogel6458 3 дня назад

@@jeffskarski6644 There is something to be said about someone writing the script for a 'revenge movie' and succeeding with having that script realized into an original, good movie. I think some people are making far too big a deal about this guy's motives or behaviours. Yes, the remark at the beginning and the article are skechy af, but if Summer is supposed to be Jenny Beckman, she comes off as the absolute good person in the story and also wins in the end. Now it would be great if she also won in real life and was happily married. (which wouldn't surprise me at all) In the end I don't mind this whole sequence at all. All great things in life come with sacrifices. In this case the sacrifice was the writer coming off as a bit of a narcissist and there was an attempt to make his former girlrfiend look bad. (which did not succeed) This was also a movie that got both Zoey Dechanel and Joseph Gordon-Levitt more recognition as actors in this space, which to me isn't bad either. I like both of them a lot, JGL in particular for his work in some more off-beat movies.

@jeffskarski6644 3 дня назад

@@pinobluevogel6458 Yes, I agree, Scott/Tom wasn't being malicious in his self centeredness, and got himself into a situation entirely of his own making but of WHICH the pieces are everywhere to build a self justifying narrative. And whether there was a subconscious Scott behind the doofus, slyly guiding both us and the doofus towards enlightenment, or whether the doofus wrote a revenge story that, once written, starkly demonstrated to him that he was being narcissistically self centered, well, doofus,and set him on the road to being less shitty... it's ultimately not all THAT important. It's fascinating, and worth the video, as long as we can understand that we're just looking at a piece of human behavior under a microscope. Most of us, beyond not being famous enough for anyone to bother, don't leave enough independent evidence for our motives to ever be subject to this sort of scrutiny. Furthermore, and I guess this could ALMOST be construed as a disagreement with the video, but to the extent that we are assuming there's one "true" Scott (even allowing for change over time), that just isn't how people work. We're a mishmash of beliefs and interests and tastes and influences, all in tension, which we usually cannot perceive. There's no one "true" Scott. You'll get different answers from him, depending on how you approach a question, because he's a human being. We're all messy.

@Punkandcannonballer 5 дней назад

This is one of my favorite movies. And I think it's because everyone took what the writer wrote and saw it for what it was. Webb and Gordon-Levitt and co. saw Tom as the villain of the story and ran with it, so that even when the film came out and it initially did have the broad read that I think the writer intended, time has shown that most people have come to realize that Tom is not the hero of that story. One other thing I love about 500 Days is how creative it is in the sea of bland romantic comedies. The various creative shot choices, or jumps through time, and the use of color. I just wish other rom-coms had 10% of the creativity 500 Days has. And the courage to have the protagonist be the "villain"

@pinobluevogel6458 5 дней назад

A Villain would suggest someone is evil. The protagonist is someone that learns and progresses from adversity and overcoming character flaws, we can certainly empathize with that. If you would skip all the nonsense around the movie that were pointed out in this video essay, abound the writer's background, it would still stand on it's own like it has for so many watching. Even just the basic surface level of idolizing someone for who you hope and think that they are is so recognisable, as everyone in the early stages of love is guilty of that to some extent.

@Punkandcannonballer 5 дней назад

@@pinobluevogel6458 if you want to be pedantic, then you can call him an antagonist if you want. The way that Tom loves Summer in the move is a selfish, self absorbed thing. She's clear right away how she feels and what she wants, but he thinks he can change her mind. He places her either on a pedestal where she's a flawless creature to be idolized or he's talking about terrible she is. He never really knew her, and never really tried to know her. And as far as growth is concerned, Summer goes from saying she doesn't believe in love to being married. Tom goes from writing greeting cards to attempting to pursue a career in architecture. At the end of the movie, there's no noticeable difference in how he interacts with Autumn, but of the two characters, Summer is the one that obviously progressed from adversity to overcome her character flaw, not Tom.

@pinobluevogel6458 5 дней назад

@@Punkandcannonballer We don't get to see exactly when or even if Tom has learned on a personal level how he deals with his warped or ineffective way of experiencing love. Keep in mind that having these kinds of feelings is extremely common, among both men and women, where their self obsessed personality, or lack of consideration or interest in the other party ruins their true chances in love. And while you correctly state that Summer in this case is not really at fault, this is clearly not always the case in real life situations. The general gist of this video I think lays too much of a burden on the writer (who the protagonist is based on) and that character and not on the fact that these kinds of relatively common ways of interaction between potential lovers are rarely depicted, or thought through, or even 'accepted' as normal things to occur. Yes, Tom is immature. Yes, he needs to grow to overcome this. But painting him as a villain goes too far for my liking. He is a morally grey character like everyone else, while Summer is depicted as a 'perfect' being, as we see her through the lens of his (dishonest) passion for her, which is a view disconnected from reality that is so common for a person that experiencing these deep feelings of love. She is naturally not perfect at all, as people like that simply do not exist, but his view of her makes her look like she is. My main point is (and I'm sorry I'm taking so many words to come to it) that the focus of this essay and a lot of these comments are more on how horrible this writer / Tom is, while he isn't that much different from most of the world population, especially in the western world, where humans are sadly often lost, lonely and misguided. I would prefer to celebrate this movie, not just for being a great film technically in terms of storytelling, acting and originality but also for shining a light on these not often seen interactions and emotional arcs. These subjects are based on real life and certainly more common than the nonsense we see in the average romantic comedy.

@Punkandcannonballer 5 дней назад

@@pinobluevogel6458 @pinobluevogel6458 I think the issue is that it seems very, very clear that the movie the writer intended to make was not intentionally subversive. He wrote Tom as a traditional NiceGuy who "seals the deal." Who gets the girl. To him, he doesn't see anything toxic about that, about thinking about himself or how special he is when Summer is telling him about something she's never told anyone, and that's clear in the commentary, when both the director and actor point out Tom's toxic behavior but the writer defends it as being honestly romantic. Like, think about who becomes emotional and when. Tom gets angry when he and Summer aren't a couple, despite Summer already saying that she didn't want that. When they break up he insults her appearance, he breaks stuff in his apartment. I'm not saying having emotion is bad, but he often will just be calously toxic, and I don't think that's supposed to be rewarded just because love is complicated. Because, again, he didn't really love Summer. He loved an idea of her. He loved how she made him feel. He loved how she looked. He didn't know her. I think if they played the script straight, the movie would not be nearly as memorable or as special. Sure, it'd still be amazing on a technical level in comparison to other rom-coms, but it'd be just as bland. And worse, it'd have a protagonist seemingly learn absolutely nothing from beginning to end, except to use a failed relationship as a springboard to try a career. The director and actors have given a nuanced take of a toxic person's single-minded, selfish view of love, which is part of what makes the movie special.

@pinobluevogel6458 4 дня назад

@@Punkandcannonballer Is someone a toxic person when he or she gets angry and says things that they don't mean? Throwing stuff around? I certainly don't think idolizing someone or putting them on a pedestal is toxic. As is loving her for the idea of what she is, instead of really loving who she is. That is more common in the beginning phases of love than not. Virtually all humans have incredibly positive fantasy versions of the people they fall in love with, that slowly gets more down to earth when you get to know them. For most, this can cause the relationship to fail, but for some this deepens into mutual respect and love. I remember most of what he does is relatively mild and only when he's already at the breaking point and losing it because he is afraid of losing her, does he do really harmful things that can hurt her. Especially when compared to 'real' toxic relationships, where someone is downright abusive, manipulative or physically violent. Quite often in those really toxic relationships, their partner doesn't even leave, caught in some stockholm syndrome or self-destructive mindset that they deserve it. I don't know, I might be oldschool and even this movie is relatively oldschool, but I'm looking at this movie through quite a different lens. Maybe it has faded too much and I remember it in a more positive way than what it actually depicted, as it has been quite a while since I last saw it.

@leia_gabes 5 дней назад

Holy shit I KNEW IT. All through the movie I kept saying to my boyfriend that I didn’t fucking get it. Bc even at the end when he “learns” she’s not the villain i’m like “why did he ever think she was?” the movie is so clearly meant to point out the main character is an asshole but they so so weirdly refused to say it

@pinobluevogel6458 5 дней назад

Asshole is a bit strong, I would say misguided, naïve or selfcentered. A major point is also a lack of real honest self reflection, which is describing probably the vast majority people living in modern concrete cities. This isn't necessarily evil or by choice, it emerges from living a life following the advice of others and not living in accordance with human nature, spirituality or god if you will.

@tross-lj2eb 5 дней назад

right?! It's one of those movies where it ends and you're left squinting at the screen as the credits roll going "waaaaiiit. So...?"

@theresabu3000 5 дней назад

I watched it maybe 10 years ago, so not 100% sure - but yeah the movie definitely shoehorned in that the protagonist is a nice guy, that his views are the only right way to look at things... All that did leave a bitter aftertaste in my mouth - and we never even really got to know summer. He judges her, demands her devotion and attention - and if he doesn't get it, he completely spirals out of control. It is a fine line to walk though - because you can definitely still get hurt in a casual relationship, especially if only one partner develops feelings. In the end though I think it was unfair for him to go into it with his expectations - and be surprised at the end. He should have been honest with her and himself - what he wants is not a casual relationship, so just don't start one 🤗😇

@nbac26 5 дней назад

@@theresabu3000 I respectfully disagree. At first it does feel like Tom's way of thinking is the only right way, because the whole movie is from his POV, but there are repeated instances in which it's made clear he's in the wrong. The most obvious ones that come to my mind are the narrator saying that he's got a misguided idea of love and romance because of his misinterpretation of The Graduate, and his tween sister being the voice of reason and telling him "Just because a girl like the same weird things as you doesn't mean she's your soulmate"

@stephanieok5365 4 дня назад

I wonder if that is the director and actor realizing this but the writer not and the conflict between those perspectives playing out on screen. 🤔

@pavel228 4 дня назад

When I was a boy - it could be 15/16, I don't really know actually - i was feeling very much with Tom. From the opening line 'til the very end. He was someone to be admired for me. The ""Nice Guy"". And I started a - soon then buried - script of an own relationship, that had just ended. Then, rewatching it with 19, Tom felt ... off to me. Ingenuine. But I could't quite put my finger on it. It was more a: "I guess the film is not as good as I remembered", than a "Tom is clearly wrong" but I didn't really know what to make of him - or why I liked the movie so much, when I was younger. And then I watched it two-ish years later - and it clicked. Suddenly I noticed, Summer was being clear from the start - Tom wasn't listening. Then I noticed the rose-colored glasses. Suddenly I felt for Summer - and was very in awe of the script and the execution.

@gunsoup9530 4 дня назад

It’s crazy that he was so upset about their dynamic when not only was she incredibly clear about her intentions, but it really seems like he didn’t know who she was. We don’t know anything about her goals or her family or even her likes, besides the smiths I guess.

@dramaqueenbee День назад

ohhh i had the same with 'devil wears Prada'

@user-73a 19 часов назад

@senorfrog5605 8 часов назад

Probably because as a kid at 15/16, you were dumb, like all kids. You just liked it because the movie made you feel understood. You just wanted someone or something to tell you you were the good guy in your own relationship. When in reality, as you pointed out, you were a “nice guy”. Nice guys are worms. It’s not a good thing to be the dreaded nice guy.

@paiwanhan 5 дней назад

Ted in HIMYM is a very meta parallel of this situation, especially the whole deal with Stella and Tony.

@HannahBeven 5 дней назад

I often think about how similar these two characters are

@stephanieok5365 4 дня назад

There's this scene in the final episodes of HIMYM where Robin is divorced and says she can't stay in the friend group because it's too painful to be around the man he should have married and see how perfect his marriage is. I often think about this movie and its perspective. That line from Robin feels like Ted's interpretation of someone else.

@eomoran 4 дня назад

Hmm. Possibly. Have you seen the scene where Robin propositions Ted while he’s with Tracy? It’s a deleted scene that I think makes the ending far more palatable. Ted and Robin did love each other but wanted different things. Robin also was upset when she realised she couldn’t ever have kids.

@paiwanhan 4 дня назад

@@eomoran There are three main reasons why some people couldn't stand HIMYM's original ending. First, some people hate that the writers broke Barney and Robin up despite spending a whole season on their wedding. Second, some people just hate the Ted and Robin pairing. Third, some feel that the finale hints at that Ted was secretly in love with Robin all along, and Tracy was treated as a place holder. For people who believe in one or more of these arguments, I don't think including that Robin deleted scene would have helped. I don't subscribe to any of these arguments, and actually prefer the original ending. However, I think the flaw is in the execution. They failed to stress that so much time have passed that both Ted and Robin are over 50 by the end of the finale. They have both achieved their career and life goals, and spend a lot of time together just as friends since Tracy passed away. Their relationship goals won't be the same as what they were in their 20s and 30s. Also, the kids were too happy after hearing the story. If the writers had the foresight to film a version where the kids were moved to tears but still were there in support of Ted and encourages him after the retelling of story ended, with Ted also in tears, like how Josh Radnor did it during the table read, I think that would have saved the finale for a lot of people.

@samirabdel-aziz478 4 дня назад

@@paiwanhan well said

@zoinks2607 2 дня назад

It's absolutely wild that the director and actors understood the themes of the movie more than the writer. You're right, people can misinterpret their own work if it's based on their experience and they are grossly misinterpreting their experience

@medeasherbs 4 дня назад

he really made a whole career out of him being dumped by some girl. also it gives me the creeps to think about all these people laughing at his comment about him knowing that she unfriended him on facebook THE DAY the movie came out like its a cute quirk to be as petty and obsessive as this. dont get me wrong, i'm also petty and obesessive, but if i made it a cute character trait of mine people wouldnt think its cute

@user-73a 19 часов назад

@jossypoo 16 часов назад

Holy shit welll said.

@jossypoo 16 часов назад

@@user-73aooooof bad take. Did you watch the video you're commenting on? Summer isn't fucking around, she's just not interested. Who hurt you

@lilies2746 10 минут назад

@@user-73aoh this video made you MAD 💀

@cardiganweather 5 дней назад

I know this video took a lot out of you, but genuinely, thank you for making it! It perfectly encapsulates why this movie is so interesting to me and how I still find enjoyment rewatching it all these years later. I love this movie, and something that has always bothered me is how people so quickly dismiss it as a "manic pixie dream girl" rom com. Because Summer isn't actually a manic pixie dream girl, Tom just imagines that she is. But she sometimes subverts his expectations, and when she exercises autonomy, he becomes petulant. Unlike a MPDG, she has a *minor* character arc: she didn't believe in love, or soulmates, or fate, and by the end of the movie she does, and not in a way that serves Tom or caters to his fantasies. You could argue that maybe it does serve him, because maybe he's learned from the mistakes he made in their situationship. But I love that the ending where he meets Autumn and learns her name is ambiguous.

@Megabaron 4 дня назад

I’m glad I found this channel for this reason. I definitely look at and analyze films in a similar way and it’s nice having things I’ve noticed or felt put into a streamlined video like this

@gunsoup9530 4 дня назад

It’s crazy that people think summer is evil when he didn’t know a single thing about her besides the fact that she’s aloof and fun. And she loves the smiths.

@mana-uv7cz 3 дня назад

I think both of them were in the wrong why mess around with someone like Tom knowing how much of a romantic he is. You know you’re hurting him.

@taylorbowser571 3 дня назад

@@mana-uv7cz 100%. It's stupid to pursue someone who's vocally disinterested in a relationship, but it is also a bit cruel to keep casually hooking up with someone when you know they're in love with you. People make it a gendered issue one way or another, but I think if you divorce the characters from their sexes, it becomes clear that it's just a case of two emotionally immature, willfully ignorant people using each other. Neither of them are bad people. Or great people. They're just naive and a bit selfish. Because they're in their early 20s.

@mana-uv7cz 3 дня назад

@@taylorbowser571 yeah I never brought up the gendered thing but I do both think they are wrong for their actions.

@taylorbowser571 3 дня назад

@@mana-uv7cz yeah, I know. I just meant to highlight how everyone who sees either of them as evil (especially Tom) does so because of ideas about gender dynamics.

@mana-uv7cz 2 дня назад

@@taylorbowser571 yeah or it could be that they are projecting their past experiences with a partner onto the character

@capnmnemo 5 дней назад

Thank you. My hate for complete recaps that replace watching the movie burns with the heat of a thousand suns.

@musstakrakish 5 дней назад

Retrospective! (Just saying the plot beat by beat.) It infuriates me

@clumsyninja925 5 дней назад

This is why I hate "endings explained videos. Also, usually, the story's ending does not need an explanation.

@beatm6948 5 дней назад

I adore them! But I do think it's unfair to advertise them as analysis when they arent

@capnmnemo 5 дней назад

They are garbage and they are making the world more stupid.

@capnmnemo 4 дня назад

@@beatm6948 they are making the world worse

@pseudopod 5 дней назад

My head cannon is that Scott did in fact change how he views the movie after others pointed out how his interpretation was had some issue, although maybe not in a way that allows him to at might fault with his earlier interpretation.

@teesh871 4 дня назад

The scary thing I think Joseph g Levitt got the movie pretty well. I mean..differently to how scott got it. He had people approaching him saying 'i loved your character! What a (any mean word for a woman) summer was! And Joseph was like...'im not..I'm not the good guy in this'. Scott said at the end of the video ,'a lot of other people were on summers side...and how can that be?' but... They weren't. Not at the time of release. This movie is praised for being ahead of its time but scott saying 'how could people be on her side?' ...that's scary to me. He must have known people might hate summer if he is annoyed people are on her side...and if he in any way sent that hate to her l...vague or otherwise...that's not just petty. We've seen what so called 'nice guys' can do. Maybe not as much in 2009 but still...people can find people online with less information. That's scary to me that there could be that much anger that she could be in danger

@r4diocr4b 5 дней назад

'Is 500 Days of Summer Ironic?' - the greatest thread in the history of forums, locked by a moderator after 12,239 pages of heated debate

@Jessedessie 2 дня назад

Link? nothing comes up when i google it

@Kenionatus День назад

@@Jessedessie I suspect it's a satirical comment.

@metaknight1285 5 дней назад

I saw 500 days of summer in theaters, on a first date with a girl. I distinctly remember really not liking Tom after the movie, and I think it left a pretty strong impression on me as to the importance of perception to relationships and what one should bring into a relationship? Me and the girl didn't go on more dates after that and remained friends. I've also not been on a date with anyone after that, been openly aromantic for a fair bit of that time span as well. Probably wouldn't have figured out that side of me without it, so thanks 500 Days of Summer.

@dfknsmlfggfdgfhh9319 День назад

This is really hot

@KindaErudite 4 дня назад

Honestly, I find it hilarious that Scott the screenwriter wrote Tom as a self insert and expected the audience to be wholly sympathetic to him while the director and the other people in production were like "Yeah Tom was in the wrong in that scene". Reminds me of "The Last 5 Years musical" where the creator wrote the story about his failed marriage. It posited that both the man and woman (Jamie & Cathy) were equally in the wrong for the failure of their marriage but let's say the audience did not take it that way 😅

@taylorbowser571 3 дня назад

I feel like the audience's take on TL5Y has so much to do with direction and casting choice, though. I've seen productions where they feel equally at fault, or where Catchy feels mostly to blame, or Jamie does, or where they both just come off as overly idealistic, naive artists who have no idea what they're doing and are doomed from the start.

@KindaErudite 3 дня назад

@@taylorbowser571 Oh definitely, given it's theatre, the portrayal and hence reception of characters can differ based on the actors. From what I've seen, most people think both Cathy and Jamie are at fault, but the lyrics for "A miracle could happen" did tip the scales a bit 😅

@taylorbowser571 3 дня назад

@@KindaErudite definitely! Unless Cathy is portrayed as extremely cold and manipulative, people do not forgive Jamie for that number. I've also notice it vary based on age and personal relationship history. I used to hate Jamie! And then I was in a super miserable relationship with a manipulative person and kinda changed my tune. My favorite thing about that show (and it is perhaps my favorite show) is how many interpretations there are.

@lilunette9319 19 часов назад

The whole movie was an "Am I the A-hole" Reddit story. The verdict is in YTA.

@user-73a 19 часов назад

@laram3897 5 дней назад

Commenting again after watching all the way through, and wanted to say first of all that this was fascinating! The final scene of the film is so unintentionally funny to me and I think it reinforces your argument. The woman at the end of the film introduces herself as Autumn. On the one hand, I feel like this was intended to illustrate how Tom has moved on and matured from Summer, but on the other hand it suggests that Tom is about to repeat the same relationship with a new girl. His relationship with Summer was just part of a larger pattern for him, one that he has no intention of breaking any time soon. Seasons change, but Tom never will.

@JosueOnYT 5 дней назад

"Death of the Author" is the conversation talking point that will nerd snipe me into oblivion.

@philiple4182 5 дней назад

God I hate when people beat to death the 'Death of the Author'. Disregarding authorial intent is *one* possible framework of literary analysis. Yea, you can do that. Just like you can consider that all creative works are necessarily informed by the time, place, and culture of the creator. Post-Structuralism isn't superior to New Historicism just because it has a quippy essay title you can read off the back of your hand.

@Fixti0n 5 дней назад

@@philiple4182 I personally interpret the "Death of the Author" that when a work is put out, all the meaning you need and can take with you is within the work itself. Not that the work was made in a vacuum, but that anything left out or put in is there for you to read into, but nothing more. Like how J.K Rowling likes to retcon anything on twitter, or how Disney is deflecting to other sources when they get caught in inconsistencies with Star Wars. Of corse an author is shaped by their environment, but a work should be seen by itself. Lord of the Rings is not a retelling of how it was in the Trenches during the war, even tho it largely shaped the books, you can take that into account if you wish, but if you want to read into or analyze the work, you dont need to.

@philiple4182 4 дня назад

@@Fixti0n Which is fine. You can interpret art through any framework you want. You can even claim New Criticism or Post Structuralism are the superior lenses! Just don't be surprised when you get pushback from New Historicists or Biographical Critics, for, you know, not subscribing to your pet literary theory. Because I'm certainly not going to pretend like people aren't using Death of the Author to blithely excuse still-living-piece-of-shit-creators-who-stand-to-materially-benefit-from-consumption-of-their-art.

@Fixti0n 4 дня назад

@@philiple4182 Hey, i may subscribe to the death of the author theory, but dont you dare lump me in with the Post Structuralists! That is taking it a step too far.

@mosquitopyjamas9048 4 дня назад

@@philiple4182you talking bout Harry Potter? I hear ye and if I had the heart I would try and reread the series with who JK has revealed herself to be, regardless of how deathly hollow her authorial voice has become. But I agree, I studied literature and people gave post-structuarlism and death of the Author WAAAAAY too much leeway.

@coolchameleon21 4 дня назад

yeah tom is a great caricature for the “nice guy” trope. he thinks he’s so soft and sensitive because he’s artsy and not your typical “macho man”. but in reality, he’s just as entitled and misogynistic as the macho men. how anyone could walk away from this film empathizing with tom is beyond me. he’s so transparent

@taylorbowser571 3 дня назад

I empathize with him a bit. I _do_ think it's a tad uncool to continue hooking up with someone when you know they have deeper feelings or expectations (even unrealistic ones) for how the relationship will turn out. If it's obvious a person is falling in love, don't sleep with them anymore. Set a boundary. Break it off. Otherwise you are allowing them to be self destructive, and that's cruel. That said, it's more stupid to hang onto someone after they've told you they don't want you like that. Like, come on. Have some respect for what they've said they're looking for, and have some respect for yourself and pursue someone who is actually interested. But I don't seem Tom as this misogynistic dickwad everyone else seems to. I just think he's willfully ignorant because he's so desperate for love. He sees what he wants to see. If he'd really looked at Summer more closely, he probably wouldn't have been all that interested. They're not actually compatible outside of their music taste. But he idealized her because of his own loneliness and desire for a romantic storybook ending. I've done that before, as have most young people. It's stupid and immature, but it's not hateful or prejudiced.

@coolchameleon21 3 дня назад

@@taylorbowser571 tom is definitely a misogynist. he literally calls summer the b word in the movie. he also does the typical thing misogynists do where he only thinks about what how a woman makes him feel or what she can do for him. he doesn’t love her, he loves the fantasy image of her that he made up in his head. he also gets incredibly whiny and angry at her constantly bc he’s a manchild who can’t take responsibility for his own actions. he’s mad because the fantasy version of summer he conjured up doesn’t exist, and he can’t stand that reality doesn’t match up with his delusions. he doesn’t know anything about summer beyond very surface level things, and he only cares about those things because 1. they service him in some way or 2. they’re things he’s also interested in. that’s the entire point of the movie. media literacy is dead

@taylorbowser571 3 дня назад

@@coolchameleon21 I mean, I hate to break it to you, but those really aren't gendered behaviors or examples of prejudice. It's simple selfishness and willful ignorance. Not every bad action is a reflection of some internal bias. Crappy, selfish women also ignore men's needs and see what they want to see. The movie could've easily been gender swapped, and the themes as intended would still be very much in tact. I do agree that the point of the movie is Tom's blindness and self-destructive selfishness born of his desperation. But I don't think that that makes anybody a misogynist. Wild take implying that b-tch is a slur. It must be genuinely exhausting seeing bigotry in everything that way.

@professormeow3399 2 дня назад

@@taylorbowser571 I hate to break it to you, but if the genders were swapped the movie would have been perceived and discussed way differently and everyone would be arguing what a b the selfish women is, again, as always.

@taylorbowser571 День назад

@@professormeow3399 are people not, for the most part, arguing that tom is extremely selfish and unsympathetic? you're kinda undermining yourself, there. even I, who do empathize with him, have been harsher on tom than summer. I honestly think that if the movie had been flipped, the opinion would mostly be that the hypothetical male "summer" character was a player and a manipulator, and that the hopeless romantic protagonist was naive but deserved better. audiences aren't exactly in favor of men who prefer casual hook-ups. and, really, we're primed to root for the protagonist regardless of who they are just because of narrative structure. though, with time, perceptions would've shifted in a similar way to what we see now. in my opinion the catalyst for shifting perceptions about the movie was less about a gradual change in discourse surrounding gender than discourse surrounding communication, especially regarding sex. 10-15 years ago, saying "I prefer to keep things casual" but continue going out with someone was seen as mixed messages. Now, the predominant idea in progressive spaces is that as long as you set a boundary verbally, your actions cannot actually undermine it and any confusion from others is them "not listening". And casual sex is way more accepted. for what it's worth, though I did say themes as intended, and not as interpreted. Obviously people are gonna bring their own gendered biases to anything they watch. On average, women root for Summer, and men root for Tom, because we champion who we can most easily relate to.

@TMMMMMMMMMMMT 4 дня назад

If the film is taken as summer being the villain, but critiqued as summer not being the villain, but even deeper-critiqued as the villain - then the whole thing reverts to a face value meaning, that summer is meant to be the villain, the manic pixie dream girl survives, and media literacy includes your gut instinct. This reminds me of Lolita, and the BRILLIANT video by Man Carrying Thing where he discusses by analysing the authors life and other works, Lolita transforms from a overt normalisation, to a clever critique of the issue, then all the way back to fetishisation.

@user-73a 18 часов назад

You villain didn't villain write villain the villain word villain enough. villain

@olandir 5 дней назад

I think this is a really valid position to have. I don't think there's anything wrong with having a character that has parts of your personality in your writing, but full-on self-insert characters are tricky because even if you have the best intentions, you can't write that character objectively, even if the character is well written. So you can potentially write a good self-insert, but that doesn't mean you fully understand how that self-insert is portrayed, because the hardest thing for a person to see, is himself. Everyone has a distorted view of themselves for better or worse. It's kind of how our recorded voice sounds weird to our own ears, even though that's what we sound like to everyone else.

@kyliecrawfishin 4 дня назад

wow this was great!! I have long heard the pop culture interpretation of 500 days of summer as a one-sided, unreliable narrator relationship, but i’ve never heard the context behind it and the writers decision to include his real ex in his bitter publishing pieces and marketing. the attitude he holds around this woman makes this entire movie cast in a completely different light. thank you!! great job!!

@ladydiamond6611 3 дня назад

One more time for the people in the back *he loves her, but he hates her for not loving him*

@user-73a 19 часов назад

@devonrule1412 4 дня назад

The reason why people say to write what you know is that when you draw on lived experience, you are bringing in all the little factors that shaped that experience, even the ones you're not aware of. As cringy as it is to see the "nice guy" telling his side of the story, drawing so heavily on his own life is what creates the little details that so effectively show Tom's self-centered perspective.

@AkaironoUnko День назад

A sequel movie would be "500m of summer" where Tom becomes an architect and made an "ugly and imposing" building then names it Summer. While he thought it was ugly, it would be loved by others for its uniqueness and innovativeness!

@kennethxu1789 5 дней назад

This movie is great not because it’s mature, but because it’s written from the perspective of an emotionally immature 25 year old with minimal understanding of romantic relationships. In tom’s vision, he is a protagonist that can do no wrong, trying to complete the hero’s journey. In our perspective, tom portrays summer’s faults without emphasizing his own. He makes her seem aloof, able to drop everything and play pretend. But from my own headcanon, summer’s only fault is not having a perspective. Maybe she tries to communicate her problems with Tom. Maybe she cried behind closed doors trying to make things work. Often times, the end of relationships are plagued with miscommunication and betrayal because one side tries their best to support the other and give the same amount, but ends up failing. And they don’t want to fail, they want to make things work and continue that honeymoon phase the other person seems to be in, but it’s not easy, especially with someone like tom, who’s overly romantic. It also makes it more difficult to communicate your emotions. In that situation, no one is at fault. Both people can’t communicate, both people are at fault, both people were unable to change for each other. Really wish someone would make that perspective, similar to the pair of movies Lost in Translation and Her. If so, the comparison would help put 500 days of summer into better context. Hate that this is a “revenge movie” but still think there’s some value, although my views have changed over time

@pinobluevogel6458 5 дней назад

This is a perspective I can relate to. It pierces through the painful issues the writer might have had to put this into the world and focuses on the important aspects that this movie is about. For a 'revenge piece', there are a surprising number of things that are relatable and real about this movie and this is exactly why it resonated with so many people. The hidden things that were pointed out as a main issue with the movie never really mattered, as nobody knew them. We could see the main protagonist's flaws, but that was about it. This 'narrative' about the writer has taken too much of a main focus and more or less distracts from all the great things this movie does show. Especially that this is a massive deviation from other movies, in that it shows actual young 18-28 yr old guys things they can learn from. The average romantic comedy is devoid of any realism and is precisely the thing that 'creates' misguided people like the protagonists of the main storyline, if they believe what is depicted in them is anywhere close to reality.

@janedoe3043 3 дня назад

This is legitimately one of the best movie videos essays I have ever seen. It's absolutely fantastic and completely recontectualized a very formative story for me. I think that everyone has the capacity to be an unreliable narrator of their own lives. It's probably the most common sin. I always think of the amazing lyrics by the band - The Silent Years - "Everyone wants a portrait of themselves, preferably cast in a favorable light." I think this man most likely wanted to make a story about how 'nice guys' get screwed by uncaring women and then will get a happy ending, as a way to try and convince himself. It's telling he was in a relationship, but not in a strong committed relationship during this fiasco. I think he did write a propaganda piece based on misogyny and the fallacy of the nice guy in order to try and make himself the hero. But a movie, being a collaborative art did a remarkable job of hiding it. But that illusion is shattered, but I think the movie is valuable if you can ignore the dissonance from that opening line and the fact you're no longer ignorant to the writers intent. Sometimes you paint a flower and it becomes a symbol of feminism because people see vagina. Sometimes a man makes a petty hate film and it goes down as a story about feminism for men. But the cracks will never be invisible again and I thank you for helping me learn something new about the world.

@carolynsgarden 3 дня назад

shared this movie with my crappy "friend" group in high school. They all hated Summer and praised Tom. I stopped sharing movies and trusting their judgment after that.

@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access 2 дня назад

Good call

@pingidjit 4 дня назад

This actually makes so much more sense. I was so confused why they would make this movie and then get upset that people (often men) got the wrong idea about it and hated not only Summer the character, but Zoey Deschanel the actress who played her. If you make a movie that is so unclear as to its message that 50% of the viewers leave thinking the exact opposite of the intention, you have failed. I am glad that there has been so much discussion after the fact about this movie to right the wrongs, but it does make way more sense that this was maybe the intention all along. That it was a revenge story. That the movie itself was revenge. That he wanted people to blame Summer. I hope that his 'corrections' after the fact were because he saw what was happening to Zoey and how no one else that worked on the film agreed with his interpretations. How toxic the people who agreed with him were. And maybe, just maybe, he finally realized that he actually was in the wrong.

@djangotur0910 5 дней назад

Maybe the film does such a good job of presenting the pov of a childish, slighted manchild cause cause he still was one. It took the reception of the film and the commentary of gordon-levitt for him to realize: ”shit. Im the asshole”.

@pinobluevogel6458 5 дней назад

Leave it to Joseph Gordon-Levitt to know his character better than the person the character is based on.

@karinalumen9722 5 дней назад

I think gordon was holding back, i knew boys who knew guys like this and they act like Gordon, they do not like guys like this he is the “nice guy” and not in a good way,

@mx5701 2 дня назад

@@pinobluevogel6458 Yeah cuz that's the easy part. JGL is an outside perspective. If you write your own stand-in, you automatically sympathize with him to a certain extent, trying to explain your actions. When someone LEARNS to be a character, they have much deeper insight. That's why (good) therapy works: It makes you take a look at yourself from the outside.

@pinobluevogel6458 День назад

@@mx5701 Sure. I'm just impressed by his dedication and craft.

@yosebean 3 дня назад

This completely changes my view of the conveniently chosen lines "I'm the hero of the story, don't need to be saved" in the Expectation v. Reality scene of the movie.

@yowsah1961 2 дня назад

"I will eviscerate you in fiction. Every pimple, every character flaw. I was naked for a day; you will be naked for eternity". - Geoff Chaucer, A KNIGHT'S TALE That's the thing with artistic types. Get on their bad side, and you may well find yourself immortalized in ways you really don't want. See "You're So Vain" by Carly Simon, "You Oughta Know" by Alanis Morrissette, and every other song by Beyonce and Taylor Swift.

@atlanta2076 5 дней назад

This is the reason I'm subscribed to your channel. I watched 500DoS when it dropped, and it reflected a failed relationship that I just had been going through. I love the part where you were like: «Why didn't the writer put in a "Sorry Jenny, I was wrong. No one is at fault here" at the end?» Nailed it. Absolutely nailed it!

@pinobluevogel6458 5 дней назад

The writer either believed he was wrong, when judging his own motives and morals along to the opinions of others that are more in line with generally accepted morals and human feelings, or he still doesn't believe that but only publicly says he does. If this stems from autistic traits in his personality or narcisstic ones, we can only speculate.

@amandaleebee98 3 дня назад

Tom didn’t ask about her. I feel like there’s alot of men like this, they’re interested in the relationship and what it means to their life whether it’s image, status, I got the pretty girl, and it’s sad because they don’t have many opportunities even sometimes or experience with women because women can be very picky. They finally get this opportunity with someone great and they’re so blinded by that that it ruins it all for them. They’re just ultimately infatuated with the idea of someone, they make up who they are in their head and treat them as such. These fictional stories dictate how they see them rather than actually getting to know the real girl. They see the real girl as an amalgamation of what they always thought love would feel like, look like, and be like when in reality this girl is just a person who wants to be seen for who she is. An ever changing unique individual. In his mind it’s her fault because what was so great she abandoned and ruined and she’s just reckless when in reality she saw it for what it was. She didn’t feel seen, valued or heard. Her likes dislikes, her past, her dreams, values and morals weren’t who he loved. He loved thinking he knew her when he didn’t as in his mind if he didn’t know the real her or what love could truly be then this must be it. He could never truly open his eyes to see that he didn’t treat her like anything special not like a soulmate, I’ve been there so many times in my life. Were the bad guy as the women for saying you know what, we don’t have that spark. I personally have found my spark with the love of my life and looking back everything before that was trying to be romantic, trying to be forced and I would always break it off when it felt they didn’t love me for me, see me for me, ask me about me. I want someone I truly can have a really good laugh with, and we could never run out of things to talk about, amazing banter, undeniable attraction all the things. Their relationship never progressed past that awkward being kind of silly stage because he never allowed it to. He was comfortable in this weird space between where they were special or soulmates but in his mind they were. That’s my interpretation and it’s really hard to describe but I would say a lot of young men do this due to their lack of experience dating and the fact that even if someone tells them they didn’t feel it, that spark or what have you that the men still blame the women and never move on. And they’re still resentful because in their head it was this amazing love and in ours it was just a fling with a selfish man that never went anywhere special

@syds.corner 4 дня назад

I went into this video hating Tom, and came out of it realizing that I am Tom (and i got issues to work on), hating the writer behind this movie that I had never thought about before, and finding a new channel to subscribe to. awesome analysis!!!

@ShirLibra 3 дня назад

I think this story is a a great example of how real life people will always be more complicated than the characters and the movies they write, and the gap between art and reality.

@marianav6213 5 дней назад

This guy should have his photo next to the urban dictionary definition of "Nice Guy"

@RosieSquall День назад

I love that Joseph completely understands and argues that the character he plays is a "nice guy": someone who is "nice" because he has an agenda, an endgame. He's not an inherently good person. He's good because it's convenient and he can get something from Summer out of it.

@poposterous236 5 дней назад

In a similar vein, I always felt like The Room is Tommy's revenge film and I really want to hear the other side of that story

@lubue5795 5 дней назад

Funny. One thing I appreciate so much about your videos is that they make perfect good sense and are easily understandable, even when I haven't seen the movie you talk about. Because you take the time to discuss tiny details and explain your points in depth using lots of examples, you bring a lot of information about the movie's general plot and characters across.

@dinosourkisses6425 5 дней назад

Oh my god, I just happen upon a new Sloan Stowe video seven minutes after it's posted :O I've really been enjoying your video essays by the way!

@1hcc994 4 дня назад

Growing up is realizing both are the problems and it all started at the bar they are telling each other they are not compatible but are going into a relationship that was destined to fail.

@littlebitaver 5 дней назад

I discovered your channel through your BoJack videos, and I just so happened to rewatch 500 Days of Summer last week. This is perfect timing! Your videos are great, keep going!

@LizzyThewolf 5 дней назад

This was a really great video. I learned so much about this movie and its production that I didn’t know. I feel like on some ways I can appreciate the story more and in other ways it infuriates me somehow even more than the initial watch did. My girlfriend and I watched 500 days of summer last year and it was both of our first times watching it. We ended the movie so upset because Tom was such a bad person… he called her a bitch before they met, he said he doesn’t like how other women dress provocative and said he liked how she (summer) dressed and she just responded “different people like different things” or something like that, and yet apparently we were supposed to leave the movie thinking there was no villian? I understand that people and relationship and stories are nuanced but it was especially frustrating since things were from Tom’s perspective. My girlfriend and I are lesbians and we saw it as another case of a “nice guy”

@pinobluevogel6458 5 дней назад

This movie clearly isn't meant for you. I mean, it can still give you something to think about, but if it doesn't leave you with some sense of wholefulness and hope, I think you are not the audience for this movie at all.

@LizzyThewolf 5 дней назад

@@pinobluevogel6458 I suppose not, I’m not a spiteful ex. but I am an average person that watches movies and you don’t always have to be the intended audience to enjoy a movie. I just personally didn’t find it enjoyable even though it was structured in an interesting way so I was just sharing my opinion since this video addresses some of the reasons I specifically didn’t enjoy it.

@pavel228 4 дня назад

@@pinobluevogel6458 Sorry, straight guy here: How could the movie leave you with hope, when you interpret it as Tom being the "problem"? It ends with him meeting autumn. If that isn't "I am the hero of a rom-com and this must be fate, this must be my "one"", I don't know what is.

@seeleunit2000 4 дня назад

Sounds like it. This sounds like the very mindset of a "nice guy." I can't stand "nice guys." I don't mind guys who are genuinely kind, but we both know "nice guys" aren't that.

@pinobluevogel6458 4 дня назад

@@LizzyThewolf Your opinion is not 'wrong' in any way. It is subjective wether you like a film or not, or a character in it or even parts of it. I was just baffled by how many people disliked the movie all of a sudden, despite it being seen as a really great movie when it came out and a real classic ever since.

@bac0nhawkmaster 4 дня назад

I've never really viewed this movie as having a hero or villain, to me this film is just a subjective look at a very real perspective some people have when viewing their relationships. I consider myself a hopeless romantic so its pretty easy to place myself inside the shoes of someone like Tom or Ted Mosey because I've tended towards a lot of the same trains of thought and over-romanticization of my life as they do in their artificial ones. Sure, the film may exaggerate some of the emotional aspects for drama but at its core there is a story of love and hope and loss and pain that many men and women can resonate with.

@BifolikaDesigns 3 дня назад

exactly, I know so many girls who fall in love with the potential that they imagine in their heads. This is very common. Let's humanize Tom

@TH2714 День назад

Yes! I don't understand the hate Tom's character gets. He fell in love with love and the feeling he thought it could give him. Summer chose not to act on her words and kept coming back to him. They are both to blame and very very not compatible.

@serenastueber7494 2 дня назад

That opening line is truly unhinged

@williamdixon-gk2sk 23 часа назад

It's also just a lesson that needs to be learned by all. Loving someone does not require them to return the same feelings.

@jossypoo 16 часов назад

This was beautifully put together and poignant. You did a wicked job of containing everything that makes this film something different than just a manic pixie movie or a sappy romcom. As a kid, had dated a girl that was hot and cold, and this movie helped me see that she wasnt that into me because I had idolized her instead of seeing who she was as a real human person.

@DapperMrAlex 3 дня назад

This was fan-fucking-tastic! He definitely gives nice guy vibes in his interviews. I think you nailed it about the subtext of his interviews and how his answers changed. I especially like the bit you found where JGL and the other writer were saying something different and then slowly dude's answered changed to match theirs, excellent research!

@TeagueChrystie 5 дней назад

You know what this reminds me of? Jenny's video about Escape From Tomorrowland. That cagey inc3l filmmaker.

@aksez2u 5 дней назад

It didn't remind me of that, but I like knowing exactly what you're talking about.

@NealaBeala 5 дней назад

Love this analysis and all of your other videos! I've always thought Tom fell into the whole "nice guy" toxic trope but i could never put my thoughts together. You speak so beautifully and clear!💕

@PropheticShadeZ 5 дней назад

I think the component that vexed you about that initial comment, is that with all the growth and change in the movie, the anger and hurt is always present. This is just so common with breakups. People hold so much emotion, and the outburst at the start reminds me of how hurt people lash out no matter how much they understand logically how these emotions arent the fault of the ex partner I just really hope that isnt her real name, its fiction for the love of god think out what happens when her mom sees it

@ahmedabdelgawad7360 5 дней назад

Finally another amazing video from Sloan Stowe 😍😍❤️❤️

@LeahSaraiva 4 дня назад

This is one of the very best analysis of this movie. Thank you for bringing it to us.

@blasphemous_hippie День назад

What an absolute trip this was. Thank you, Sloan, for providing so much nuance and insight into the story and its background. What seems like such a simple story at first glance is actually one that is multi-layered, complex, confusing, and polarizing when all of these layers are peeled back. I can understand the research for this movie must have been mind-boggling at times, so thank you! You did an excellent job!

@TeagueChrystie 5 дней назад

This is unbelievable. Fantastic work.

@sawrirocks 5 дней назад

Omg please do more of such videos! Really opened my mind to it, and loved the late reveal, kept me so enthralled

@mehulk53 2 дня назад

Every video on this channel is just quality from start to finish.

@jaminavestajugo3456 4 дня назад

I think it's interesting to think about how movies get "steered" by so many people who might have different intentions. The screenwriter had his own intentions at the time of writing. The director and leading actors had different ones, apparently. Except for the very last scene with Autumn, the perspective of the director and actors dominated my viewing experience. So I would say the script was the set-up for a revenge movie, but the final product feels like a critique of Nice Guys looking for their MPDG.

@phillipajenkins5706 3 дня назад

I haven't watched all of this but I can't help but see the parallels with Nabokov's Lolita. The narrator and the positioning of "truth" within the story with a liar and manipulator.

@Sobored14 4 дня назад

Im so glad i found this channel!! I absolutely love this kind of looking into a movie, not just retelling the story but actually giving us your opinion on it all. Seriously loved this video!

@breh9243 4 дня назад

This movie is VERY meta. In my opinion scott is a terrible person. Look how he calls Summer a degrading slur for women at the beginning of the movie. And then he made Zoe Deschanel say that really gross line about what they called her in college. He's very obvious despite himself.

@synystercola5227 4 дня назад

Finally had time to watch this. Had no idea what to expect, but I was excited none the less. Great video!

@zhylkos 2 дня назад

This is an exceptional video essay. No kidding, I've seen this movie more than 50 times. Only now do I feel like I understand it.

@Parkersnumberonefan 3 дня назад

I feel like it is universally accepted everyone in the movie are human. In the beginning she made it clear she wasn't looking for a relationship. He didn't listen and lied to himself hoping he could change her. I wouldn't say there is a classic villian in this story. People are human.

@Chibiknux 21 час назад

Anger could linger forever, but calling someone out in front of millions of ppl is not ok

@critiqueofthegothgf 17 часов назад

completely agree. I'm less concerned with the prospect of Scott still being salty after all these years and moreso the fact that he practically doxxed a woman in front of thousands/millions of people, multiple times

@beatm6948 5 дней назад

I lobe your analysis because you often put into words and references cohesively that may have bounced around in my brain.

@cinnabunvi 5 дней назад

wonderful video really shed some light and thoughts in the back of my mind on a rewatch of the film way back last year thank you for this

@ghoulishtunes6846 5 дней назад

Darling!! This was so lovely and insightful!! I listened while making a beautiful bowl of ramen, and I owe the coziness of it all to you

@lizfoster8066 5 дней назад

Commenting to support. Love your vids and I hope your fan base just keeps growing!

@etherealradar 4 дня назад

This essay is an instant classic! Well done!

@mosquitopyjamas9048 4 дня назад

Great vid Sloan. This film always interested me. I never loved nor hated it but it is a fascinating story and this vid kinda gave me an insight to what was past the veil. Kudos!

@Baguettezzz 3 дня назад

This made me consider that if the author is relevant to media analysis, then we should include both conscious intention and unconscious bias. Thanks for making me think!

@Truechildofgod 5 дней назад

I use to write stories and create short films. The writing process to the filming process and later the editing process were a creative minds playground. I often reinterpreted what I wrote and later changed it in the editing process. Yes it's possible to "misinterpret" your own writing because the process it takes to put it out to an audience you start to view it from different standpoints. 1. What story you want to convey as a writer 2. How you want it to be received by the audience 3. Watching/reading objectively to see if you would be entertained by it if someone else had written it.

@cakepopslingshot9181 5 дней назад

This was so well made and had very keen observations (made my lil ADHD heart so nourished). Any time I’ve rewatched this movie, Tom looks worse and worse. Very possessive, self involved and delusional. His biggest sin is his lack of listening. Summer was upfront about her views on love and completely incompatible with Tom. He didn’t offer her anything as a romantic partner except a whole lot of unrealistic expectations!

@audreyquinn73 2 дня назад

New subscriber here! Impressive analysis! TY for bringing up "Death of the Author." Can't wait to see more of your videos. ❤❤❤

@ParthPatel-ut4cx 15 часов назад

The brutal honesty of this movie took a lot of courage and that is admirable. Much like others I was not aware of how a simple shift in perception of a movie, that I watched a long time ago, could carry a completely different meaning. This is especially true for those that resonate with the hopeless romantic/nice guy archetype along with easily being conditioned to side with the protagonist. What I took away from this is that suffering has a way of making people "believe" that they are the protagonist of their own movie. I never considered anyone to be the villain of the story (unless it was self-inflicted) but if I was a judge and given the evidence you presented it'd be a case closed. Good work detective! After watching your Bojack video and now this one I'm definitely subscribing. Keep it up :D

@Alex_Zeugl 3 дня назад

Sloan, I love your interpretations and deep dives!

@Thatonetech-ik1bf 5 дней назад

Well done, well articulated, and well argued. I watched this movie years ago and was never, really, all that interested in it if I'm honest, but your analysis has made me curious enough to consider re-watching it. I'm afraid I come pretty late to the game of this depth of media analysis, but the lens(es?) through which you consider things is certainly interesting and entertaining, but also intriguing. Thank you for another video and another prompt to consider something vaguely philosophical. I look forward to the next.

@paigegabriel4735 5 дней назад

WOW this video is insanely good/introspective! Subscribed!!! Keep it up!

@Jake-wi1rw 5 дней назад

What an amazing video as always!

@shevanz1589 4 дня назад

any teens watching this with this idealised idea of what being an adult looks like in your 30s, im telling you right now, i recently turned 30 and there are very few people my age who are even remotely under what i would call "adult" most of them still behave like spoilt children but instead of growing into respectable adults, they just got better at being selfish Aholes. Do not ever think that anyone older than you is automaticlly more mature and better than you, always let their behaviour dictate the level of respect you should give.

@flayshon 3 дня назад

I haven't really watched the other movies/shows you covered in previous videos (other than bojack season 1), but I'll subscribe to the channel in the hopes future videos that might interest me are as good as this one. Incredible work!

@trollsearching8968 Час назад

This was good. Thank you for making this

@valleyofthedawlz 3 дня назад

This is legit one of my fav movies of all time. I love how they realistically portrayed relationships. Its not always thr guy gets the girl at the end or a happy ending. Those are boring. Give me something I can relate to.

@haveaniceday.productions 3 дня назад

Subscribed. Thanks so much for creating the deep dive and analysis I have always wanted to see about this movie! It's probably my favourite film, and that is partially because I walk away from every viewing of it with a different perspective of the narrative, the intention, its messages, etc. It's an endlessly fascinating movie to dissect and discuss, and I thoroughly enjoyed your thoughts on it! Brb, bingeing all of your videos 😊

@HateyaMiwok 2 дня назад

This is absolutely incredible

@pistachiostars 19 часов назад

This video is so validating. I felt like such an asshole watching this movie bc I couldn’t get over how I didn’t vibe with the message the movie was trying to tell me at all, even after telling myself it was supposed to be self aware

@smurfyday 4 дня назад

Another amazing, insightful review that breaks new grounds in how we see a movie.

@MrF3athers 5 дней назад

Great great Video! ❤❤❤ I was inevitably reminded of the „movie“ the wedding bride about Ted Mosby in How I met your mother. 😅 Great analysis really! ❤

@InvaderWeezle 4 дня назад

This is one of my all-time favorite movies. As someone who for a long time pretty much WAS Tom, this movie really helped me self-reflect

@lyupon7741 4 дня назад

sooooo...this film is basically Wedding Bride joke film from How I met your mother and Summer is Ted

@teagem23 23 часа назад

Fun fact, if you scroll to the comments of the op-ed Scott wrote, you’ll find a comment from a user named Jenny B! from London, left a decade ago, saying: “I just thought he was a bit of a nerd and far too serious about it all. I was just looking for fun, sorry, Scott. You need to move on.” Possibly a troll, but I thought it was funny that it was there lol.

@8singularity 5 дней назад

That was an incredible analysis. It's definitely on my watch list now.

@teagem23 2 дня назад

I always really loved the scene where Tom tells Summer, "I guess I'm not just anyone." I honestly consider it to be my favorite scene in the whole movie. It does such a good job showing how much Tom never really cares about Summer as a person. Mostly, it comes from the way the narrator speaks over what Summer says so we can't really hear her. I thought the movie did such a good job using the narrator here to place us in Tom's perspective. If we can't hear what Summer says, neither can Tom. Which makes the part where Summer says, "I've never told anyone that before," so impactful. She obviously told him something that she considers to be very important to her, and he doesn’t even acknowledge it. I always roll my eyes to the back of my head when Tom responds to her, making it about himself. I thought it was a great scene that support your point about the narrator being like an extension of Tom in a way. Hearing the writer talk about his interpretation of this scene is so interesting because the scene feels so intentional to me. I mean, of course, he isn’t the only one working on the movie. You have the actors, the director, the editor, the cinematographer, and so many others. They also played their roles in giving this scene its meaning, but I’m kinda shocked to see how he refutes other people’s interpretation of the scene. Like we really NEED to understand where Tom was coming from or something. But I thought it was so clear where he was coming from. And I have to say, when I recently showed my friend this movie for the first time, he had a similar interpretation, and I was surprised to hear it. After watching this scene, my friend let out an “ooooohhhh, I think I know where this movie is going.” He thought from this point on, it would be a movie about how Tom’s character teaches Summer how to love. Basically breaking her out of her “I don’t believe in love” point of view and allowing her to open up to love. It was interesting because before this point, he sorta saw through Tom, and by the end, he also felt like Tom was pretty delusional. He even cringed at when Tom said what he said in this scene. But, he still thinks Tom will get the girl in the end. I thought maybe his interpretation came from the fact that this movie presents as a typical romcom, so he expected a get-together ending despite the contradictory claims at the beginning of the movie. By the way, great video! Had be hooked from the beginning!! 🖤💜