5D Mark III + Magic Lantern In-Depth Tutorial 

I hope the video could help in your process. Any doubt don’t esitate to contact me.

@@fred_channel thanks for your support!

@@bern047 thank you so much !!!

Thank you !! I hope the video will help you to start with you camera .

Thank you!!

@@MercuriMedici my next video is just on this topic. A comparison between de 5D markIII and the EOS M. The 700D is identical to the EOSM regarding quality and functionalities. The only difference is the flip screen and the lens mount.

@@russo-filmmaking Awesome work as always, can't wait!

@@marthacolin4423 thanks!! I think there is a lot more to say. But this is a good starting point .

@@ThinkingAboutCameras thank you

Thanks for your question. All cameras with a CMOS sensor have rolling shutter, unless the camera has a global shutter. My statement remains confined to the world of Magic Lantern and pertains only to that world when we compare the different modes. The point I’m emphasizing is that rolling shutter on the 5DIII when filming in 3x3 mode in 16:9 or 3:2 isn’t really an issue, unlike in 1x3 or 1x1 modes. Yes, the rolling shutter is slow compared to higher-end cameras, but at the same time, it’s easily manageable.

The EOS 60D has an obsolete and old version of magic lantern, it doesn’t was developed has for the EOS M, EOS M2, 700D, 650D, 100D or 5D

Thanks!! In the movie tab prestes off and sellect also off under the ratio. Then in the raw tab select 4:3 under the aspect ratio and in resolution select 1776x1290. If you do this you’ll get a crop factor of x1.08. So I suggest to stay with 3:2 which hasn’t any crop factor and then crop in post to get 4:3.

@@fabriziogomez1705 thank you!! I’ll try to be more consistent with my videos

Tank you!

The larger resolution is 1920x1280 when you use 3:2. You can’t get more than that

@@ramxtreme check what sdr is set under the sd overlock, if it's sdr 50 or sdr 104. It would be sdr 104, I use this setting with my sandisk extreme pro. On the other hand I use the CF card as primary card which is faster than a Sd card

@@russo-filmmaking excellent, I’ll do that. I wanted to get the max speed with my sd cause I use “card spanning” so they combine the CF speed plus the sd speed! :)

Thanks!! Infact I struggled with this camera when I bought it because I didn’t find much information on the web. For this same reason I decided to make this tutorial.

@@FrogMotionStudios I own a EOSM, a 700D and the 5DIII. I'm gonna sell my 700D, I preffer to work with the EOSM over it. You can choose a EOSM because there are more lens options, with almost any type of mount; crop mood is very stabile on the EOSM and all the modes are in realtime. If you already own full frame lenses, then 5D is an excellent option.

​@@russo-filmmaking thank you for your response, i already own some EF/EFs lenses so if i bought an eos m i would have to buy an adapter. I also have a cage and batteries for the 600d, which also fit the 650/700d. So is the eos m really better than the 650/700d?

@@FrogMotionStudios EOSM and 700D are the same. In the EOSM you have the possibility to adapt almost any lens, and there are a lot of high quality lenses at very low price in the used market, while for the 700D the choice is limited. The 700D has a flip screen while the EOSM doesn’t. These are the only two factors you have to consider to make your decision. Check my video on EOSM vs 700D.

Thank you!!

14bit uncompressed will give only a few seconds of filming. 14 bit lossless has the same quality and takes less space

@@russo-filmmaking this changes everything 👌🏽 I’ve been doing everything uncompressed

try it, you’ll get more stability and continuos recording

Thanks!! I’m preparing a video comparison between the EOSM (which as the same behavior and quality of the 700D) and the 5DIII. Next week I’m going to drop the video so stay tuned. After it you will be able to take a decision.

You only have to format your SD card in your computer using exFat and then copy ML on it. After that you can install it on your camera

@@russo-filmmaking Thank you so much for the reply and helping a beginner like me. Appreciate you.

Es normal, Lo mimo me pasa. No te preocupes

@@russo-filmmaking te refieres al "beep"? porque te hice 3 preguntas diferentes, no se si te aparecen porque edité el comentario!, Gracias Sergio!

ha ok, perdón. Después de un tiempo sin usar la camera el obturador se cierra y eso es para ahorrar batería, Creo que puedes configurar el tiempo en el menu de la canon. Para que abra otra ves el obturador hay que presionar el pulsan star/button. “Camara was not shut cleanly” aparece cuando apagas la cámara mientras esta operando o cuando se atora y tienes que sacar la batería para reiniciarla. Cuando te aparece esa escrita, apaga otra ves la cámara y préndela otra vez. Nunca me ha pasado que se resetean los ajuste de fabrica. Por la tercera pregunta no sabria decirte, porque nunca me he encontrado en una situación como esa. Yo uso half-shutter para zoomar 10x y enfocar (desactivé el 5x y asigne la función 10X a lo shutter en la customizacion de los botones). El 5x es parte de algunos preset como el 3.3K y el 3.5K para que funcionen y cuando es parte del preset no lo puedes desactivar .

@@molagamer I don’t talked about dual iso because I tried it with the EOSM and I didn’t like it. So I never use the dual iso función. I achieve better results and a better quality in Davinci Resolve. Moreover I like to grade my clips in Raw which is far superior to any other compressed códec when make color grading . When you use dual ISO, to get some benefit out of this function you can’t export the MLV files as raw , you have to make your exposure adjustments in the MLV app and then export the clips as compressed files .

Okay, that sounds like a big disadvantage. Is it still an option though in the build of magic lantern that you used?

@@molagamer yes you can use it in the 5D with the Danne 1.2.3 ML build. The function is under the expo tab. When filming you’ll see in your display the image flickering. Then in MLV app you have to switch on the dual iso function . Other problem is that after exporting it from MLV a lot of times the image has some kind of aliasing flickering effect on some edge of the image

I’m sorry I don’t know the 5D Mark II, I don´t know the differences between the 5DIII and the 5DII with magic lantern installed. Sorry

@@russo-filmmaking no worries :) let the experiment begin 😂. Your channel is helping me a lot to discover this ML software on this old 5DMKii. Perhaps I’ll make a video about when I figure it out. Thanks again

Thank you!!!

Probably I’ll do a comparison between the 5D and the Blackagic 6k FF

@@russo-filmmaking That would be great!

I have a canon 6D and a BMPCC 6k Pro. If you put the raw file on the MLV APP you can get the arri-log profile on the video and it's very very similar to the blackmagic quality and color-science. Of course the resolution and DOF isn't the same 6k (APS-c) vs Full HD /FF), but it's impressive how it's similar in quality. I have just more noise on sahdow with the 6D and I can't push the sensor over 800 iso, but I shoot on 12bit becouse the 6D have a buffer memory very slow. The 5D mark III is better to perform full hd 14bit with arri-log on MLV APP.

I'll tell you right now. Image quality is very close but just buy a pocket 4K if you want a properly functioning cinema camera that works out of the box. Doing all of these hack on the eos M and Mark III is fun but the money you save is lost on convoluted workflow and reliability issues. Again, I own both the Mark III/EOS M with magic lantern and have shot with the pocket 4K for several years. The canon cameras are for fun projects with nothing serious on the line.

Sure you can. What I do is to switch the camera to foto mode. Then hold/press the set button and at the same time turn on the camera. At this point you can use the 5D as it was intended with its original menu, To activate the viewfinder you have to press the start/off button , If you want to return to magic lantern you have to turn off the camera, switch to movie mode and turn on the camera normally.

​@@russo-filmmakingthank you so much. And how can I record normal video in MOV format.

@@atulpurty2715 the same I describe above. Only switch to video mode

@@atulpurty2715 You can turn off RAW Recording.

thanks for watching!!

yes the EOSM can only shoot at 1756x979 1.6x crop, it’s not a real 1080P. The 5DIII can shoot in 1920x1080 with no crop.

@@russo-filmmakingguess I’ll have to invest in the 5D mkiii then😂

@@Lostinthemoors Wait, I’ll do a comparison between the EOSM and the 5D, then you’ll decide.

@@russo-filmmaking I'm sure there's pros and cons for both.

Your CF card is a sandisk extreme pro? Do you use card spanning using both CF and SD cards?

@@russo-filmmaking Yes it is extreme pro. 64. I follow all your settings. Other 1080P settings are working but anamorphic preset is not working.

​@@russo-filmmakingDuring recording it is giving a green signal but frames are dropping. Missing frames are there in exported video.

@@atulpurty2715 but the question is: are you using card spanning using the CF and the SD card ta the same time? If you don’t you ‘ll get problems. And if you use the two cards when you import the files into MLV app, are you doing it with the correct procedure?

@@russo-filmmaking Yes I am using the CF and the SD Card both and recording with the Card Spanning option. How to import the files in MLV, which is recorded with Card Spanning option? Is there any specific video on that?

gracias!!

If you upload there is no problem. But downgrade from 1.3.6 to 1.1.3 or 1.2.3 is possible only with this method ( you can use only one card as I do, or if you have to cards the process is faster because you can change from one card to the other quickly when the firmware actualization start without extract the battery)

@@russo-filmmaking I saw a video from other person like two years ago using the EOS utility

ok, I saw a video on how to downgrade with the EOS utility too. But when I tried to use that method the firmware didn't downgrade so I looked for other options

The ideal is open gate 3:2 14bit which with the Blazar nero adapter will give you a final 2.25:1 aspect ratio. For a wide view you can use 14bit 1080/16:9 or for slow motion 1080/16:9/45FPS, which will give you a final aspect ratio 2.66:1 which you could crop to a more classical 2.39:1 in post. I’ll do a video on the EOSm and 5D paired with the blazer nero 1.5X

Amazing. Thanks

@@dance.science you’re welcome

I seem to have a different version of magic lantern. I am using the one that does MLV 2. Which version are you using ? Huge thanks again

@@dance.science sorry what do you means for MLV 2? Latest version of the MLV app is the v1.14. If you refer to the Magic Lantern version I use on the canon 5DIII, I said it in the video in the first part: it’s the latest Danne version for 1.2.3 firmware and I put the link in the description too.

Correct. In 1x3 modes 5D as the correct framing but live view is choppy. When filming live view is grayscale but enough smooth. It’s not ideal but I can work with it. I’ll do a comparison between the 1x3 modes in the eoM and the 5DIII to see if some difference in the image quality

I’ll do a comparison between the EOS M and the 5DIII to see if there are important difference a part from the sensor size

​@@russo-filmmaking I would love it. I have both cameras but since your crop mood Eos M videos I allways ended up using the Eos M because its size. This may change after this video.

@@marmoterorebelde I’ll do a comparison between the 5D and the EOSM to see the differences.

Thank you for watching !!

@@alfredorussogomez6454 thank you!!

Video is public on RU-vid, why you need it downloadable?

@@russo-filmmaking easy for offline watching

@@vireakcambodia5172 I’m sure there are a few apps to download RU-vid videos for free. Google "RU-vid Video Downloader” and a few options will appears. Thanks!!

Sure the 5S is a better camera compared to the 5DIII. Unfortunately I don’t have a 5S . Probably I’ll do a comparison between the BlackMagic 6K FF and the 5D. Even with a big difference in dynamic range video noise and resolution, If well handle during shootings and in post, the 5D can delivery impressive results.

@MeOrNotMeWhoKnows you should get a hand of both S5 and 5D3. Compare ML RAW and other camera's 10-bit LOG yourself AND share with us your own experience and 2 cents. We will be much appreciated. Calling and criticizing other users's ML videos garbage is harsh. Do you even use ML and graded with its 14bit colors?

@@wilkiek9988 I'm not a youtuber, why would I spend so much time and money doing comparison if I'm not into content creation? Sergio is a content creator, and Magic Lantern is pretty much the theme of this channel, it's the niche he chose here, so it only makes sense to suggest an idea for a comparison video to someone that makes those public videos. And the comment about most ML RAW videos on youtube being complete crap is also part of the suggestion, that there's an opportunity here to actually make something useful since most of the ML RAW stuff on youtube is not particularly useful. I did play with quite a few 14-bit ML RAW videos from APS-C cameras - EOS-M and 650D. And I wasn't impressed. High bit depth doesn't matter if the data itself is poor. It's like taking a blurry slow shutter handheld photo with a 100 MP camera and praising the high resolution - who cares about those 100 million pixels if they're all just blurry mess? That's one of the main problems with ML RAW cultists, and why I suggested the comparison video idea to Sergio - too many folks just keep raving about "14-bit magic colors" without understanding that it's just a file format, a way to store pixels, and it's often more important what the sensor + lens captured, rather than how many bits the file can support. Cause I get better video from 10-bit LOG Panasonic G9 (the older, original G9 from 2018) than from 14-bit EOS-M. The G9 sensor just captures better data - larger DR, less noise, and higher resolution. And 10 bits in LOG format is enough for even pretty heavy grading. At least with Crop Mood APS-C cameras I couldn't find any advantages compared to 10-bit LOG from MFT. What's the point of 14 bits of data if the data is just mediocre to begin with, if it's low DR, low res and noisy? I don't have any experience with 5D3, so maybe it's noticeably better, hence my suggestion to Sergio to do a comparison video, and actually show if a camera like 5D3 makes sense in 2024. Literally get it head to head against a 10-bit LOG body, shoot a few typical scenes (sunrise/sunset, mid day sunny, mid day overcast, indoors good light and indoors low light), and then work with files in DaVinci/Premiere, do typical color grades and actually show whether those "magical" 14-bit ML RAW files are any better than 10-bit LOG. I'm guessing that in some scenarios (very heavy grading) 14-bit 5D3 might actually win, and in most (typical grades) it will lose, but it's just a guess, and maybe I'm wrong here. I'm not sure whether comparison between 5D3 and BlackMagic 6K FF would be particularly useful though, since that's not what most people looking at 5D3 are concerned with. Those who think about spending $500-600 on 5D3 probably want to see how it compares to somewhat similarly priced cameras in ~ $500-1000 range, rather than $2.5k BlackMagic 6K FF. And those thinking about buying a BlackMagic 6K FF camera most certainly have the budget to look for a ton of alternatives in that price range, as well as workflow requirements (since it's pro-level bodies, thus paid work most likely), so 5D3 is not on their radar at all.

I use Panasonic mostly, Blackmagic occasionally. Panasonic from GH5 onwards is great no question about it. There’s still something about ML footage more than any other can thar resembles photochemical film which is why I keep coming back to it despite the obstacles over the past 10yrs. It has improved substantially in that time too. I picked up a 5D3 in great condition for a low price last year solely for ML. I will note a GH5 with a 0.64x speedbooster will take much better photos. Thank you Sergio for another great video 👍🏼

@@MeOrNotMeWhoKnows As I said I only own a BM 6k FF and a BM 4K and can’t invest in other cameras for comparison, I can use only the one I own. I already did a comparison between the EOS M and the BM 4k. They can be matched easily. I think that bitrate data are not important if the final results are high end. What matter is not the camera but how you use it. So if for example the 5D Mark III could be matched to the BM 6K FF which is a fair superior camera, it means that the 5D even with all its bitrate limitations could be easily matched with other aps-c cameras under de $1000 budget. I’m a analog film aficionado so I honestly don’t mind about bitrate or ultra sharp images, I mainly look to the character, colors and look that a camera can delivery

I love my Canon cameras with ML. I own a BMPCC 4k and a BMCC 6K FF. When I have to shoot something that gives me a cinematic look ( I also film in real 16mm) I prefer ML over Blackmagic. I never had problems with ML and if you know how to use it, it’s very stable.

You compare a $1449 iphone to a free software hack ! Apple`s Ai has you brainwashed. ML is Easy Peasy with a little homework.