6 Cartridges Better than 6.5 Creedmoor 

Yep. The 308 is a great round. The .30-06 is slightly better, but I haven’t found a reasonably priced AR .30-06 platform.

@@stinkbean1but what about 300wm, but what about 300prc. It’s always so hard to hear these debates without any tactical considerations. Why was 308 so popular for so long and still popular? Tactical considerations, same with the rise of 6.5c. 30-06 belongs in a bolt or a mounted machine gun, not in a lightweight semiautomatic.

.270 .308 6.5 are all very close. Wouldn't know the difference if they weren't labeled

@@stinkbean1bear creek arsenal hunt master

@@BS-tm6xq when your vision was still good you could tell at least which one was the .308

I agree

My most-used cartridge. Love it.

Everyone wants the new 'cool kids' cartridge... 6.5 is the cool number now, whether it is the C or the PRC. 7mm-08 is equivalent to the C and 270 Win in equivalent to the PRC. The older cartridges will kill anything the new ones will. It's 99% MARKETING... a pitch to make people think they need to buy new guns to replace/augment what they already have. lol

tbh its overrated its basically just a 308 but way faster way too fast at that

Have a 6.5 Creedmoor and a 7mm-08. Like them both. Don’t shoot my 7mm-08 much anymore because the ammo is hard to find and when I can it’s expensive.

Ditto. It's just a shame the ammo options don't get the attention that .308 and 6.5 get.

He deff has marriage issues

With the more modern projectiles the bcs are getting better for it but at the end of the day it isn't bcs that kill the deer it's energy upon impact

I'm a 270 Win guy, but it's really hard to argue with the aught 6. I mean, you can sometimes find ammo for it in a freaking gas station!

There are a multitude of excellent cartridges from 6mm/.243 to .338/8/9mm range that have averaged to ‘exceptional’ paper ballistic numbers. The 6mm Remington was birthed before the .243 and never really took off in the same popularity; however, even in the 1950’s era of green/yellow box off the shelf core lokt ammo it has way better ballistics than the .243 or the 6CrdMr. It has a cult following and you pretty much have to reload for it, but it’s out there. I grew up on a pre-64 M70 ‘06, so I am very partial to it, the range of bullet sizes and uses for it is remarkable and yes, you can pretty much find it anywhere in the world. The Hornady 165gr SST load is hands down precise accurate and drops deer where they stand. It wouldn’t be my first choice to intentionally go after dangerous game, but if it was what I had in my hand at the moment, I know it is adequate. I was kind of surprised he didn’t include the 6.5x55 Swede, which worldwide has probably taken more game than the ‘06 or the ubiquitous .30-30. .257 Roberts, though I have no personal experience with it, is legendary on deer sized game, but good luck finding it on the shelf these days. 7x57 is also a great deer cartridge, but again, you need to reload for it to get the best performance out of it. That’s just my .02 cents worth on it.

Right on! Especially if you just hunt deer at normal hunting distances. .30-06 really cannot be beat if that's the case!

@@teammosin9999 if all you want is deer at 100 yds, I'd favor a 30-30..... a LOT lighter to carry my model 94 trapper than a "real" hunting rifle. And if a bear charges, I'll get 3 or 4 rounds into him before he eats me!! 🤣🤣🤣

Yes, it's also lower pressure, so throats and barrel bores last longer. 6.5 swede is a beauty.

The Swedes knew what they were doing back then when they settled on the 6.5 caliber. They were way ahead of their time.

Yep. Karamojo Bell used the 7X57 Mauser to kill elephants. He would shoot one and when it went down he would run and jump up on it to gain higher ground to shoot another one. He killed way more elephants than one man should ever be aloud to.

@@life_of_riley88 I'm working on some 6.5x55 brass with this video in the background. The creedmoor might be good but it is so in vogue to have one that there's no way I would.

@@pigtailbbq1982 You sound a lot like me. My wife always says: "You just can't have something that everyone else has, can you? It's always gotta be unique!" She's right, and I could probably not own a 6.5 creedmoor unless it falls outta favor.

I bought my model 70 Winchester in 270 in the early 1980s. It is hard to beat I had a shoulder replacement a few years ago. I still shoot my 270 without any problems. It is still fun to shoot and kills game. Without killing me.😂

The 308 is a great cartridge for Africa as well. I took a wildebeest, impala, blesbok, kudu, and zebra with a 308 and had zero problems.

Mines for sale now, just to consolidate calibers, but I used it on 4 deer and an antelope hunt here in WY. Great, lightweight, handy little rifle with a 18" barrel. 400 is right at the end but still satisfactory for deer and antelope, potentially elk with the right bullet and conditions. And it's undeniable in terms of ammo availability in my area over the last few years

Hello from Canada, .308!does it all up here Elk,Moose, Deer, Bear,!Bison all for pennies for what the 6.5CM rounds cost. And 6.5 extremely uncommon to find in Canada, .308 everywhere

I did also. Have a 300 norma for. Super long range. But 308 for hunting. Main reasons. Ammo availability and can run subsonic ammo. Saves getting a 300 blackout as well. It's a good proven cartridge

I did the same this year. Savage ultralite in 308. Ammo availability and ammo prices were a huge factor for me. I own several other rifles in various cartridges but the 308 does almost everything well.

Same here and I have no reason to change.

I'm similar, 30-06 / 300 WM, love my 300, aThumper!

you r right! benchmark barrels did a test a few years ago and found the 7 08 gave the best bang for the buck. esp in short barrels, ie 20 inches or less. in short barrels even the magnums don't do do better.

The 7mm-08 does really do much better than .308 in hunting. Which is why it’s not that popular. It’s popular most in comp. and even then it’s really only used in silhouette.

Have one wish It was more popular

Perplexed as well that the 7mm-08 doesn't get the factory ammo love it should?#@! Low recoil, good stopping power for Elk sized game. A no brainer!

The 7mm08 was the 6.5 Creedmoor before the 6.5 Creedmoor was…itself. If you know what I mean.

30-06 can be a zippy relatively low recoil cartridge. Or it can throw a large sizzling hunk of hate downrange with a different load. There's so much ammo available, and if you reload the options are nearly endless.

Horia 30-30 and 30/06? In the USA that would have been The same two favorites until about 1970.

@@SlavicCelery Yes, and very versatile indeed. In relatively dense forests 30-30 is the king I think.

I have a 356 Winchester lever for the dense timber. Hard to find the ammo. Can't beat a 30-06 with a 180 gr Nosler Partition. These two will be around long after the others have faded away.

I don't even have a hunting 06 (unless you count my Garand or 1903 Springfield) and I agree with you! I use a .308 to hunt with.

Everyone has different priorties when choosing a cartridge, and so everyone will have different favorites, but I'm solid with you on the .270. I think it has the perfect sweet spot if hunting is in your list of priorities. For a fun gun instead of hunting, I'll take 6.5CR or even 5.56

​@@davidjones8942 I grabbed a howa mini action in 7.62x39 for my "fun gun", 22inch barrel, howa guarantees sub-moa accuracy (With hornady black), I've got some bulk serbian brass cased stuff that was 40cent/rnd and has shot 1.5moa consistently, its ballistically similar to a 30-30, the list just goes on. 270 win is my go for deer but that little howa is great fun and great on coyotes

.270 for the win 🏆 tried and true. Also 7mm rem mag although a tiny bit newer round and a little more recoil both are good choices.

@Mike Rayle I was shocked how close the ballistics between 7mm mag & .270 are (139gr for the 7mm & 129gr for .270 both Barnes LRX bullets). While 7mm mag is a great round, I just can't justify the extra cost, recoil, and barrel wear for such a tiny ballistic advantage.

270 Win completely outclasses the 6.5 Creedmore when hunting. No comparison.

Yes, 6.5x55 been used to kill elk, deer and germans in Norway. Everything dies when u hit it with 6.5x55

@@deltanovember9621 Paper ballistics aren't all that great, but real world hunting ballistics are pretty darn impressive. And over generations.

I absolutely love my Gustav m96. Luvo arms in Czech Republic makes an AR platform 6.5x55. I want one sooo bad. I'd take a ljungman m42 pretty quick too. There's just something special about the round. Kinda tricky finding ammo sometimes and a little pricy for good ammo. I really like the Hornaday sst.

I have a 6.5 Swede myself, built it on a FN Mauser action, in a Walnut Thumb hole stock. barrel is a Krieger target profile with 5R rifling. also have an M38 Husqvarna, and an M94 carbine. Hard to beat a Swede.

Yep. My go to deer rifle for the past 45 years has been a 1917 Carl Gustav 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser! Got it from my dad. He restocked it with a roll-over cheekpiece Wooden Stock in the 60's. Still has an old 4x Weaver Scope. Thinking about getting me a 6.5 Creedmoor so I can replace the Mauser. If I ever need anything bigger, I figure a .338 Lapua will do the job! 😁

That's what I use for whitetail. 130 gr Swift Scirocco II at 2,860 fps muzzle in a shorter-weight Savage M11 rifle & Leupold VX5-HD 3-15x scope with a CDS turret for that load. Sweet. Just a fantastic whitetail cartridge. Grim death on varmints as well. Bad news in NY, however. We cannot buy "mail order" ammo any longer. So the .260 Rem is dead unless you are a reloader (happily, I am).

I also prefer the 260rem over 6.5 Creedmoor

love it! in south africa it has a huge following!

@@allanbaker659 I hope platforms like these give more info and coverage on the 260rem as it is such a good cartridge

260 REM a great cartridge. Too bad it was ahead of it’s time and didn’t know it.

I've shot 3 Moose (2 cows, 1 Bull) and countless Elk, a few deer with my M1 Garand 30-06.

America has most always been a .30 caliber Nation. For good reason. Variety is nice, is spice, but it can sometimes be distracting. .30-06 is a formula developed a long time ago that hit most all the right features.

I worked in an ammo loading facility as an ammo loader for a few years and we have a custom load we made up for someone for 6.5 creedmoor with a 140 grain Berger vld at 2900fps and 2613.83 ft pounds that intrigued me so I snagged a few boxes That I still have with the specs on. We pressure tested them in a test barrel and the pressures were on the real high end of max saami specs but still we’re safe and checked the primers for signs of over pressuring and we never found any signs and fired them out of multiple guns with no issues. So it’s doable to be slightly higher with a creedmoor but that’s probably the max I would ever see someone push it. I’m not positive on the powder we used for it but I wanna say possibly h4350 but the round was for a bolt action that we had the magazine specs for so we were able to load the case with close to max powder capacity and seat the projectile enough to make sure it would still feed and fire safely. But I believe sierras game changer load is 2950 fps in a 130 grain which my buddy has taken a few black bear with. I believe the rounds more versatile than people think but it’s definitely not gonna have the high energy like a win mag for big game. People still use em for coyotes, deer, black bear, occasionally I’ve seen em used on elk but that’s probably the only things I’d use one for but I typically deer hunt. Still find myself using my 270 or 30/06 for em though, only picked up a creedmoor because it’s what we loaded the most of and I got good discounts on on the ammo that was scratched and scuffed up that qc didn’t pass😂

@@ajkubik3588 that’s a good load. Any idea on the grains in that? My brother in law and I are getting some 6.5’s

One thing about the 708 is it's perfect for North America.. it's a rifle you can hand to anyone and send them out after deer, elk, moose. And not be afraid of the recoil hurting them. Yes it can be fun to see a grown man cry from the recoil of a 300 win. But not very nice

Agree.

@@markgalyen38 couldn’t have said it better!

Spot on!

yup, the 6.5x55 Swede. Is essentially the same thing ballistically as the super cool 6.5CM, it just figured it out 100 years ago. In a strong 💪🏽 modern action and good handloads it’s way faster than the CM and right up there with the 6.5PRC

I completely agree, the WW2 Era Swedish Mauser had it right the first time.

This was one of the cartridges that I thought I'd see in the video but after a short research it turns out, it never made it's way to US in that scale as we see it in Europe.

Bang on. I have a Swede on a Tikka 695 and it's still a tack driver despite its age and the large number of rounds it has fired.

@@Alhu90 just wait and see.....soon the 6.5x55 will conquer the US too. I'm a massive fan of 7.92x57 and the .338 Lapua Magnum. BUT....if I was to spend a whole day on the range with targets from 100-500 meters (109-546 yards for those stuck in the middle ages ;) ) my pick will always be 6.5x55.

Sooo prefer my 7mm over a .300 win mag! WAY less recoil, much nicer to shoot in a "standard" rifle.

I second this great hunting or Target rifle lots of ammo available priced Right 7mm rem mag all day long

@@billyboy861 I dunno who, but some survey put the 7mm rem at the top. They are all fun to play with. Many good tools will do the job in practiced hands.

I love my .308. Glad I went with it over other rounds I was considering.

It's really good for most people, that's why it's the NATO round. 😉

And you barrel will last a whole lot longer as well

If I could only one, it would have to be a 308, for all the obvious reasons.

Well, it looks like there is at least 13 of us 25-06 guys. 😂 I’ve been using mine since the early 90’s. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised with the numbers when compared to the 6.5 Creedmoor

25-06 is just awesome.

@@r3tr0sp3ct3r 100% agree.

@@r3tr0sp3ct3r 120gr in 7mm-08 is right there with them as well.

@@r3tr0sp3ct3r My brother shoots an 06, and he absolutely loves the 150s in it. I think NBT are all he shoots in it. I'm not sure he's even tried anything else. Haha.

hard to beat the 7 08. barnes ttsx combo!

Have 7mm08 savage hunt woodchucks with 110 grain hollow points, deer with 140grain. I find it a very versatile cartridge

I love my 25-06 as well. Over the last 14 years of hunting with it I've taken deer, coyote, and prairie dogs with it. It's an extremely versatile cartridge that packs a punch.

Placement is everything, I've cleanly taken many moose/elk with mine purchased in 1983, I think.

2506 was my choice when looking for a cartridge in this category love how flat shooting it is and it hammers eight tails

You can always order a case of 200 25-06. No problem for me, and I live in Australia.

If you reload, you can punch the 250 savage out to the Ackley improved version and get fairly close to 3000fps with 100grn bullets.

Check out hendershots custom ammunition, they have lots of load choices for the .250 savage. I use alot of their ammo and absolutely love em

Meh, after 20 years I sold mine. Now I just shoot the 6.5, it does everything the long action 25-06 can do……just better.

25.06 is by far my favorite coyote round

@@danhouser8472 i coyote hunt a lot with the 204 ruger with 32 grainers and it smokes em

Even better, in my opinion, is the 6.5mm-06.

I would take a 25-06 over a 6.5 any day I have killed deer over 400 yards with them and the 6,5 CM out at 250 yards and 150 yards I have had to shoot the deer 3 times with a 143 gr ELDX. Sad that they don't have a bullet that gets the job done yet, I am yet to find the right bullet for deer in the 6.5 CM . Does anyone know what bullet in the 6.5 will do a pass threw and leave a blood trail I am all ears. Thanks.

Why not .224 Valkyrie then?

Same can be said for the 308. It's better than both for larger game. 6.5 creed does have slightly better trajectory but not enough to matter at hunting ranges.

6.5cm is better for long range shooting. Better as in a minor margin. 7mm 08 is superior in a shorter barrel.

I know it sounds like cap cause I’m saying it on the internet but I got an elk at 500 yards with the cartridge it went through the shoulder and didn’t make it through the other side of the rib cage but certainly did the job

@@42N8_1 I have, though I am a reloader, so I don't really care as long as I have components.

Lol, but no ammo!

@@bulldogsofeastvan5647 I have plenty of ammo for mine. 🤷‍♂

You just described the 6.5 creedmoor! lol 😂

I often wonder what O'Connor would've thought of the .270 WSM.

Jack liked the bullet weight options and load data for the .280 Remington better than the .270W after it had come out. He literally recommended it to those building a rifle in the 50’, 60’s and 70’s until his death in 1978. He was a gifted writer and my childhood was spent reading of his hunting adventures in Outdoor Life.

Gunblue490 loves his!

I love my 760 pump..300 savage hasn't let me down

I have a Remington 722 in 300 savage it will out shoot any rifle on the shelf good for any size game

limited options on bullet weights but luckily it doesn't really matter because what is offered just works.

Aside from having more recoil which shouldn't be a problem. I think the 243 is a better round and for the price you can't beat them

Doing cougar season this year with .243. I've had a heck of a time finding boxes locally. 6.5 Creedmore is everywhere. I haven't seen 6.5x55 here in a year and a half though, it's killing me.

@@leviwarren6222I found one box of 243 rounds last year and haven’t seen a box since.

@@Chris-ip8pz dude, I know! Finally for a shipment in at Scheels but that was quite the dry spell. As soon as I locate my range finder, I'm taking the rifle out in this -3 weather to make sure we're still zeroed. Good luck with the search!

250 and under 243 is perfect killed a hell of a lot of deer with them it’s a good starter round for kids too. Never had a deer go more than 25 yards after being shot.

And I don’t need to buy a new rifle to match the cartridge! 270 Win wins!

No long, high BC projectiles for you and your 270 without a custom chamber.

I love my 270 but think 6.5 PRC is the better option. They just don’t build many 270’s with a fast twist barrel to utilize the heavy bullets. I agree with a broke 7mag also. Muzzle brakes are the game changer. Get more thwack with less recoil. If we’re being honest they’re all splitting hairs really.

270 is the one to rile them all, especially for hunting. If it happens to be a Model 70, bonus.

7×57 Mauser, I would put mine against any .270. Don't get me wrong I love the .270 also, I have beautifully engraved .270 with set triggers, push button drop plate magna ported you name it. But 7×57 with 139 grain Norma's I have taken the head off of Grouse at 100 yard's off hand. The Swarovski 4×12 doesn't hurt but, you get what I mean. It WAS a Mauser Action K98 framed 8mm.

In the 1960s and '70s you could always tell who shot the .270 Win by their three eyebrows. Any brand rifle, plus a short eye relief 4x or 6x Weaver scope, and the recoil/rise of the .270 would cut an eyebrow. Therefore .270 shooters had a right, mid, and left eyebrow.

100% true and correct👍😀🤠‼‼

100% agree. I love my 7mm-08.

the 270 Win surpasses the 7mm-08 in terms of ballistic performance at all ranges when comparing similar bullet weights.

Love my 7mm08 but thinking maybe it's hard to beat 280AI in terms of combining external and terminal ballistics with reasonble recoil.

I always liked the .270. Do I need another rifle of another caliber? And now I need to buy another caliber bullet,? No, but I still want one..lol.

Yup I’ve been loading 7 mm 08 a while very effective even the 110 for yotes out the vls wind and drop is manageable and 120/130 s for whitetail 43.0 varget one hole it’s only 125 fps behind the .270 my first elk was w a 140 in .270 but at 64 I like the 7 mm08 very efficient and effective drops deer like now drt

If you like both of those chamberings, you should also like the .284 Winchester cartridge which has ballistics like the .270 Winchester in a short action like the 7mm-08 Remington !! !!

@@kurtwpg 280AI is a 7mm Mag. Identical performance.

Me too

Love mine too. Used my 270 exclusively for 20 years or so, but I updated to the 6.8 western because it was the "prettier twin"

@@ringofasho7721 I bought mine in 1980 and haven't found anything that would replace it. Ain't too many moose, elk, or bear in Louisiana, so I don't need anything bigger.

@@errolthibodaux I hear ya. I live within 30 minutes of Ruston so deer and pigs is all I shoot, but I hunt a pipeline and wanted to shoot out to 600 comfortably. That extra 20 grain weight on 6.8 really gives them big boars the business. Slightly off topic but you seen any black bears where you're at yet?

@@ringofasho7721 I'm south of New Orleans, but I range out a bit. I can't remember the last bear sighting they've had around here. Some claim that they've been spotted in Honey Island swamp again, but I haven't seen any sign of them. It's strictly deer, pigs, and coyote.

You can get the best of both by using the 7mm-08 Remington, which has better ballistics then either out to at least 500 yards while having less recoil than .308 Winchester !! !!

.308 is the better choice for most [IMO]...more availability/common ammo ,less expensive , time tested & proven results ! Like you I also own both calibers but my .308 see's FAR MORE use at the range and during hunting season than the 6.5 or my .300 blackout !

Your listening to one person's point of view... I have all the rifles this man is talking about.. love my ceedmoor the most!

Why yes you are. =)

@@bertbirge3617 Depends on the use. If you want to shoot up to 1,000 yards, sure, go with the Creedmoor. But the .270 outperforms the 6.5 at hunting ranges (and the .308 and many others, as well).

Two great cartridges for sure 👍

Why stop at 2? I have 15 and still feel like there's a bunch of gaps to fill 😂

Sounds like the downloaded 7RM is your fave. Id like to recommend the 280 Remington or perhaps the 280 AI.

@@ronlowney4700 True, but you can run more weight with the 7.

My dad swears by his 25-06 I’ve seen him make some amazing shots

@@ronlowney4700 there isn’t a 212gr .277 bullet on earth, or a barrel that could stabilize it. And I’d be surprised if you could hit 2000fps.

@@ronlowney4700 I don’t see a single 0.277 projectile on Buffalo bore’s website. Mind sharing the link?

Couldn't agree more. I own both of those cartridges the 257 Roberts is my favorite.

agree

I love the 257 Roberts!

Only problem is finding a rifle to shoot it and a modern loading available off the shelf

@@sauerkrautjr google is your friend. I have a 6.5x55. I run it mild, because barrel life and South Africa. But with slow propellant and 62 000psi it is magic

@@Adrian-zm2uh probably a good deal more available in South Africa than in the US. It's a pretty niche and expensive cartridge in the states, and for my needs the Creedmoor does just fine. If I need more oomph it's a lot easier for me go upgrade to .270 or .30-06 than 6.5 Swede. I'm sure it's great and I have nothing against it, but selection is really poor where I live

@@sauerkrautjr to be honest, my 30-06 does all the hard work. Kudu, eland, black wildebeest

6.5 swede has taken elephants.

6.5 is 4 ladies

Good find ammo anywhere until Joe Biden became president. I’d say lol but it ain’t funny.

Yes I stay with 7,62x51 NATO .for the same reason Ammo......

You're not wrong

Add 270 Winchester to your list and I’ll agree with you.

I've reloaded and shot hundreds upon hundreds of .308 over the years. The Hornady 165 sst is a firm favorite for hunting these days.

I have both and 6.5 Creedmoor is much better once you get out further. .308 has quite a bit of drop when you get into the 500m+. I love my SIG 716 DMR in .308 you can’t miss, but its just an expensive Vault Queen for now, just like my Daniel Defense MK18. I have a nice Savage TR10 LE in a Cadex Field Chassis in .308 that shoots nice. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor in a Magpul Chassis that shoots great. I think I might pick up a SIG Cross in 6.5 Creedmoor. It’s a nice Rifle. Then I have my accurate Sledgehammer, the Sako TRG42 in .338LM, but I’m only shooting that at 1000m+ because it’s $10/Round so that means going out on a special Trip. I have some very nice .22LR’s that are cheap to shoot and can be a blast trying to stretch them out at the Range.

@@Len_M. What a hero you are.

@@Len_M.litterally nobody asked you or cares what type of guns you have or what chassis they are on. 😂

yup

I wouldn't have one. The 30-06 and .308 have almost the same elevation characteristics and better knock down. I used a .270 for years and wouldn't buy another one.

@@dallasbeus2117 the .270 smacks on .308 n with that statement you’ve lost all credibility

@@ChiquitaSpeaks That's why the.308 is one of the most popular cartridge if not the most popular in the world! The.270 is the most overrated cartridge in the world.

Yep. Seems like that to me. I took a moose from 320 yards, he dropped like a wet bag of cement. Then that night the darn porcupines were into the feed for the cattle, bagged it at 10 yds

This guy never even mentioned the 6.5 Swedish Mauser. Hand loaders can out perform the 6.5 Creedmoor AND, unlike the 6.5 Creedmoor, the 6.5 Swedish Mauser is a proven elk and moose size game getter. It has been Europe's favorite Scandinavian moose cartridge for generations, like the 30-06 is here in the United States. Scandinavian moose rival the Maine, Canadian, and Alaskan moose in size. There, in Europe, the 6.5 Swedish Mauser is commercially loaded hotter than here in the U.S.A. but that has been changing with more hotter loads available.

I've been hunting deer with a .270 since I started hunting, its made some outstanding kills for me and I couldn't be happier with how it performs

@@happyhankjr I’ve killed 3 elk with a 6.5 Creedmoore. They didn’t complain one bit it wasn’t a Mauser. 🤷‍♂️. Who knew? 🤷‍♂️

Yessir, the .270 is the only one I've considered replacing my 30-06 with when I finally shoot out the barrel, and I agree, except regarding ammo price & availability, the ol' 30-06 still rules in that dept. and makes it a tough choice between the two.

Honestly in the ranges, and animal types, most people hunt; 308 will get it done.

I picture a .308 with cheerleaders and fans around you. You jumping up and down with glee waving a .308 flag yelling "Go .308 go .308"

@@Physics072 what you shooting??

@@SlavicCelery 308 is one out of 3 different cal. Is a just about do it all round besides moose and Kodiak grizzly

@@rodneyporter93 How many people are proactively hunting Moose and Kodiaks? I only say that because I said "most" on purpose. I'm not facing down a moose without something bringing God's wrath on earth. But that's just me. *locks and loads some .50BMG to take down a moose*

I think we're both in the same group. I'm not liking the sharp recoil of the 308 when shooting the bigger bullets you need for tougher game. Not fun shooting it off a bench either. The 270 and 260 are much better, and even the 6.8 Western. At my age, recoil has become a limiter.