1. Rockerverb 50 Mk2 2. TH30 Twin Channel 3. Dual Terror 4. Tiny Terror 5. AD30 Twin Channel 6. 1976 OR80 Guitars: 2010 Gibson Les Paul Black Beauty and 1973 Fender Stratocaster. Recorded with M160 BeyerDynamic Ribbons.
+Johan Segeborn, I'm going to start saving for one. Great comparisons Johan. I dont just watch for the information but I also listen for the amazing tones you create.
I can't freaking believe how good those th30's sound...I used to overlook them because they didn't cost alot....alot of the clips I've heard have me damn close to pulling the trigger on one...I play everything from 80's John Sykes stuff to modern metal...the th30 seems to cover all that w/out pedals
I had one. It was the best all around amp I ever had and it did Fender cleans/blues tones better than Fender. The clean channel was a real wonder on that amp.
As I wrote the comment below on an iPad, I couldn't see the video, only hear it. But every time I heard a sample that really caught my ear, I scrolled up, and every time it was the OR80.
I have watched a lot of your videos the last couple of days ...You are a great player,,love your rock style...You have played some of the nicest marshalls I have ever heard..Lucky man..
i've owned both a rockerverb and a TH100. Both are great amps, but TH100 is my favorite (a bit cheaper too). you can sweeten up your tone by running an EH Parametric EQ thru your effects loop.
Thank you Johan for the shootout. I own all of these except for the Dual-Terror. And all the custom-shop model. Custom-shops are in a different class. Of these I like RVerb a lot, especially v3. I like a TH30 combo more then the 50W head (or 100W) head. I have 2 iterations of the AD30 and the later version is better for some reason, but its a Clean Vox/Selmer type of thing. Not very versatile. Of the Terrors I like the HW Tiny Terror for cleaner tone and the Jim Root. OR80 is a different beast and like in this vid it breaks up earlier, making it good for edge-of-breakup or classic rock, not clean or heavy. The video doesnt do it justice as it is a very punchy amp (as a custom-shops, Rocker-verbs and the the bigger TH)Maybe its because of the speakers used
BTW Johan, what do you think about your Custom without maple top? Did you compare it with Custom with maple top? If so what the difference do you think? I'd like to buy Custom to my R7 Refin and R7 Junior in the future but I'm so impressed with your R7 Custom even when it was with Burstbuckers that I'm not sure what Custom I want.
It's very much up to the individual guitar. Maple top Vs Mahogany top is important for the acoustical sound of the guitar. It's almost neglible to the plugged in sound though I'm afraid. Primarily the neck and the fretboard determines the sound. My Custom was selected by a prominent Guitar player among hundreds of guitars. You know if you tap the wood that will be turned into a neck, different frequencies will resonate att different locations of the neck. Then you want the resonances of the neck not to interfer with each frettted note of the string along the fretboard, but you want the resonances of the neck to expand your tone. So for each given location of the neck you want resonant frequencies that are close to that of the corresponding frettted note but not exactly the same. So, pick the one that plays the best. Cheers Johan
The Rockerverb 50 sounds awesome. The rest... something missing, they sound flat and muddy in comparison. Would be great if you could throw the Rockerverb into one of your Marshall shootouts to see how it sounds against Plexi's, JMP's, JCM's!
Unfortunately, I like the 70’s OR80 most of the time. Unless I’m mistaken, it sounds like the power tubes are really being pushed into clipping nicely.
Kul Johan! Helgen är aldrig fullbordad utan dina nya videos. Jag köpte i veckan en Orange OR15h-top. Kan du inte göra något kul med en sådan någon gång? Tex vs. DSL15h och liknande?
My computer is melted..........gimme Orange crunch all day. Surprising more famous strat players who don't use the tremelo haven't gone hardtail...such a distinctive strat tone. Johan gets it here for sure. Hardtail strats can deliver tele tone a tremelo strat can't and more sweet tones in between. Good stuff.
Mr Jonah Segeborn, this is a great demo. I would like to ask you wich amp do YOU like the most excluding the vintage OR80, which I assume is your baby. I am concidering the th30 for myself, I would like your opinion on that. How would you compare to the rockeverb 50 in terms of loudness, tone (clean, crunch, distortion) and headroom? Which one is warmer (i.e. more mid focused). I like from very clean bluesy tones, to 60s led zeppelin crunch, to high gain tones that have this mixture of modern gain with classic warmth to them. Do you think the th30 is suitable for such tasks? I would really appreciate your feedback.
+Myself6M Thanks! I think both the TH30 and the Rockerverb would work great. To me the TH30 had a more nasal Marshall like tone. The most important factor is the speakers, so get the cheapest one and get a cab with T1217 Greenbacks, instead of the V30 cab. Cheers Johan
BTW, I was wondering for the 50 watt rockerverb, which is what I am planning to get together with 212 cab, what would be a higher powered alternative to the Green back you would suggest. As a 212 Greenbacks cabhas a wattage limit very close to the max output of the amp. Would you suggest Creambakcs M or H? or maybe there is another alternative?
Johan Segeborn It might seem like exhuming an old topic but I discovered this video only now. Your channel is fantastic! Very informative and amazingly presented. I have always been interested in vintage gear but being able to check out and compare on your channel is pure heaven and paradise!!! I would like to know your thoughts about using a G12H30 in an open back cabinet: do you think it would sound good as well? I have a Dr Z cabinet and am planning to buy a G12H Heritage 75 Hz to put it in there for my tiny terror. I would really very much appreciate your effort if you could make a statement. Until then: Greetings from Germany and keep on rocking!!!
I have to say that the tiny terror sounds like the winner here. ad30 2nd. 1970s third. The other two not even worth mentioning. That simple circuit seems to let a lot of magic through. There is certainly a different total emphasis which might not be for everybody but there must be some magic to the very simple short circuit path. There is a good video comparing it to the OR15 and I even feel like it wins there too. Ever so slightly. Awesome as always Johan.
The OR80 wins by far, so much deeper and more organic than the rest, the rockerverb wasn't that bad at all, the rest i found quite thin and mushy, especially the Dual Terror
You are living the fantasy of so many guitar players. the access you have to great gear is staggering! oh the vicarious thrills! these amps sound great
Why do I always think the old amps have that little extra dimension that makes them a bit better? Do they actually, or do I just want to believe they do? Whatever, the OR80 sounded best to me.
+Steve Folkes Hi Steve, I agree. It's probably mostly about the transformers but also the sag of the imperfect old components that is difficult to reproduce today. Cheers Johan
I have the Crush 20 as a practice amp and love the tone considering it's an 8. But listening to the vintage amps you can really hear the reason Orange became so famous, it's that rich dark tone. Just beautiful. The newer amps all sound amazing as well, but there's that old classic sound that I love. Your amazing playing and soft touch really shine through on these amps!! :)
The TH30 is definitely the most modern sounding. Not nearly as forward sounding as the other amps. I guess that would suit it slightly better as a rhythm amp. I personally prefer either the AD30 or the OR80. The OR is definitely a lot warmer sounding. Great demo, Johan! :)
Johann, this video raised my interest for the vintage Orange amps (first well miked clip of non-doom-metal-riffs with this style of amp! :D ), one came up for a good deal and now i am a happy mid 70's OR120 owner. I am a big fan of the Marshall JTM 45/100 and i was quite shocked, how close this amp can be set up to that Marshall model - mindblowing. And besides that, this is the single most versatile amp i've ever played - extremely clever and effective controls - you can simulate a Marshall/BF Fender/VOX tone quite easily with it. Hiwatt would be a very distinctive tone that this thing can't approach, but anything with reasonable amount of compression is doable.
I use the Orange Bass Terror 500W...What a monster...and I use it for everything-blues, rock, folk, country, metal...sadly it's been discontinued. I love your channel. Cheers.
The best kept secret in the guitar amp world - the main timbral and sound character differences lie in cabinets used, not so much in the amp model/schematic.
comming back to this awesome video something I love about orange maybe it's that Vox sound that everyone says is doubled in a orange any way magical sound....
I'd really like to see more of these "how to get classic tones with modern and off the shelf gear", like the fender deluxe shootout or this, although the speakers here isn't off the shelf exactly :P keep up the good work!
From the new Orange amps, only the AD 30 and the tiny terror have the "famous" post PI master volume! The new Rockerverb mkIII and the Dual Dark a have a so called attenuator, wich is the oldschool PPIMV , and makes a big improvment to sound!
At this level of distortion, the character starts to show through. The Rockerverb and TH, with pre-phase-inverter master volumes and negative feedback in their power sections, can at times have Marshall-like clarity. The OR, AD, and Terrors have post-phase-inverter master volumes and don't seem to have negative feedback, and are thicker in their mids. I could be misunderstanding the schematics, though.
Nice comparison. The TH30 sounded good. I own the OR80 and can get all the sounds with the master gain I installed. I also have original British tubes. If I were to buy a new Orange it would be the TH30.
OR80 Sounds amazing! I kind of felt that they went in ascending order of how good they sounded with the Rockerverb sounding the worst and the OR80 sounding the best, although the TH30 had some nice clean and in-between sounds.
+Johan Segeborn i want to Upgrade from a Tiny Terror to a TH30. Do you think it worths the investiment? it looks like the clean channel is as great as the crunch
The OR80 felt rather dark, but it has real character still. Great video, as always! I've owned a Rocker 30, Dual Terror, Micro Terror and currently own an OR15. I think an OR50 or OR80 will be the next conquest 🤔
You kidding? This comparison is not fare. You can take all these 5 amps and sell them to buy one 76' OR80. Be cause OR80 is the REAL vintage sound of Orange! Any where you want from Led Zeppelin to Iron Maiden.
Love it like always! Thank you again for all your efforts and meticulousness. The differences between the amps are not too big and they get even lesser from amp to amp to amp in this comparison. The vintage one does the job in every scenario! Most power but enough bite and well rounded!
I own a th30 and dont care for dirty with my strat but love it for my les paul. I too was impressed with his strat sounds gonna have to get in there and twist some knobs.
it is like a great big pile of tangerine's innit hahahahaha no seriously thank you for all the hard work time and trouble for doing this and making our amp choosing life so much easier than it could be !!
That OR80 is Awesome! I have an OR 15, and a Tiny Terror. I have to admit I just got them because I got them both for so cheap I felt like I was stealing, but hey, I paid their asking price. I had a Rockerverb mk1, and just didn't bond with it. The clean channel just wouldn't cut it for me. I love the OR 15 though! I think it's one of the best bargains for a crunchy amp you can find. I got mine for $300 in mint condition, which I know isn't normal, but I see them used in good condition. for $4-450 all the time. It's much more useful than the terror because of the 3 band EQ, but the terror is a fun amp, just don't expect to get clean tones above bedroom volume! Thanks for all your videos. I just discovered a few days ago, and I'm going back watching them all. The Plexi vids blew my mind!
Johan everyone who watches your demo's thinks you are the luckiest man alive! And everyone who picks up a guitar say THANKS!!! Keep'm coming Johan! Also thanks for bringing out the mocha strat :) The Vintage Orange seemed more forward, warmer and slightly more mid focused. A little less of that on the other amps, most notable on the rockerverb. And everyone's ears are slightly different.
Could you please showcase in another video the build quality of orange amps? They are heavy. But for a reason. Mainly build quality in my mind. And maybe as a fun fact. All the different colours Orange was once sold....
hey man, now i am confused... i was planning to take th30 instead of tiny terror... but when i heard the cleans of tiny terror, it made me think again. which one do you think is better between th30 and tiny terror? i'll be using 212 open back and a bunch of pedals. l play rock, alternative, some reggae, punk and ska... thanks in advance. nice video. nice or80
Very Good! More similar than different, and in this case, that is a good thing. Right now I'm using a 1x12 Tiny Terror combo, and I don't think there's a rock guitar tone that isn't in that thing! More clean headroom would be nice, but I knew what I was getting when I bought a 15 watt amp.
Definitely all from the same family. The vintage and the TH30 Twin seem to have the most body. That being said, I feel like I'd be very happy with the Tiny Terror. THANKS JOHAN!!
Hi Johan, thanks for the excellent video man. I've just subscribed, and look forward to seeing what else you've been up to! As for the amps, the reason I found you is that I'm researching the AD30 right now and was pleased to see that it (and the Rockerverb) were the stand outs in this video. The '76 is cool as well, but I'm not chasing one of those.
+Awesome2ThePowerOfSick I was thinking that for the price difference of these amps, it was surprising to hear that the Tiny Terror could hold its own with the amps that cost 2 to 3 times (perhaps 4 times) as much.
Johan what are your top 3 favorites here? Do you like the feel of the rectifier in the ad30? There seems to be something magic in that amp from your recording. Great stuff. Thanks.
Great video as always !! You should try the OR15 too, one of the best low watt amp, better than the tiny (more vintage) and with some tubes variations you can have all kind of great sound (12ay7 in V1 and 5781 in V2)
Too bad you didn't throw a micro terror in there, just for fun. A pretty good sounding amp but it's too loud for a bedroom and too quiet for a band which is the only thing that makes it shit. But otherwise I really liked the AD30, I don't know why, there's just something about it.
great comparison. i prefer the tone of the OR80 by far. would be interesting to hear the modern or50 reissue against the vintage or80. thanks for the demo!
I always find that Orange amps sound good alone, but with the band they seem to have a strange brightness or some harsh frequencies over the top of the tone that I can't get rid of. As a Marshall guy, I'm trying to like Orange, but I find myself trying to make my Oranges sound like my Marshalls, and they just can't capture the same tone and feel. Strange thing is I only notice this when I play them myself, not when watching/listening to others. I'd like to get my hands on a vintage Orange, because I have a similar feeling about modern Marshalls as well.. The OR80 sounded interesting! AD30 my favorite. Great video as always! Cheers!
